• Re: confirmation/validation? absolutely! - new book review

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, November 26, 2021 16:38:05
    From: slider@anashram.com

    new (much tougher) plus in-depth book review just out, that's not quite as gushing as others (gives it only 4 outta 5 stars for example, aww) but is nevertheless professionally done by an apparently very experienced OBE-er
    & harsh reviewer whose critiqued dozens of similar works + who, in the
    final analysis, although slightly biased actually seems to rate it...

    cool :)

    https://obeoutlook.blogspot.com/2021/11/the-wild-way-to-lucid-dreaming.html?fbclid=IwAR0FoLwrukpgrE0328ejDWamREVbzA0CL2ApkM0WbKNFuIh6HFZChtHLej4

    Bob Peterson review 23 November 2021, posted to the obe & astral
    projection facebook group with 6.7k members:

    The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming

    by Slider

    Today I'm reviewing The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming: Waking. Induced.
    Lucid. Dreaming. Lucid Dreaming On Demand by Slider. The copyright is 2016.

    I normally don't focus on Lucid Dreaming books. After all, I've still got plenty of astral projection and out-of-body books in my library to hold my attention. But this book intrigued me, so I had to buy it and read it.

    Who is "Slider?" I don't know, but maybe the pen name was taken from the 1995-2000 television show, Sliders, in which a small group of people
    travel or "slide" from dimension to dimension, finding adventures and
    trying to find their way back home to "our" dimension. Sounds about right.

    We all know a lucid dream is a dream in which you're conscious and
    completely aware that you're dreaming. It's also a convenient jump-off
    point to out-of-body experiences, and therefore isn't out of place in my
    blog. If you already know how to induce lucid dreams, click on this link
    for an article I wrote about converting lucid dreams into OBEs.

    If you're still learning to induce lucid dreams, you should know there are basically two approaches: DILD (Dream Induced Lucid Dreams) and WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dreams).

    With DILD you condition yourself and alter your habits so you more easily discover when you're dreaming, by doing reality checks ("Am I dreaming?"), reminders, mnemonics, flashing light masks, and other tricks of the trade.

    This book is entirely about the WILD approach to lucid dreaming, which is
    to induce a lucid dream from the onset of sleep: you consciously choose to
    go into the dream, starting from full consciousness and ending up in a
    lucid dream.

    The book is broken into several parts.

    Part 1 is "Theory" which is just the basics: what lucid dreaming is,
    degrees of lucidity, why should we do it, etc. Unfortunately, I found this section somewhat repetitive or tedious. Slider repeats over and over how
    WILD is superior to DILD. After all, DILD takes a lot of time and training
    to be any good at it, it's hit-or-miss and you have less control. The
    larger dreaming community seems to think that WILDs are much harder than
    DILDs, but Silder disagrees. He claims WILDs are easier to learn, you can
    enter into the lucid dream with your full waking memories, and you have
    much more control. But he seems to harp on it just a little. I admire his enthusiasm but by the end of the section I was getting impatient and ready
    for some real substance. This section takes up roughly a third of the book.

    Part 2 is "Practice" and this is where the book gets interesting. This is
    where Slider explains how to induce a WILD. The first chapter of this
    section is titled "Hypnagogia: The Key to WILDs." His technique is very
    similar to the out-of-body technique that I favor, and have taught. This
    is what makes it relevant to out-of-body experiences. It's so important
    I'll quote the book:

    "All one really has to do in order to start lucid dreaming, is to learn to recognise the stages of falling asleep, find this hypnagogia on the way
    into it and then treat these hypnagogic images in a very particular way. Ultimately, it is through hypnagogia that one actually enters into an
    altered state at all and lucid dreaming in particular...when you want to
    lucid dream, then all you do is to watch that same [hypnagogic] movie show again, only this time treating those hypnagogic images by examining their detail in a particular way.
    This conscious act of examining a hypnagogic image's finer detail is the
    very thing that finally beckons one right into a lucid dream. One is
    somehow bodily zoomed in, or rather, pulled into the image itself
    resulting in dreams in which one is already awake. Not examining the
    details of those images while just letting yourself drift as usual results
    in one eventually nodding-off and having very ordinary, non-lucid
    dreams... and really that's all there is to it. A simple choice!" (pg.
    60-61)

    By the way, this is really the only "WILD" lucid dreaming technique Slider
    has in the book. Elsewhere he gives some advice for inducing DILDs, but he plainly states that it's not his focus and there are better books on
    DILDing.

    Compare this to my favorite OBE technique
    Now in my favorite out-of-body technique, for example, the one I teach in
    this blog article, I recommend the following:

    At some point you will see/hear [hypnagogic] imagery.
    Do not get drawn into them.
    Do not take interest in them.
    Do not pretend "What if" with them.
    Maintain conscious awareness.
    Take control of an image.
    Move the object or spin the object.
    Elsewhere I've also said:

    At this point the hypnagogic image is likely to dissolve or vanish.
    When that happens, just wait patiently for another to appear, then do the
    same: take ownership of the image. Tell yourself, "This is my object." Hypnagogic images at the onset of sleep are more likely to dissolve, but
    as you get further into sleep, they should become more stable, realistic, life-like, and longer-lasting.
    If a hypnagogic image is too big or complex to move, spin, or manipulate,
    like a soccer stadium packed with people, just take ownership of it and
    watch it passively until it disappears, and in a few seconds, the next one
    will appear.
    In my OBE technique, I imagine a strong force like gravity pulling me
    toward the object and out of my body.

    So what's the difference?
    Slider's WILD technique is indeed very similar to my OBE technique,
    although IMHO he doesn't describe it in enough detail. In Slider's
    technique, examining the hypnagogic image draws you into the lucid dream
    state. Apparently you merge with the hypnagogic imagery and it becomes a
    lucid dream. In my technique, the hypnagogic imagery is simply used as a
    device to draw you away from the body. Or as I wrote elsewhere, to
    "derail" your in-the-body "story of experience." You are not sucked into
    the hypnagogic image, its dream elements, its dream setting or its dream
    story. You just feel a blur of motion, then usually all motion stops
    suddenly and you find yourself lying inside your physical body, fully
    conscious and aware, but separate from it. This is usually when the
    vibrations come sweeping through your body.

    Other advice
    Slider also offers some sound advice that applies to both WILDs and OBEs.
    For example, he says to relax completely and tweak your body's position to
    find a state of complete relaxation, then it's important to not move again.

    Here's another sound piece of advice:

    "Once you've reached this floating feeling of relaxation, the next step is
    to absolutely and deliberately turn your attention completely away from
    all any sensations of the body altogether, totally ignoring them. Having
    served their purpose they are no longer important. Peer instead at the
    blank dark screen you can see just behind your closed eyes. Don't move at
    all and hang onto that feeling of lightness or floating and stare at the darkness that's right there in front of your face until you begin to
    notice the odd blob or streak of colour appearing and disappearing at
    random." (pg. 65-66)

    And later:

    "Watching these really clear images for any length of time (a marvelous experience though it is) always leads to falling away into normal sleep.
    On the other hand, if you instead stare at one of them and attempt to
    examine the finer details of it, something very strange happens; the
    sensation of what can only really be described as a kind of "zooming-in"
    -- and then you'll suddenly find yourself in a lucid dreaming state." (pg.
    69)

    He also says that his technique leads to lucid dreaming "daily."

    Levels of Lucidity
    The book has an interesting section in which he describes several levels
    of lucidity. In each level, lucidity seems to be more difficult to
    maintain.

    In the first level, the only person in the dream will be you and you alone.
    In the second level, you may see some people but usually don't interact
    with them.
    At level three, lucidity drifts in and out in waves, but you still know
    that you're dreaming. You can forget what you were doing and find yourself drifting off into daydreams, then coming back again.
    Level four is a "full lucid dreaming scenario" where anything can happen. Slider hesitates to call this level 5. He prefers to call it "level zero".
    In terms of awareness, it seems to be a middle-ground between waking and dreaming.
    One chapter is devoted to changing dreams. Many lucid dreamers insist you
    can consciously manipulate the contents of a lucid dream. Lucid dream
    expert Robert Waggoner points out this is often not the case: lucid dreams often have a mind of their own and defy attempts to change them. Slider
    insists lucid dreams are easy to manipulate. If you want to fly, just jump
    up and fly. For what it's worth, I can usually manipulate my experience in lucid dreams.

    Part 3 is "Advanced Techniques"

    I was enthralled by this chapter because Slider brings up some very
    interesting observations. For example:

    Recommended body position
    Most authors of astral projection and out-of-body books insist that lying
    on your back is the most effective position. Slider recommends inducing
    WILDs while lying on your left side. He notes several qualitative
    differences with other positions, with left-side dreamers having more
    control and stability. He writes:

    "Anyway, with left-sided dreams one is apparently very much in control of
    the dreaming situation from the outset, with the option of changing
    dreams. Everything from the left side in dreaming is smooth, thus making
    it the perfect starting off position for newbies to have their very first, real, full lucid dream. In left-sided lucid dreams you feel fully awake
    and aware and every respect, which gives you time to manipulate your next
    moves judiciously and put into action any experiments you may have had in mind." (pg. 111)

    Contrast that to right-sided lucid dreams:

    "While sleeping on the right side, the dreams seem to change all by
    themselves without any warning or choice on the dreamer's part. Do nothing other than observe in a right-sided dream and you will find yourself going
    (or hopping) from one lucid dream to another in quick succession....
    In right-sided dreams, by contrast, the dreams themselves are far more complicated. You'll be presented with a series of often novel and very compelling dreaming situations that almost force you to interact with
    them. Lucidity is still full, as is full waking memory, but in these
    dreams there's no real volition as to what you'll be dreaming about or the situation you will find yourself in. Furthermore, the dreams themselves
    tend to change from one situation to another very quickly without giving
    the dreamer any time to adjust as you barely have time to get used to one
    novel dream scenario before being hurled off into another." (pg. 112-113)

    Slider also has some interesting observations about how sleep is a
    necessary part of life. For example, you can have severe problems if
    you're denied the dreaming phase of sleep. What about lucid dreams? He
    says that lucid dreams are even more refreshing than ordinary dreams. He
    comes back feeling very energized. In fact he says:

    "This brings us to another noteworthy point; that another emerging but undeniable fact about lucid dreaming is that even the slightest contact
    with the lucid dreaming state results in what can only be called a
    thorough refreshing of whatever it is that makes us feel tired in the
    first place. If actively a mere forty-five or ninety minutes of 'lucid' dreaming is noticeably more physically restoring than a whole night's
    worth of ordinary sleep and dreams." (pg. 129)

    Contrast that to many OBE authors who insist that OBEs require a great
    deal of energy, and they come back feeling drained. Full disclosure: OBEs
    have always left me energized.

    So are OBEs just Wake Induced Lucid Dreams?
    Slider addresses this question directly. He joins the swelling ranks of
    experts like Robert Waggoner who insist OBEs and Lucid Dreams are not the
    same thing, as Stephen LaBerge once wrote. Slider writes:

    "This [astral projection / out-of-body experiences] is something
    completely different to lucid dreaming, although at times it does indeed
    feel like you have been from your body in the sense that, with WILDs you
    can still feel your body lying down in bed whilst still dreaming." (pg.
    147)

    I liked this book. I'm not entirely sure why, but I really liked it.

    On the down side, the book doesn't really say much: it only gives one
    concrete technique for inducing lucid dreams, and almost no lucid dream narratives to indicate the author's level of experience. Still, it was
    honest and tidy. It talks about the lucid dream in very concrete and
    relatable ways. On the up side, it's honest and no-nonsense.

    The book is 159 pages, with a small footprint, but the tight font and
    close margins compensate to give you a satisfying amount of material. The writing starts a little immature, but by the end of the book he comes off
    as both knowledgeable and sophisticated.

    I'll give the book 4 stars out of 5.

    ***

    ### - "I liked this book. I'm not entirely sure why, but I really liked
    it."

    (iow: he finally came around to my layman's/non-academical appeal to
    reason in the end)

    not bad + maybe there's hope for him yet haha :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, November 29, 2021 22:11:20
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - smile, this was published 3 days ago on the 26th as someone else's slightly different attempt at WILDs via the hypnagogia (see? i told ya
    it's catchin' on hehe) :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__H8JAbg7z4

    although, imho, this guy isn't quite the full monty nor exactly what he
    appears to be?

    he's got 'certain' parts of it right for instance, but then flubs it
    towards the end somewhat like he doesn't quite know what he's talking
    about while mushing-over the important part...

    that if he'd ever had a 'genuine' WILD via the hypnagogia then that flub
    just wouldn't be there, he'd also know about the midway point (or summat
    like it) whereby one can then dream on-demand and at-will for literally as
    long as you like etc, nor the stuff at the end re carrying-on trying to
    dild as well... so imho this dude hasn't actually experienced a full WILD
    or he'd KNOW that, although he may indeed have experienced some
    hypnagogia...

    either way, he's inspired to do it anyway though! no? :)

    and may even end up actually knowing what he's talking about one day
    should he have several volitional WILDs to refer to and to correct himself with, plus it's NOT an advanced technique either!so here's hoping the
    series of future video he promises will gradually reveal/debunk that...

    so basically then, all we needs NOW is a few dozens MORE peeps promoting
    WILDs as well (different approaches are fine as they will likely one day
    all condense into something more basic/general etc) with both videos & yes books too, until the whole subject becomes a talking point + item of
    interest more generally! after which the sky's the limit how far they'll
    take it all generations down the line... who knows...

    all i know for (and in) myself: is that it goes ALL the way, or i wouldn't
    have even bothered with it ;)

    good eh? :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)