• Re: Paul Goldin

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:08:42
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:53:03 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:


    https://www.dib.ie/biography/goldin-paul-a9661

    "The Irish media gratefully propagated his outlandish fictions,
    including claims of intimate friendship with Hollywood luminaries and
    to have assisted both the Soviet army and the CIA, the latter by deprogramming brainwashed survivors of the Jim Jones cult in Guyana.
    There was also a succession of publicity stunts, most notably in 1979
    when his widely broadcast intention to jump without a parachute from a
    plane over Ipswich, England, and levitate to the ground was thwarted
    by police intervention."


    Outlandish fictions? Assisting the CIA to deprogram Jim Jones
    survivors? Helping the Soviet Army?

    I like ya, Slider, but you're going to have to do better than this...

    ### - that's the only information i had, have never personally met him,
    there's good and bad stories about him one of which is some kinda
    involvement in the jonestown scene as reported in those other major
    newspapers, i can't however vouch for the truth of it all or not, it's
    only what i've heard because that's what's available, he was indeed my
    real dad though...

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 20:08:00
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:08:42 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:53:03 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> >wrote:


    https://www.dib.ie/biography/goldin-paul-a9661

    "The Irish media gratefully propagated his outlandish fictions,
    including claims of intimate friendship with Hollywood luminaries and
    to have assisted both the Soviet army and the CIA, the latter by
    deprogramming brainwashed survivors of the Jim Jones cult in Guyana.
    There was also a succession of publicity stunts, most notably in 1979
    when his widely broadcast intention to jump without a parachute from a
    plane over Ipswich, England, and levitate to the ground was thwarted
    by police intervention."


    Outlandish fictions? Assisting the CIA to deprogram Jim Jones
    survivors? Helping the Soviet Army?

    I like ya, Slider, but you're going to have to do better than this...

    ### - that's the only information i had, have never personally met him, >there's good and bad stories about him one of which is some kinda
    involvement in the jonestown scene as reported in those other major >newspapers, i can't however vouch for the truth of it all or not, it's
    only what i've heard because that's what's available, he was indeed my
    real dad though...

    So you're half Jew. His kids are listed in the biography and you
    don't feature in that short list.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 14:18:14
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:08:00 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:08:42 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:53:03 +0100, o'Mahoney
    <libertidad@south.south.com>
    wrote:


    https://www.dib.ie/biography/goldin-paul-a9661

    "The Irish media gratefully propagated his outlandish fictions,
    including claims of intimate friendship with Hollywood luminaries and
    to have assisted both the Soviet army and the CIA, the latter by
    deprogramming brainwashed survivors of the Jim Jones cult in Guyana.
    There was also a succession of publicity stunts, most notably in 1979
    when his widely broadcast intention to jump without a parachute from a
    plane over Ipswich, England, and levitate to the ground was thwarted
    by police intervention."


    Outlandish fictions? Assisting the CIA to deprogram Jim Jones
    survivors? Helping the Soviet Army?

    I like ya, Slider, but you're going to have to do better than this...

    ### - that's the only information i had, have never personally met him,
    there's good and bad stories about him one of which is some kinda
    involvement in the jonestown scene as reported in those other major
    newspapers, i can't however vouch for the truth of it all or not, it's
    only what i've heard because that's what's available, he was indeed my
    real dad though...

    So you're half Jew. His kids are listed in the biography and you
    don't feature in that short list.

    ### - you just haven't been listening? and/or have missed out on other
    relevant background info regarding all this...

    i.e., fyi: my mother and step-father (they were married) were both in show business in ireland in the 50's, my mother was a singer and my step-father
    a stand-up comedian who also wrote funny skits and sketches for the stage,
    and they toured ireland along-side the stage hypnotist paul goldin who
    always had top billing in the tours right? (they did other tours with
    other stars of the stage at different times, val doonigan being among them
    for instance, i was even taken by my step-father to meet at the bbc
    onetime to see his show and afterwards in his dressing room etc, because
    they all knew each other from back in the day...)

    anyway, it was while they were on tour with paul goldin that my mother 'somehow' became pregnant with moi by paul goldin haha... and so to avoid
    any scandal they packed up everything and came to london... (you have to understand that this was rural catholic ireland in the 50's and any such scandal could actually be dangerous considering how incredibly repressed
    and thus prudish and judgmental irish society still was at that time!)
    them sadly dropping out of show business altogether because they were
    virtual unknowns over here, although they still kept in contact with other show-business people who also came over to england for one reason or
    another... val doonigan amongst them

    you also have to understand that in rural catholic ireland paul goldin's
    act was very controversial!

    people didn't believe in hypnotism so he had some very harsh critics,
    naysayers and detractors who denounced him and his act and called him a charlatan... people there had never ever seen anything like this before,
    and when he had people from the audience up there barking like dogs and
    shit (really laffing) he became famous for it! some people asserting he
    was just conning people, that it was all only an act etc, but that didn't
    stop people queuing up go see him hoping he might call them up to the
    stage too lol, so he was always a rather controversial figure and a well
    known philanderer to-boot! so he's prolly got illegitimate kids scattered
    all over ireland and beyond haha!

    and am one of 'em see? my mother & step-father never told me that he was
    my real father (only finding this all out later) but as a kid i heard all
    their stories of their various tours and of course about paul goldin and
    his amazing stage act... one of his famous + highly controversial things
    being to purportedly hypnotise the entire audience at the end of his show
    and tell them that for 10 minutes after they left the building they'd all
    see leprechauns runnin' around all over the place haha, and laughingly
    some of them claimed they did LOL !!! :D

    he was accordingly accused of all sorts of things by his many
    detractors... this was rural catholic ireland in the 50's ffs, and for all
    they knew this was maybe even the devils work hahaha :)))

    regardless of all that, he was nevertheless one of the first (if not the
    first) stage hypnotists, something we're all fairly used to today and
    think nada of but which was almost completely new back then!

    now i can't vouchsafe for 'any' of the other information about him one way
    or the other, but he was indeed a famous stage hypnotist who toured
    ireland (and other places) at one point in his career, that, and that he
    also got my mother up the duff haha (must've put the hypnotic whammy on
    her then or summat huh + really laffing) all that is true! the stuff about jonestown only coming up in conversation with jeremy (i think) when he
    started giving it to me that i dunno wtf am talking about re cults et al,
    and i showed him that well, i just might know 'something' about it
    actually, because, etc etc etc....

    i mean, you grow up hearing about things like that and it sparks yer
    interest innit, you automatically begin to accumulate info on what cults
    are and what they're about + why they exist etc etc... i certainly did
    anyway and learned a lot... NOT from the pov of some moronic asshole
    actually 'joining' several cults mind you hah! (chris throwing this self
    same pompous shit at me only just the other day?) but from the pov of an intelligent enough non-idiot observer who came to be fairly well versed in
    what all these dumbass cults are about and how they function...

    :)

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