### - oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
i wonder how well shorty would have done if Michael Korda
had NOT bought the rights to the first book? They made big
money off our graduate student. They got paid, he got paid,
the public got fucked. Korda swore that he believed every
word of what Castaneda wrote/said. Too bad he made such a bad
decision to believe the world class bullshit artist. Korda
croaked a few years ago (2017). I wonder deep down if he
ever came to his senses? Of course he would have to admit
that he was part (a big part) of the scam.
- oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
respond to the post or fuck off.
gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even change
the subject)
i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
huh...
it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your lesson??
that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
mofo of all cults)
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually
all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus
seemingly
producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one
thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing
that
suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt
natural
ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of
awareness
(you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for
moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like
being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others
forms/modes...
iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole
nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty
of
lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name
for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid
dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds)
and
thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use
of
hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
i tend to think that dreaming (all forms of dreaming) is like entering
a library
of preloaded pictures that somehow we access and it gets played in our
head.
Notice that the dream has a mind of its own until we get lucid or awake
in the
dream and then it can be altered. But what or who set up the show?
And don't
say it was the dreamer as if it concocted all this stuff on the spot
when you go to
sleep. There's never a shortage of dreams, think of it. Here i am
a 73 year old
fart and i'm still making shit up every night that i don't have a
fucking clue about.
They never make much sense. For the most part you forget 98% by noon anyhow.
IF mankind has been doing this drill for 100,000 years, how come we are still
dumb as a rug? We don't learn very fast. Here's the best line:
"it was just a dream".
Yeah useless as ever, same as it ever was, my ship will come in some
day, and Jesus/
God will finally love and accept us. Sure pal, you keep dreaming
that shit.
no wonder shorty said "fuck god himself". the best thing he ever
said and it's useless.
### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a
new one eh?
so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??
### - the fact that you didn't understand my response isn't exactly my
fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,
but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and
so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of
your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you
weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's
no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)
### - proof of what already, that you're still pissing & moaning about how big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !
(crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...
poor baby syndrome!)
i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.
### - you belonged so why deny it? were even part of his 'special' sunday classes weren't you?
are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))
### - your current anger and resentment belies your denial? plus i clearly remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held
yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow
hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and
even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger (moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))
### - the 'lesson' you were given (via cc) re belonging to cults and how
they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e., self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take 'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))
### - already told ya that my 'real' daddy was part of the team that
helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,
methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic
is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually
all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness (you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes... iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name
for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
slider wrote:
gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
ha! you should have seen me about 40 years ago.
Your head would be torn off by now, lol!
### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even
change
the subject)
That was your silly shit reaction you mean.
You're still acting like a 'gull'.
i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
i'm right here, right now motherfucker.
Show me your evidence of what YOU got, ok?
You got nothing, no proof whatsoever.
so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
huh...
i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.
it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
there's no fucking regrets here. I moved on way before he croaked.
try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your
lesson??
save your speech for a naive newager. I got your lesson right here
pally.
that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
mofo of all cults)
don't be fucking stupid. If you knew anything about how cult operates
you would be embarrassed to hell.
so the guy that still thinks wake induced dream are WILD
and not really out of body experiences? Is that right coach?
Dude out of body experiences have been around alot longer
than you. Perhaps you don't know where it's at afterall eh?
Writing a book doesn't make it so but you can try. good luck!
gets more reasonable in the end wrote...
(so am snipping all the useless personal crap...)
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually >>> all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus
seemingly
producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one
thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing
that
suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt
natural
ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of
awareness
(you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for
moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like >>> being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others
forms/modes...
iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole
nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty
of
lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name >>> for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid >>> dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds)
and
thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use
of
hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
i tend to think that dreaming (all forms of dreaming) is like entering
a library
of preloaded pictures that somehow we access and it gets played in our
head.
Notice that the dream has a mind of its own until we get lucid or awake
in the
dream and then it can be altered. But what or who set up the show?
And don't
say it was the dreamer as if it concocted all this stuff on the spot
when you go to
sleep. There's never a shortage of dreams, think of it. Here i am
a 73 year old
fart and i'm still making shit up every night that i don't have a
fucking clue about.
They never make much sense. For the most part you forget 98% by noon
anyhow.
IF mankind has been doing this drill for 100,000 years, how come we are
still
dumb as a rug? We don't learn very fast. Here's the best line:
"it was just a dream".
Yeah useless as ever, same as it ever was, my ship will come in some
day, and Jesus/
God will finally love and accept us. Sure pal, you keep dreaming
that shit.
no wonder shorty said "fuck god himself". the best thing he ever
said and it's useless.
### - methinks ordinary random dreams are us just still talking away to >ourselves while we're asleep, our imagination auto-spinning the various >scenarios which we then also react to as those thoughts play out, the >weirdness of which immediately clears up/goes-away the very moment one >becomes lucid...
iow: that's the exact same kinds of random shit that's more or less >continually going through our minds all the time we're awake too, a >reflection of it, random musings about random things on & on like that all >day long lol, this interspersed with occasional but rare moments of
lucidity before we again wander-off into mindless musings about crap
haha... a 24/7 condition
get more lucid in our random dreams, however, and it has the knock-on
effect of producing more & more moments of similar/corresponding lucidity >during the day too... which 'could' be useful...
the main point being that lucid dreaming is thus a clue that a
corresponding lucidity is also available during waking as well, that such
a thing exists to aim for and to experience...
e.g., (and this is very old indeed) - what is the sound of one hand
clapping?
the answer being: thought-less-ness, or, inner silence = lucidity of a >different order during waking...
quite simples really :)
so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a >conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
oh bullshit, you sound like some dufus new age bullshit artist.
you're sounding like a chicken shit cult leader now.
Jim Jones rap, Chuck Manson talk, fill in your favorite cult leader
here.
yeah but where's the fucking beef? Sooner or later your followers
are going to question what the fuck you're saying. No suckcess like failure.
means nothing. idle head spinning. blah blah, listen to me i'm the messiah.
look behind you right now, how many people are following you besides
your Nikes?
show me your 'winners'? where are they and what have they done in the world?
Nothing, nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere. All aboard?
Fuck no!
oh and btw, nothing personal here, just calling a spade a spade.
### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason & rationality alone...
thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)
can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually
about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to
our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all we consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...
in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely 'rationalise'
it all, something which in effect only removes you from the possibility of ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's all nonsense and meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in it etc etc... so
the computer just says: No.
'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin to coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only
asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,
and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...
that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring
things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'
which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,
there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of
the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!
perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it oneself...
that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to beshow me your 'winners'? where are they and what have they done in the world? Nothing, nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere. All aboard? Fuck no! oh and btw, nothing personal here, just calling a spade a spade.
learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little effort
by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial breakthrough) after which one is then in the perfect position to assess it all for oneself
rather than taking someone's word for anything...
to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough videos (videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or 40 minutes
of video), after which it'll all look very different indeed... the only reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more
rapid and reliable means of accessing it via hypnagogic images...
try it and then join the debate ;)
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:38:03 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
gets more reasonable in the end wrote...
(so am snipping all the useless personal crap...)
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's
actually
all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus
seemingly
producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one
thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing
that
suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt
natural
ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of
awareness
(you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for
moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears
like
being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others
forms/modes...
iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole
nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty >>>> of
lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes
very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern
name
for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that
lucid
dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) >>>> and
thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for
the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use >>>> of
hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
i tend to think that dreaming (all forms of dreaming) is like entering
a library
of preloaded pictures that somehow we access and it gets played in our
head.
Notice that the dream has a mind of its own until we get lucid or awake
in the
dream and then it can be altered. But what or who set up the show?
And don't
say it was the dreamer as if it concocted all this stuff on the spot
when you go to
sleep. There's never a shortage of dreams, think of it. Here i
am
a 73 year old
fart and i'm still making shit up every night that i don't have a
fucking clue about.
They never make much sense. For the most part you forget 98% by noon
anyhow.
IF mankind has been doing this drill for 100,000 years, how come we
are
still
dumb as a rug? We don't learn very fast. Here's the best line:
"it was just a dream".
Yeah useless as ever, same as it ever was, my ship will come in some
day, and Jesus/
God will finally love and accept us. Sure pal, you keep dreaming
that shit.
no wonder shorty said "fuck god himself". the best thing he ever
said and it's useless.
### - methinks ordinary random dreams are us just still talking away to
ourselves while we're asleep, our imagination auto-spinning the various
scenarios which we then also react to as those thoughts play out, the
weirdness of which immediately clears up/goes-away the very moment one
becomes lucid...
iow: that's the exact same kinds of random shit that's more or less
continually going through our minds all the time we're awake too, a
reflection of it, random musings about random things on & on like that
all
day long lol, this interspersed with occasional but rare moments of
lucidity before we again wander-off into mindless musings about crap
haha... a 24/7 condition
get more lucid in our random dreams, however, and it has the knock-on
effect of producing more & more moments of similar/corresponding
lucidity
during the day too... which 'could' be useful...
the main point being that lucid dreaming is thus a clue that a
corresponding lucidity is also available during waking as well, that
such
a thing exists to aim for and to experience...
e.g., (and this is very old indeed) - what is the sound of one hand
clapping?
the answer being: thought-less-ness, or, inner silence = lucidity of a
different order during waking...
quite simples really :)
Nope. You're overcomplicating stuff here.
Let's look at the facts. We sleep to provide down time for the body
to rejuvenate from the day's labours. In lizard times, primordial
times, ancient times, prehistoric times, the day's labours involved
killing prey for food and avoiding being killed by predators for food.
That's a fact.
Part of the down time is/was to provide the brain, that most vital
organ, with opportunity to stop thinking (about getting food an
avoiding being food) so that buildup of amyloid on synapses and
cognate stuff could be shed and removed by our brain lymphatic system,
called the cerebrospinal fluid system. Sleep is needed for this
function to occur.
Dreaming, that vital part of sleep, is a tremor of the brain which
induces the removal of amyloid and other nasty proteins from the
synapses into the CSF so the guck can be drained away and the brain
refreshed and cleaned for another day's hard work killing food and
avoiding being killed for food.
Dreaming is random memories and artifacts woven into nothing special
and nothing meaningful, simply to shake the synapses so that the
clinging amyloids and so on can be removed and drained during the
night. Amyloid, when not adroitly and efficiently removed, becomes
the bedrock of Alzheimer's Disease.
Dreaming is nothing special and nothing meaningful. Any accidents
which result in anything meaningful (such as Kekule's dream of the
benzene ring) are just that, accidental.
So as you say, Brian...
Quite simples, really :)
not only does shit happen......
........ shit also changes..............
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 13:59:32 +0100, chris rodgers
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:
so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a
conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the
gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason
& rationality alone...
thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)
can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually
about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to
our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all
we consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...
in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely
'rationalise' it all, something which in effect only removes you from
the possibility of ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's
all nonsense and meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in
it etc etc... so the computer just says: No.
iow: there's really only one way to understand it and that's by actually 'doing' it...
'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin
to coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,
and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...
that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring
things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'
which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,
there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of
the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!
perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it oneself...
that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be
learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little
effort by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial
breakthrough) after which one is then in the perfect position to assess
it all for oneself rather than taking someone's word for anything...
to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough
videos (videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or
40 minutes of video), after which it'll all look very different
indeed... the only reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more rapid and reliable means of accessing it via
hypnagogic images...
try it and then join the debate ;)
so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
yeah but nobody cares. :)
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