https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:30 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it, but the debunking will take much
longer if ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/england-67-of-covid-deaths-are-of-vaccinees-according-to-the-british-press/
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it, but the debunking will take much
longer if ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:30 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it,
but the debunking will take much longer if ever.
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/england-67-of-covid-deaths-are-of-vaccinees-according-to-the-british-press/
https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/114031401/posts/3449237394
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:43:18 +0200, Venus as a Boy wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:30 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it,
Aye. Didn't read it.
but the debunking will take much longer if ever.
The debunking of the debunking?
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/england-67-of-covid-deaths-are-of-vaccinees-according-to-the-british-press/
<< Breaking news Friday morning, June 25, reveals that Matt Hancock
has been having a secret affair with his aide Gina Coladangelo. We
imagine it’s all the nation is talking about since the images of
Hancock embracing the millionaire lobbyist were released, it’s
certainly all over the media and we doubt it will stop being front
page news anytime soon. >>
Sounds sensational.
https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/114031401/posts/3449237394
The link above didn't do any Ting for me.
- hm3
i didn't even look at it
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:30 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it, but the debunking will take much
longer if ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/england-67-of-covid-deaths-are-of-vaccinees-according-to-the-british-press/
https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/114031401/posts/3449237394
This old cunt is talking about mRNA vaccines, not the carrier type,
which is old tech, like AZ Vx.
I wouldn't call her authoritative, however she *does* have a point
about the new tech in that it hasn't really undergone proper trialling
due to the "emergency" pandemic protocols.
I and my wife refused Pfizer and have had AZ Vx because we don't wish
to be part of a huge experimental base which could have significant
issues downstream. AZ Vx is traditional carrier Vx - dead protein
carried by denatured adenovirus in the usual way, a la flu vaccine
etc.
Am 21.07.2021 um 09:52 schrieb o'Mahoney:
This old cunt is talking about mRNA vaccines, not the carrier type,What you refer to is AZ's vector vaccines in which an adovenovirus is >injecting the mRNA of the coronavirus as "opposed" to "pure" mRNA
which is old tech, like AZ Vx.
I wouldn't call her authoritative, however she *does* have a point
about the new tech in that it hasn't really undergone proper trialling
due to the "emergency" pandemic protocols.
I and my wife refused Pfizer and have had AZ Vx because we don't wish
to be part of a huge experimental base which could have significant
issues downstream. AZ Vx is traditional carrier Vx - dead protein
carried by denatured adenovirus in the usual way, a la flu vaccine
etc.
vaccines, which is almost the same, but the joke is the vector vaccine
seem to make it obvious that we are vaccinated with a disease!
(The pharmamaphia
though claim that the mRNA gets destroyed before being
integrated into the cellcore. Is there somr magic trick behind it that
the mRNA knows that it should dessolve before it is integrated into the >cellcore?)
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:41:01 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 09:52 schrieb o'Mahoney:
This old cunt is talking about mRNA vaccines, not the carrier type,What you refer to is AZ's vector vaccines in which an adovenovirus is >>injecting the mRNA of the coronavirus as "opposed" to "pure" mRNA
which is old tech, like AZ Vx.
I wouldn't call her authoritative, however she *does* have a point
about the new tech in that it hasn't really undergone proper trialling
due to the "emergency" pandemic protocols.
I and my wife refused Pfizer and have had AZ Vx because we don't wish
to be part of a huge experimental base which could have significant
issues downstream. AZ Vx is traditional carrier Vx - dead protein
carried by denatured adenovirus in the usual way, a la flu vaccine
etc.
vaccines, which is almost the same, but the joke is the vector vaccine
seem to make it obvious that we are vaccinated with a disease!
(The pharmamaphia
pharmacopoeia? Come on, do you read such things?
though claim that the mRNA gets destroyed before being
integrated into the cellcore. Is there somr magic trick behind it that
the mRNA knows that it should dessolve before it is integrated into the >>cellcore?)
You need to understand what messenger rna is. Not the same thing as
dna, for instance. Go to university and learn some biology. Now that
it appears you can be rational.
You need to understand what messenger rna is. Not the same thing as
dna, for instance. Go to university and learn some biology. Now that
it appears you can be rational.
Not so that you can expose yourself to scientific indoctrinating if
that worries you. It is so you can recognize snake oil merchants when
you see them. Snake oil is a much larger risk.
--
Noah Sombrero
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:20:26 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 17:55 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
You need to understand what messenger rna is. Not the same thing as
dna, for instance. Go to university and learn some biology. Now that >>>> it appears you can be rational.
Not so that you can expose yourself to scientific indoctrinating if
that worries you. It is so you can recognize snake oil merchants when
you see them. Snake oil is a much larger risk.
--
Noah Sombrero
I went to google university some minutes ago, and as it seems regarding
the other post, an "irrational" thought is becoming reality:
https://www.newsy-today.com/human-cells-can-convert-rna-sequences-into-dna-study-finds/
Best thing is, like I said, go to university where, for example a
single study is not proof of anything. That requires multiple studies
by various researchers, and peer review and things like that.
Am 21.07.2021 um 17:55 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
You need to understand what messenger rna is. Not the same thing as
dna, for instance. Go to university and learn some biology. Now that
it appears you can be rational.
Not so that you can expose yourself to scientific indoctrinating if
that worries you. It is so you can recognize snake oil merchants when
you see them. Snake oil is a much larger risk.
--
Noah Sombrero
I went to google university some minutes ago, and as it seems regarding
the other post, an "irrational" thought is becoming reality:
https://www.newsy-today.com/human-cells-can-convert-rna-sequences-into-dna-study-finds/
I went to google university some minutes ago, and as it seems regarding
the other post, an "irrational" thought is becoming reality:
https://www.newsy-today.com/human-cells-can-convert-rna-sequences-into-dna-study-finds/
Best thing is, like I said, go to university where, for example a
single study is not proof of anything. That requires multiple studies
by various researchers, and peer review and things like that.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:40 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true though, that since rna and dna are made out of the same
protein building blocks, arranged in different ways, it is
theoretically possible to convert one to the other by rearranging
blocks. That does not mean that virus rna retains virus properties if
Than what? Human cell properties?
it is converted. Best to go learn something. It is amazing what you
can discover once you get away from the snake oil guys.
--
Noah Sombrero
It is true though, that since rna and dna are made out of the same
protein building blocks, arranged in different ways, it is
theoretically possible to convert one to the other by rearranging
blocks. That does not mean that virus rna retains virus properties if
it is converted. Best to go learn something. It is amazing what you
can discover once you get away from the snake oil guys.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:32 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
I went to google university some minutes ago, and as it seems regarding
the other post, an "irrational" thought is becoming reality:
https://www.newsy-today.com/human-cells-can-convert-rna-sequences-into-dna-study-finds/
Best thing is, like I said, go to university where, for example a
single study is not proof of anything. That requires multiple studies
by various researchers, and peer review and things like that.
--
Noah Sombrero
Do you want to imply that most scientists are aware of the idea that you >can't provve anything for sure infinitly because you have to infinitly >replicate the studies bc some omnipotent being could change reality so
the innitial study is not valid anymore!
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Or ist it now that which studies got more followers or as you might say >"replicas" is the trustworthiest, as there seems to be to every studie a >counterstudy,
is it now the newest thing to decide science by vote or
popularity?
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:40 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true though, that since rna and dna are made out of the same
protein building blocks, arranged in different ways, it is
theoretically possible to convert one to the other by rearranging
blocks. That does not mean that virus rna retains virus properties if
Than what? Human cell properties?
--it is converted. Best to go learn something. It is amazing what you
can discover once you get away from the snake oil guys.
--
Noah Sombrero
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:42:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:40 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true though, that since rna and dna are made out of the same
protein building blocks, arranged in different ways, it is
theoretically possible to convert one to the other by rearranging
blocks. That does not mean that virus rna retains virus properties if
Than what? Human cell properties?
That would be what human cells would make.
--
it is converted. Best to go learn something. It is amazing what you
can discover once you get away from the snake oil guys.
--
Noah Sombrero
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make mistakes.
Or ist it now that which studies got more followers or as you might say
"replicas" is the trustworthiest, as there seems to be to every studie a
counterstudy,
The snake oil guys are endlessly shifty. Yes, you can find studies
that say nicotine does not cause cancer. In the end the profs say,
that each investigator needs to examine all the evidence and decide
for himself. All, every single bit. Not only one you found in a
popular news source.
is it now the newest thing to decide science by vote or
popularity?
A very old thing. But it isn't popularity.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
Or the more obvious thing about antidepressivas being effective, it is
shown in many studies that ad's have only a very slight above
placeboeffect effect, but the pharmamafia somehow managed to manipulate
the studies in choosing selective data showing that it seemed to have an >actual effect!
It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
expect to know what's what.
If you do well, get the degrees, become the prof and do your own
research, other prof's will read what you say and maybe even try to
duplicate it if they think your idea has potential. It is true that
an awful lot of published research did not get duplicated, did not
attract interest of a prof who might have done that. If you don't see
people trying to duplicate an particular idea, you know what that
means.
One aptitude a phd has that you and I do not, is associative power.
That is where you can spend some years studying the literature of your discipline and end up remembering all of it, who wrote it, what it
says, and what page to find it on in what resource. That means the
ability to put a whole lot of information together and know what it
all means. You would demonstrate this ability to other phd's when you
defend your dissertation standing in front of them. No notes, every
thing comes straight out of your brain and then out of your mouth.
That does not mean that phd's are superheros, don't have human faults,
and don't make mistakes.
No doubt there is some of that, same with tobacco companies. Wouldn't
it be great to have the tools necessary to truly sort all that out for yourself?
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
So believe needs math?
You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
expect to know what's what.
You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about >univerity problems!
If you do well, get the degrees, become the prof and do your own
research, other prof's will read what you say and maybe even try to
duplicate it if they think your idea has potential. It is true that
an awful lot of published research did not get duplicated, did not
attract interest of a prof who might have done that. If you don't see
people trying to duplicate an particular idea, you know what that
means.
regarding duplicating see dopamin theory and antidepressiva studies as i >wrote in the other posts!
One aptitude a phd has that you and I do not, is associative power.
That is where you can spend some years studying the literature of your
discipline and end up remembering all of it, who wrote it, what it
says, and what page to find it on in what resource. That means the
You are confusing association with remebering/learning things
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association
ability to put a whole lot of information together and know what it
all means. You would demonstrate this ability to other phd's when you
defend your dissertation standing in front of them. No notes, every
thing comes straight out of your brain and then out of your mouth.
Looking just at germany, or simply the fact that the profs don't know of
all studies that ever been published, a lot of german polticians have
been found lately in plagiarising unknown studies from other scientists!
--That does not mean that phd's are superheros, don't have human faults,
and don't make mistakes.
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
--
Or ist it now that which studies got more followers or as you might say
"replicas" is the trustworthiest, as there seems to be to every studie a >>> counterstudy,
The snake oil guys are endlessly shifty. Yes, you can find studies
that say nicotine does not cause cancer. In the end the profs say,
The dose makes the medicine or the poison!
that each investigator needs to examine all the evidence and decide
for himself. All, every single bit. Not only one you found in a
popular news source.
is it now the newest thing to decide science by vote or
popularity?
A very old thing. But it isn't popularity.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
So believe needs math?
You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
expect to know what's what.
You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about univerity problems!
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:43 schrieb Venus as a Boy:"Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man,
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 16.07.2021 um 20:30 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:08:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 16.07.2021 um 08:25 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7279327.PN.&OS=PN/7279327&RS=PN/7279327
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
It takes 20 minutes to read it, but the debunking will take much
longer if ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2021/07/16/england-67-of-covid-deaths-are-of-vaccinees-according-to-the-british-press/
https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/114031401/posts/3449237394
Interesting article on longterm effects of the covid vaccine:
https://rairfoundation.com/mit-scientist-covid-vaccines-may-cause-diseases-in-10-to-15-years-exclusive-video/
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:26 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
No doubt there is some of that, same with tobacco companies. Wouldn't
it be great to have the tools necessary to truly sort all that out for
yourself?
Yes there's AI which can do that for you!
So believe needs math?
Believing needs nothing. Knowing what to believe requires math if you
are reading scientific literature.
You can be rational if you decide to do that. That does not mean you
have the tools to evaluate scientific literature.
Yes, right now, neither of us has the tools to know what that all
means.
To suit whatever point they want to make. Politicians plagiarizing
other scientists. Are the politicians or scientists?
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:29 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is also true that you need the background and the evaluative tools
and the math skills you get at university to decide what to believe.
So believe needs math?
You can't simply step up to scientific research without that and
expect to know what's what.
You are actually saying that i can't think properly because i didn't
visit a university and with a non-univerity mind you can't think about
univerity problems!
Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you >shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!
So i actually have
such a university mind as you want me to have to understand or think
about such things, but in my opinion you don't need to go to university
to be able to think about scientific problems
just look at some
inventors that never seen an university from inside.
My teachers oftentimes told me the most important thing you need to
learn in university is to find informations may it be in others studies
or your own!
Nowadays and especially bc of the lack of access to science facilities i >retreat on finding info!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:40:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you
shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!
Excellent. So what degree do you have? MA, MS, PHD? Probably they
call them something else in germany.
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:38 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
You should be cleare in your expressions! It's not believe that needsSo believe needs math?
Believing needs nothing. Knowing what to believe requires math if you
are reading scientific literature.
math but knowledge, methinks there's a difference!
You can be rational if you decide to do that. That does not mean you
have the tools to evaluate scientific literature.
mind or something like common sense? you say i don't have that?
Yes, right now, neither of us has the tools to know what that all
means.
see above
To suit whatever point they want to make. Politicians plagiarizing
other scientists. Are the politicians or scientists?
That maybe new to an american but most politicians in germany have a >university education and somekind of normal degree some have even a
doctors degree!
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:40:53 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Would you be surprised if i tell you that i actually studied, though you >>> shouldn't be as i mentioned that in a rant somewhere!
Excellent. So what degree do you have? MA, MS, PHD? Probably they
call them something else in germany.
In that case i must disappoint you, i have not finnished my studies, the >reason for that is in the other rant/thread i think
, but that is no
reason i can't think or let's say think the way you expect someone to
think, besides as a counter example just look at our german politicians >getting doctors degrees with stolen info!
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance >theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science >(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science (studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make
mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and the
brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could just
be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!
But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:21 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you >>>>> made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make >>>>> mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and
the brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could
just be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy,
has been completetly made up by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her
book saying, that the science (studies) for the imbalance theory for
sure will be delivered in the near future!
But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"! >>
Ah ya, the sciences, sigh, there been a technique to "cure" sz which was >rewarded with the nobel price which some might heard of: Lobotomy!
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:18 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 18:46 schrieb Noah Sombrero:Just to make it clear regarding "science", the
Or why do you say that more studies are neccessary?
Because, if nobody else can replicate what you see, then you know you
made an error. Look again. Nobody is so smart that they don't make >>>> mistakes.
There been massive studies about the dopamine in sz theorie seemed
beeing right though the psychiatrists new the dopamin theorie being a
lie (there are no blood tests identifying dopamin in the blood and
the brain vivisections of dead "sz'ers" finding massive dopamin could
just be like other transmitters like the supposed release of dmt-like
transmitters upon death to make death more pleasent), but actually i
found only one study that says that neurons fire less in sz, though i
even doubt that study!
neurotransmitterimbalance theory, basis of many drug related therapy,
has been completetly made up by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her
book saying, that the science (studies) for the imbalance theory for
sure will be delivered in the near future!
But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments, where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
Drugs that work would be more important than counter arguments.
where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"!
But this one is not supported by other research. You know what to
think of that.
--
Noah Sombrero
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance
theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up
by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!
So, then, the conscientious researcher might wonder if other
researchers have contributed confirmations or contrary indications?
Are there drugs based on this theory that appear to work as described
or not?
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:56 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
The english wikipedia article is missing his prior university inventions
of Iglove and the carbackmirror without a blind spot!
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:28 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
But if you look at the drug therapy there seem to be some indicators
that "speak" for that approach, other than that i have counterarguments,
Drugs that work would be more important than counter arguments.
As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after
some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up >certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is,
they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!
where one is that also electromagnetic influence on the brain is "helping"! >>But this one is not supported by other research. You know what to
think of that.
Doesn't matter if it is supported or not they made "results" supported
by the patients testimony!
----
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:25 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Just to make it clear regarding "science", the neurotransmitterimbalance >>> theory, basis of many drug related therapy, has been completetly made up >>> by a psychiatrist with a footnote in her book saying, that the science
(studies) for the imbalance theory for sure will be delivered in the
near future!
So, then, the conscientious researcher might wonder if other
researchers have contributed confirmations or contrary indications?
Are there drugs based on this theory that appear to work as described
or not?
NO!
----
Noah Sombrero
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:56:23 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
That does not mean that he did not understand the importance of
university.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:00 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 20:56 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
The english wikipedia article is missing his prior university
inventions of Iglove and the carbackmirror without a blind spot!
The english article even misses the paragraph which says that he had
such bad grades in highschool that he didn't want to participate in the innovator chalange!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:08:08 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:03 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:56:23 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car, >>>>> to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars >>>>> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
That does not mean that he did not understand the importance of
university.
--
Noah Sombrero
But it says that you don't need university to be a modern inventor!
That depends on what you want to invent, or build.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:03 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:56:23 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car.
But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car,
to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars
are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he
mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
That does not mean that he did not understand the importance of
university.
--
Noah Sombrero
But it says that you don't need university to be a modern inventor!
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:10 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:08:08 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:03 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:56:23 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
True, Henry Ford didn't need a scientific education to built a car. >>>>>> But in 2021, you need to learn automotive engineering to build a car, >>>>>> to build a bridge you need civil engineering. That is, if your cars >>>>>> are to be sold around the world or cars are to be driven across
bridges you might build.
Actually this guy also studied but prior to his university studies he >>>>> mad very highteccy innovations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_Rimac
That does not mean that he did not understand the importance of
university.
--
Noah Sombrero
But it says that you don't need university to be a modern inventor!
That depends on what you want to invent, or build.
--
Noah Sombrero
read the wiki article!
As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after
some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up
certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is,
they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!
Let them sort that out. It might take a while. The important thing
right now is whether they help.
Regardless, it still depends. Try to build a new computer motherboard
on your own from basic materials, better yet, a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:23 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Regardless, it still depends. Try to build a new computer motherboard
on your own from basic materials, better yet, a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
It is not in the realms of the impossible! Except that you need the >facilities to produce or manufacture it but the blueprints of such could
be made by someone without university in this case i refer you to the
IGlove made by Rimac!
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:05 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after
some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up >>> certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is, >>> they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!
Let them sort that out. It might take a while. The important thing
right now is whether they help.
I am starting to doubt your ability to think properly or make
connections between statements, but that goes also for the majority of >humanity, so don't be sad, i will explain it to you:
if a drug enters the neuronal gaps immediately, in this case the dopamin
etc. blockers start inhibiting the dopamin receptors, one might think
the drug starts tp "work" according to its intent immediarely, but
according to psychiatrist and observations made amongst patients, the
drug needs weeks to "work" bc of some obscure mechanism. So if i go by
these statements there seems to be some magic involved in the workings
of the drugs bc the innhibtion of the dopamin etc. receptors doesn't
equal to the intent of the drugs but you must wait some magic time that
they unfold their effects. Maybe they are some kind of wine that needs
to be worked around the mouth to unfold its aroma! Yeah? For sure? Fuck it!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:27:41 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:23 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Regardless, it still depends. Try to build a new computer motherboard
on your own from basic materials, better yet, a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
It is not in the realms of the impossible! Except that you need the
facilities to produce or manufacture it but the blueprints of such could
be made by someone without university in this case i refer you to the
IGlove made by Rimac!
Not even close. A modern cpu has tens of thousands of individual transistors. Now think how small those must be, and what it would
take to arrange them all so they do what they are supposed to do. Open
your computer and look at the cpu if you haven't done that before.
This is not a matter of some guy printing some circuits and welding it
all together with solder.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:31 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:27:41 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:23 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Regardless, it still depends. Try to build a new computer motherboard >>>> on your own from basic materials, better yet, a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
It is not in the realms of the impossible! Except that you need the
facilities to produce or manufacture it but the blueprints of such could >>> be made by someone without university in this case i refer you to the
IGlove made by Rimac!
Not even close. A modern cpu has tens of thousands of individual
transistors. Now think how small those must be, and what it would
take to arrange them all so they do what they are supposed to do. Open
your computer and look at the cpu if you haven't done that before.
This is not a matter of some guy printing some circuits and welding it
all together with solder.
--
Noah Sombrero
They are just some transistors etc., yes the modern cpu's are quiet
complex but they also started small and on these small units where
placed other parts and so forth until they became so big, if someone
without university degree would be interested to build a cpu he for sure >would start with the old 8086 cpu's or even older cpu's and look what
they have added to these cpu's and so could probably build his own if he >liked! As i said they are just complex arrays of transistors and shit!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:24:27 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:05 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
As i said they seem to work, but the momentary drugs merely work after >>>> some weeks of exposure and the psychiatrists say that they must build up >>>> certain level of the agent to properly work, but the counterargument is, >>>> they actually enter the neuronal gaps immediately after the intake!
Let them sort that out. It might take a while. The important thing
right now is whether they help.
I am starting to doubt your ability to think properly or make
connections between statements, but that goes also for the majority of >>humanity, so don't be sad, i will explain it to you:
if a drug enters the neuronal gaps immediately, in this case the dopamin >>etc. blockers start inhibiting the dopamin receptors, one might think
the drug starts tp "work" according to its intent immediarely, but >>according to psychiatrist and observations made amongst patients, the
drug needs weeks to "work" bc of some obscure mechanism. So if i go by >>these statements there seems to be some magic involved in the workings
of the drugs bc the innhibtion of the dopamin etc. receptors doesn't
equal to the intent of the drugs but you must wait some magic time that >>they unfold their effects. Maybe they are some kind of wine that needs
to be worked around the mouth to unfold its aroma! Yeah? For sure? Fuck it!
None of which matters if it works. But you can be sure the techy
sorts will argue about it for some time to come.
I am starting to doubt your ability to think properly or make
connections between statements, but that goes also for the majority of
humanity, so don't be sad, i will explain it to you:
if a drug enters the neuronal gaps immediately, in this case the dopamin
etc. blockers start inhibiting the dopamin receptors, one might think
the drug starts tp "work" according to its intent immediarely, but
according to psychiatrist and observations made amongst patients, the
drug needs weeks to "work" bc of some obscure mechanism. So if i go by
these statements there seems to be some magic involved in the workings
of the drugs bc the innhibtion of the dopamin etc. receptors doesn't
equal to the intent of the drugs but you must wait some magic time that
they unfold their effects. Maybe they are some kind of wine that needs
to be worked around the mouth to unfold its aroma! Yeah? For sure? Fuck it!
None of which matters if it works. But you can be sure the techy
sorts will argue about it for some time to come.
--
Noah Sombrero
The thing you can be sure of is that the final answer will not be
magical.
It is like 20 years ago when I took a course in computer hardware. I
was told that the then current cpu was the most complex thing ever
created by humans. And that there are perhaps 4 or 5 theoretical
physicists in the world who understand what is actually happening
inside. The rest of us can devise manufacturing processes to
implement what those physicists say, but that is all. It is beyond
most of us, but in the end there is a rational explanation if you can
get your mind around it. And it works.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:44 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
The thing you can be sure of is that the final answer will not be
magical.
It is like 20 years ago when I took a course in computer hardware. I
was told that the then current cpu was the most complex thing ever
created by humans. And that there are perhaps 4 or 5 theoretical
physicists in the world who understand what is actually happening
inside. The rest of us can devise manufacturing processes to
implement what those physicists say, but that is all. It is beyond
most of us, but in the end there is a rational explanation if you can
get your mind around it. And it works.
--
Noah Sombrero
You are so fond of civilization in this case university and its advances
that you rely think it is so beyond an "avarge" human to ever
understand, that it even might come close to the realms of the
supernatural! If i think correctly or just observe the numbers of just >electroengineers who should be capable of building a cpu according to
the goals of their studies there should be actually hundreds of
thousands uf humans capable of understanding and building cpu'S!
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:33 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
None of which matters if it works. But you can be sure the techy
I am starting to doubt your ability to think properly or make
connections between statements, but that goes also for the majority of
humanity, so don't be sad, i will explain it to you:
if a drug enters the neuronal gaps immediately, in this case the dopamin >>> etc. blockers start inhibiting the dopamin receptors, one might think
the drug starts tp "work" according to its intent immediarely, but
according to psychiatrist and observations made amongst patients, the
drug needs weeks to "work" bc of some obscure mechanism. So if i go by
these statements there seems to be some magic involved in the workings
of the drugs bc the innhibtion of the dopamin etc. receptors doesn't
equal to the intent of the drugs but you must wait some magic time that
they unfold their effects. Maybe they are some kind of wine that needs
to be worked around the mouth to unfold its aroma! Yeah? For sure? Fuck it! >>
sorts will argue about it for some time to come.
--
Noah Sombrero
As i said seem to work, you don't understand, even my psychiatrist
admitted that the main function is the sedating one and even to them it
is not clear what the so called antipsychotic effect is, or if you just
look into antideppesivas it is actually mostly a placebo effect, i have >another theory why the nl's are deemed to be effectice simply because
they numb the patient to that degree that he is no more capable of >interacting with the world other than that the therapy of other patients >supporting you with a listening ear and so forth are the main reason
that you reenter the everyday reality!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:54:54 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:44 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
The thing you can be sure of is that the final answer will not be
magical.
It is like 20 years ago when I took a course in computer hardware. I
was told that the then current cpu was the most complex thing ever
created by humans. And that there are perhaps 4 or 5 theoretical
physicists in the world who understand what is actually happening
inside. The rest of us can devise manufacturing processes to
implement what those physicists say, but that is all. It is beyond
most of us, but in the end there is a rational explanation if you can
get your mind around it. And it works.
--
Noah Sombrero
You are so fond of civilization in this case university and its advances >>that you rely think it is so beyond an "avarge" human to ever
understand, that it even might come close to the realms of the >>supernatural! If i think correctly or just observe the numbers of just >>electroengineers who should be capable of building a cpu according to
the goals of their studies there should be actually hundreds of
thousands uf humans capable of understanding and building cpu'S!
Should be... Well, that was what I was told. It did sound to me like
I probably not find a program at university that would tell me how to
build a cpu.
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies how
a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want to
believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies how
a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want to
believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:07:22 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies how
a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want to
believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
Right, and the physicists who understand cpu's can't make a diagram
that explains it all either. It is, in the first place, beyond us.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:07 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies
how a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want
to believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
So comming back to the dopamintheory of sz if the imbalance theory and
the involved drug are of reality some might think the nl's immideatly entering the neuronal gaps and so blocking the dopamin and so
"rebalancing" the brain should also lead to an immediate annihilation of symptoms, but that doesn't happen, so i say , no, the drugs don't work
as intended! Do you undestand now?
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:07 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization
in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies how
a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want to
believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
So comming back to the dopamintheory of sz if the imbalance theory and
the involved drug are of reality some might think the nl's immideatly >entering the neuronal gaps and so blocking the dopamin and so
"rebalancing" the brain should also lead to an immediate annihilation of >symptoms, but that doesn't happen, so i say , no, the drugs don't work
as intended! Do you undestand now?
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:10 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:07:22 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization >>>> in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies how
a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want to
believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
Right, and the physicists who understand cpu's can't make a diagram
that explains it all either. It is, in the first place, beyond us.
--
Noah Sombrero
You stupid bumfuck the physicists actually have a modell that expalins
the workings of a cpu
but the neuroscientists have no modell of a
welbalanced brain, they even found out about the endocannabinoid system
in the late 80ies!
Or if i come from the opposite side of thinking, i started to hear and
see things after some time again even though i was loaded with nl's up
to the brim!
Now, that I understand. Could it have something to do with how you
want to believe in these experiences, seek to find explanations for
how they might have a reality of some sort?
Because, if that is what you want, I have no doubt that the brain,
being a living thing, can find a way to rewire itself so you can have
the experiences again.
Are you at the point where nothing works?
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:14 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:07 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:01 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It is true, your average psychiatrist is not a biochemist or a
neurochemist. Psychiatrists are MD pill pushers with a specialization >>>> in brain pills.
Like with the theoretical physicist who know what happens in a cpu,
the rest of us don't need to understand the neurochemistry behind
antipsychotics, and maybe can't. The brain being ever so much more
complex than a cpu.
--
Noah Sombrero
Yeah regarding your last statement, it is so complex, that up to this
date no so called biochemist nor neurochemist could show in studies
how a wellbalanced (neurotransmitterwise) brain looks like if you want
to believe in the imbalance theory which is basis fur drug treatments!
So comming back to the dopamintheory of sz if the imbalance theory and
the involved drug are of reality some might think the nl's immideatly
entering the neuronal gaps and so blocking the dopamin and so
"rebalancing" the brain should also lead to an immediate annihilation of
symptoms, but that doesn't happen, so i say , no, the drugs don't work
as intended! Do you undestand now?
Or if i come from the opposite side of thinking, i started to hear and
see things after some time again even though i was loaded with nl's up
to the brim!
Can't be, i was so brainwashed by the psychiatrists that i actually
followed their way of thinking!
But now i found some explanaition of the reality or possibly some
scientific explanation namely the prooved existance of god and the
supernatural or if you take the scientific way quantastates fo brainerve
quanta which is also shown in the effect electromagnetic therapy on the
so called symptoms of sz!
But what i always will remeber if everything else fails is the wonders i
seen especially when god or what do i know "transported" the moon about
10000km in the nighsky in one instant!
Good reason for giving up and embracing your affliction?
Because, if that is what you want, I have no doubt that the brain,
being a living thing, can find a way to rewire itself so you can have
the experiences again.
Are you at the point where nothing works?
Am 21.07.2021 um 22:33 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Or if i come from the opposite side of thinking, i started to hear and
see things after some time again even though i was loaded with nl's up
to the brim!
Now, that I understand. Could it have something to do with how you
want to believe in these experiences, seek to find explanations for
how they might have a reality of some sort?
Can't be, i was so brainwashed by the psychiatrists that i actually
followed their way of thinking!
But now i found some explanaition of the reality or possibly some
scientific explanation namely the prooved existance of god and the >supernatural or if you take the scientific way quantastates fo brainerve >quanta which is also shown in the effect electromagnetic therapy on the
so called symptoms of sz!
But what i always will remeber if everything else fails is the wonders i
seen especially when god or what do i know "transported" the moon about >10000km in the nighsky in one instant!
Because, if that is what you want, I have no doubt that the brain,
being a living thing, can find a way to rewire itself so you can have
the experiences again.
----
Noah Sombrero
Are you at the point where nothing works?
If you see in otherwordly perception an affliction that makes you suffer
you sure want to find something that works but i don't want something
that works just to please satan!
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:04 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Can't be, i was so brainwashed by the psychiatrists that i actually
followed their way of thinking!
But now i found some explanaition of the reality or possibly some
scientific explanation namely the prooved existance of god and the
supernatural or if you take the scientific way quantastates fo brainerve >>> quanta which is also shown in the effect electromagnetic therapy on the
so called symptoms of sz!
But what i always will remeber if everything else fails is the wonders i >>> seen especially when god or what do i know "transported" the moon about
10000km in the nighsky in one instant!
Good reason for giving up and embracing your affliction?
It never been an affliction in the sense i suffered from it, i didn't,
but in the sense that psychiatrists saw a problem in me seeing angels!
Because, if that is what you want, I have no doubt that the brain,
being a living thing, can find a way to rewire itself so you can have
the experiences again.
Are you at the point where nothing works?
If you see in otherwordly perception an affliction that makes you suffer
you sure want to find something that works but i don't want something
that works just to please satan!
So comming back to the dopamintheory of sz if the imbalance theory and
the involved drug are of reality some might think the nl's immideatly
entering the neuronal gaps and so blocking the dopamin and so
"rebalancing" the brain should also lead to an immediate annihilation of
symptoms, but that doesn't happen, so i say , no, the drugs don't work
as intended! Do you undestand now?
Slower than intended for a reason yet to be discovered.
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:17 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
It never been an affliction in the sense i suffered from it, i didn't,
but in the sense that psychiatrists saw a problem in me seeing angels!
I'm sure they didn't care about that. The reason to worry about
schizophrenics is the other symptoms. And life gets a lot easier for
you if you don't tell other people about your affliction.
What is your agenda? Or should i ask, do you really believe what you are >saying after i explain things understandably over and over?
Of course they cared about that bc the me seeing angels part was the
reason to diagnose me fill me up with drugs and keep me locked up,
to
specify it, immediately after my mum mentioned the angels the diagnosis
was mouthed and the pasychiatrist offered me a benzo ( a downer though i
was absolutly calm not being able to speak and barely move due to my
burnout) and he came up with the suggestion to stay in the looneybin,
maybe otherwise he would have transferreed me to a regular clinic, the >perfidity of psychiatrist and them wanting to make you suffer is shown
in an example that happenend to me though i was a compliant patient but
that special psychdoc somehow didn't like me after i showed my
middlefinger to some nurse the psychiatrist practically threw me out of
the bin
though she also noticed that i was not feeling well. Normally--
such little incidents get unnoticed or just written up in their
paperwork as some incident but that sadist jsut threw me out!
If you see in otherwordly perception an affliction that makes you suffer >>> you sure want to find something that works but i don't want something
that works just to please satan!
No it is purely in your own self interest. Part of the problem then
is that you don't have a clear idea of what your self interest really
is.
No it is not in my selfinterest, quiet to the contrary as i don'T want
to die the horrifc medicamentation death!
It never been an affliction in the sense i suffered from it, i didn't,
but in the sense that psychiatrists saw a problem in me seeing angels!
I'm sure they didn't care about that. The reason to worry about schizophrenics is the other symptoms. And life gets a lot easier for
you if you don't tell other people about your affliction.
If you see in otherwordly perception an affliction that makes you suffer
you sure want to find something that works but i don't want something
that works just to please satan!
No it is purely in your own self interest. Part of the problem then
is that you don't have a clear idea of what your self interest really
is.
I'm sure they didn't care about that. The reason to worry about
schizophrenics is the other symptoms. And life gets a lot easier for
you if you don't tell other people about your affliction.
What is your agenda? Or should i ask, do you really believe what you are saying after i explain things understandably over and over?
Of course they cared about that bc the me seeing angels part was the
reason to diagnose me fill me up with drugs and keep me locked up, to
specify it, immediately after my mum mentioned the angels the diagnosis
was mouthed and the pasychiatrist offered me a benzo ( a downer though i
was absolutly calm not being able to speak and barely move due to my
burnout) and he came up with the suggestion to stay in the looneybin,
maybe otherwise he would have transferreed me to a regular clinic, the perfidity of psychiatrist and them wanting to make you suffer is shown
in an example that happenend to me though i was a compliant patient but
that special psychdoc somehow didn't like me after i showed my
middlefinger to some nurse the psychiatrist practically threw me out of
the bin though she also noticed that i was not feeling well. Normally
such little incidents get unnoticed or just written up in their
paperwork as some incident but that sadist jsut threw me out!
The reason people who have visions cause such reactions in psychs is
that people who think they talk to god often end up feeling like they
need to do whatever god says, that they are some sort of emissary of
god's will in this world, and can start shooting people. So, yes drug
them and lock them up because there is no way to know what they will
do.
That is not something that I would expect a psychiatrist to do to a schizophrenic. Perhaps there is something I don't know. Maybe he
decided you were not a threat to society.
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:55 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:44 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
The reason people who have visions cause such reactions in psychs is
that people who think they talk to god often end up feeling like they
need to do whatever god says, that they are some sort of emissary of
god's will in this world, and can start shooting people. So, yes drug
them and lock them up because there is no way to know what they will
do.
That is a misconception and a blatant bias as it shown in studies that
so called sz'ers have almost the same rate of commitng a crime than a
regular person has!
You can research that yourself if you look at the numbers of crimes
commited by sz'ers and normal people!
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:44 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
The reason people who have visions cause such reactions in psychs is
that people who think they talk to god often end up feeling like they
need to do whatever god says, that they are some sort of emissary of
god's will in this world, and can start shooting people. So, yes drug
them and lock them up because there is no way to know what they will
do.
That is a misconception and a blatant bias as it shown in studies that
so called sz'ers have almost the same rate of commitng a crime than a
regular person has!
That is not something that I would expect a psychiatrist to do to a
schizophrenic. Perhaps there is something I don't know. Maybe he
decided you were not a threat to society.
I and others experienced such things on a daily basis, another example
of my experiences when a psychiatrist lied straigh to my face that i
would have had to pay 100.000 DM to get treated in a nondrug clinic as i found out later is not true but the insurance would have paid for such a clinic, or a fact most of the "mentally ill" have encountered over their career at least one time is when they lie to the judges regarding your tendency to selfharm or that you are a threat to others if they want to
keep you in for some obscure reason!
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:30 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
I'm sure they didn't care about that. The reason to worry about
schizophrenics is the other symptoms. And life gets a lot easier for
you if you don't tell other people about your affliction.
What is your agenda? Or should i ask, do you really believe what you are
saying after i explain things understandably over and over?
Of course they cared about that bc the me seeing angels part was the
reason to diagnose me fill me up with drugs and keep me locked up, to
specify it, immediately after my mum mentioned the angels the diagnosis
was mouthed and the pasychiatrist offered me a benzo ( a downer though i
was absolutly calm not being able to speak and barely move due to my
burnout) and he came up with the suggestion to stay in the looneybin,
maybe otherwise he would have transferreed me to a regular clinic, the
perfidity of psychiatrist and them wanting to make you suffer is shown
in an example that happenend to me though i was a compliant patient but
that special psychdoc somehow didn't like me after i showed my
middlefinger to some nurse the psychiatrist practically threw me out of
the bin though she also noticed that i was not feeling well. Normally
such little incidents get unnoticed or just written up in their
paperwork as some incident but that sadist jsut threw me out!
You might see in the not feeling well part an indicator for the
affliction and suffering due to some thing defined as "sz" but in
hindsight it was just the meds that made you feel bad, also when i take
in account a friend of mine that told me his strategy to get out of the >clinic, he said to me if the psychdoc askes you if you feel bad don't
tell them that you feel bad because then they give you more meds (higher >doses) and then you even feel worse tell them that everything is okay
and than they won't give you more and release you!
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 23:46:43 +0200, Venus as a Boy
<rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:30 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
I'm sure they didn't care about that. The reason to worry about
schizophrenics is the other symptoms. And life gets a lot easier for >>>> you if you don't tell other people about your affliction.
What is your agenda? Or should i ask, do you really believe what you are >>> saying after i explain things understandably over and over?
Of course they cared about that bc the me seeing angels part was the
reason to diagnose me fill me up with drugs and keep me locked up, to
specify it, immediately after my mum mentioned the angels the diagnosis
was mouthed and the pasychiatrist offered me a benzo ( a downer though i >>> was absolutly calm not being able to speak and barely move due to my
burnout) and he came up with the suggestion to stay in the looneybin,
maybe otherwise he would have transferreed me to a regular clinic, the
perfidity of psychiatrist and them wanting to make you suffer is shown
in an example that happenend to me though i was a compliant patient but
that special psychdoc somehow didn't like me after i showed my
middlefinger to some nurse the psychiatrist practically threw me out of
the bin though she also noticed that i was not feeling well. Normally
such little incidents get unnoticed or just written up in their
paperwork as some incident but that sadist jsut threw me out!
You might see in the not feeling well part an indicator for the
affliction and suffering due to some thing defined as "sz" but in
hindsight it was just the meds that made you feel bad, also when i take
in account a friend of mine that told me his strategy to get out of the
clinic, he said to me if the psychdoc askes you if you feel bad don't
tell them that you feel bad because then they give you more meds (higher
doses) and then you even feel worse tell them that everything is okay
and than they won't give you more and release you!
Among the rest of us, the story is that, if you are a sane person who
somehow gets stuck in an asylum, how do you get out? You do exactly
what you are told every time, immediately without complaint. A person probably would not act that way normally, but a sane person will have
the ability to act that way if he chooses to, a not sane person cannot
stick to a choice like that. If the sane person is not entirely sane,
then at least he has demonstrated that he can function in a society
composed on not particularly sane people.
When you don't tell the doc how the medication makes you feel, you
eliminate any chance of getting medication that you can be comfortable
with.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
regardless of what you think, it would be best if you don't tell us
that. And other things related to your condition. It is none of our business anyway. Not that I am complaining. I am talking about how
things go in the world for you if you tell us things like that.
--
Noah Sombrero
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >reason.
Among the rest of us, the story is that, if you are a sane person who
somehow gets stuck in an asylum, how do you get out? You do exactly
what you are told every time, immediately without complaint. A person
probably would not act that way normally, but a sane person will have
the ability to act that way if he chooses to, a not sane person cannot
stick to a choice like that. If the sane person is not entirely sane,
then at least he has demonstrated that he can function in a society
composed on not particularly sane people.
When you don't tell the doc how the medication makes you feel, you
eliminate any chance of getting medication that you can be comfortable
with.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
regardless of what you think, it would be best if you don't tell us
that. And other things related to your condition. It is none of our business anyway. Not that I am complaining. I am talking about how
things go in the world for you if you tell us things like that.
--
Noah Sombrero
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:58 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:55 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 21.07.2021 um 23:44 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
The reason people who have visions cause such reactions in psychs is
that people who think they talk to god often end up feeling like they
need to do whatever god says, that they are some sort of emissary of
god's will in this world, and can start shooting people. So, yes drug >>>> them and lock them up because there is no way to know what they will
do.
That is a misconception and a blatant bias as it shown in studies that
so called sz'ers have almost the same rate of commitng a crime than a
regular person has!
You can research that yourself if you look at the numbers of crimes
commited by sz'ers and normal people!
If the numbers of sz'ers are slightly higher, that can be explained with
the drugs cause a changing in character and nature of a person or one
could say that explains that they are actually doing crimes in the first >place because also most psychs openly admit not in our face of course
that we are practically harmless!
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good
reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
They have a reason to act the way they act, superficial it is the so
called psychiatry guild interest to keep their profession alive and earn money with that, but beneath that there might be darker interests which
i won'T go into detail!
Am 22.07.2021 um 01:18 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Initial words: loads of bullshitt written by a naive person named Noah!
Among the rest of us, the story is that, if you are a sane person who
somehow gets stuck in an asylum, how do you get out? You do exactly
what you are told every time, immediately without complaint. A person
Actually that is what all so called psychos do, but since you never been
to an asylum, i tell you reality, you get loaded with psychotropic >psychopharmaceuticals, almost 99% of the patients get so, whcih make you >irrational and prone to the nonstop harrasment of the psychiatry staff,
not all staff of course but maybe from real psychopaths that love to
torture you for the biases like noah has or other biases or maybe bc
they are just evil or simply bc years of routine and seeing not getting >anywhere with the so called help always seeing the old faces over and
over makes them some kind of hard-boiled and treat the püatients like shit.
probably would not act that way normally, but a sane person will have
the ability to act that way if he chooses to, a not sane person cannot
stick to a choice like that. If the sane person is not entirely sane,
Where you got that bias from, especially if you look at the still
compliant patients trying to get "healed" after years of nonworking >treatment?
then at least he has demonstrated that he can function in a society
composed on not particularly sane people.
When you don't tell the doc how the medication makes you feel, you
eliminate any chance of getting medication that you can be comfortable
with.
You know nothing of these kind of meds, if they don'T make you feel bad
at least they start giving you a thing like apathy, numbness and many
others that are described as negativesymptoms and are ascribed to sz but
as more and more comes to light it is shown that so called negative
symptoms are induced through so called meds!
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good
reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
They have a reason to act the way they act, superficial it is the so
called psychiatry guild interest to keep their profession alive and earn >money with that, but beneath that there might be darker interests which
i won'T go into detail!
regardless of what you think, it would be best if you don't tell us
that. And other things related to your condition. It is none of our
business anyway. Not that I am complaining. I am talking about how
things go in the world for you if you tell us things like that.
Do you say so also to survivers of rape and childabuse, to hush hush and >don'T tell the police or anybody!
----
Noah Sombrero
Am 22.07.2021 um 01:43 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good
reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
They have a reason to act the way they act, superficial it is the so
called psychiatry guild interest to keep their profession alive and
earn money with that, but beneath that there might be darker interests
which i won'T go into detail!
Even if there would be such a thing that needs to get healed there are methods that work a milion times more effective but are dismissed by mainstreampsychiatry! That should the avarage "psycho" make at least
start to think that there's something wrong with the standard psychiatry!
Absolutely tell the police, or your best friend who always listens and
tries to help. Otherwise, nobody.
Am 22.07.2021 um 01:51 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
Am 22.07.2021 um 01:43 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>> reason. If you say that they do, we don't believe you. So,
They have a reason to act the way they act, superficial it is the so
called psychiatry guild interest to keep their profession alive and
earn money with that, but beneath that there might be darker interests
which i won'T go into detail!
Even if there would be such a thing that needs to get healed there are
methods that work a milion times more effective but are dismissed by
mainstreampsychiatry! That should the avarage "psycho" make at least
start to think that there's something wrong with the standard psychiatry!
Okay for details it is the therpay form of "open dialogue" where there's
a healing rate of about 85% of patients without the help of so called
meds, opposed to a healing rate of 0% in standrd psychiatry, when you
don't take the 33% of sz'ers in account who are thought of as the
percantage which the sickness stops naturally! And espacially when you >compare that to the standard psychiatry, with open dialogue, you don'T
have the suicides, the death by sideeffects and disabling effects of so >called meds!
Am 22.07.2021 um 01:52 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Absolutely tell the police, or your best friend who always listens and
tries to help. Otherwise, nobody.
If we would tell nobody especially not the public or the media it would
be for eternity buiseness as usual
and we would die and be tortured as i
told in the other posts, police gives a shit if some approved authority
tells you: nothing to see, please move on!
It is not so good for dealing with diagnosable conditions like
schizophrenia, paranoia, psychopathology, narcissism, which tend to be genetic and incurable. Or so I am told.
If we would tell nobody especially not the public or the media it would
be for eternity buiseness as usual
It would be you living the best life you can without people treating
you like they think you are nuts. Best for you if they don't treat
you that way.
and we would die and be tortured as i
told in the other posts, police gives a shit if some approved authority
tells you: nothing to see, please move on!
I was thinking more of the rape, and abuse situations.
So don't tell them, that leaves only your friend.
Am 22.07.2021 um 02:09 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
If we would tell nobody especially not the public or the media it would
be for eternity buiseness as usual
It would be you living the best life you can without people treating
you like they think you are nuts. Best for you if they don't treat
you that way.
Yeah even Jesus had the phariseans or whoever mocked him!
and we would die and be tortured as i
told in the other posts, police gives a shit if some approved authority
tells you: nothing to see, please move on!
I was thinking more of the rape, and abuse situations.
So don't tell them, that leaves only your friend.
No i could start to get some kind of suspicious about you thinking that
you condone our suicides, deaths by sideffects, and disabilitites caused
by the meds.
Am 22.07.2021 um 02:35 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Different situation. For any of those, find somebody who can make a
difference and start talking. In that case, you would have three
things, the person who listens, and the person who can actually make
things happen, and nobody else treating you like you are nuts.
Group therapy might serve as the person who can make a difference.
Maybe.
to late for your explanations i identified you as an enemy!
Different situation. For any of those, find somebody who can make a difference and start talking. In that case, you would have three
things, the person who listens, and the person who can actually make
things happen, and nobody else treating you like you are nuts.
Group therapy might serve as the person who can make a difference.
Maybe.
Am 22.07.2021 um 02:09 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
If we would tell nobody especially not the public or the media it would
be for eternity buiseness as usual
It would be you living the best life you can without people treating
you like they think you are nuts. Best for you if they don't treat
you that way.
Yeah even Jesus had the phariseans or whoever mocked him!
and we would die and be tortured as i
told in the other posts, police gives a shit if some approved authority
tells you: nothing to see, please move on!
I was thinking more of the rape, and abuse situations.
So don't tell them, that leaves only your friend.
No i could start to get some kind of suspicious about you thinking that
you condone our suicides, deaths by sideffects, and disabilitites caused
by the meds.
Am 21.07.2021 um 17:55 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
You need to understand what messenger rna is. Not the same thing as
dna, for instance. Go to university and learn some biology. Now that >>> it appears you can be rational.
Not so that you can expose yourself to scientific indoctrinating if
that worries you. It is so you can recognize snake oil merchants when
you see them. Snake oil is a much larger risk.
--
Noah Sombrero
I went to google university some minutes ago, and as it seems regarding
the other post, an "irrational" thought is becoming reality:
https://www.newsy-today.com/human-cells-can-convert-rna-sequences-into-dna-study-finds/
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good
reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good
reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good
reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
Mind-scientists, psyche-folk and brain-scientists
might be compared in some Ways to how surgery
was very rudimentary back in the daze.
Maybe 20 years ago Feyman diagrams and CPU design
were understood by fewer physicists and other
scientists working on and with computers.
Perhaps 20 years from now mRNA, DNA and chemicals
found among brain-cells will remain unknown ore knots.
Could be in some cultures some people who experience
being God, the Universe or fear, paranoia and see what
might be called roar shocking blots in their mind sigh.
Like butterflies and hypercubes, metamorphisms vary.
Petrologists may get the rubric and know how things go.
- and arghh ... Cheers!
Unclear sentence.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good
reason.
one wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>reason.
Many roads to many hells are paved with good intentions.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>reason.
What was seen as being good, for thousands of years,
is now seen as being evil, unjust, absurd, naturally.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
Mind-scientists, psyche-folk and brain-scientists
might be compared in some Ways to how surgery
was very rudimentary back in the daze.
Maybe 20 years ago Feyman diagrams and CPU design
were understood by fewer physicists and other
scientists working on and with computers.
Physical science, materialism, reductionism works to a point.
Shared reality, consensus reality, might be deemed all there is
by physicalists or materialists and insist their reality is the
one and only one naturally. If it can't be measured
then it doesn't exist, for some people.
Perhaps 20 years from now mRNA, DNA and chemicals
found among brain-cells will remain unknown ore knots.
Could be in some cultures some people who experience
being God, the Universe or fear, paranoia and see what
might be called roar shocking blots in their mind sigh.
Like butterflies and hypercubes, metamorphisms vary.
Petrologists may get the rubric and know how things go.
- and arghh ... Cheers!
Paranormal phenomena exist.
An expression expresses an odd feature--
of some realities for some people at some times.
For those having had some experiences
no explanation is necessary and, for those not
having had some experiences no explanation is possible.
When someone sees evil as existing in some otherone
or evil or good personified, that seer is seeing, naturally.
Having eyes to sea, one may sail.
- and oar knots
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good
reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and
the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a
nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the
recipient.
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and
the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not
help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be
useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good
reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human
faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand.
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual,
phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a
nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the >>>recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
RG is not simply obsessed/complexed/compelled. He has outed himself
as being capable of rationality. I say, take that and run with it.
- cheers!
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and
the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual,
phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a
nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the
recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
- cheers!--
aye wrote:
one wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>reason.
Many roads to many hells are paved with good intentions.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>reason.
What was seen as being good, for thousands of years,
is now seen as being evil, unjust, absurd, naturally.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
Mind-scientists, psyche-folk and brain-scientists
might be compared in some Ways to how surgery
was very rudimentary back in the daze.
Maybe 20 years ago Feyman diagrams and CPU design
were understood by fewer physicists and other
scientists working on and with computers.
Physical science, materialism, reductionism works to a point.
Shared reality, consensus reality, might be deemed all there is
by physicalists or materialists and insist their reality is the
one and only one naturally. If it can't be measured
then it doesn't exist, for some people.
Perhaps 20 years from now mRNA, DNA and chemicals
found among brain-cells will remain unknown ore knots.
Could be in some cultures some people who experience
being God, the Universe or fear, paranoia and see what
might be called roar shocking blots in their mind sigh.
Like butterflies and hypercubes, metamorphisms vary.
Petrologists may get the rubric and know how things go.
- and arghh ... Cheers!
Paranormal phenomena exist.
Such experiences can be had.
If you seek them with drugs or
meditation, no psych type will put you in a hospital for having
visions.
But the mistake humans have made over the centuries however the
experience was generated, was that the experiencer knows what the
experience means, what it's significance is, and that the feeling of
ultimate reality that comes with it is not illusory, the thought of
illusion does not occur to them.
An expression expresses an odd feature
of some realities for some people at some times.
For those having had some experiences
no explanation is necessary and, for those not
having had some experiences no explanation is possible.
When someone sees evil as existing in some otherone
or evil or good personified, that seer is seeing, naturally.
Having eyes to sea, one may sail.
- and oar knots
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and >>>>the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not
help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be >>useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good
reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human
faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand.
Lesser folk? Really?
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual, >>>phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>>>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a >>>>nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the >>>>recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
RG is not simply obsessed/complexed/compelled. He has outed himself
as being capable of rationality. I say, take that and run with it.
Being naive, trusting an authority figure who
asks one to be honest may prove to be unwise.
Could be experience has proven to RG a thing or three.--
- cheers!
On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:02:43 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and >>>>>the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not >>>help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be >>>useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good
reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human
faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand.
Lesser folk? Really?
Looking for a word. Non-phd?
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual, >>>>phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>>>>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a >>>>>nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the >>>>>recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
RG is not simply obsessed/complexed/compelled. He has outed himself
as being capable of rationality. I say, take that and run with it.
Being naive, trusting an authority figure who
asks one to be honest may prove to be unwise.
Certain people are in positions of public trust, policemen, doctors,
lawyers, psychiatrists. It is not that they ask for trust. It is
that we trust them with our lives, our fortunes, our brains because
there is no better choice.
--Could be experience has proven to RG a thing or three.
- cheers!
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and
the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not. But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a
nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the
recipient.
--
Noah Sombrero
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and >>>>>the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not >>>help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be >>>useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good
reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human
faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand.
Lesser folk? Really?
Looking for a word. Non-phd?
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual, >>>>phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>>>>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a >>>>>nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the >>>>>recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
RG is not simply obsessed/complexed/compelled. He has outed himself
as being capable of rationality. I say, take that and run with it.
Being naive, trusting an authority figure who
asks one to be honest may prove to be unwise.
Certain people are in positions of public trust, policemen, doctors,
lawyers, psychiatrists. It is not that they ask for trust. It is
that we trust them with our lives, our fortunes, our brains because
there is no better choice.
Could be experience has proven to RG a thing or three.
- cheers!
Suppose you are an innocent person falsely accused (it happens, even
falsely convicted sometimes). It means that the cops have screwed up
their public trust. You know that lawyers are often for sale to the
highest bidder, sometimes not very good at what they do, often not
likeable personally (so I am told by a cousin paralegal. I wouldn't
know).
Still your best choice is to hire the best lawyer you can afford. You
do have the right to represent yourself, but if you are not a lawyer,
you will make stupid mistakes, miss opportunities, that somebody who
has been to law school would not. Hire that lawyer.
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
aye wrote:
Noah wrote:
Unclear sentence.
Generalizations tend to generalize.
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists don't act without good >>>>>>>>>reason.
Better would be
The rest of us don't believe that psychiatrists act without good >>>>>>>>reason.
Better would be, some of you, ... ...
You being the plural of you.
As for the rest of us ... ...
Us being, Taoists who see how good and bad argh.
- aye
The contrast being between him who thinks badly of psychiatrists and >>>>>>the rest of us who don't believe that, true or not.
Us and them tend to end where two begin.
Not all head-shrinkers are all bad nor all good.
Their Ways, which are, Ways, are not always the Way, eh.
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not >>>>help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be >>>>useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good >>>>reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human
faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand.
Lesser folk? Really?
Looking for a word. Non-phd?
Degrees vary.
What letters after a name, what a certificate names, names.
Does a professor with a doctorate have a Tao, the Tao.
Can he or she navigate beyond his or her playing field.
Some head-shrinkers might stink of Zen.
Others may scoff at a thought of being able to bend
a spoon when there is no spoon given atomic physics.
Tao Chia, assuming that's a topic, has some lines, verses,
versus ways and names, beginning and going as it goes.
Each so-called, individual, may have his or her own Tao.
For a society, a culture, to say what is true, reality, actual, >>>>>phenomenal and counts could be in error, given: time beings.
But you are right
it is a generalization. There might be others who think badly of >>>>>>psychiatrists. But for keeping yourself free of being thought a >>>>>>nutcase, my suggesting seems serviceable, if not accepted by the >>>>>>recipient.
Aye. To pose as a threat is ill-advised.
Complexes vary. Some folks are obsessed.
Some are compelled. Degrees vary.
RG is not simply obsessed/complexed/compelled. He has outed himself
as being capable of rationality. I say, take that and run with it.
Being naive, trusting an authority figure who
asks one to be honest may prove to be unwise.
Certain people are in positions of public trust, policemen, doctors, >>lawyers, psychiatrists. It is not that they ask for trust. It is
that we trust them with our lives, our fortunes, our brains because
there is no better choice.
You and yours may.
As for the rest of us, authorities have our earned distrust.
Some trust their deity or deities. Some trust their own selves
as if they had or were selves, naturally, individually.
Could be experience has proven to RG a thing or three.
What does the G stand for?
- aye--
- cheers!
Noah wrote:
Suppose you are an innocent person falsely accused (it happens, even >>falsely convicted sometimes). It means that the cops have screwed up
their public trust. You know that lawyers are often for sale to the >>highest bidder, sometimes not very good at what they do, often not
likeable personally (so I am told by a cousin paralegal. I wouldn't
know).
Still your best choice is to hire the best lawyer you can afford. You
do have the right to represent yourself, but if you are not a lawyer,
you will make stupid mistakes, miss opportunities, that somebody who
has been to law school would not. Hire that lawyer.
For you, speaking of you, personally,
that might be your best choice, naturally.
Speaking of what is best for one, one may
ponder various povs, realities and one could be
spending time in a cell with food and shelter
is the best bet, naturally, on the Road.
As for me, not being entirely guilty at times of breaking,
and at the same time guilty of some demeanor, a law
as a rule, jail was a good option, the best.
Time served has served a purpose, at times.
- prison may be a different story ...
Some head-shrinkers might stink of Zen.
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
And when dealing with somebody who says they are all bad, it does not >>>>>help to remind them that some are better than others. But it might be >>>>>useful to say that they as a group don't tend to act without good >>>>>reason. Like profs, though, they are human and will have human >>>>>faults. And sometimes have reasons that lesser folk don't understand. >>>>Lesser folk? Really?
Looking for a word. Non-phd?
Still looking for a word. Non-professional?
Could be experience has proven to RG a thing or three.
What does the G stand for?
RainbowGuardian. He used to call himself that. He still uses that in
his email address.
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
Suppose you are an innocent person falsely accused (it happens, even >>>falsely convicted sometimes). It means that the cops have screwed up >>>their public trust. You know that lawyers are often for sale to the >>>highest bidder, sometimes not very good at what they do, often not >>>likeable personally (so I am told by a cousin paralegal. I wouldn't >>>know).
Still your best choice is to hire the best lawyer you can afford. You
do have the right to represent yourself, but if you are not a lawyer,
you will make stupid mistakes, miss opportunities, that somebody who
has been to law school would not. Hire that lawyer.
For you, speaking of you, personally,
that might be your best choice, naturally.
Speaking of what is best for one, one may
ponder various povs, realities and one could be
spending time in a cell with food and shelter
is the best bet, naturally, on the Road.
As for me, not being entirely guilty at times of breaking,
and at the same time guilty of some demeanor, a law
as a rule, jail was a good option, the best.
Time served has served a purpose, at times.
- prison may be a different story ...
Right, if the jailtime will be up soon, you might choose to keep what
little money you have and plead guilty. Maybe.
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
Suppose you are an innocent person falsely accused (it happens, even >>>>falsely convicted sometimes). It means that the cops have screwed up >>>>their public trust. You know that lawyers are often for sale to the >>>>highest bidder, sometimes not very good at what they do, often not >>>>likeable personally (so I am told by a cousin paralegal. I wouldn't >>>>know).
Still your best choice is to hire the best lawyer you can afford. You >>>>do have the right to represent yourself, but if you are not a lawyer, >>>>you will make stupid mistakes, miss opportunities, that somebody who >>>>has been to law school would not. Hire that lawyer.
For you, speaking of you, personally,
that might be your best choice, naturally.
Speaking of what is best for one, one may
ponder various povs, realities and one could be
spending time in a cell with food and shelter
is the best bet, naturally, on the Road.
As for me, not being entirely guilty at times of breaking,
and at the same time guilty of some demeanor, a law
as a rule, jail was a good option, the best.
Time served has served a purpose, at times.
- prison may be a different story ...
Right, if the jailtime will be up soon, you might choose to keep what >>little money you have and plead guilty. Maybe.
Reminds me of a time, riding bikes, getting a ticket
for speeding on the open Road, two of us went to court.
Before going, we doubled back to see where the nearest
posted speed limit sign was and found it was several miles
from where we were cited for exceeding that posted limit.
We were not in violation of any basic speed law. In fact
our riding was very conservative as we were aware of
exactly how fast we were going assuming we were
well within the state's basic speed law of safety.
Be that as it may, appearing before a judge, my friend
pleaded no contest and took traffic school as a result.
When my turn arrived while my plea was the same, an
explanation as to exactly what was going on failed
to impress the judge and so it was, traffic school as well.
Some authorities might go by the Book, the Letter as it were.
Some are more in tune with what's called the Spirit.
Whether spirits exist or the Spirit might be
a question beyond the realm of higher education,
beyond physical science and experimentation.
- measures vary
They are just some transistors etc., yes the modern cpu's are quiet
complex but they also started small and on these small units where
placed other parts and so forth until they became so big, if someone
without university degree would be interested to build a cpu he for sure
would start with the old 8086 cpu's or even older cpu's and look what
they have added to these cpu's and so could probably build his own if he
liked! As i said they are just complex arrays of transistors and shit!
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
--
Noah Sombrero
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was
educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he
visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of
electronics and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's
he was so good at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU
circuits and finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university
seminars but something like a community school). That was some 40
years ago or so when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious
about Computers that he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC
together, which then where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he
understood the CPU's circuits and basic electronics so well that he
could have build basic cpu's.
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand
the world!
For clarification the 8086 pc project came a few years later!
Am 21.07.2021 um 21:45 schrieb Noah Sombrero:
They are just some transistors etc., yes the modern cpu's are quiet
complex but they also started small and on these small units where
placed other parts and so forth until they became so big, if someone
without university degree would be interested to build a cpu he for sure >>> would start with the old 8086 cpu's or even older cpu's and look what
they have added to these cpu's and so could probably build his own if he >>> liked! As i said they are just complex arrays of transistors and shit!
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
--
Noah Sombrero
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was
educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of electronics
and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's he was so good
at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU circuits and
finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university seminars but
something like a community school). That was some 40 years ago or so
when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious about Computers that
he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC together, which then
where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he understood the CPU's
circuits and basic electronics so well that he could have build basic
cpu's.
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the world!
Am 23.07.2021 um 13:02 schrieb Venus as a Boy:
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was
educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he
visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of
electronics and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's
he was so good at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU
circuits and finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university
seminars but something like a community school). That was some 40
years ago or so when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious
about Computers that he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC
together, which then where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he
understood the CPU's circuits and basic electronics so well that he
could have build basic cpu's.
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand
the world!
For clarification the 8086 pc project came a few years later!
Addendum the PC project took so long to finnish, because the parts were
so expensive then, that my father had to "smuggle" them out of Siemens >Electronics iow steal them, that we never finnished the PC because after
some time this 8086 PC was outdated and PC's became available on the
market for a reasonable price!
schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was
educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he >visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of electronics
and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's he was so good
at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU circuits and
finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university seminars but
something like a community school). That was some 40 years ago or so
when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious about Computers that
he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC together, which then
where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he understood the CPU's
circuits and basic electronics so well that he could have build basic cpu's.
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the >world!
one wrote:
When my turn arrived while my plea was the same, an
explanation as to exactly what was going on failed
to impress the judge and so it was, traffic school as well.
Yes, in such situations give enough information to answer questions.
No more. This is stock lawyerly advice, I understand. Volunteer
nothing.
Some authorities might go by the Book, the Letter as it were.
Some are more in tune with what's called the Spirit.
Whether spirits exist or the Spirit might be
a question beyond the realm of higher education,
beyond physical science and experimentation.
- measures vary
True. My point was, that faulted as they are, the professional is
still your best choice. If nothing else, you might not know when to
shut up.
Courtrooms are often not a good place to find justice. That is why it
takes a skillful lawyer to get you unscathed out the front door.
Or as some might say, a trial is a contest to see who has the best
lawyer. So, you do want the best you can get. Prison is no joke.
Your feeling of self satisfaction might fade, at having told that
judge what you thought, when the cell block bully wants you to be his >girlfriend.
It might also be that RG is right, asylums are not good places to find >sanity.
It could even be true that it might be even difficult to find a decent
life if you don't have the personal traits (within certain limits)
that other people expect. Maybe.
Addendum the PC project took so long to finnish, because the parts were
so expensive then, that my father had to "smuggle" them out of Siemens >Electronics iow steal them, that we never finnished the PC because after
some time this 8086 PC was outdated and PC's became available on the
market for a reasonable price!
Noah wrote:
We were talking 20 years ago. The 8086 was 40 years ago. Even then,
he did not invent it. He only learned how to make one, at school and
then at work.
Pioneers might be called pioneers for a reason.
At first, perhaps, in some fields, no one understands what a
trail-blazer is talking about. Private languages vary.
Feynman reinvented mathematics using his own symbology.
He realized that if he wanted to communicate, then, to use
what was being used could facilitate that desire.
Newton and Leibniz might have gone to school, then to work
on creating a means of expression as did Copernicus, Galileo,
Kepler, da Vince and others, or not.
Once a revolution in thought occurs, when a paradigm shifts,--
what was unknown may drift and then suddenly everyone
and every one, each and every so-called individual
knows the new game plan that was unknown,
except the ones that dew knots.
- being for a limited time time beings ...
Venus as a Boy wrote:
schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was
educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he >>visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of electronics
and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's he was so good
at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU circuits and
finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university seminars but >>something like a community school). That was some 40 years ago or so
when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious about Computers that
he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC together, which then
where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he understood the CPU's >>circuits and basic electronics so well that he could have build basic cpu's. >>
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the >>world!
Agree. Totally.
My father built telescopes for fun.
He didn't need to be educated by an institution
with walls and professors in a class-room setting.
A friend of mine probated an estate of his parents
without being a lawyer. He simply took the time to learn
on his own, what needed to be done to be acceptable.
Another friend of mine restores cars, for fun.
He didn't learn how by going to school.
Lots of examples can be given where people don't need
to go to a university to understand various phenomena.
A way is a way and yet might not be the only way.
Noah is an interesting conversationalist.
He is rational enough to make sense and generally
speaking is pleasant enough to not offend me
as he generalizes given his Way with words.
- thanks to the both of you! Cheers!--
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
When my turn arrived while my plea was the same, an
explanation as to exactly what was going on failed
to impress the judge and so it was, traffic school as well.
Yes, in such situations give enough information to answer questions.
No more. This is stock lawyerly advice, I understand. Volunteer
nothing.
To plead no contest may differ from admitting guilt.
We didn't have computers during that time. At present,
finding out if the posted speed limit applies for a number
of miles might be found, if one had the desire to sew dew.
Some authorities might go by the Book, the Letter as it were.
Some are more in tune with what's called the Spirit.
Whether spirits exist or the Spirit might be
a question beyond the realm of higher education,
beyond physical science and experimentation.
- measures vary
True. My point was, that faulted as they are, the professional is
still your best choice. If nothing else, you might not know when to
shut up.
Generally speaking, when you say, your,
as in, your best choice, you might mean, you.
An odd feature of Tao Chia is how ways are ways.
A way can be the way, but not necessarily always.
For some people, perhaps most people, professional help
might be the best help if they can afford it and if they
don't have the tools or inclination to be a DIYer.
Lots of people don't go to schools and do very well.
Many are capable of learning on their own and
doing on their own, naturally.
Courtrooms are often not a good place to find justice. That is why it >>takes a skillful lawyer to get you unscathed out the front door.
Many innocent people might be advised to know
when to hold, fold, walk away or fight. Cutting a deal works
for some people some times. Others might fight for a principle.
Many appeal, lose, appeal and lose again, and again.
Eventually some laws change at times.
Or as some might say, a trial is a contest to see who has the best
lawyer. So, you do want the best you can get. Prison is no joke.
Your feeling of self satisfaction might fade, at having told that
judge what you thought, when the cell block bully wants you to be his >>girlfriend.
When you are a victim, you are, personally.
You appear to be a generalist, generally and
make your points such as you point to them.
When one is the block bully then, a tale shifts a bit.
When one is an uncarved block locked in a single cell
one may find solitude in solitary as a being in solitude.
A myth may suggest caves can be good--
places to meditate as well as going spelunking.
It might also be that RG is right, asylums are not good places to find >>sanity.
Cultures may cope and try to quote,
fix things, which to that culture appear broke.
It could even be true that it might be even difficult to find a decent
life if you don't have the personal traits (within certain limits)
that other people expect. Maybe.
- aye. agree. Thanks!
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the
world!
Agree. Totally.
My father built telescopes for fun.
But he did not invent the idea of how lenses can be shaped for
different purposes and fit together for other purposes.
We were talking 20 years ago. The 8086 was 40 years ago. Even then,
he did not invent it. He only learned how to make one, at school and
then at work.
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
We were talking 20 years ago. The 8086 was 40 years ago. Even then,
he did not invent it. He only learned how to make one, at school and >>>then at work.
Pioneers might be called pioneers for a reason.
At first, perhaps, in some fields, no one understands what a
trail-blazer is talking about. Private languages vary.
Feynman reinvented mathematics using his own symbology.
He realized that if he wanted to communicate, then, to use
what was being used could facilitate that desire.
Newton and Leibniz might have gone to school, then to work
on creating a means of expression as did Copernicus, Galileo,
Kepler, da Vince and others, or not.
Notice that school is part of the equation.
It might be that for
early inventors, it was enough to think of a simple better way that
nobody else was seeing.
Not enough any more for many things, although
there is still room for that simple good idea. They remain as rare as
ever.
schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the >>>> world!
Agree. Totally.
My father built telescopes for fun.
But he did not invent the idea of how lenses can be shaped for
different purposes and fit together for other purposes.
Read the other post by one/aye where he elaborated that, someone had to
be the first to invent/come to conclusions about things, and this one
had no physical teacher but maybe....
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Noah wrote:
We were talking 20 years ago. The 8086 was 40 years ago. Even then, >>>>he did not invent it. He only learned how to make one, at school and >>>>then at work.
Pioneers might be called pioneers for a reason.
At first, perhaps, in some fields, no one understands what a
trail-blazer is talking about. Private languages vary.
Feynman reinvented mathematics using his own symbology.
He realized that if he wanted to communicate, then, to use
what was being used could facilitate that desire.
Newton and Leibniz might have gone to school, then to work
on creating a means of expression as did Copernicus, Galileo,
Kepler, da Vince and others, or not.
Notice that school is part of the equation.
Was it?
I don't know, personally, about the above,
how much schooling they had prior to
putting their minds to a task.
Is school part of the equation?
Is it always? For all people?
When people began to shrink transistors
using quantum mechanics and knowing how
electrons tunnel and circuits work, exactly
how few or many knew, I don't know.
You know you were told something.
Some professor made an assertion.
For me to question authority is logical.
To use authority as a premise is not as sound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
<< Though he had almost no formal training in pure mathematics, he
made substantial contributions
to mathematical analysis, number
theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions
to mathematical problems then considered unsolvable. Ramanujan
initially developed his own mathematical research in isolation: >>
His muse was metaphysical, Namagiri Thayar.
Did she exist? Does she? Was she a mere figment? Is she?
It might be that for
early inventors, it was enough to think of a simple better way that
nobody else was seeing.
Such as, using a rock as a hammer.
Not enough any more for many things, although
there is still room for that simple good idea. They remain as rare as >>ever.
Perhaps.
Then again, maybe more inventions occur now than ever.
- statistics, selective perception, cognitive bias may vary--
one wrote:
Venus as a Boy wrote:
schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was >>>educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he >>>visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of electronics >>>and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's he was so good >>>at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU circuits and >>>finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university seminars but >>>something like a community school). That was some 40 years ago or so
when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious about Computers that >>>he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC together, which then
where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he understood the CPU's >>>circuits and basic electronics so well that he could have build basic cpu's. >>>
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the >>>world!
Agree. Totally.
My father built telescopes for fun.
But he did not invent the idea of how lenses can be shaped for
different purposes and fit together for other purposes.
He didn't need to be educated by an institution
with walls and professors in a class-room setting.
One way or the other, he had to learn.
A friend of mine probated an estate of his parents
without being a lawyer. He simply took the time to learn
on his own, what needed to be done to be acceptable.
Another friend of mine restores cars, for fun.
He didn't learn how by going to school.
Lots of examples can be given where people don't need
to go to a university to understand various phenomena.
A way is a way and yet might not be the only way.
Noah is an interesting conversationalist.
He is rational enough to make sense and generally
speaking is pleasant enough to not offend me
as he generalizes given his Way with words.
You are kind.
- thanks to the both of you! Cheers!
one wrote:
You appear to be a generalist, generally and
make your points such as you point to them.
It is an unpopular position to take, but yes, I do believe there are
real patterns in real reality.
Not that they are absolute, but near
enough to be useful.
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
You appear to be a generalist, generally and
make your points such as you point to them.
It is an unpopular position to take, but yes, I do believe there are
real patterns in real reality.
Really?
What is the real pattern of Earth as it appears
to be a pale blue dot?
Does that dot orbit a yellow dot with north pointing up?
When the sun called the Sun rises, does it, really?
Is north really pointing up? Then why does the Sun rise?
Is a solid really solid? How solid is its real pattern
in the really real reality really?
How real are images printed in pixels, dots?
What perspective is the really real one and only one?
Not that they are absolute, but near
enough to be useful.
What works, works.
A pattern to one form of Life differs
from that of some other form and to say Life
is that which forms all its forms, one may.
To some minds, gods exist and to sum God is.
They see the patterns and wonder how could any
doubt exist, it's so obvious, their real reality.
- designs vary ...--
Noah wrote:
one wrote:
Venus as a Boy wrote:
schrieb Noah Sombrero:
Here is another place where you need to go to university to even
understand what you are saying.
I just take my father as an example, he never studied and only was >>>>educated as an electrician, but to get a job at Siemens Electronics he >>>>visited electronics seminars where he learned the basics of electronics >>>>and also the basics of CPU circuits studying basic CPU's he was so good >>>>at it that he even made me understand the basic CPU circuits and >>>>finnished the seminars with an A grade (Not university seminars but >>>>something like a community school). That was some 40 years ago or so >>>>when i was 10 years old, and he became so ambitious about Computers that >>>>he convinced me of weilding/building a 8086 PC together, which then >>>>where like the non plus ultra! And i am sure he understood the CPU's >>>>circuits and basic electronics so well that he could have build basic cpu's.
Conclusion: You don't have to be a wizard or a genius to understand the >>>>world!
Agree. Totally.
My father built telescopes for fun.
But he did not invent the idea of how lenses can be shaped for
different purposes and fit together for other purposes.
But he did understand how they worked.
But he didn't understand quantum theory.
But he did understand how to grind a lens.
Point being, he didn't go to a university.
He was self-educated in many Ways.
He didn't need a professional
nor an authority to inform him in various Ways.
He didn't need to be educated by an institution
with walls and professors in a class-room setting.
One way or the other, he had to learn.
Naturally, if that's the paradigm chosen to map
a phenomenon called, being able to do.
There's a Taoist tale in the Chuang-tzu about a swimmer
who took a dive into rapid water and emerged unscathed.
When asked about if he had a Tao, he said, nope.
He simply grew up around water and went with the flow.
To say, one way or the other, he had to learn
could be said. To say he needed an education
and that's in the equation, or a university or a
professor, he'd have said nope.
--A friend of mine probated an estate of his parents
without being a lawyer. He simply took the time to learn
on his own, what needed to be done to be acceptable.
Another friend of mine restores cars, for fun.
He didn't learn how by going to school.
Lots of examples can be given where people don't need
to go to a university to understand various phenomena.
A way is a way and yet might not be the only way.
Noah is an interesting conversationalist.
He is rational enough to make sense and generally
speaking is pleasant enough to not offend me
as he generalizes given his Way with words.
You are kind.
Sometimes.
I'm kinda going for a walk in a bit.
- thanks to the both of you! Cheers!
- looking forward to beer o'clock ...
It depends on what a person needs to learn.
Certainly growing up
around water helps, but many people do need to be taught to swim. And
if you are drowning, you probably won't figure it out in time. Best
bet is to learn before, and if necessary, get a teacher.
It is not our concern in any case.
Noah wrote:
It is not our concern in any case.
To be unconcerned is best, imo.
Uninvolved. Without a care is ideal.
To be concerned if an objective world exists,
independent of any and all observers can be
used by scientists given a method, it works.
Hypothetically, no scientist exists.
That would be their premise, axiomatically.
To be concerned about psychologiical states,
how really real they are for many, one could be.
What concerns me the most, on most mornings
is when beer o'clock is, after a constitutional.
Dawns dawn, pattern wise.
- thanks again! Cheers!--
Noah wrote:
It depends on what a person needs to learn.
Aye, asked my friend who was restoring a car,
when he said he needed something for it,
if he needed it or wanted it.
He said he needed it because he wanted it.
Certainly growing up
around water helps, but many people do need to be taught to swim. And
if you are drowning, you probably won't figure it out in time. Best
bet is to learn before, and if necessary, get a teacher.
Growing up, there were backyard swimming pools and
across the street three boys about my age, two a little older.
Learning to swim, I was told, hang on to the side of the pool
and go under the water. And so it was I learned to swim
under water at first and then learned to dog-paddle.
Eventually, swimming the width, then the length
of the pools under-water was easy for me.
The crawl was never my noun-thing.
Learning how to hold one's breath,
to walk and talk might take practice.
Tao Chia has several tales of how practice makes for a Tao.
To think an education is part of the equation, a university
education, with walls, a room full of students and professors
who profess what they learned, a thinker might.
I liked going to school as an adult.
It was fun. And so it went.
- for a time being ... as an eternal being ...--
one wrote:
To some minds, gods exist and to sum God is.
They see the patterns and wonder how could any
doubt exist, it's so obvious, their real reality.
Right there is a pattern in how people get caught up in seeming
realities. Avoiding them is like threading your way through a mine
field. To do that, you need to know where the mines are. Patterns
help. But are not absolute.
- designs vary ...
one wrote:
I liked going to school as an adult.
It was fun. And so it went.
Yes, not nearly so oppressive to a child's spirit as grade school.
The
story we hear now is that grade schoolers are eager to get back to
real classrooms. Could that be so, I wonder?
one wrote:
Dawns dawn, pattern wise.
Until the day when there is no beer o'clock and the cell block bully
wants you to be his girlfriend. Do you say, is that so?
Trying to apply a Way, to find the One, a magic bullet,
one ruler to measure all things, even the Void, may not work.
Emptiness has its virtues, especially in space.
Stillness has its virtues, especially at times.
Being skeptical and relativistic, Taoism,
Taoist philosophy, has bin said two be.
- in a bamboo grove ...
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