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    From ansaman@1:229/2 to one on Tuesday, July 13, 2021 12:02:25
    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 7/13/2021 9:09 AM, one wrote:
    Doing nothing, a flower is drawn to flower
    by all the factors which draw it near to be
    no thing other than what it is, to flower.

    When something acts according to its
    nature, it is in its place.

    In that sense, Noah has repeatedly asserted
    that we are not really acting according to
    our nature and this causes suffering and
    disharmony (or that is my impression of
    what he is saying).

    They did an experiment a while back with
    baby wild turkey chicks who having never seen
    a predator or even another being of any kind
    reacted protectively when a shadow like a hawk
    was displayed.

    This hard wiring might be thought of in the
    same way that we think of firmware. Instinct drives
    almost all living things... but mankind.

    We have been overwriting our firmware with
    self-generated software and data for a very
    long time and it is our problem that we have
    done a very poor job debugging what we have written.
    We pass on the same errors to our children
    that were passed on to us, even without realizing.
    Sometimes, new ideas come along and they are
    incorporated with very little testing and
    even widely adopted with horrific results.
    On top of this we have added many tools such
    as culture, science and technology, and art and
    literature that often cloud the issue as
    much as they are useful.

    It all started with a level of awareness that
    exceeds and transcends instinct. With complex
    communication comes transmission of information,
    a spread of innovation (this is how to make fire),
    and eventually the abstract thought that takes
    us away from the here and now into the murky
    and dangerous past and future. Suffering in the
    mental sense becomes real. Mankind becomes aware
    of death in an intellectual way. Ancient religious
    thought accounts for the sacrifice that our
    animal friends make when we eat them. It progresses
    from regret to worship to ritualized slaughter
    meant to lessen the suffering of domesticated animals.
    The child asks about the thunder and we create an
    answer so we can stop them asking repeatedly. The
    child ask what happened to Grandma when she died
    and we come up with an answer or what our parents
    told us.

    We start small and accumulate incredible amounts
    of data and software. Primitive man has been shown
    to learn the turns of the seasons by observing the
    sky and then knows when to plant or when the herds
    that migrate will return. Some of the stuff is really
    useful... and some is filled with misinformation.
    The best of culture competes with the worst of culture
    in our lives.

    Then, even as we have created all this new software,
    the firmware persists and creates real problems. Drives
    for sex, drives for aggression, drives for fear of
    outsiders, drives for accumulation of material goods
    and food sometimes clash with other drives such as
    cooperation and compassion. The underlying anxiety
    in our firmware is multiplied. What used to protect
    us and drive us makes us miserable.

    YET, I assert that as complex and difficult as this
    this problem is, it is indeed part of the normal
    course of things and given the span of time, everything
    we have achieved in the last 100,000 years and all
    the difficulties we have had are a mere teaspoon in
    the river of time. Things will keep changing. We
    cannot know where it leads.

    --
    **The AnsaMan**

    In a recent self-evaluation:
    "One of the greatest minds
    produced since the invention
    of the electric nose picker!"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Wednesday, July 14, 2021 09:03:07
    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 05:44:11 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:

    Doing nothing, a flower is drawn to flower
    by all the factors which draw it near to be
    no thing other than what it is, to flower.

    When something acts according to its
    nature, it is in its place.

    Assuming a thing is, a place is
    and its nature is, without objection.

    Already there are three, words,
    not to mention verbs, time frames and pre-
    positions positioned within the sentence.

    A sentence sentences a thought complete.
    A boxed car in a train of thought tracked.

    Iterating and reiterating what is written below
    as an echo of sorts, one finds many, a pattern.

    Can a fractal make a mistake, one wonders.
    Equations equate. An equal sign vibrates.
    Two sides appear different, and yet are not.

    In that sense, Noah has repeatedly asserted
    that we are not really acting according to
    our nature and this causes suffering and
    disharmony (or that is my impression of
    what he is saying).

    Being able to agree, one may say, aye, agree.
    Being able to reflect and respect a pov
    a conversation can end at that.

    Maps map. Where is one going, one may ask.
    Healthy people might not visit a doctor. When
    one suffers, a solution could be sought after.

    If some one, such as Noah or any one, suffers,
    a source may be found in one's thought. Patterns
    of identification, with one's carving, creating things
    in one's mind as one's trains of thought trained one.

    They did an experiment a while back with
    baby wild turkey chicks who having never seen
    a predator or even another being of any kind
    reacted protectively when a shadow like a hawk
    was displayed.

    This hard wiring might be thought of in the
    same way that we think of firmware. Instinct drives
    almost all living things... but mankind.

    Mankind sucks, instinctually.
    Knees jerk. Rooting, moro, step, grasp, reflexes
    people are born, quantum style, of a people-wave.

    As individuals in particular, a people-wave waves
    its waves of people on the surface of a sphere.

    People tunnel, similar to other quanta,
    without being the same, as are flakes of snow.

    Water is water. Water waters.
    Its forms change to a point.
    A molecule divided is no longer water.

    We have been overwriting our firmware with
    self-generated software and data for a very
    long time and it is our problem that we have
    done a very poor job debugging what we have written.

    Seeing bugs, wabbits emerge.
    Tribbles multiply on starships far and wide.

    We pass on the same errors to our children
    that were passed on to us, even without realizing.

    Assuming errors are errors, one mite
    finds, well-carving a frog knows not an ocean.

    Sometimes, new ideas come along and they are
    incorporated with very little testing and
    even widely adopted with horrific results.

    Seeking its own level, water
    and nature may be viewed as doing
    without intent, and, reaches lowest lows
    along with highest highs.

    Exploring all Ways, ones that survive, survive.
    Natural Selection Theory might see fit if not fittest
    to presume, evolution, rather than involution.

    Being involved, energy gets.
    Energy transmits, changing forms.

    Matter matters and given an equal sign
    is not other than waves in particular.

    One mite insists, a flower is not dirt, not
    air nor water, nor a sun, the Sun, nay.

    An other one states, ah, and, sew.
    Sew an it seams. Two be. Three. Many.

    On top of this we have added many tools such
    as culture, science and technology, and art and
    literature that often cloud the issue as
    much as they are useful.

    Taking issue with tissue
    paper, some is too rough and some
    has lotion, fragrance, rips too easily or not easy enuf.

    An issue of using a map to map is its limits.
    Maps map. Maps may be of use. Territories vary.

    A chart of an electrical system or plumbing
    can be a huge help when a problem is found.

    With systems emerge systemic problems.
    Machines break. Without machines, suddenly,
    and perhaps without notice, such problems vanish.

    Seeing people as a species, as a system, one mite
    seizes at times and, like a cam or a crank loses
    strength being unable to turn around as
    planned given smoke and mirrors.

    It all started with a level of awareness that
    exceeds and transcends instinct.

    Kinda like, once upon a time ... .

    A myth-map that begins with an it might
    be picked up and carried a long for a spell.

    In depth the plot thickens.
    Captivated ears listen.

    With complex
    communication comes transmission of information,
    a spread of innovation (this is how to make fire),
    and eventually the abstract thought that takes
    us away from the here and now into the murky
    and dangerous past and future. Suffering in the
    mental sense becomes real.

    Even more real than an odd nation-state
    of mind, or a species-state, of being,
    an individual being may suffer.

    Mankind becomes aware
    of death in an intellectual way. Ancient religious
    thought accounts for the sacrifice that our
    animal friends make when we eat them.

    One wonders, me being one, personally, if, aye,
    if hungry enough would killing of near cousins be done.
    Would a live rabbit be caught, or a buffalo sought.
    Carry on, the carrion before hunting may be
    was how people managed on a scene.

    It progresses
    from regret to worship to ritualized slaughter
    meant to lessen the suffering of domesticated animals.
    The child asks about the thunder and we create an
    answer so we can stop them asking repeatedly. The
    child ask what happened to Grandma when she died
    and we come up with an answer or what our parents
    told us.

    It all started when the One, the Self began
    to play hide and seek and progressed in stages
    on stages through out history with time beings.

    We start small and accumulate incredible amounts
    of data and software. Primitive man has been shown
    to learn the turns of the seasons by observing the
    sky and then knows when to plant or when the herds
    that migrate will return. Some of the stuff is really
    useful... and some is filled with misinformation.
    The best of culture competes with the worst of culture
    in our lives.

    A war going on inside provides
    grist for a mill stone turning by ox.

    Then, even as we have created all this new software,
    the firmware persists and creates real problems. Drives
    for sex, drives for aggression, drives for fear of
    outsiders, drives for accumulation of material goods
    and food sometimes clash with other drives such as
    cooperation and compassion. The underlying anxiety
    in our firmware is multiplied. What used to protect
    us and drive us makes us miserable.

    At times, aye, one is depressed and as an old one,
    a Lao Tzu may have noticed, to leap requires a
    kind of a knee-bend, usually going without saying.

    Can one, aye, me being me, know a high
    without having bins of low plumbed in depth.

    When awareness flowers flower
    being drawn to return to the Self, the One,
    Being, Existence, Life, beyond names, what then.

    A flower mite reaches an apex and is doomed.
    Aye, to know the mountain top a top spins.
    Panoramic a view, a scene seen. Then,
    then again, and again, a down looms.

    Another dawn.
    Another day.
    Another chance.
    Hooray!

    YET, I assert that as complex and difficult as this
    this problem is, it is indeed part of the normal
    course of things and given the span of time, everything
    we have achieved in the last 100,000 years and all
    the difficulties we have had are a mere teaspoon in
    the river of time. Things will keep changing. We
    cannot know where it leads.

    Epistemologies vary.

    For me, not eating the fruit of the Tree
    of the Knowedge of good/bad can be a key.

    Even to touch its bark is to bark up the wrong Tree.
    To be right and not left, knowing both life and death.
    Sitting and forgetting, to forget and forget. Two may
    return to the One. From 10k-things back to Being and
    ultimately Nonbeing is where an it all began.

    Created as a tale t'old for a telling.
    Some explanations matter m'ore.
    Sum less. Less and less is a Way.

    Seeing how desire/suffering argh as a coin.
    A buddha mite transcends and sends blessings.
    One bugs me at times. Two times. Three and then.

    - hunting wabbits ... solutions vary ... Thanks again! Cheers!

    yes, speaking of smoke and mirrors.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From one@1:229/2 to ansaman on Wednesday, July 14, 2021 05:44:11
    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:

    Doing nothing, a flower is drawn to flower
    by all the factors which draw it near to be
    no thing other than what it is, to flower.

    When something acts according to its
    nature, it is in its place.

    Assuming a thing is, a place is
    and its nature is, without objection.

    Already there are three, words,
    not to mention verbs, time frames and pre-
    positions positioned within the sentence.

    A sentence sentences a thought complete.
    A boxed car in a train of thought tracked.

    Iterating and reiterating what is written below
    as an echo of sorts, one finds many, a pattern.

    Can a fractal make a mistake, one wonders.
    Equations equate. An equal sign vibrates.
    Two sides appear different, and yet are not.

    In that sense, Noah has repeatedly asserted
    that we are not really acting according to
    our nature and this causes suffering and
    disharmony (or that is my impression of
    what he is saying).

    Being able to agree, one may say, aye, agree.
    Being able to reflect and respect a pov
    a conversation can end at that.

    Maps map. Where is one going, one may ask.
    Healthy people might not visit a doctor. When
    one suffers, a solution could be sought after.

    If some one, such as Noah or any one, suffers,
    a source may be found in one's thought. Patterns
    of identification, with one's carving, creating things
    in one's mind as one's trains of thought trained one.

    They did an experiment a while back with
    baby wild turkey chicks who having never seen
    a predator or even another being of any kind
    reacted protectively when a shadow like a hawk
    was displayed.

    This hard wiring might be thought of in the
    same way that we think of firmware. Instinct drives
    almost all living things... but mankind.

    Mankind sucks, instinctually.
    Knees jerk. Rooting, moro, step, grasp, reflexes
    people are born, quantum style, of a people-wave.

    As individuals in particular, a people-wave waves
    its waves of people on the surface of a sphere.

    People tunnel, similar to other quanta,
    without being the same, as are flakes of snow.

    Water is water. Water waters.
    Its forms change to a point.
    A molecule divided is no longer water.

    We have been overwriting our firmware with
    self-generated software and data for a very
    long time and it is our problem that we have
    done a very poor job debugging what we have written.

    Seeing bugs, wabbits emerge.
    Tribbles multiply on starships far and wide.

    We pass on the same errors to our children
    that were passed on to us, even without realizing.

    Assuming errors are errors, one mite
    finds, well-carving a frog knows not an ocean.

    Sometimes, new ideas come along and they are
    incorporated with very little testing and
    even widely adopted with horrific results.

    Seeking its own level, water
    and nature may be viewed as doing
    without intent, and, reaches lowest lows
    along with highest highs.

    Exploring all Ways, ones that survive, survive.
    Natural Selection Theory might see fit if not fittest
    to presume, evolution, rather than involution.

    Being involved, energy gets.
    Energy transmits, changing forms.

    Matter matters and given an equal sign
    is not other than waves in particular.

    One mite insists, a flower is not dirt, not
    air nor water, nor a sun, the Sun, nay.

    An other one states, ah, and, sew.
    Sew an it seams. Two be. Three. Many.

    On top of this we have added many tools such
    as culture, science and technology, and art and
    literature that often cloud the issue as
    much as they are useful.

    Taking issue with tissue
    paper, some is too rough and some
    has lotion, fragrance, rips too easily or not easy enuf.

    An issue of using a map to map is its limits.
    Maps map. Maps may be of use. Territories vary.

    A chart of an electrical system or plumbing
    can be a huge help when a problem is found.

    With systems emerge systemic problems.
    Machines break. Without machines, suddenly,
    and perhaps without notice, such problems vanish.

    Seeing people as a species, as a system, one mite
    seizes at times and, like a cam or a crank loses
    strength being unable to turn around as
    planned given smoke and mirrors.

    It all started with a level of awareness that
    exceeds and transcends instinct.

    Kinda like, once upon a time ... .

    A myth-map that begins with an it might
    be picked up and carried a long for a spell.

    In depth the plot thickens.
    Captivated ears listen.

    With complex
    communication comes transmission of information,
    a spread of innovation (this is how to make fire),
    and eventually the abstract thought that takes
    us away from the here and now into the murky
    and dangerous past and future. Suffering in the
    mental sense becomes real.

    Even more real than an odd nation-state
    of mind, or a species-state, of being,
    an individual being may suffer.

    Mankind becomes aware
    of death in an intellectual way. Ancient religious
    thought accounts for the sacrifice that our
    animal friends make when we eat them.

    One wonders, me being one, personally, if, aye,
    if hungry enough would killing of near cousins be done.
    Would a live rabbit be caught, or a buffalo sought.
    Carry on, the carrion before hunting may be
    was how people managed on a scene.

    It progresses
    from regret to worship to ritualized slaughter
    meant to lessen the suffering of domesticated animals.
    The child asks about the thunder and we create an
    answer so we can stop them asking repeatedly. The
    child ask what happened to Grandma when she died
    and we come up with an answer or what our parents
    told us.

    It all started when the One, the Self began
    to play hide and seek and progressed in stages
    on stages through out history with time beings.

    We start small and accumulate incredible amounts
    of data and software. Primitive man has been shown
    to learn the turns of the seasons by observing the
    sky and then knows when to plant or when the herds
    that migrate will return. Some of the stuff is really
    useful... and some is filled with misinformation.
    The best of culture competes with the worst of culture
    in our lives.

    A war going on inside provides
    grist for a mill stone turning by ox.

    Then, even as we have created all this new software,
    the firmware persists and creates real problems. Drives
    for sex, drives for aggression, drives for fear of
    outsiders, drives for accumulation of material goods
    and food sometimes clash with other drives such as
    cooperation and compassion. The underlying anxiety
    in our firmware is multiplied. What used to protect
    us and drive us makes us miserable.

    At times, aye, one is depressed and as an old one,
    a Lao Tzu may have noticed, to leap requires a
    kind of a knee-bend, usually going without saying.

    Can one, aye, me being me, know a high
    without having bins of low plumbed in depth.

    When awareness flowers flower
    being drawn to return to the Self, the One,
    Being, Existence, Life, beyond names, what then.

    A flower mite reaches an apex and is doomed.
    Aye, to know the mountain top a top spins.
    Panoramic a view, a scene seen. Then,
    then again, and again, a down looms.

    Another dawn.
    Another day.
    Another chance.
    Hooray!

    YET, I assert that as complex and difficult as this
    this problem is, it is indeed part of the normal
    course of things and given the span of time, everything
    we have achieved in the last 100,000 years and all
    the difficulties we have had are a mere teaspoon in
    the river of time. Things will keep changing. We
    cannot know where it leads.

    Epistemologies vary.

    For me, not eating the fruit of the Tree
    of the Knowedge of good/bad can be a key.

    Even to touch its bark is to bark up the wrong Tree.
    To be right and not left, knowing both life and death.
    Sitting and forgetting, to forget and forget. Two may
    return to the One. From 10k-things back to Being and
    ultimately Nonbeing is where an it all began.

    Created as a tale t'old for a telling.
    Some explanations matter m'ore.
    Sum less. Less and less is a Way.

    Seeing how desire/suffering argh as a coin.
    A buddha mite transcends and sends blessings.
    One bugs me at times. Two times. Three and then.

    - hunting wabbits ... solutions vary ... Thanks again! Cheers!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)