From: scott.rudy@vert.synchro.net.remove-n5c-this

I read something that starting in 2020 Intel will not support something because
the bigger hard drives do not support the way older versions of pc bios used. will a person still be able to run 16 bit door prograns on software programs like synchronet or
will new computers not even be capable of that even when running it on virtual box, etc. using a 32 bit operating system.

thank you,

scott
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From: nelgin@EOTLBBS.remove-m1y-this

To: Scott Rudy
Scott wrote:

I read something that starting in 2020 Intel will not support something

because the bigger hard drives do not support the way older versions of pc bios
used. will a person still be able to run 16 bit door prograns on software programs like synchronet
or will new computers not even be capable of that even when running it on virtual box, etc. using a 32 bit operating system.

thank you,

I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Define "something".

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-jq1-this

To: Scott Rudy
Re: L
By: Scott Rudy to All on Sat Jan 18 2020 03:29 pm

I read something that starting in 2020 Intel will not support something because the bigger hard drives do not support the way older versions of pc bios used. will a person still be able to run 16 bit door prograns on software programs like synchronet or will new computers not even be capable of that even when running it on virtual box, etc. using a 32 bit operating system.

What is the "something"?

Bigger hard drives above a certain point (2 or 3 TB, I think, I don't remember the exact number) require a UEFI/GPT partitioning scheme if you want to use the
whole drive with one partition. Previously, hard drives were using a MBR-based
partition
scheme - Perhaps that's the "something" you're thinking of?

I could see that possibly making it difficutl to install an older OS that expects a MBR partition scheme natively on the system, but I'd think you should
still be able to install a 32-bit OS in a virtual machine and run 16-bit DOS doors that way.

Nightfox

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From: rampage@SESTAR.remove-jva-this

To: Scott Rudy
Re: L
By: Scott Rudy to All on Sat Jan 18 2020 15:29:32

I read something that starting in 2020 Intel will not support
something because the bigger hard drives do not support the way
older versions of pc bios used.

sounds like you're talking about the removal of "Legacy BIOS support from UEFI"
which started back in 2017... i used the following search based on your text...

https://www.google.com/search?q=intel+2020+not+supporting

will a person still be able to run 16 bit door prograns on
software programs like synchronet or will new computers not
even be capable of that even when running it on virtual box,
etc. using a 32 bit operating system.

if the OSes provide a way for those legacy systems to run, then doors and older
programs won't even know the difference... the host system is the one that matters for this... VMs and the like will still do what they do since they don't even use the
hardware BIOS at all... a true virtual machine emulates the entire system, CPU,
BIOS, GPU, etc...


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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-70n-this

To: Rampage
Re: L
By: Rampage to Scott Rudy on Sun Jan 19 2020 07:26 am

since they don't even use the hardware BIOS at all... a true virtual machine emulates the entire system, CPU, BIOS, GPU, etc...

Most VM software I've seen these days can provide an Intel CPU pass-through to the actual CPU so that it doesn't have to emulate the CPU, which provides a speed boost (compared to emulating a CPU). Most Intel processors these days have virtualization
support (which you can toggle on/off in the BIOS) to support that.

For Android software development, I've also seen Android virtual machines that can be configured to use an Intel CPU so that the Android VM can run faster on Intel PCs, rather than emulating an ARM processor.

Nightfox

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-qpr-this

To: Nightfox
Re: L
By: Nightfox to Rampage on Sun Jan 19 2020 12:33 pm

For Android software development, I've also seen Android virtual machines that can be configured to use an Intel CPU so that the Android VM can run faster on Intel PCs, rather than emulating an ARM processor.

Android supports x86 processors natively, so I'm not clear why you need a VM (to emulate an ARM processor). Maybe just older versions of Android?

digital man

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-uos-this

To: Nightfox

On 01-18-20 22:19, Nightfox wrote to Scott Rudy <=-

Bigger hard drives above a certain point (2 or 3 TB, I think, I don't remember the exact number) require a UEFI/GPT partitioning scheme if
you want to use the whole drive with one partition. Previously, hard drives were using a MBR-based partition scheme - Perhaps that's the "something" you're thinking of?

I have a suspicion you're right. :)

I could see that possibly making it difficutl to install an older OS
that expects a MBR partition scheme natively on the system, but I'd
think you should still be able to install a 32-bit OS in a virtual
machine and run 16-bit DOS doors that way.

Agree. I don't see any reason you couldn't use a VM to run a 16 bit OS like DOS. The guest OS won't see the UEFI/GPT partitioning. It will only see the MBR partitioning on its virtual disks.


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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-8mu-this

To: Digital Man
Re: L
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Jan 20 2020 03:55 pm

For Android software development, I've also seen Android virtual
machines that can be configured to use an Intel CPU so that the
Android VM can run faster on Intel PCs, rather than emulating an ARM
processor.

Android supports x86 processors natively, so I'm not clear why you need a VM (to emulate an ARM processor). Maybe just older versions of Android?

There are situations where you may need to include native-compiled libraries with an Android app (mainly for speed), using the Android NDK: https://developer.android.com/ndk
Native-built libraries for Android can be developed using C++, and since they're native-compiled, specific versions would need to be built separately for ARM and for Intel (and for whatever other processor may be included in an Android device). For
testing, it can sometimes be useful to use an Android VM to emulate an Android device with an ARM processor.

To my knowledge, most Android devices on the market use an ARM processor. I remember Intel trying to get into mobile devices several years ago, but it seems they didn't have much success with it.

Nightfox

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-pda-this

To: Daryl Stout

On 01-21-20 23:06, Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

Tony,

... Wedding rings: The world's smallest handcuffs.

Honeymoon: The period between "I DO" and "YOU'D BETTER". :P

Hahaha! :D


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From: the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-sbm-this

To: Tony Langdon

Hahaha! :D

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I like that one too. :-P

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From: daryl.stout@1:19/33.remove-3k7-this

To: TONY LANGDON
Tony,

... Wedding rings: The world's smallest handcuffs.

Honeymoon: The period between "I DO" and "YOU'D BETTER". :P

Hahaha! :D

It's also where the groom was so nervous, that he asked the preacher
"Is it kisstomary to cuss the bride??".

The preacher said "Not yet...but, soon". <G>

Daryl


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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-ry0-this

To: Daryl Stout

On 02-12-20 21:03, Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

Tony,

... Wedding rings: The world's smallest handcuffs.

Honeymoon: The period between "I DO" and "YOU'D BETTER". :P

Hahaha! :D

It's also where the groom was so nervous, that he asked the preacher
"Is it kisstomary to cuss the bride??".

The preacher said "Not yet...but, soon". <G>

As you do. :D


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From: daryl.stout@1:19/33.remove-bkv-this

To: TONY LANGDON
Tony,

... Wedding rings: The world's smallest handcuffs.

Honeymoon: The period between "I DO" and "YOU'D BETTER". :P

Hahaha! :D

It's also where the groom was so nervous, that he asked the preacher "Is it kisstomary to cuss the bride??".

The preacher said "Not yet...but, soon". <G>

As you do. :D

My deal was that I put her engagement ring (which we got at a local
store that was going out of business, for $25), her wedding ring, and my wedding ring, all on her finger. I'm just about to blurt out "WHERE THE
HELL IS THE OTHER ONE??!". I had never been married before, and didn't
know how this worked.

The Good Lord is so wise. The preacher said "Um.....you're not
supposed to put all the rings on her finger!!"...to which I yelled out
"OOPS!!" -- I was so embarrassed. I nearly said "With this ring, I Thee Bed"...I really would've had my butt in the sling if I had done that. :P

At our bridal shower, she wanted both the men and women there, which
was fine with me. The best part was that they were giving the new couple
to be, advice...but no one would sign their names. Here are the top 3,
from last to first:

3. Janice shouldn't be the only one with dishpan hands.

Now, after working for Burger King for 5 years, I was no stranger to
doing dishes, taking out trash, cleaning toilets, etc. I've known men
who've said "housecleaning is a woman's job".

2. Daryl, pray for The Second Coming (of Jesus Christ). Jan...pray that
it is soon. <G>

1. Violets are purple. Roses are red. When Daryl is blue...Jan, head for
the bed!! <BG>

The preacher's wife, a natural blonde, and myself, were as red as
tomatoes. Everyone was laughing so hard that they didn't hear me say
"Oh, $h!+"!! Janice said "He's turning a much brighter shade of pink
than he normally does"!! I was never so embarrassed in all my life!! :P

Daryl


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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-vnk-this

To: Daryl Stout

On 02-13-20 13:24, Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

Now, after working for Burger King for 5 years, I was no stranger to doing dishes, taking out trash, cleaning toilets, etc. I've known men who've said "housecleaning is a woman's job".

True, I used to do work as a kitchenhand many years ago, so no stranger to washing dishes either.

2. Daryl, pray for The Second Coming (of Jesus Christ). Jan...pray that
it is soon. <G>

Oh dear.

1. Violets are purple. Roses are red. When Daryl is blue...Jan, head
for the bed!! <BG>

ROFL!!! :D


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From: don.lowery@1:340/1000.remove-vnk-this

To: Daryl Stout

wedding ring, all on her finger. I'm just about to blurt out "WHERE THE HELL IS THE OTHER ONE??!". I had never been married before, and didn't know how this worked.

We ended up going to her parents house to where I could ask her father to
marry her. Was so nervous that he looked me in the eye & asked me if I wanted just the hand or all of her. In my mind...thought he said no. I blush easy & was looking for a way to go hide...while everyone was laughing...including
her. Looking at me...she said...ya gonna answer him? Are you interested in my hand or the rest of me? Finally...said all of her when my mind figured out
what was happening.

The preacher's wife, a natural blonde, and myself, were as red as tomatoes. Everyone was laughing so hard that they didn't hear me say
"Oh, $h!+"!! Janice said "He's turning a much brighter shade of pink
than he normally does"!! I was never so embarrassed in all my life!! :P

Want embarrassment...we lived 2 hours away & were staying with her
grandmother. She lived in a big house...so they had the room a few weeks
after we got married. Going to bed after a long day...woke up the next
morning & went in with everyone sitting in the kitchen. Her grandmother asked me if I'd slept good...so said yes I did. Not missing a beat...she said great...didn't hear a thing. Would've made the perfect extra on Fantastic Voyage when they all got shrunk. Couldn't find anywhere to hide from them laughing up a storm.

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