Do any of the online editors compatable with Synchronet BBS have spellcheck?
Do any of the online editors compatable with Synchronet BBS have spellcheck?
Re: Spell checker?
By: Hustler to All on Fri Apr 26 2019 10:08 am
Do any of the online editors compatable with Synchronet BBS have
spellcheck?
I think either DCT Edit or IceEdit have spell check.
I think either DCT Edit or IceEdit have spell check.
They both do, but are very slow at checking for spelling.
Perhaps at some point I'll add a spell check feature to SlyEdit if I have some time to implement it. Do you think it would be more useful to do spell checking only on demand (with a hotkey, perhaps when you're done writing a message) or after you type each word, or perhaps both? I was (letting you fix it) or give a list of possible 'correct' words to choose
Do any of the online editors compatable with Synchronet BBS have
spellcheck?
I think either DCT Edit or IceEdit have spell check.
They both do, but are very slow at checking for spelling.
Is the "list text replacements" considered spell check? If it is it doesnt do a vry goof job
That'a what I would like to see. Spell check when done typing. The misspelled work would get highlighted with the option to replace the word with a "suggested" word from a dictionary or you could fix it yourself or ignore it. The same way the editor in "Alpine" works.
Perhaps at some point I'll add a spell check feature to SlyEdit if I have some time to implement it. Do you think it would be more useful to do spell checking only on demand (with a hotkey, perhaps when you're done writing a message) or after you type each word, or perhaps both? I was thinking if it's on-demand, you could press a hotkey and it could look at each word and for ones that aren't recognized, it could highlight them (letting you fix it) or give a list of possible 'correct' words to choose from and let you choose one. If it's after you type each word, it could possibly momenterily highlight the word if it doesn't recognize the word (something similar to a red underline that's done in modern software, except text-based BBS software can't really underline words, that I know of).
Is the "list text replacements" considered spell check? If it is it doesnt do a vry goof job
How would you consider spell check to work? If it can't find just one match for a close word, it doesn't necessarily know which word you wanted to type.
yourself or ignore it. The same way the editor in "Alpine" works.
What is Alpine? Is that a BBS message editor?
What is Alpine? Is that a BBS message editor?
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
Re: Spell checker?
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Sat Apr 27 2019 03:21 pm
yourself or ignore it. The same way the editor in "Alpine" works.
What is Alpine? Is that a BBS message editor?
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used on most unix/linux systems. The newer version is called Nano. They are good examples of how a command line editor should work that also has a spell checker.
Hustler
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used onSorry to nitpick, but Pine and Pico came first, from the University of Washington. Pine (Pine is not Elm) is the email client, Pico (Pine Composer) was the editor, which worked as a standalone editor, too.
Alpine and Nano are clones of Pine/Pico - don't know if they forked from the Pine/Pico code, but they're released under GPL versus the more restrictive license Pine/Pico were released under, if memory serves.
Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used on most unix/linux systems. The newer version is called Nano. They are good examples of how a command line editor should work that also has a spell checker.
Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-
yourself or ignore it. The same way the editor in "Alpine" works.
What is Alpine? Is that a BBS message editor?
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used
on most unix/linux systems. The newer version is called Nano.
They are good examples of how a command line editor should work
that also has a spell checker.
I'm good at spelling. I suck at typing so just pointing out my typos would
make me very happy. ;-)
On 04-28-19 08:59, Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Spell checker?
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Sat Apr 27 2019 03:21 pm
yourself or ignore it. The same way the editor in "Alpine" works.
What is Alpine? Is that a BBS message editor?
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used on most unix/linux systems. The newer version is called Nano. They are good examples of how a command line editor should work that also has a spell checker.
On 04-28-19 10:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Hustler <=-
Sorry to nitpick, but Pine and Pico came first, from the University of Washington. Pine (Pine is not Elm) is the email client, Pico (Pine Composer) was the editor, which worked as a standalone editor, too.
Alpine and Nano are clones of Pine/Pico - don't know if they forked
from the Pine/Pico code, but they're released under GPL versus the more restrictive license Pine/Pico were released under, if memory serves.
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
On 04-29-19 07:23, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Tony Langdon wrote to MRO <=-
i'm a joe man.
Borland/Wordstar veteran eh? :D
I still use Qedit in my offline reader environment for the Ctrl-K key bindings.
Tony Langdon wrote to MRO <=-
i'm a joe man.
Borland/Wordstar veteran eh? :D
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Alpine and Nano are clones of Pine/Pico - don't know if they forked
from the Pine/Pico code, but they're released under GPL versus the
more restrictive license Pine/Pico were released under, if memory
serves.
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
Correct. I used to like Pine when I started out on Unix (ISP shell account under BSDi, IIRC), and was a bit disappointed when Pine fell out of favour, due to its licence. Alpine was released to address this, but like you, I don't know how closely the code in Alpine/nano is related to that in Pine/Pico, but for me, the user experience is the same between those two packages.
Ok ... Now that it's been established what the CLI editors are. Can
anyone explain the spellcheck feature they use? Even better how does
it work? Can they spellcheck feature be used on any CLI editor?
Tony Langdon wrote to Hustler <=-
Alpine is a popular email client/editor with spell check used on most unix/linux systems. The newer version is called Nano. They are good examples of how a command line editor should work that also has a spell checker.
More specifically, nano is the editor that Alpine uses. I
actually use it with Multimail on my Linux offline setup too.
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
On 04-28-19 13:04, MRO wrote to Hustler <=-
i'm a joe man.
Mine also. My first isp account (well, after my bbs uucp account) was a shell account that use pine as the email client. I am trying to remember the name of their news client but it escapes me it has been so long.
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
Mine also. My first isp account (well, after my bbs uucp account) was a shell account that use pine as the email client. I am trying to remember the name of their news client but it escapes me it has been so long.
More specifically, nano is the editor that Alpine uses. I actually use it with Multimail on my Linux offline setup too.
More specifically, nano is the editor that Alpine uses. I actually
use it with Multimail on my Linux offline setup too.
I'm a Linux SysAdmin in my day-job. Most people use vi(m) or emacs as their command-line editor, and they'll fight over them like they're religions. I love popping up in the middle of an argument, mentioning that I use, and have used nano/pico for over 25 years, and then walkng away as they stare at me like I'm some sort of insane chaos element.
Re: Re: Spell checker?
By: Heliarc to DaiTengu on Tue Apr 30 2019 10:35 am
I could never get the hang of VIM. I started using pine in the early 90's and have been using it along with Alpine and Nano as editors evolved. I'm not a programer so I didn't need all the wonderful features in VIM. I know what you mean though. You're not a "real" Unix/Linux user if you don't use Vim.
I got used to using vim at an old job, so I got to like it in Linux. Even if you're not a programmer, sometimes vim still alows fairly quick editing. The way you can copy & paste lines in vim, for instance, can be faster than other editors where you'd highlight, press Ctrl-C, and then Ctrl-V somewhere else. With vim, you can type yy to copy a line and p to paste it. You can copy multiple lines by typing a number before the yy (such as 5yy to copy the current 5 lines, which includes the line where the cursor is and the next 4 lines).
Even though there's a Vim for Windows, I tend to use other editors in Windows though.. Maybe I'm just used to things being a certain way in Windows.
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
Mine also. My first isp account (well, after my bbs uucp account) was a shell account that use pine as the email client. I am trying to remember the name of their news client but it escapes me it has been so long.
love popping up in the middle of an argument, mentioning that I use, and have used nano/pico for over 25 years, and then walkng away as they stare at
Over the past few years I've slowly been transitioning over to Vim, but old habits die hard, and I constantly find myself typing "nano" to open/edit a file.
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On 2019 Apr 29 15:53:50, you wrote to Tony Langdon:
Ok ... Now that it's been established what the CLI editors are. Can
anyone explain the spellcheck feature they use? Even better how does
it work? Can they spellcheck feature be used on any CLI editor?
the ones that i know of that do spell checking do it after the message
is written... they do this by passing the message through an external spell checker... i think aspell was one that was used quite a bit in
the 16bit world...
i don't know how they interfaced but they would return with the
misspelled word and an offer of a correction that you could choose or not... it has been a while since i used one of those, though... i've gotten to where i simply open my firefox and start typing the word into the search box to see what pops up ;)
I got used to using vim at an old job, so I got to like it in Linux.
Even if you're not a programmer, sometimes vim still alows fairly
quick editing. The way you can copy & paste lines in vim, for
instance, can be faster than other editors where you'd highlight,
press Ctrl-C, and then Ctrl-V somewhere else. With vim, you can type
yy to copy a line and p to paste it. You can copy multiple lines by
typing a number before the yy (such as 5yy to copy the current 5
lines, which includes the line where the cursor is and the next 4
lines).
I just hate finding myself counting the number of lines to copy (was that 14 or 15?). I recall there was a way to mark the beginning and end of blocks in vi/vim and then (maybe?) copy the block - but I don't remember how.
Even though there's a Vim for Windows, I tend to use other editors in
Windows though.. Maybe I'm just used to things being a certain way in
Windows.
Yup, me too. It's Visual Studio and Notepad++ on Windows for me. Vim and Geany on Linux.
Heliarc wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Mine also. My first isp account (well, after my bbs uucp account) was a shell account that use pine as the email client. I am trying to remember the name of their news client but it escapes me it has been so long.
Most likely it was "Tin" or "Rn"
On 04-29-19 15:53, Hustler wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Ok ... Now that it's been established what the CLI editors are. Can anyone explain the spellcheck feature they use? Even better how does it work? Can they spellcheck feature be used on any CLI editor?
On 04-29-19 21:05, Dan Clough wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Me too! (nano with Multimail). Love nano's syntax hilighting,
very excellent for bash scripts and the like.
On 04-30-19 08:08, DaiTengu wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm a Linux SysAdmin in my day-job. Most people use vi(m) or emacs as their command-line editor, and they'll fight over them like they're religions. I love popping up in the middle of an argument, mentioning that I use, and have used nano/pico for over 25 years, and then walkng away as they stare at me like I'm some sort of insane chaos element.
Over the past few years I've slowly been transitioning over to Vim, but old habits die hard, and I constantly find myself typing "nano" to open/edit a file.
DaiTengu
... A child of 5 could understand this! Fetch me a child of 5.
On 04-29-19 20:09, Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Pine/Pico were a fundamental part of my internet experience growing
up.
Mine also. My first isp account (well, after my bbs uucp account) was
a shell account that use pine as the email client. I am trying to remember the name of their news client but it escapes me it has been so long.
Jason wrote to DaiTengu <=-
I think Vim is a good editor for linux admins to at least know
the basics of, because you never know when you might find
yourself in a linux terminal that doesn't have any of the other
editors... :)
Jason wrote to DaiTengu <=-
I think Vim is a good editor for linux admins to at least know
the basics of, because you never know when you might find
yourself in a linux terminal that doesn't have any of the other
editors... :)
I would go so far as to say that you can't call yourself a Linux
admin *UNLESS* you have at *LEAST* a basic understanding of how to
use vim/vi.
I could never get the hang of VIM. I started using pine in the early 90's and have been using it along with Alpine and Nano as editors evolved. I'm not a programer so I didn't need all the wonderful features in VIM. I know what you mean though. You're not a "real" Unix/Linux user if you don't use Vim.
Dan Clough wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Me too! (nano with Multimail). Love nano's syntax hilighting,
very excellent for bash scripts and the like.
I would go so far as to say that you can't call yourself a Linux
admin *UNLESS* you have at *LEAST* a basic understanding of how to
use vim/vi.
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mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I think Vim is a good editor for linux admins to at least know
the basics of, because you never know when you might find
yourself in a linux terminal that doesn't have any of the other
editors... :)
I would go so far as to say that you can't call yourself a Linux
admin *UNLESS* you have at *LEAST* a basic understanding of how to
use vim/vi.
is ":wq" or ":q!" enough to qualify? ;)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Me too! (nano with Multimail). Love nano's syntax hilighting,
very excellent for bash scripts and the like.
Is there a way to get a 25x80 screen in a full screen window with
Nano? I'm looking for a full screen experience similar to DOS.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I would go so far as to say that you can't call yourself a Linux
admin *UNLESS* you have at *LEAST* a basic understanding of how to
use vim/vi.
Back in the day, vi knowledge was equivalent to using edlin - you
needed it to get a system up and running. I remember loading
Solaris from CD, then needing to load packages off the net, and
the only visual editor I had at first was vi.
Even though there's a Vim for Windows, I tend to use other editors in Windows though.. Maybe I'm just used to things being a certain way in Windows.
I'm a Linux SysAdmin in my day-job. Most people use vi(m) or emacs as their command-line editor, and they'll fight over them like they're religions. I love popping up in the middle of an argument, mentioning that I use, and have used nano/pico for over 25 years, and then walkng away as they stare at me like I'm some sort of insane chaos element.
Is there a way to get a 25x80 screen in a full screen window with
Nano? I'm looking for a full screen experience similar to DOS.
Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
"When I was a boy we had to walk to school in the snow, and it was
uphill both ways!"
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-
"When I was a boy we had to walk to school in the snow, and it was
uphill both ways!"
Well, we had to get the base Solaris OS up and running, and
hand-hack the network configuration enough to get to the online
package repositories to install gcc...
Yep, I remember things the same way. The *nix world has gotten
easier over the years, which can only be seen as a Good Thing.
"When I was a boy we had to walk to school in the snow, and it was
uphill both ways!"
Same here... In fact, I loved using Pine over my POP3 account because I could >rlogin/telnet into my shell account with my ISP from anywhere that I could >dialup or already had internet access and read my mail...
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
:) That's true. I think Linux distros have gotten generally easier to install and set up. I've often tried Linux at home, and years ago I
used to have frustrations getting XWindows/XOrg set up and running.
Same here... In fact, I loved using Pine over my POP3 account because I
could rlogin/telnet into my shell account with my ISP from anywhere
that I could dialup or already had internet access and read my mail...
I've not tried it in a long time, but I might ought to just to see if it still works. :)
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Yep, I remember things the same way. The *nix world has gotten
easier over the years, which can only be seen as a Good Thing.
"When I was a boy we had to walk to school in the snow, and it was
uphill both ways!"
:) That's true. I think Linux distros have gotten generally
easier to install and set up. I've often tried Linux at home,
and years ago I used to have frustrations getting XWindows/XOrg
set up and running. And sometimes there would be a distro that
would detect and set up my hardware very easily during
setup/install, and then the next version of the distro would seem
broken (failing to detect & set up my hardware like the previous
version did). These days, I really like Linux Mint. In the
past, I always liked SuSE (now OpenSuSE), and Fedora always
seemed decent too.
Dumas Walker wrote to JASON <=-
I've not tried it in a long time, but I might ought to just to see if
it still works. :)
I have tried them all over the years, mostly just to see how they
were. I've been a Slackware user for 20 years, and that's what I
use on a daily basis (and what the BBS runs on). Don't see that
changing anytime soon, and probably never. I also dabble with
Raspberry Pi's and the various ARM distros available for them.
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I have tried them all over the years, mostly just to see how they
were. I've been a Slackware user for 20 years, and that's what I
use on a daily basis (and what the BBS runs on). Don't see that
changing anytime soon, and probably never. I also dabble with
Raspberry Pi's and the various ARM distros available for them.
I remember trying Slackware in the early-mid 90s. I initially
learned a lot about computers from my dad, who's a computer guy,
and he was messing with Slackware in those days when it was still
fairly new. I had used Slackware a bit but moved away from it..
I think Slackware was one of the late adopters of a package
management system for software, though after doing a quick search
online, it looks like it uses a package manager now.
I've not tried it in a long time, but I might ought to just to see if
it still works. :)
There's a HOWTO out there showing how to configure PINE to read mail
from on-premise Exchange servers, using LDAP for directory search,
IMAP for mail folders, and so on.
On 05-02-19 20:00, Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
:) That's true. I think Linux distros have gotten generally easier to install and set up. I've often tried Linux at home, and years ago I
used to have frustrations getting XWindows/XOrg set up and running.
And sometimes there would be a distro that would detect and set up my hardware very easily during setup/install, and then the next version of the distro would seem broken (failing to detect & set up my hardware
like the previous version did). These days, I really like Linux Mint.
In the past, I always liked SuSE (now OpenSuSE), and Fedora always
seemed decent too.
I remember trying Slackware in the early-mid 90s. I initially learned a lot about computers from my dad, who's a computer guy, and he was messing with Slackware in those days when it was still fairly new. I had used Slackware a
bit but moved away from it.. I think Slackware was one of the late adopters o
a package management system for software, though after doing a quick search online, it looks like it uses a package manager now.
Do any of the online editors compatable with Synchronet BBS have spellcheck?
I installed the spellchecker. When I'm in the editor and hit "esc" the editor options come up. But if I hit enter on "Spell-check dictionary/dictionaries" I get │!JavaScript /sbbs/exec/SlyEdit.js line 6333: TypeError: dictMenu.AddAdditionalQuitKeys is not a function.
the editor bails out. Also does the spell checker just look for misspelled words without giving suggestions?? It finds the misspelled word but leaves it up to the user to correct it. It's a huge advancement but I'm curious if corrections will be available in future versions of Syledit. I will try different terminal software to see if I get the same results.
I installed the spellchecker. When I'm in the editor and hit "esc"
the editor options come up. But if I hit enter on "Spell-check
dictionary/dictionaries" I get │!JavaScript /sbbs/exec/SlyEdit.js
line 6333: TypeError: dictMenu.AddAdditionalQuitKeys is not a
function.
Did you get the latest dd_lightbar_menu.js from sbbs/exec? If not, then you probably need to update that.
misspelled words without giving suggestions?? It finds theYes, right now it just prompts the user for a correction. I thought about offering suggestions - Possibly in a later release.
It's a great improvement. Most of my misspelled words are typos so just having it scanned before posting is a big help for me. Thanks!
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