From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-k7y-this

To: KK4QBN
Tim,

A former area Sysop said "I thought RIP was what you did to a fart".
:P

Maybe I should'nt give RIP such a bad review, it still has a special place in K>my heart, even though I've never really mad use of it, I did create some pret K>cool rip menusets back in the day, and really did enjoy it.

When I ran GT Power, I used a screen background that was already set,
and created menus for it, using the program DeadPaint.

I don't think it's registerable anymore, and as noted, TeleGraphix,
which pioneered RIP Graphics, went out of business 25 years ago.

Daryl

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-k7y-this

To: NIGHTFOX

I've also been thinking about RIP vs. ANSI lately. It seems that even though N>RIP was around, the majority of BBSing today uses ANSI, and it seems there N>aren't many RIP terminal programs. I was thinking it might be cool to develo N>some custom RIP screens for my BBS if I had the time, although with the lack N>modern RIP terminals, I'm not sure if RIP would get much use.

RIPTerm or RIPTel is out there, but I think it's shareware...and it
may no longer be registerable.

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-k7y-this

To: KK4QBN
Tim,

Honestly, I don't what it'll be useful for, if anything. :-)

ADS.. PORN..

LOL :)

In that regard, RIP *IS* what you do to a fart. :P

Daryl

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-quu-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: RIP Programs
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Sun Feb 11 2018 12:21 pm

RIPTerm or RIPTel is out there, but I think it's shareware...and it
may no longer be registerable.

I tried one of those recently (I don't remember which), and I had a suspicion it was a 16-bit application because my 64-bit Windows gave an error when I tried to run it, saying something like the application was not designed for this environment or something similar.

Nightfox

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From: kk4qbn@KK4QBN.remove-ae7-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: RIP Graphics
By: Daryl Stout to KK4QBN on Sun Feb 11 2018 12:24:00

ADS.. PORN..

LOL :)

In that regard, RIP *IS* what you do to a fart. :P

LOL.. to each their own ::)

/z

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-7kp-this

To: NIGHTFOX

I tried one of those recently (I don't remember which), and I had a suspicion N>it was a 16-bit application because my 64-bit Windows gave an error when I N>tried to run it, saying something like the application was not designed for N>this environment or something similar.

Yeah, most of the legacy apps are 16-bit or 32-bit, and they won't run
on 64-bit systems. That's why I want to KEEP a 32-bit OS.

Besides, why throw out perfectly good working hardware just to satisfy Micr0$0ft's bottom line?? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My laptop computer, the power supply, or both, crapped out the other
night, so it's in the shop for a bit. They won't get to it until
tomorrow, and with the stormy weather pattern we have forecast here well
into next week, it may be then before I can get to the shop to get it
back...or I may see if they will deliver it for a fee.

Plus, with the storms, my BBS will be down more than usual...but that
goes with the territory here during Tornado Season.

Daryl

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-7kp-this

To: KK4QBN
Tim,

ADS.. PORN..

LOL :)

In that regard, RIP *IS* what you do to a fart. :P

LOL.. to each their own ::)

July is National Baked Bean Month...get your sponsor sheets now. <G>

Daryl

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-lvb-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: RIP Programs
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Tue Feb 13 2018 09:24 pm

I tried one of those recently (I don't remember which), and I had a
suspicion it was a 16-bit application because my 64-bit Windows gave
an error when I tried to run it, saying something like the application
was not designed for this environment or something similar.

Yeah, most of the legacy apps are 16-bit or 32-bit, and they won't run
on 64-bit systems. That's why I want to KEEP a 32-bit OS.

32-bit software will run on a 64-bit OS..

Nightfox

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From: benny.pedersen@2:230/0.remove-7np-this

To: Nightfox
Hello Nightfox!

14 Feb 2018 09:38, Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout:

32-bit software will run on a 64-bit OS..

correct, but for gentoo multilib is default disabled, with means 32bit does not run on 64bit here

i just wish i could disable multilib on windows 10 64bit

it sooks :)


Regards Benny

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From: kk4qbn@KK4QBN.remove-ydt-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: RIP Graphics
By: Daryl Stout to KK4QBN on Tue Feb 13 2018 21:13:00

LOL.. to each their own ::)

July is National Baked Bean Month...get your sponsor sheets now. <G>

I'd rather go with Chili, and at our last Chili cookoff I had every DA, Sheriff, and Judges wanting my secret recipe.. Nothing doing.. A lot of work went into that.. including fire roasting of a few different items. and some other stuff.

GOOD CHILI!

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-7np-this

To: Benny Pedersen
Re: RIP Programs
By: Benny Pedersen to Nightfox on Wed Feb 14 2018 09:22 pm

correct, but for gentoo multilib is default disabled, with means 32bit does not run on 64bit here

i just wish i could disable multilib on windows 10 64bit

it sooks :)

Why is that? I haven't had a problem running 32-bit software on 64-bit Windows 10.. Have you seen any issues with it?

Nightfox

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-6z-this

To: Benny Pedersen
Re: RIP Programs
By: Benny Pedersen to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 12:16 am

I haven't had a problem running 32-bit software on 64-bit
Windows 10..

you have more then 4M of mem ? :) (or is it 4G)

Yes, I have more than 4GB of memory. I don't think that poses a problem with running 32-bit software.. As I said, I haven't run into any issues running 32-bit applications on 64-bit Windows. And personally I've never used a single application that used 4GB of memory by itself.. To me, more RAM has been mainly useful in being able to run more applications at the same time.

In fact, a 64-bit program might use a bit more memory than the equivalent 32-bit program simply because some of its internal variable data types (particularly, pointers) would use 64-bit addresses, which are twice as big as 32-bit addreses.

i just say gentoo does not need anything on 32bit while the host is supporting 64bit

I could see that being true if you build everything from source. But at least for Windows, there is still a lot of software that is 32-bit. Web browsers were still 32-bit for a long time (though 64-bit versions of web browsers are becoming more common). And if you're a gamer, I'm sure a lot of PC games are built as 32-bit so they can run on either a 32-bit or 64-bit PC.

Nightfox

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From: benny.pedersen@2:230/0.remove-aif-this

To: Nightfox
Hello Nightfox!

14 Feb 2018 12:45, Nightfox wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Why is that?

doubble usage of memory requirement

I haven't had a problem running 32-bit software on 64-bit
Windows 10..

you have more then 4M of mem ? :) (or is it 4G)

Have you seen any issues with it?

not if microsoft gives free memory sticks

Nightfox

i just say gentoo does not need anything on 32bit while the host is supporting 64bit


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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-p1d-this

To: Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

Yeah, most of the legacy apps are 16-bit or 32-bit, and they won't run
on 64-bit systems. That's why I want to KEEP a 32-bit OS.

32-bit software will run on a 64-bit OS..

But 16 bit won't, at least in Win64.


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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-p1d-this

To: Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Benny Pedersen <=-

Yes, I have more than 4GB of memory. I don't think that poses a
problem with running 32-bit software.. As I said, I haven't run into
any issues running 32-bit applications on 64-bit Windows. And
personally I've never used a single application that used 4GB of memory
by itself.. To me, more RAM has been mainly useful in being able to
run more applications at the same time.

With a 64 bit OS, you can address more tan 4G RAM (2-3G usable). 32 bit apps will still only see 4G, but the extra ram available means the 32 bit apps don't have to share the same 4G, they get to share the full available RAM.


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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-1yb-this

To: Tony Langdon
Re: Re: RIP Programs
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 08:03 pm

With a 64 bit OS, you can address more tan 4G RAM (2-3G usable). 32 bit apps will still only see 4G, but the extra ram available means the 32 bit apps don't have to share the same 4G, they get to share the full available RAM.

That was my understanding as well.

Nightfox

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From: hawkeye@MASHBBS.remove-7kv-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Re: RIP Programs
By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Thu Feb 15 2018 09:37:59

With a 64 bit OS, you can address more tan 4G RAM (2-3G usable). 32 bit apps will still only see 4G, but the extra ram available means the 32 bit apps don't have to share the same 4G, they get to share the full available RAM.

Yes and no.... that is the shortcut explanation....which is valid for client OS, not server OS...

If your CPU supports PAE (since Pentium Pro) you can also go behind the 4 GB...

Examples:

Windows 2000 Datacenter : 32 GB
Linux kernel 2.3.23 in 1999 had also support for PAE and could enable up to 64 GB of memory

on yes these were 32 bit machines....

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From: mro@BBSESINF.remove-jqz-this

To: Nightfox
Re: RIP Programs
By: Nightfox to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 12 2018 09:33 am

RIPTerm or RIPTel is out there, but I think it's shareware...and it
may no longer be registerable.

I tried one of those recently (I don't remember which), and I had a suspicion it was a 16-bit application because my 64-bit Windows gave an error when I tried to run it, saying something like the application was not designed for this environment or something similar.

riptel is kinda weird. runs on win 3.1 with win32s or win95.
i got it to install in win 3.1 in dosbox but didnt feel like installing win32s.

right now i got ripterm fired up in dosbox.
ripterm pro is free for no commercial use and not crippled. had problems getting arrow keys to work in my doorgame menu and doorway mode didnt help. otherwise rendered ansi well.
let me know if you want it
http://i.imgur.com/bpD26Nv.png
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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-wej-this

To: Hawkeye
Re: Re: RIP Programs
By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 08:19 pm

With a 64 bit OS, you can address more tan 4G RAM (2-3G usable).
32 bit apps will still only see 4G, but the extra ram available
means the 32 bit apps don't have to share the same 4G, they get to
share the full available RAM.

Yes and no.... that is the shortcut explanation....which is valid for client OS, not server OS...

You replied to me, but you were quoting someone else..

Nightfox

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-76g-this

To: Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Re: Re: RIP Programs
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 08:03 pm

With a 64 bit OS, you can address more tan 4G RAM (2-3G usable). 32 bit apps will still only see 4G, but the extra ram available means the 32 bit apps don't have to share the same 4G, they get to share the full available RAM.

That was my understanding as well.

Well, we're on the same (4k? :D ) page, at least. ;)


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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-76g-this

To: Hawkeye

Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-

Yes and no.... that is the shortcut explanation....which is valid for client OS, not server OS...

If your CPU supports PAE (since Pentium Pro) you can also go behind the
4 GB...

True, for those few running Windows Server.

32 bit Linux can also use PAE, if support is compiled into the kernel.


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From: mark.lewis@1:3634/12.73.remove-p1-this

To: Nightfox

On 2018 Feb 14 09:38:00, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

Yeah, most of the legacy apps are 16-bit or 32-bit, and they won't
run on 64-bit systems. That's why I want to KEEP a 32-bit OS.

32-bit software will run on a 64-bit OS..

not without the supporting libraries... at one time, on linux, you had to install multilib... that went away and now you (still) have to set an option so that you get both 64bit and 32bit libs installed...

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