From: omegix@vert.synchro.net.remove-lnr-this

Hi all, I apologize if I've missed something, I've tried to parse through the documentation I could find, and was hoping I could get some help with a question.

I have setup a Synchronet instance at my makerspace (Makers Local 256) and one of the members would like to use his Commodore, which uses PETSCII encoding.

I found a reference to ciolib: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronet#Libraries

but I'm a little lost on how to install it into my instance of Synchronet.

Could someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks for any help!
Omegix
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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-5f5-this

To: Omegix
Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Omegix to All on Tue Oct 16 2018 07:27 pm

Hi all, I apologize if I've missed something, I've tried to parse through the documentation I could find, and was hoping I could get some help with a question.

I have setup a Synchronet instance at my makerspace (Makers Local 256) and one of the members would like to use his Commodore, which uses PETSCII encoding.

I found a reference to ciolib: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronet#Libraries

but I'm a little lost on how to install it into my instance of Synchronet.

Could someone point me in the right direction?

Synchronet itself doesn't use PETSCII, it assumes ASCII (and CP437-encoding when "Extended ASCII" is enabled per the user). That PETSCII reference on the wiki is for its use in SyncTERM (the client/terminal program).

Your friends commodore should connect just fine to a Synchronet BBS, just be sure they answer "No" to the new-user extended ASCII question.

Now looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII, I see that there may be an issue with lower case characters being mapped to PETSCII graphics characters. That's an interesting problem that I think the BBS-side could (but currently doesn't) address.

digital man

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From: nelgin@EOTLBBS.remove-sgr-this

To: Omegix
Omegix wrote:

Hi all, I apologize if I've missed something, I've tried to parse through

the

documentation I could find, and was hoping I could get some help with a question.

I have setup a Synchronet instance at my makerspace (Makers Local 256) and

one

of the members would like to use his Commodore, which uses PETSCII encoding.

I found a reference to ciolib: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronet#Libraries

but I'm a little lost on how to install it into my instance of Synchronet.

Could someone point me in the right direction?

I'm pretty sure it's all compiled in. Why not create a PETSCII menu and see
if your member can view it properly?

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From: mortifis@ALLEYCAT.remove-8iv-this

To: Digital Man

Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Digital Man to Omegix on Tue Oct 16 2018 11:05 pm

My first computer was a Commodore Vic-20, so it's been a fun/nostalgic trip.

Mine was an Altair 8800 Kit in 1976 .. was lost when a water pipe broke :/ moved on to a TRS80 Model one, which was stolen so I got an Atari 600 ... then I discovered girls and was sidetracked from computers for awhile LOL

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-evj-this

To: Omegix
Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Digital Man to Omegix on Tue Oct 16 2018 11:05 pm

Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Omegix to All on Tue Oct 16 2018 07:27 pm

Hi all, I apologize if I've missed something, I've tried to parse through the documentation I could find, and was hoping I could get some help with a question.

I have setup a Synchronet instance at my makerspace (Makers Local 256) and one of the members would like to use his Commodore, which uses PETSCII encoding.

I found a reference to ciolib: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronet#Libraries

but I'm a little lost on how to install it into my instance of Synchronet.

Could someone point me in the right direction?

Synchronet itself doesn't use PETSCII, it assumes ASCII (and CP437-encoding when "Extended ASCII" is enabled per the user). That PETSCII reference on the wiki is for its use in SyncTERM (the client/terminal program).

Your friends commodore should connect just fine to a Synchronet BBS, just be sure they answer "No" to the new-user extended ASCII question.

Now looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII, I see that there may be an issue with lower case characters being mapped to PETSCII graphics characters. That's an interesting problem that I think the BBS-side could (but currently doesn't) address.

Looking "a bit" more into this has taken me down a rabit hole. :-)

My first computer was a Commodore Vic-20, so it's been a fun/nostalgic trip.

You can see what I've been working on by logging into vert.synchro.net via Telnet at port 64 with a 40-column PETSCII terminal or port 128 with a 80-column PETSCII terminal.

Now, 40-column support is still very much a work in progress and there's likely to be remaining issues here and there and things that don't work right, but at least you'll be able to login, look around a bit, read and post messages, and even play a few of the games!!!

Now the C128 color modes in SyncTERM don't seem right and I'm trying to discuss this with Deuce and get fixed. CGTerm works, for the most part: http://paradroid.automac.se/cgterm/ but it's default keyboard mapping can be pretty frustrating.

Anyway, expect some Commie/PET terminal support to come to Synchronet in the very near future. :-)

digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #98:
The Synchronet Wiki (wiki.synchro.net) went online in April of 2010.
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From: kirkman@GUARDIAN.remove-9ot-this

To: Digital Man

You can see what I've been working on by logging into vert.synchro.net via Telnet at port 64 with a 40-column PETSCII terminal or port 128 with a 80-column PETSCII terminal.

Anyway, expect some Commie/PET terminal support to come to Synchronet in the very near future. :-)

Awesome! Now you're not going to leave Atari 8-bit owners in the lurch, right? Give us ATASCII! (SyncTerm already has support for it, as well)

--Josh

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From: kirkman@GUARDIAN.remove-9ot-this

To: Mortifis

Mine was an Altair 8800 Kit in 1976 .. was lost when a water pipe broke :/ moved on to a TRS80 Model one, which was stolen so I got an Atari 600 ...

600? Do you mean the 400 or the 800?

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From: kirkman@GUARDIAN.remove-syx-this

To: Digital Man

Do you own one?

Not anymore, though a guy from my old Atari users group has promised to give me one, so maybe I'll have one again.

I looked at ATASCII briefly and it seemed even further from ANSI/CP437 than PETSCII is. I could look at it again, but if you have any good reference material beyond what is simply on wikipedia, please share.

ArchiveTeam has a good page of links: http://justsolve.archiveteam.org/wiki/ATASCII

I created what I think is a decent, but still incomplete JS ATASCII animation viewer: http://breakintochat.com/collections/atascii/

It will probably be of absolutely no use to you, but at least you can enjoy some fun ATASCII animations. :)

--Josh

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-t07-this

To: Kirkman
Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Kirkman to Digital Man on Fri Oct 19 2018 09:15 pm

You can see what I've been working on by logging into vert.synchro.net via Telnet at port 64 with a 40-column PETSCII terminal or port 128 with a 80-column PETSCII terminal.

Anyway, expect some Commie/PET terminal support to come to Synchronet in the very near future. :-)

Awesome! Now you're not going to leave Atari 8-bit owners in the lurch, right?

Do you own one?

Give us ATASCII! (SyncTerm already has support for it, as well)

Well the SyncTERM support for PETSCII leaves a bit to be desired, but I expect to have those issues fixed soon.

I looked at ATASCII briefly and it seemed even further from ANSI/CP437 than PETSCII is. I could look at it again, but if you have any good reference material beyond what is simply on wikipedia, please share.


digital man

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-i23-this

To: Kirkman
Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Kirkman to Digital Man on Fri Oct 19 2018 10:08 pm

Do you own one?

Not anymore, though a guy from my old Atari users group has promised to give me one, so maybe I'll have one again.

I looked at ATASCII briefly and it seemed even further from ANSI/CP437 than PETSCII is. I could look at it again, but if you have any good reference material beyond what is simply on wikipedia, please share.

ArchiveTeam has a good page of links: http://justsolve.archiveteam.org/wiki/ATASCII

I created what I think is a decent, but still incomplete JS ATASCII animation viewer: http://breakintochat.com/collections/atascii/

Cool, I'll take a look. Do you know of any other ATASCII terminal emulators for Windows (besides SyncTERM)? I like to have multiple references. :-)

digital man

This Is Spinal Tap quote #7:
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From: mortifis@ALLEYCAT.remove-tqq-this

To: Kirkman

Mine was an Altair 8800 Kit in 1976 .. was lost when a water pipe broke :/ moved on to a TRS80 Model one, which was stolen so I got an Atari 600 ...

600? Do you mean the 400 or the 800?

Nope, got my Atari 600XL in 1984, would carry that little pos around and hook it up to friends tvs LOL

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From: kirkman@GUARDIAN.remove-1xc-this

To: Digital Man

Cool, I'll take a look. Do you know of any other ATASCII terminal emulators for Windows (besides SyncTERM)? I like to have multiple references. :-)

I don't use Windows, so I can't vouch for any of these. But the Archive Team page had links to a few places, including this site which has two: "AT Telnet 2" and "Atari Terminal Simulator". http://bf.amfband.com/bffiles.html

When I was working on my animation viewer, I would run Atari 8-bit emulators (such as Atari800MacX) and view the animations using old programs for the Atari itself.

--Josh

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-p5h-this

To: Kirkman
Re: PETSCII \ Ciolib
By: Kirkman to Digital Man on Sat Oct 20 2018 10:34 am

Cool, I'll take a look. Do you know of any other ATASCII terminal emulators for Windows (besides SyncTERM)? I like to have multiple references. :-)

I don't use Windows, so I can't vouch for any of these. But the Archive Team page had links to a few places, including this site which has two: "AT Telnet 2" and "Atari Terminal Simulator". http://bf.amfband.com/bffiles.html

Installed AT Telnet 2, connected to vert.synchro.net:23 and it abruptly crashed. I'll experiment it with some more.

ATS hung during install. <shrug>

When I was working on my animation viewer, I would run Atari 8-bit emulators (such as Atari800MacX) and view the animations using old programs for the Atari itself.

I might get an interest at some point. Right now, I still have a lot resolve with the Commie support. :-)

digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #36:
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From: kirkman@GUARDIAN.remove-5iy-this

To: Digital Man

Installed AT Telnet 2, connected to vert.synchro.net:23 and it abruptly crashed. I'll experiment it with some more.

ATS hung during install. <shrug>

Weird! I managed to install ATS on my Mac (within Wine) this morning, and it worked great. Connected to the Part-Time BBS with no problem.

There continues to be a small but active Atari 8-bit BBS scene. This list has a bunch (though there are Atari ST (16-bit) boards mixed in as well): http://www.sfhqbbs.org/ataribbslist.php

--Josh

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