... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
I don't think x86 emulation is going anywhere, afaik, they've got some heavily optimized combinations of hardware/software paths for x86 emulation specifically, and I think WINE and derivatives along with
Docker are some big use cases for a lot of people, not counting full Windows in emulation. As to ARM Windows, it's currently OEM or
developer access only.
The new M1 macs are really a full-on single board computer, the RAM is integrated, why they're all 8gb. Though it's crazy fast, which makes up for the limited amount in a LOT of scenarios.
The storage is soldered on board, which sucks from an upgrade
standpoint. But it's been the direction that Apple has gone, short of plunking down big money for effectively workstation hardware. And in a
lot of ways it makes sense. Outside of techies, the *vast* majority of people don't ever upgrade their memory or drive storage in these
devices. I'd personally prefer to be able to upgrade. When I got my mid-2014 mbp, I was shocked I couldn't upgrade the ram, I actually returned the one I originally ordered and wound up with the top end
model for the time (needed it for a presentation the following day, no sleep that night).
... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
I don't think x86 emulation is going anywhere, afaik, they've got some
heavily optimized combinations of hardware/software paths for x86
emulation specifically, and I think WINE and derivatives along with
Docker are some big use cases for a lot of people, not counting full
Windows in emulation. As to ARM Windows, it's currently OEM or
developer access only.
As far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator,
it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux
APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
I'd prefer to be able to upgrade, or at least have the option of having a crazy-high amount of RAM when I buy it in the first place so I probably
won't feel a need to upgrade for a while.
Really <3 Docker these days, as I can spin up/down everything I need as project dependencies and spin them down when switching to something
else. But I still need more than 8gb ram typically.
While I agree, the fact is that most people don't/won't ever upgrade so not having the option simplifies the production designs and reduces material costs, so I don't fault Apple for doing it. I'm less inclined
to buy their stuff as well. Bigger motivations for buying their laptops have actually been the best touchpad on any laptop, above average screen and above average keyboard (though not as good as pre-2015 models),
which are the parts of the hardware I interact with most.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops.
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good
overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared
to other laptops.
I was working in a Mac/Windows shop when they came out, and we had a handful of them in the office (most were Dell 14" laptops, MacBook Pro 15s and Air 13s.)
I think the 17" could make a great desktop replacement system, now. I wish I'd had more time to play with one.
On 02-06-21 08:39, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops.
The killer laptop was the old Dell XPS 15; Retina-like resolution, lots
of horsepower, greta build quality and much cheaper than the MBPs were buying when comparably equipped.
On 02-04-21 13:01, Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
As far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator, it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
Tony Langdon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The killer laptop was the old Dell XPS 15; Retina-like resolution, lots
of horsepower, greta build quality and much cheaper than the MBPs were buying when comparably equipped.
Recently bought a Dell laptop, and I'm pretty happy with it.
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
They have stopped. This was around 2012 or so.
I'm a hardcore Thinkpad fan, but working from home has soured me on black laptops. I like to go outside, get some air and work outside on sunny days, and my thinkpad gets way too hot. I'm thinking my old silver XPS 13 would fare better...
Really <3 Docker these days, as I can spin up/down everything I need as
project dependencies and spin them down when switching to something
else. But I still need more than 8gb ram typically.
Wow, you must be running some large stuff on your laptop?
I too develop on a MacBook Pro - and my iMac - depends where I am as
to which one I use.
I think I've only given my iMac 4GB of ram for docker to work with
(my laptop only gives docker 2GB), and I load some large DB's in it
(there must be about 1-2mil records) and it performs OK, not fast I
admit. Maybe that's not large? :)
But you are right - for developing, docker makes things pretty easy.
I use "syncthing" to keep my laptop and imac development directory
in sync, so when I switch between one or the other, I just kill the containers on my laptop and restart them on the imac and keep going
(or visa-versa).
When I'm finished with a feature, I push the code to my github,
which (depending on the project), builds the container that ends
up on the live server. With a Dockerfile that is consistent
between environments there is rarely any localisation issues with deployment...
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINEAs far as WINE, from what I understand, WINE isn't a hardware emulator,
it's just an 'emulator' of Windows APIs, mapping them to similar Linux
APIs so that Windows binaries can run on *nix.
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API translation layer, as you mentioned above.
My old company was Dell until about 2013/2014 then went
Thinkpads. Initial quality of the Thinkpads was pretty
impressive but I had too many issues with charging and
battery life with three different Thinkpads between 2014
and 2019. My current company uses Dells. I hate the
keyboard but it remains pretty solid.
On 02-07-21 06:58, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Recently bought a Dell laptop, and I'm pretty happy with it.
I'm a hardcore Thinkpad fan, but working from home has soured me on
black laptops. I like to go outside, get some air and work outside on sunny days, and my thinkpad gets way too hot. I'm thinking my old
silver XPS 13 would fare better...
On 02-08-21 17:35, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API translation layer, as you mentioned above.
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINE
on an M1 mac, you'll need not only WINE but the x86/x64 emulation
support. --
"WINE" stands for "WINE Is Not An Emulator". Technically, it's an API
translation layer, as you mentioned above.
It isn't, but if you want to run an x86/x64 Windows application on WINE
on an M1 mac, you'll need not only WINE but the x86/x64 emulation
support. --
True, but the emulation is another layer altogether.
On 02-13-21 18:39, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The point was, it's one of probably many reasons that apple likely
won't be removing x86 emulation any time soon.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I had a 2012 17" MacBook for a little while. I thought it was good overall, but I wouldn't say I was overly impressed with it compared to other laptops. I don't think the screen was above average, and I
didn't really care for the lack of physical buttons for the trackpad.
As for the trackpad itself, I wouldn't call it "the best touchpad on
any laptop" - I didn't really see anything spectacular about it that
set it apart.
Dream Master wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I thought Apple stopped making 17" laptops?
They have stopped. This was around 2012 or so.
They now make the 16" MBP, which is a powerhouse for a MBP and I think
it is overkill for a daily driver. If I were doing graphic or audio workloads, I could definitely see getting that instead of a 13" MBP (or the rumored 14" that's coming out later this year).
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