Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
This isn't something I've seen. And I'm not quite sure what you mean by pressing Q to return back, except from the final pause? When viewing the help screen, any key you press should have it continue writing the help screen until you get to the
final pause, and then pressing any key will have it go back (not just Q). I tried it just now and can't reproduce the issue you're describing.
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
It looks like iTerm is only available for Mac OS? I don't have a Mac, so I wouldn't be able to test that.
I just configured your Msg reader for personal mail today - first time I've seen it (and been meaning to look at it). Nice job - like it :)
1) While reading a message, if you use ? (help), and then press "q" to return back - it returns back to the message, but doesnt render the message header. If however, while using help, you return from the final pause, and use any other char (except "q"), then mesage is redrawn correctly (with header).
2) I often use a wide terminal, a mix of Syncterm (132x137) or iTerm (much wider).
In the list display, I've noticed that when I'm using a wider terminal, the date is "blue" except for the last digit of minutes, the colon and the seconds. (It doesnt surface on an 80 col display.)
EG: If the date was 2021-01-06 01:23:45, then the 3:45 is the dull white color (normal?), and the rest of the date is blue.
In addition the lightbar (and the list) work well, but the lightbar also stops before the 3:45 as you move up/down. (So the same last 4 chars are not included).
I'm happy to give you a pic if that helps.
Anyway, thought you might like to know.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMailpause, and then pressing any key will have it go back (not just Q). I tried it just now and can't reproduce the issue you're describing.
By: deon to Nightfox on Fri Jan 29 2021 02:08 pm
I just configured your Msg reader for personal mail today - first time I've seen it (and been meaning to look at it). Nice job - like it :)
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. :)
1) While reading a message, if you use ? (help), and then press "q" to return back - it returns back to the message, but doesnt render the message header. If however, while using help, you return from the final pause, and use any other char (except "q"), then mesage is redrawn correctly (with header).
This isn't something I've seen. And I'm not quite sure what you mean by pressing Q to return back, except from the final pause? When viewing the help screen, any key you press should have it continue writing the help screen until you get to the final
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
A screenshot would help, as I haven't seen these issues.
It looks like iTerm is only available for Mac OS? I don't have a Mac, so I wouldn't be able to test that.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 30 2021 08:13 am
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the
message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just
the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Happens in both SyncTerm and in a terminal telnet session.
"If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up. They're so choice." :)
I've had Macs before. I thought they were cool, but I can't really say they made me want to switch. I've been a long-time PC user (DOS and then Windows) and have also used Linux, and Mac seems like another version of the same kind of thing. I was also briefly doing some development work with a Mac for one of my jobs, and using Automator to write some scripts, I remember Automator crashing fairly often. Also I used XCode to do some development and XCode crashed a few times when I was using it.. It was a bit frustrating. Maybe it has gotten better now though.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1 processor, I'd
be concerned about older software running. At least for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some older apps that are no longer developed.
What do you mean by "terminal telnet"? SyncTerm is a telnet terminal
I can't speak for the problem, but I will say that iTerm and iTerm2 are excellent emulators. The sad part about BBSing is that the assumption is that everything is 80-column. When we build screens, input fields, etc., we assume "80" but it could vary. For example, when I am working, I run 132x43 (132 columns by 43 rows). When I telnet/ssh into a BBS from a shell, sometimes things display right, sometimes they don't. Oh, well!
btw, get yourself a Mac. They're so sweet (sorry, a little Ferris Bueler there).
"If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up. They're so
choice." :)
I've always loved that line. When I've had the chance to use it, I do. Anyone born in the 00s has no clue when I say it and my oldest daughter (19) who has watched it with me a few times rolls her eyes when I do say it.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1
processor, I'd be concerned about older software running. At least
for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some
older apps that are no longer developed.
Their emulation is rock solid. They mastered this when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel. There will always be those one-off software packages that simply refuse to work, but, we will see.
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the
message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just
the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Happens in both SyncTerm and in a terminal telnet session.
What do you mean by "terminal telnet"? SyncTerm is a telnet terminal emulator.
On 1/30/2021 11:20 AM, Nightfox wrote:
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
I find a lot of ANSi files are optimized to assume 80-column and bork on wider displays.
Re: Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Tue Feb 02 2021 09:48 am
On 1/30/2021 11:20 AM, Nightfox wrote:
It seems 80 columns is fairly standard, but you're right, there
are wider terminals too. BBS stuff ideally should be taken into
account, and if they're hard-coded to assume 80 columns, at least
that should display okay on a wider terminal and not mess up.
I find a lot of ANSi files are optimized to assume 80-column and bork
on wider displays.
Such files can be "fixed" by converting to .msg/asc using
"ans2msg <infile.ans> <outfile.msg> -80"
A conditional new-line will be added for each line where there is text in column 80.
Re: DDMsg Read - PersonalMail
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 30 2021 08:13 am
Yes, in the help screen, "any key" should return you to the message. But if that key is "Q", the header doesnt return, just the message body.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Interesting.. I had tried using Q and wasn't seeing that issue.
Well, I used exactly the same settings on your BBS and everything worked as advertized. Unless it is some sort of change in a later version. I forgot to check what version of sbbs you're running.
I also tried converting the files from dos2unix. I can't remember if you're running Windows but that didn't make any difference either. I'm at a loss as to why it functions on yours but not on others' bbs.
... maybe Apple won't go through much trouble of continuing
to support Intel software.
One of the other main issues I have with Apple in general is that
they lack configuration options for their computers. For laptops,
some manufaturers let you put in a second hard drive for more storage
(you might opt for an SSD for the boot drive and a large HDD for
storage, for instance), or what have you.
Several years ago, I heard Apple had started making their Macs with everything sealed & soldered in, so you couldn't even upgrade the RAM
- but I think they're starting to allow easy upgrades again? And then
I also don't know if you can replace the battery on their MacBooks
anymore..
As far as their desktops, I've heard the iMac can be difficult to
upgrade, due to how you have to take it apart & put it back together,
and their more easily upgradeable Mac Pro costs an arm and a leg.
Apple just doesn't seem to have a PC I'd want to buy.
Due to the above reasons, I'd probably lean toward building a
hackintosh, except now with Apple's M1 processor, that's probably not
a viable plan anymore.
I've been using Macs for some years. I consider them rock solid.
Don't worry, I'm a DOS/Windows/*nix person but I favor my Mac above everything else. Apple has screwed up a few times and they've
learned. XCode behaves well now. My next Mac will be an M1 MacBook
Pro (13"). I currently use a MacBook Pro (13") from 2016 and an iMac
from 2014. My youngest son (15) wants my MBP. No one gets the iMac.
Also, now that Apple has switched from Intel to their own M1
processor, I'd be concerned about older software running. At least
for PC, sometimes I still like to play older games & maybe run some
older apps that are no longer developed.
Their emulation is rock solid. They mastered this when Apple
switched from PowerPC to Intel. There will always be those one-off
software packages that simply refuse to work, but, we will see.
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