From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-cl-this

To: The Millionaire

I got a quickie saying there was a new Version of Synchronet and it got
me all pumped up all over again.

It reminds me of the joke where these 2 guys went into a truck stop restaurant. A rather good looking waitress walks up to their table, and
asks for their order.

The first one says he wants a cheeseburger, and the second one wants
a quickie.

Annoyed, the waitress replied "Sir, this may be a truck stop diner, but
I'll have you know that we won't tolerate that kind of talk here. So, I'll
be back in a few minutes, and we'll try again".

So, she comes back a few minutes later, and again, the responses are the
same (a cheeseburger and a quickie). Angered, the waitress hauls off, and
slaps "the quickie wanting customer" so hard that it knocks him out of
the booth onto the floor, as she storms off.

A customer in the next table responds "Uh...that's pronounced quiche".


As a side note, can you possibly change your taglines?? Use of the same
one each time makes it looks like you're using a canned template for your messages. While I'm using MultiMail (64-bit) under Windows 10, I am using
a different tagline for each message.

Daryl

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-cl-this

To: The Millionaire

Is the weather in Sync now easy to setup in 3.18b?

It depends on what app your using. Apparently, SyncWx is
no longer being updated for 2 reasons...the original author
abandoned it...and WeatherUnderground no longer offers "free
weather API" deals. I ran into the same problem with a ham
radio digital application known as D-Rats.

That one is now using an API from openweather -- but I
don't know if I can use the same API on a separate app.

Daryl

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-cl-this

To: echicken

On the web, it'd be annoying to emulate the "choose which lines you
want to quote" method. The easy alternative would be to auto-quote the entire parent message, and hope that people will trim out any text that isn't related to their response.

The problem is that by default, a reply from the web would include the entire body of the parent message. Unless the replier trims it, it will all be posted. That's a bad default. I know that lots of people would *not* trim the quoted text; I've seen it happen elsewhere.

And, no one wants an entire message requoted, for a reply of "I Agree".
That was the case when BBS's where dial-up years ago. It makes you look
more like "an ignorant twit".

If one is that lazy, wanting everything to be done for them on the BBS,
then Sysoping is not for them. Life is NOT "Fair" or "Burger King". Fair
is a fall carnival, a weather term, or a call in baseball...and you can
NOT always "Have It Your Way" (I worked for them for 5 years forty years
ago, so I can say that).

Daryl

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-cl-this

To: Nightfox

Yeah. That's right. A quickie.

And what did you mean by a "quickie"?

A fast slowie. <G>

Besides, if you smoke during sex, you're doing it too fast. <BG>

Daryl

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-dsd-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: Over Quoting
By: Daryl Stout to echicken on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:58:00

And, no one wants an entire message requoted, for a reply of "I Agree". That was the case when BBS's where dial-up years ago. It makes you look

Yep, and it still happens, even with textmode users.

It's a bit of a tough choice. We definitely want people to quote a message that
they're replying to, but we don't want them to quote too much of it. I'm not sure what the best approach would be, but I'm fairly certain that auto-quoting the entire message
isn't the way to go.

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-dyq-this

To: echicken
Re: Over Quoting
By: echicken to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 23 2020 12:45 pm

It's a bit of a tough choice. We definitely want people to quote a message that they're replying to, but we don't want them to quote too much of it. I'm not sure what the best approach would be, but I'm fairly certain that auto-quoting the entire message isn't the way to go.

For a web interface, I wonder if a modal dialog could be used to allow users to
choose lines from the message to quote. I'm picturing something that would work similarly to a text-mode message editor, using the arrow keys and enter to
let the user
select lines from the message, but I'm not sure if that would be doable on a web interface.

Nightfox

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-b98-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Over Quoting
By: Nightfox to echicken on Wed Sep 23 2020 12:38:51

For a web interface, I wonder if a modal dialog could be used to allow

users to choose lines from

the message to quote. I'm picturing something that would work similarly to

a text-mode message

editor, using the arrow keys and enter to let the user select lines from

the message, but I'm not

It *could*, but I fear that'd come across a bit clunky on the web.

Another problem is "lines" aren't so much a thing there, but paragraphs are. I often quote only a part of a paragraph, so I'd still need to trim down the quotes a bit.

On the other hand, it's pretty easy to select and delete some of the quoted text to trim things down - if you're using a mouse and keyboard. If you're using a touchscreen, maybe not so much (but that's your problem).

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-xy3-this

To: echicken

And, no one wants an entire message requoted, for a reply of "I Agree". That was the case when BBS's where dial-up years ago. It makes you look

Yep, and it still happens, even with textmode users.

I'm glad there's QWK Mail...it makes it much easier.

It's a bit of a tough choice. We definitely want people to quote a
message that they're replying to, but we don't want them to quote too
much of it. I'm not sure what the best approach would be, but I'm
fairly certain that auto-quoting the entire message isn't the way to
go.

I also modify the subject if the content of the reply has changed.

Daryl

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From: jon.justvig@STEPPING.remove-d2l-this

To: Daryl Stout
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Yeah. That's right. A quickie.

And what did you mean by a "quickie"?

A fast slowie. <G>

I guess that's pronounce coleslaw. :)

-cr1mson

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-879-this

To: echicken

On 09-23-20 12:45, echicken wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

It's a bit of a tough choice. We definitely want people to quote a
message that they're replying to, but we don't want them to quote too
much of it. I'm not sure what the best approach would be, but I'm
fairly certain that auto-quoting the entire message isn't the way to
go.

I'm inclined to agree. We've already seen an example of auto quoting in the real world, and that's led to top posting being the norm in email. :/


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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-lcw-this

To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Over Quoting
By: Daryl Stout to echicken on Wed Sep 23 2020 21:53:00

I also modify the subject if the content of the reply has changed.

That gets ignored on the web, for the most part. Messages are sorted into threads, and though you may change the subject line, if your message is in reply to another one, it belongs to the same thread. (With exceptions, depending on the integrity of the
threading data.)

Unless I were to display the subject alongside every message (or when it changes) there isn't a "clean" way to show this sort of thing. Would produce a lot of visual clutter in a web page.

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From: daryl.stout@TBOLT.remove-2yu-this

To: Jon Justvig
Jon,

Yeah. That's right. A quickie.

And what did you mean by a "quickie"?

A fast slowie. <G>

I guess that's pronounce coleslaw. :)

Cole's Law is thinly sliced cabbage. <G>

But, that reminds me of the joke, where these 2 people are in New Orleans, but they disagreed on the pronounciation...is it "New Ore Leans", "Nawlins", "New Ore Lee Anns", etc.

So, they decided to go into a fast food restaurant, and ask the cashier
where they were right now (meaning the city), and for them to speak slowly.

The cashier replied "Burr Gurr King". <G>

Since I worked for them for 5 years forty years ago, this hits home. :)

Daryl

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