• Re: Linux Alone With Sync

    From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:23:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-lch-this

    To: Tony Langdon
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:11 am

    On 02-12-20 06:12, The Millionaire wrote to Altere <=-

    There's like a 100 out there now. Wow, I remember when there was only Ubuntu out there at the time.

    Hmm, and also there was Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Slackware and many others by time Ubuntu came on the scene, so there was never "only Ubuntu".


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    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:27:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-lch-this

    To: Tony Langdon
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:18 am

    On 02-12-20 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Mortifis <=-

    In 2004, I was trying out Gentoo Linux, and chose the version of Gentoo where you'd build everything from the ground up (so you could optimize the build settings for your machine). I was trying it on a laptop, so it wasn't the most powerful PC already, and building something like XFree and Gnome took maybe 8 hours or so..

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I could s it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.


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    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 14, 2020 09:34:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-lch-this

    To: Nightfox
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:11 pm

    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Synchronet BBS?
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 2020 08:18 am

    I was reading about Gentoo, but while the concept did intrigue me, I co see it being impractical for me at the time, as I'd be spending hours compiling dependencies for anything I wanted to install.

    Yeah, I think the long install times (due to compiling everything) is a bit t to using it rather than waiting for it to build.

    Nightfox


    There are so many distros out there, there's a good chance someone else built up a distro with the features you require. Audio related distros with low latency kernals is a good example, as are the security and white hat hacking distros. Manjaro is a great easy to set up distro based on Arch.

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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:38:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-vnk-this

    To: Moondog
    On 02-14-20 09:23, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.


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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:21:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-vnk-this

    To: Moondog
    On 02-14-20 09:34, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    There are so many distros out there, there's a good chance someone else built up a distro with the features you require. Audio related distros with low latency kernals is a good example, as are the security and
    white hat hacking distros. Manjaro is a great easy to set up distro
    based on Arch.

    That's the real strength of Linux. One day I should put Skywave Linux on the shack computer, which has a heap of ham radio related software. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:39:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-vnk-this

    To: Moondog
    On 02-14-20 09:27, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder
    whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would
    be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

    Yeah a good learning exercise to know how a distro can be put together, but as you say, probably not practical for production use these days.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:229/2 to Moondog on Saturday, February 15, 2020 06:20:00
    From: poindexter.fortran@REALITY.remove-hz5-this

    To: Moondog
    Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Before Novell bought SuSe, they licensed AT&T SYSVr4.2, added some Novell
    core protocol drivers and software, wrapped Motif WM around it and called it UNIXWare. That was one of my first forays into UNIX.

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom
    running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I had a boss who thought its integration with our Novell network was nifty, then put it in our DMZ as a bastion host where it couldn't talk to the
    Novell network. Oops.
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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:09:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-55n-this

    To: Tony Langdon
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 11:38 am

    On 02-14-20 09:23, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.


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    It's amazing how many Debian variants are out there, or at least appear in my casual browsing. I've been an Ubuntu user since ver 6(?) and have branched in to using Raspbian on my two Raspberry Pi's and Armbian of a Rock64 I set up
    for a non-profit to run a presentation Powerpoint on a display.

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 15, 2020 09:58:00
    From: dumas.walker@CAPCITY2.remove-zvs-this

    To: TONY LANGDON
    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware
    were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.


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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:12:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-55n-this

    To: Tony Langdon
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tony Langdon to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 12:21 pm

    On 02-14-20 09:42, Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Years ago I read about linux users finding alternate uses of the sound capabilities of Winmodems, however I never looked any deeper into it.

    Now you've got me intrigued. :)


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    I'm curious how many hacks are done that done involve a phone line at all.

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  • From Nightfox@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 15, 2020 13:44:44
    From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-1oe-this

    To: poindexter FORTRAN
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 06:20 am

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I really liked SuSE back in the day. One thing was that came with a lot of software, and was even available on one or two DVDs due to all the software that was included. That was nice so that I didn't have to download all that over dialup. Also, SuSE
    had a fairly good XFree configuration application that seemed to work better at
    auto-detecting settings than with other distros. I had an easier time getting XFree working with SuSE than with other distros.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:29:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-cn6-this

    To: Moondog
    On 02-15-20 12:09, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It's amazing how many Debian variants are out there, or at least appear
    in my casual browsing. I've been an Ubuntu user since ver 6(?) and
    have branched in to using Raspbian on my two Raspberry Pi's and Armbian
    of a Rock64 I set up for a non-profit to run a presentation Powerpoint
    on a display.

    Debian appears to be a popular distro to base another one off.


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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:28:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-cn6-this

    To: Dumas Walker
    On 02-15-20 09:58, Dumas Walker wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Linux hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.

    Yes, I tend to agree. Debian definitely has its devotee.


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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Moondog on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:41:00
    From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-cn6-this

    To: Moondog
    On 02-15-20 12:12, Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I'm curious how many hacks are done that done involve a phone line at
    all.

    Indeed, hacking of winmodems seems to have become interesting in this thread.

    Anyway, a quick Gooogle did reveal that at least one model can be used as a line interface card for Asterisk PBXs.

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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 16, 2020 13:42:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-k85-this

    To: poindexter FORTRAN
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Feb 15 2020 06:20 am

    Moondog wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Before Novell bought SuSe, they licensed AT&T SYSVr4.2, added some Novell core protocol drivers and software, wrapped Motif WM around it and called it UNIXWare. That was one of my first forays into UNIX.

    I liked SuSe; I had a couple of clients back in the first dot-com boom running it; I was mostly a FreeBSD and RedHat guy back then.

    I had a boss who thought its integration with our Novell network was nifty, then put it in our DMZ as a bastion host where it couldn't talk to the Novell network. Oops.
    ... Faced with a choice, do both

    My first books on linux came with the retail version of SuSe 8.2 Professional
    I purchased at Best Buy. The kit came with two books - one of gneral stuff
    for the base edition, then another on the additional software bundled with
    the pro version. Their "killer app" they bragged about was Yast (yet another setup tool.) It was a graphical toolkit which gave you similar abilities as Control Panel in Windows. The books helped out alot. The base book was
    geared toward a novice user and dealt more with installation and navigating
    the gui, while the second book got into networking and file sharing and file permissions. Cool part of the kit was an included repository DVD. For a user
    trapped in the boondocks with only dialup as the only option at the time,
    this was a blessing.

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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 16, 2020 13:59:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-k85-this

    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Dumas Walker to TONY LANGDON on Sat Feb 15 2020 09:58 am

    I recall when I was first looking into linux, Red hat and Slackware were getting all the attention. Suse was bought up by Novell.

    Debian also had a dedicated following back then, mostly among hardcore Lin hobbyists. I was using mostly Red Hat in those days.

    I think it still does, and slackware also, by hobbyists.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Veni, Vidi, Visa. (I came, I saw, I charged it.)


    My average exposure to Debian is more in it's off shoots than the base
    distro. This counts the Ubuntu chain, Raspbian, and Armbian. I also had a resource disk built on Debian which included Clonezilla and DRBL (diskless remote boot in linux.) For learning purposes I wanted to set up a box with tftp to PXE boot other pc's to boot from it, however my pool of spare pc's
    were older models which didn't have the memory resources need to operate more than one or two diskless or "thin" environments at the time.

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  • From Nightfox@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 16, 2020 16:35:48
    From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-126u-this

    To: Moondog
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 16 2020 01:42 pm

    My first books on linux came with the retail version of SuSe 8.2 Professional I purchased at Best Buy. The kit came with two books - one of gneral stuff for the base edition, then another on the additional software bundled with the pro version. Their "killer app" they bragged about was Yast (yet another setup tool.) It was a graphical toolkit which gave you similar abilities as Control Panel in Windows. The books helped out alot.

    Around 1999 or 2000, I bought a copy of SuSE at CompUSA. I thought it was cool
    seeing boxed copies of Linux in software stores, and I thought it was cool to have a printed manual with it.

    Yast was one of the things I liked about SuSE.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 16, 2020 21:16:15
    From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-11cc-this

    To: MRO
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 16 2020 07:22 pm

    software etc had that stuff AND wildcat! for sale. nobody ever bought it, though.

    Yeah, there used to be an Egghead Software in my area that had that stuff, and I remember seeing boxes with RedHat linux and Wildcat BBS software there.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 16, 2020 19:22:34
    From: mro@BBSESINF.remove-o6u-this

    To: Nightfox
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Feb 16 2020 04:35 pm

    Around 1999 or 2000, I bought a copy of SuSE at CompUSA. I thought it was c seeing boxed copies of Linux in software stores, and I thought it was cool t have a printed manual with it.

    Yast was one of the things I liked about SuSE.


    software etc had that stuff AND wildcat! for sale. nobody ever bought it, though.
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  • From Tracker1@1:229/2 to Moondog on Thursday, February 20, 2020 17:49:39
    From: tracker1@TRN.remove-uda-this

    To: Moondog
    On 2/14/20 7:27 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether I want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesome learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing it.

    Customizing Arch might be a good middle-ground step if that's what
    you're into.

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  • From Moondog@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, February 20, 2020 22:47:00
    From: moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-fms-this

    To: Tracker1
    Re: Re: Linux Alone With Sync
    By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Thu Feb 20 2020 05:49 pm

    On 2/14/20 7:27 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Once in awhile I look at the "linux from scratch" site, and ponder whether want to try a ground up assembly of linux. I'm sure it would be an awesom learning experience, however I doubt I could see any practical use doing i

    Customizing Arch might be a good middle-ground step if that's what
    you're into.

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    A few years back I knew someone who loved Arch, and I've played with Manjaro, an Arch derivative. If I ever created a list of things I'd like to try, a bui ld from ground up has become less of a priority over the years. It's a cool thing to brag about, however as i mentioned before it seems less relevant or practical in relation to my current interests and learning path.

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