• A39 Web Server is nice

    From Hawk Hubbard@21:1/112 to All on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 15:34:49
    Check out my site for Black Flag: http://blackflag.acid.org

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Hawk Hubbard on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 13:38:56
    Re: A39 Web Server is nice
    By: Hawk Hubbard to All on Tue Apr 24 2018 03:34 pm

    Check out my site for Black Flag: http://blackflag.acid.org

    Looks good. I just grabbed a fresh copy of RIPtel.zip.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Beery@21:4/109 to Hawk Hubbard on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 17:03:22
    I guess your post answered my question regarding whether fTelnet script code would work in a html file for Mystic BBS server.

    Definitely gives a web interface now to the BBS.

    Beery

    Oh, nice webpage!

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to Hawk Hubbard on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:24:40
    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. Oh well.

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  • From Ktulu@21:2/122 to tenser on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:38:23
    It also just got put into the project. It's also Alpha software.



    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. Oh well.

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to Ktulu on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 14:37:32
    On 04/25/18, Ktulu said the following...

    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. O well.

    It also just got put into the project. It's also Alpha software.

    Yup.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to tenser on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 13:56:09
    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. Oh well.

    Its an unfinished work in progress that's been in an alpha version of Mystic for a total of 4 days now. This should be obvious to you considering you're a "professional developer"!

    It seems to host mysticbbs.com just fine, it passes jMeter tests in all green, and no one is complaining (yet). I guess its so "unfaithful" to HTTP 1.0 that its just magically working! A true miracle indeed!

    But lets be honest... Your intentions have nothing to do with the HTTP server. You're developing a history of negative/passive-aggressive comments about me/Mystic in other places, and now you're trying to troll FSXnet as well. Your comments serve no purpose and go against the manifesto of this network.

    No one wants to deal with a problematic know-it-all who is a constant downer, and no one wants constant negativity in this echo. If you can't be cool, just don't be here. I am pretty sure I can speak for everyone here in that regard.

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  • From Static@21:2/140 to tenser on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 17:02:18
    On 04/25/18, tenser said the following...

    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. Oh well.

    I haven't encountered any issues relating to the protocol itself so far. What exactly is noncompliant?

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to g00r00 on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 17:10:01

    Sorry another question, what you were talking about yesterday a in stone kind of thing %+ALL

    Be nice for all bbs software to have a standard, like VBBS it does it on it's own as you pick your areas, with Wildcat it was just a * in the body.

    Again, looking forward to it if so....


    Havok

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to g00r00 on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 18:34:58
    No one wants to deal with a problematic know-it-all who is a constant downer, and no one wants constant negativity in this echo. If you can't be cool, just don't be here. I am pretty sure I can speak for everyone here in that regard.

    Huh. You could have just asked, "well, what's wrong with it?" and I would
    have honestly answered. Among other things, it returns the the message body body in response to an HTTP "HEAD" request, in direct contradiction of
    RC2616, which says that that it MUST NOT (the RFC term) in section 9.2
    (RFC1945 has similar language for that request).

    I've said nothing negative about you or about Mystic BBS (other than that
    the built-in web server doesn't comply with the HTTP standard:
    specifically, but you've chosen to take what I say in the worst possible way
    at every turn. You, on the other hand, have consistently resorted to name calling and ad hominem attacks at the slightest hint of criticism, or just suggestions that go against what appear to be your preconceived notion. If
    it's a "downer" to you to receive bug reports, then I don't know what to
    tell you. If you want to have a technical dialogue, I'm happy to do that;
    I've implemented web servers before.

    In the meanwhile, Physician, heal thyself.

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to Static on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 18:41:55
    On 04/25/18, Static said the following...

    On 04/25/18, tenser said the following...

    It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. O well.

    I haven't encountered any issues relating to the protocol itself so far. What exactly is noncompliant?

    Basically any request is treated as a GET. Specifically, according to
    section 9.2 of RFC2616 (and 8.2 of RFC1945) the message-body associated
    with a resource MUST NOT (in the RFC2119 sense) be returned in response
    to a HEAD request, yet Mystic returns it. Similarly for POST. Indeed,
    mystic seems to treat ANY message sent as a GET request for the second whitespace-separated token.

    I get it, it's new software.

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  • From Static@21:2/140 to tenser on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 22:20:33
    On 04/25/18, tenser said the following...

    Similarly for POST. Indeed, mystic seems to treat ANY message sent as a GET request for the second whitespace-separated token.

    Aha. I just made some requests manually and I see what you mean. Gecko isn't particularly bothered by this behavior and most of the requests made from my browser would have been GETs anyway so it makes sense I didn't experience any obvious issues.

    But yeah, it's a WIP feature introduced days ago in the author's spare time. I'm not expecting Nginx.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Havok on Thursday, April 26, 2018 03:24:53
    Sorry another question, what you were talking about yesterday a in stone kind of thing %+ALL

    Be nice for all bbs software to have a standard, like VBBS it does it on it's own as you pick your areas, with Wildcat it was just a * in the
    body.

    Again, looking forward to it if so....

    %ALL is in A39 :)

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 03:54:35
    Huh. You could have just asked, "well, what's wrong with it?" and I would have honestly answered. Among other things, it returns the the message

    Dr g00 here! It seems to me you have really strong feelings of self-importance.

    Why on earth do you think I should ask you anything? I've very clearly explained that its alpha, its been in Mystic alpha for only 4 days, and its not finished. Several others have told you the same thing.

    I am writing the software and the parts implemented are working fine. I don't need you to read to me from a RFC document that anyone can Google and start reading on their own in about 30 seconds of time. :)

    The server responds with GET because only GET is implemented. Clearly I know what it does and doesn't do *because I created it*. Why do you not seem to understand that?

    specifically, but you've chosen to take what I say in the worst possible

    Please spare me the drama. You responded to someone else who was posting about their new website working well to say "No it doesn't work well. Oh well!". There was no intention of having a meaningful dialog with me; you weren't even responding to me. Nothing in your 1 line post had anything constructive in it.

    We've been down this road before. You don't even use Mystic and your blend of "help" in this case is clearly spiteful (and is historically this way).

    I can believe that sometimes when you jump into my conversations and start picking apart and twisting things I say in an effort to make me "wrong"... that you might interpret that as trying to help me. But this is not what you did in this case. Even when you do it comes off as overbearing. You don't need to prove to me you're smart, I know you are (you know, since I'm a physician! ;) )

    know what to tell you. If you want to have a technical dialogue, I'm
    happy to do that; I've implemented web servers before.

    Thanks for the offer, but I've not asked for technical dialog with you. I don't see where there is any indication that I need it, and I think I've been clear with you.

    I've also implemented web server code. Mystic is one of them in case you're somehow confused. :) But I've also done step up authentication using Vasco tokens/JSP along with a reverse proxy web server, custom apache plugins in C, thread pooling load tested with epic concurrency... And not for fun. For IBM.

    In the meanwhile, Physician, heal thyself.

    Oh please... lol

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 07:27:55
    %ALL is in A39 :)

    Wow missed that post, I guess I owe you a thank you again!


    Havok

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 09:02:58
    Why on earth do you think I should ask you anything? I've very clearly explained that its alpha, its been in Mystic alpha for only 4 days, and its not finished. Several others have told you the same thing.

    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the relevant standard. If someone says, "hey, this doesn't work right" then
    instead of defensively lashing out against that person, you could ask
    them what's wrong with it. You clearly aren't interested in that, though,
    so I'm sorry I bothered trying.

    The server responds with GET because only GET is implemented. Clearly I know what it does and doesn't do *because I created it*. Why do you not seem to understand that?

    No, the server "implements" the others in that it responds to ANY
    request as a GET.

    We've been down this road before. You don't even use Mystic and your
    blend of "help" in this case is clearly spiteful (and is historically
    this way).

    It's amazing how you feel license to tell me what's in my head.

    I've asked you to support that assertion and you haven't. I don't use
    Mystic because you don't support the use case I told you I had, and I
    got insulted for suggesting the use case. I think it's pretty clear
    now that you aren't going to be able to support that use case, either.

    It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy....

    Thanks for the offer, but I've not asked for technical dialog with you.
    I don't see where there is any indication that I need it, and I think
    I've been clear with you.

    I see. Sorry I sent in a problem report with your software, then.

    [snip detailed explanation of your experience with web stuff]
    And not for fun. For IBM.

    I'm sorry, that must have been rough.

    Do you happen to know Jerry D. Stuckle? You two would probably get along
    well; he's an ex-IBM'er.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 06:35:51
    On 04/26/18, tenser said the following...
    Why on earth do you think I should ask you anything? I've very clear explained that its alpha, its been in Mystic alpha for only 4 days, a its not finished. Several others have told you the same thing.
    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the

    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing

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  • From Static@21:2/140 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:55:31
    On 04/26/18, tenser said the following...

    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the relevant standard.

    Half of github would need to be taken down if that were the case. The only thing you're really responsible for is making sure you're not doing anything illegal. As tidy as it would be for all publicly posted software to be feature complete and standards compliant that would mean no early or in-progress access.

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to dream master on Thursday, April 26, 2018 14:16:24
    On 04/26/18, dream master said the following...

    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing

    Yup. I tested it, found a bug, reported.

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to Static on Thursday, April 26, 2018 14:16:56
    Half of github would need to be taken down if that were the case. The
    only thing you're really responsible for is making sure you're not doing anything illegal. As tidy as it would be for all publicly posted
    software to be feature complete and standards compliant that would mean
    no early or in-progress access.

    Perhaps. Anyway, a bug has been reported. It's up to him if he wants
    to fix it or not.

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 16:06:14

    Hello tenser!

    26 Apr 18 09:02, you wrote to g00r00:

    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to
    the relevant standard. If someone says, "hey, this doesn't work right" then instead of defensively lashing out against that person, you could
    ask them what's wrong with it. You clearly aren't interested in that, though, so I'm sorry I bothered trying.

    With all due respect... Then stop.

    g00r00 has quite effectively explained the situation to you. But apparently by by your continuation of this thread you seem determined to want the negativity to continue. You have offered you opinion. Please do everyone a favor and please
    let it go.

    No response is either needed or desired. And no response will be offered.


    Jeff


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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 14:41:58
    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the

    Whats implemented is working fine. It doesn't seem to matter how many other people along with myself have said this to you; you refuse to listen to anything you didn't say. Look at the subject of the message and move on.

    I'm not "defensively lashing out". I've been through this stuff with you before and I am asking you to not bring it here to the Mystic support area/network. I am making it clear (again) that what you do isn't wanted here.

    If you truly believe your one line comment about Mystic being broken (posted to someone else not even me) was you "being helpful and providing a bug report" (your words), then I can only say that there is a reality, and there is what your massively warped version of reality.

    Thanks for the offer, but I've not asked for technical dialog with yo I don't see where there is any indication that I need it, and I think I've been clear with you.

    I see. Sorry I sent in a problem report with your software, then.

    LOL! But you *DIDN'T DO THAT*. *Nothing you're saying actually happened*

    And just look how I am "defensively lashing out at you" in the paragraph! I can't believe how awful I was in that message full of smiley faces, honest opinion, and jokes. I'm such a horrible person.

    You posted a one line message to Hawk to trash the web server because he said it works nice (see subject) and now you're trying to bend truth so that everyone is wrong or the bad guy. THIS. IS. WHAT. YOU. ALWAYS. DO.

    It's amazing how you feel license to tell me what's in my head.

    You don't have the option to decide how your actions are interpreted by other people. When other people explain the how things you do are interpreted by them, its not them "telling you whats in your head". Its them telling you how you come off to people who are NOT in your head.

    Whether you like it or not the way people perceive you is important, and its often not difficult to judge a persons intentions by their actions and their history of actions.

    If your intentions were to do anything but start problems you'd have sent a post TO ME that said something like "Hey I saw the server always responds with GET is that something you're working on?" like literally everyone else does.

    There is only so much of your bullshit I'm going to take before its time to call you out on it. Its not a coincidence that you just happened to show up here when you don't even use Mystic just after this happens elsewhere.

    No one is buying the story you're selling... just move on.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 14:42:51
    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing

    Yup. I tested it, found a bug, reported.

    What you did wasn't a "bug report" nor is it a bug. Move on...

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Static on Thursday, April 26, 2018 17:55:43
    anything illegal. As tidy as it would be for all publicly posted
    software to be feature complete and standards compliant that would mean
    no early or in-progress access.

    Exactly. There is absolutely NO ONE who would want to wait 2 more years for me to enable the web server and allow people to help test it because it still has to have features added to it. No using Mystic would want that.

    Some people always seem to think they know whats best for everyone but fail to take even the most basic things into consideration.

    Just about the entire software world works in the same way that I am doing things. Its difficult to believe someone could claim to be a "career professional developer" but not understand even the most basic concepts of how software is created and evolves...

    You can't go from start and immediately land on the finish line, you have to run the race.

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to dream master on Thursday, April 26, 2018 17:07:10
    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing

    Some test so far everything seems stable as h*ll!


    Havok

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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 15:47:12

    If you truly believe your one line comment about Mystic being broken (posted to someone else not even me) was you "being helpful and
    providing a bug report" (your words), then I can only say that there is
    a reality, and there is what your massively warped version of reality.

    All I have to say about this whole thing... YOU ROCK g00r00! All of the hard work you do on Mystic is very much appreciated by all of us. Simply ignore
    the people that want to Trash-Talk the work you do without ever using it.

    I think I speak for everyone here. You Rock and are Great!

    ----=[ Gary Crunk * Another F-ing BBS * anotherbbs.bbsindex.com ]=----

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 18:55:36

    Hay g00r00

    After running Wildcat for 20 plus years I think you do a great job, with that said what more can be said but this!

    Thank you for all your work!


    Havok

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to garycrunk on Thursday, April 26, 2018 19:56:40

    I think I speak for everyone here. You Rock and are Great!

    I'm sure you do!


    Havok

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  • From tenser@21:1/112 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 21:12:14
    This is my last post on the matter, and my last to g00r00.

    On 04/26/18, g00r00 said the following...

    You posted a one line message to Hawk to trash the web server because he said it works nice (see subject) and now you're trying to bend truth so that everyone is wrong or the bad guy. THIS. IS. WHAT. YOU. ALWAYS. DO.

    In the maybe, 10 or so messages I have ever exchanged with you have,

    1. Called me an idiot.
    2. Repeatedly questioned my professionalism and experience.
    3. Suggested that I should "thank" you for software you have not
    provided me.
    4. Told me that my "skills" are inferior to yours.
    5. Tried to impress me with your high school, collegiate, and
    professional experience in the Pentagon and at IBM.
    6. Accused me of having some personal vendetta against you.
    7. Accused me of "trash-talking" your software because I pointed
    out that it contains demonstrable bugs.
    8. Suggested that I'm the type of guy who gets beat up by LARPers
    (which was actually mildly funny, but still...).
    9. Suggested that I don't "run a real BBS" (as if that's some
    indicator of technical worth... Nevermind that I run public
    access Unix systems with tens of thousands of users).
    A. Told me to "be cool" and "chill" while not doing so yourself.

    Somehow, based on interacting with me an incredibly small number of
    times, you have decided that these things you imagine about me are,
    "what I always do."

    When asked direct technical questions, you ignore them.

    All of that is absurd.

    To boot, this is against the backdrop of you repeatedly making
    technically inaccurate statements (much that you've said about
    how revision control, Unix/Linux, and TCP/IP implementations on
    Unix works) and exaggerated claims that are manifestly false
    (that Mystic has a million lines of code; one can see the open
    source version of Mystic and it's obvious that's just not true).

    I've backed up my claims with citations and pointers to
    prior work, RFCs, etc, and even given you pointers to my
    personal web site (http://pub.gajendra.net), my Github site (https://github.com/dancrossnyc) and even my QRZ page (https://qrz.com/db/AC2OI) for kicks. I've seen nothing from
    you backing up your statements, even when asked for such
    directly.

    You will believe what you want, however, and it's clear that
    interacting with you is not useful. So, very well, I won't do
    so anymore. Certainly not on fsxNet, which you seem to feel
    you have some "ownership" of and hopefully nowhere else, either.
    It's a waste of my time, and evidently of yours as well.

    It's sad that this place would rather have technical inaccuracies
    stand in its archives than be corrected so that people can benefit
    and use it as a learning resource, but there it is.

    Feel free to have the last word.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to tenser on Friday, April 27, 2018 13:52:04
    On 04/26/18, tenser pondered and said...

    interacting with you is not useful. So, very well, I won't do
    so anymore. Certainly not on fsxNet, which you seem to feel
    you have some "ownership" of and hopefully nowhere else, either.
    It's a waste of my time, and evidently of yours as well.

    Hi there.

    I appreciate you're frustrated and have shared as to why you feel this way. I do agree it's not worth engaging further on this topic as it won't be productive for you, g00r00 and/or anyone reading the thread.

    You've done your best to make the points you wanted to and others have done the same. And that's as good as anyone can do / ask for. In this case I think
    it's now at a point where you would agree it best to "agree to disagree and move on".

    It's sad that this place would rather have technical inaccuracies
    stand in its archives than be corrected so that people can benefit
    and use it as a learning resource, but there it is.

    I don't think that's a fair representation of what's been happening here. You have stated your concerns and thoughts and those are documented just as much
    as any other replies / responses made as a result of yours and/or others comments.

    Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and for having the
    insight when to leave things at that for this particular thread.

    You're most welcome to post in fsxNet is you want to continue to do so. I
    just ask (like I do of everyone active in the network) that you do so respectfully and in the spirit of having fun and being helpful. Refer my post in FSX_GEN if you're not sure what I'm going on about :)

    With thanks, Paul

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to tenser on Thursday, April 26, 2018 18:28:24
    On 04/26/18, tenser said the following...
    On 04/26/18, dream master said the following...
    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing
    Yup. I tested it, found a bug, reported.

    Hi,
    but you said you don't run the software so how can you say something is not working when your not using it as a production bbs?

    |08 .|05ú|13ù|15Dr|07e|08am Ma|07st|15er|13ù|05ú|08.
    |08 øù|05ú|13ùø |13øù|05ú|08ùø
    |11 DoRE|03!|11ACiDiC|03!|11Demonic |08[|15dreamland|09.|15darktech|09.|15org|08]

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: |08--[|15!|07dreamland BBS dreamland.darktech.org (21:1/163)
  • From dream master@21:1/163 to Havok on Thursday, April 26, 2018 18:30:16
    On 04/26/18, Havok said the following...
    dude it's an alpha. it's out there for testing
    Some test so far everything seems stable as h*ll!

    yeah and can't wait for more features added such as ssi for cgi-bin

    |08 .|05ú|13ù|15Dr|07e|08am Ma|07st|15er|13ù|05ú|08.
    |08 øù|05ú|13ùø |13øù|05ú|08ùø
    |11 DoRE|03!|11ACiDiC|03!|11Demonic |08[|15dreamland|09.|15darktech|09.|15org|08]

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: |08--[|15!|07dreamland BBS dreamland.darktech.org (21:1/163)
  • From Havok@21:4/119 to dream master on Friday, April 27, 2018 00:28:34

    yeah and can't wait for more features added such as ssi for cgi-bin

    Laughing leave it to you!

    Agreed...


    Havok

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: After Hours|The Villages,FL|afterhours-bbs.com (21:4/119)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Static on Friday, April 27, 2018 15:56:00
    Static wrote to tenser <=-

    On 04/26/18, tenser said the following...

    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the relevant standard.

    Half of github would need to be taken down if that were the case. The
    only thing you're really responsible for is making sure you're not
    doing anything illegal. As tidy as it would be for all publicly posted software to be feature complete and standards compliant that would mean
    no early or in-progress access.

    Yep, it's a WIP (funny that, it IS an alpha! ;) ), and many open source releases don't fully implement a standard while that part of the code is in active development. If the non compliance worries anyone, don't run the HTTP server just yet, and keep an eye on it. Probably won't worry me, I'm most likely to only need GET requests anyway. I'm currently not running the HTTP server, it's still on the todo list, I just gopt my existing services running when I upgraded to A39. :)


    ... Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed.
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  • From Ktulu@21:2/122 to tenser on Friday, April 27, 2018 01:26:10
    You're just not happy, unless you've had the last word are you? I've read
    this entire thread between you and g00r00, and I 100% agree with him, you're just being a troll. You're not happy unless you're upsetting the apple cart. You feel the utmost need to make your point heard, and make yourself stand
    out among the crowd. I think this entire thing should either be dropped or taken to netmail, so that I don't have to read this crap anymore.

    Have a day.


    In the maybe, 10 or so messages I have ever exchanged with you have,

    |08---
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    |07telnet://bbs.asylumbbs.net port 28

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Insane Asylum (21:2/122)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to Ktulu on Friday, April 27, 2018 16:47:16
    You're just not happy, unless you've had the last word are you? I've
    read this entire thread between you and g00r00, and I 100% agree with
    him, you're just being a troll. You're not happy unless you're
    upsetting the apple cart. You feel the utmost need to make your point heard, and make yourself stand out among the crowd. I think this
    entire thing should either be dropped or taken to netmail, so that I
    don't have to read this crap anymore.

    I read the thread too, and came up with a different opinion, but it
    doesn't really matter does it? No one wins in these arguments. Both
    tenser and gOOrOO have a lot of experience in their fields and we could
    all win by having their presence in the net.

    As far as I can see it is over now.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: Exotica BBS - telnet://exoticabbs.com:2023/ (21:1/125)
  • From Beery@21:4/109 to Ktulu on Friday, April 27, 2018 07:42:15
    Amen!

    On 04/27/18, Ktulu said the following...

    You're just not happy, unless you've had the last word are you? I've read this entire thread between you and g00r00, and I 100% agree with him, you're just being a troll. You're not happy unless you're upsetting the apple cart. You feel the utmost need to make your point heard, and make yourself stand out among the crowd. I think this entire thing should either be dropped or taken to netmail, so that I don't have to read this crap anymore.

    Have a day.

    --Beery Miller -- 9640 News BBS -- 9640news.ddns.net:9640 --

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: 9640 News BBS (21:4/109)
  • From Zazz@21:1/134 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 26, 2018 17:04:31
    No one wants to deal with a problematic know-it-all who is a constant downer, and no one wants constant negativity in this echo. If you can't be cool, just don't be here. I am pretty sure I can speak for everyone here in that regard.

    100% in agreement!

    Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
    Mystic Prison Board Sysop
    telnet://pb.darktech.org:24
    Web: www.rdfig.net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Mystic Prison Board BBS*Mesquite Tx (21:1/134)
  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Ktulu on Friday, April 27, 2018 19:00:21
    I think this entire thing should
    either be dropped or taken to netmail, so that I don't have to read this

    I agree, thank you for stating that!


    Havok

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: After Hours|The Villages,FL|afterhours-bbs.com (21:4/119)
  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to garycrunk on Saturday, April 28, 2018 01:35:48
    All I have to say about this whole thing... YOU ROCK g00r00! All of the hard work you do on Mystic is very much appreciated by all of us.
    Simply ignore the people that want to Trash-Talk the work you do without ever using it.

    I think I speak for everyone here. You Rock and are Great!

    Thank you Gary, that means a lot.

    I do not want to keep this going and I have a lot going on right now. But it helps to leave things on a positive note. :)

    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A40 2018/04/28 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)
  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to tenser on Saturday, April 28, 2018 04:21:25
    In the maybe, 10 or so messages I have ever exchanged with you have,

    Lets preface all of this with: You came here. I didn't come to you. Even on the other networks, I never commented to you. Its you who finds me. When you start an interaction and appear (to me) to be an aggressor I will respond as such.

    I think you need to take some responsibility for your own actions. I am not aggressive in general, but I DO aggressively defend myself, my product, and my community if I think someone could be a problem.

    Have I misjudged people in the past? I have and I do admit it.

    Have I misjudged you? Nearly impossible at this point... because you prove my point every time you keep this going after many of us have said our peace and asked you to stop.

    1. Called me an idiot.

    No, I don't think there is a message in FSX_MYS where I've done that. Have I done that in our past out of frustration, maybe yes? I don't know. But I am not afraid to say I have if I did. I truly think I didn't do that. On that note:

    If you **can't show where I've done that in FSX_MYS** then I hope you'll see your accusations versus what really happened, and offer an *epic apology* like a fucking legit person. I will do the same if the role is reversed.

    2. Repeatedly questioned my professionalism and experience.

    I've never questioned you until you refused to listen to me (and others) regarding Mystic HTTP being an alpha/test version, while you obsesses over a "bug report" that you never made regarding something that isn't even a bug...

    The reason you started interacting with me in the very beginning was to question why I am not open sourced anymore. There is no career professional developer who pushes for open sourced projects like you did, but then flip flops and says EVERY project has a "responsibility to release complete and functional code".

    You change your opinions depending on what you want to prove. Your untruths bring everything about you into question. Its not me doing it, its you.

    4. Told me that my "skills" are inferior to yours.

    I've never said that. If I did that then point out the message here in FSX_MYS where I did. If you can't then you should apologize to me and everyone else here for what you're doing.

    I don't assume to know what your technical skills are, but I can say that you REGULARLY do so to literally everyone else as you try to explain to them that they're "wrong" and that they "should have asked you" for help. And if any of them don't think they need your help or disagree with you about anything your ego simply cannot handle it.

    I tried to explain to you my experience after you told that "you had experience" and that "I should ask you for help"... but then you convince yourseld that I am simply "trying to impress you"... ROFL... WTF...

    5. Tried to impress me with your high school, collegiate, and
    professional experience in the Pentagon and at IBM.

    There is only one person in this ENTIRE NETWORK who thinks that I am in any way trying to "impress you" throughout this conversation, and that is you.

    Yep I have worked for IBM and yes I have worked in the Pentagon for the US Department of Defense. I stood looking at a massive hole in the side of the building alongside of the most powerful military minds in the fucking world...

    I am pretty sure that most people here will agree its not cool posting details about people's personal lives without their permission. The information in itself that you're posting about me should be enough to tell you to shut the fuck up, even before you say it.

    6. Accused me of having some personal vendetta against you.

    At this point many might see what I do now... But yes, as far as I can tell you do. You *DO NOT* use Mystic and you came here when you found out this was the Mystic network within a day after I ignored you on another network. I do not believe that was a random coincidence.

    You're making up entire situations (at least 4 separate things now) that never ever happened and are easily debunked through the message thread.

    I think you have malicious intentions and I think you've done nothing but prove me right.

    7. Accused me of "trash-talking" your software because I pointed
    out that it contains demonstrable bugs.

    You demonstrated ZERO bugs, and you reported NOTHING. How many times do multiple people have to call you out on this before you'll pull yourself out of fantasy land?

    You posted a one line message to someone who isn't me. That person posted that they're happy with the web server (see subject). You responded to them to say (almost verbatim) "No its not nice, oh well". Thats what you did. Thats it.

    I responded and gave you the obvious and clear explanation and asked you to stop. 20 posts later you're still going on about things that were clearly explained to you by 10 different people, while making up your own blend of bullshit that never happened along the way. ITS. WHAT. YOU. DO.

    8. Suggested that I'm the type of guy who gets beat up by LARPers
    (which was actually mildly funny, but still...).

    LOL Yeah I *DID* say that previously somewhere else...

    "Dude you're the type of guy that gets beat up by raging LARPers after they lose their YU-GI-OH match" or something close to that...

    Yeah it was a dick thing to say and I own that.

    9. Suggested that I don't "run a real BBS" (as if that's some
    indicator of technical worth... Nevermind that I run public
    access Unix systems with tens of thousands of users).

    Like many other things you say, I never said you don't run a "real BBS". Point me to that FSX_MYS sir, because we're all waiting for ONE THING you're saying to be true. What I did say was that you don't run a BBS and you don't run Mystic, both are true as of a week or so ago.

    Do you not realize that every time you try to make up these fake scenarios that more and more people start to consider you absurd?

    A. Told me to "be cool" and "chill" while not doing so yourself.

    All things considered, I don't think I've not been chill overall especially considering you're a repeat offender and I called it immediately... only for you to go on to prove me right.

    You've responded to messages full of smiley faces and jokes only to talk about how angry and defensive and aggressive I am. Give it up dude. No one is buying your story but yourself.

    I'm asking you to chill or leave, its that simple. And anyone can see that.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A40 2018/04/28 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)
  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to g00r00 on Saturday, April 28, 2018 05:33:09
    I do not want to keep this going and I have a lot going on right now.
    But it helps to leave things on a positive note. :)
    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    g00r00;

    I understand. No sense in spending "Any More" time on someone like that other guy and his B.S. ...

    Yes, I can imagine you've a lot of irons in the fire, and if there is anything I can do to help somehow, just let me know. If I can help I
    certainly will.

    As for Mystic being on hiatus, it's all good. You do what you need to
    do, we (all) stand behind you in support of you. You do what you need to do for yourself and your family. Please just remember that you have many many people here that are your friends and will do whatever we can for you.

    ----=[ Gary Crunk * Another F-ing BBS * anotherbbs.bbsindex.com ]=----

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Another F-ing BBS (21:4/126)
  • From Gryphon@21:1/120 to tenser on Saturday, April 28, 2018 13:02:58
    On 04/26/18, tenser said the following...

    Why on earth do you think I should ask you anything? I've very clear explained that its alpha, its been in Mystic alpha for only 4 days, a its not finished. Several others have told you the same thing.

    Seems to me that if you put software on the public Internet, you have
    some responsibility to make sure it works correctly with respect to the

    Really? Are you really that sanctimonious?

    relevant standard. If someone says, "hey, this doesn't work right" then instead of defensively lashing out against that person, you could ask
    them what's wrong with it. You clearly aren't interested in that, though, so I'm sorry I bothered trying.

    Except you didn't do any of that. You didn't say "this doesn't work right". You didn't even say it was broken, or has a bug, or offered a bug report.

    You said "It's not particularly faithful to the HTTP standard, unfortunately. Oh well."

    Ain't none of that is helpful.

    I'm with g00r00. It sounded to me like you were being passive-aggressive and looking for a reason to beat down James and Mystic.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/04 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | cyberia.darktech.org | San Jose, CA (21:1/120)
  • From Havok@21:4/119 to g00r00 on Saturday, April 28, 2018 16:14:09
    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    Hay you deserve, good work!

    Now take a break...


    Havok

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: After Hours|The Villages,FL|afterhours-bbs.com (21:4/119)
  • From Gryphon@21:1/120 to Avon on Saturday, April 28, 2018 13:12:49
    On 04/27/18, Avon said the following...

    You're most welcome to post in fsxNet is you want to continue to do so. I just ask (like I do of everyone active in the network) that you do so respectfully and in the spirit of having fun and being helpful. Refer my post in FSX_GEN if you're not sure what I'm going on about :)

    I have responded in this thread before I saw your post. Please disregard it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/04 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | cyberia.darktech.org | San Jose, CA (21:1/120)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gryphon on Sunday, April 29, 2018 10:47:17
    On 04/28/18, Gryphon pondered and said...

    I have responded in this thread before I saw your post. Please
    disregard it.

    All good.. no probs.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Sunday, April 29, 2018 10:52:21
    On 04/28/18, g00r00 pondered and said...

    I do not want to keep this going and I have a lot going on right now.
    But it helps to leave things on a positive note. :)
    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    Hi g00r00

    Thank you for getting 1.12 A39 out before your break from Mystic.

    I think everyone appreciates that we're all juggling other demands in our
    daily lives. I agree with Gary. Just take the time you need to do other things and we'll look forward to when you're ready and able to come back and do some more on the project :)

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Avon on Saturday, April 28, 2018 19:42:48
    I think everyone appreciates that we're all juggling other demands in our daily lives. I agree with Gary. Just take the time you need to do other things and we'll look forward to when you're ready and able to come back and do some more on the project :)

    Agreed, take a break we'll be around to welcome you back to your great work
    and blood, sweat and tears!

    Enjoy your time with work, family, frinds and your own time!


    Havok

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: After Hours|The Villages,FL|afterhours-bbs.com (21:4/119)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to g00r00 on Sunday, April 29, 2018 12:32:00
    g00r00 wrote to garycrunk <=-

    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    Take a well earned break, you've been very busy with Mystic of late, loving the A39 alpha. :)


    ... Quiet, don't type so hard, I've got a headache!
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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to g00r00 on Saturday, April 28, 2018 21:48:52
    On 04/28/18, g00r00 said the following...

    For everyone here: Mystic is officially on hiatus. Sorry guys :(

    Don't be sorry. You deserve some time off.

    You've created an awesome BBS package, and put many hours into it. Take some time for yourself. We will be here when you get back. ;)


    ---

    Black Panther
    a.k.a. Dan Richter
    Sysop - Castle Rock BBS (RCS)
    telnet://bbs.castlerockbbs.com
    http://www.castlerockbbs.com
    The sparrows are flying again....

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Sunday, April 29, 2018 21:01:04
    On 04/28/18, g00r00 pondered and said...

    When you start an interaction and appear (to me) to be an aggressor I
    will respond as such.

    [snip]

    prove my point every time you keep this going after many of us have said our peace and asked you to stop.

    Hi g00r00

    I appreciate you're frustrated over what seems to be an increasingly longer list of points of contention between the both of you spanning this echo and an othernet (by the sounds of it).

    I think it's a good idea if both parties disengage now. As you mention (above) it's best to stop. So in that spirit let's not keep this thread going any further please.

    Best, Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Avon on Sunday, April 29, 2018 22:10:21
    I think it's a good idea if both parties disengage now. As you mention (above) it's best to stop. So in that spirit let's not keep this thread going any further please.

    I agree. Now did you send the same message to the person came here, started this, and refused to stop... Or just me? Because that'd be pretty
    messed up if it was just the latter.

    At this point I won't be using FSX in any capacity anymore, so no need to worry.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A40 2018/04/28 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to g00r00 on Monday, April 30, 2018 13:03:16
    I agree. Now did you send the same message to the person came here, started this, and refused to stop... Or just me? Because that'd be
    pretty messed up if it was just the latter.

    He sent a similar longer one to tenser, it's a few pages back, but it was before you posted your reply. And he hasn't responded since...

    At this point I won't be using FSX in any capacity anymore, so no
    need to worry.

    Ok then, but I have to ask why? Is it because Paul politely requested the thread to stop? Or because of the couple of recent exchanges?

    At anyrate, I guess I wont see your posts anymore, so I'd like to take
    the opportunity to wish you the best in your future endeavors.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: Exotica BBS - telnet://exoticabbs.com:2023/ (21:1/125)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Monday, April 30, 2018 15:07:07
    On 04/29/18, g00r00 pondered and said...

    I think it's a good idea if both parties disengage now. As you mentio (above) it's best to stop. So in that spirit let's not keep this thre going any further please.

    I agree. Now did you send the same message to the person came here, started this, and refused to stop... Or just me? Because that'd be
    pretty messed up if it was just the latter.

    Yep, I posted a reply to Tenser several days ago suggesting it best to stop, which he has. So nope, my suggestions have not just been directed at you. I think we can all agree continued back and forth between the two of you would
    be counter productive and I think both parties have made their points.

    At this point I won't be using FSX in any capacity anymore, so no need to worry.

    You've lost me with this comment. I understand you're taking a break, if
    you're saying you're not coming back to FSX then that's sad to learn of.

    I hope your hiatus goes well and we see you active again here down the track.

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to g00r00 on Sunday, April 29, 2018 20:25:20
    Re: Re: A39 Web Server is nice
    By: g00r00 to Avon on Sun Apr 29 2018 10:10 pm

    I agree. Now did you send the same message to the person came here, started this, and refused to stop... Or just me? Because that'd be pretty messed up if it was just the latter.

    Yes, he did.

    At this point I won't be using FSX in any capacity anymore, so no need to worry.

    I hope in a very large way that you will feel differently about this in the morning.

    I know a very large number of SysOps who run Mystic (and those of us who connect with a number of Mystic systems) like having you here to talk to (not always so nice, I know) about Mystic and how it works for us.

    Your contribution to BBSing is huge and we'd like it if you stayed here with us.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    ... It is the privilege of fools to laugh at persons of sense
    --- SBBSecho 3.04-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to g00r00 on Monday, April 30, 2018 02:09:36

    Hello g00r00!

    29 Apr 18 22:10, you wrote to Avon:

    I think it's a good idea if both parties disengage now. As you
    mention (above) it's best to stop. So in that spirit let's not
    keep this thread going any further please.

    I agree. Now did you send the same message to the person came here, started this, and refused to stop... Or just me? Because that'd be
    pretty messed up if it was just the latter.

    Yes... Avon posted a message to both parties. (Or as I perceived it to everyone)

    At this point I won't be using FSX in any capacity anymore, so no need
    to worry.

    He came here with the percieved attitude to see if he could "Stir the pot" and feed off the negativity and discontent that he created. Why give him the satisfaction that he was able to push any buttons? We as users of Mystic appreciate your efforts and your presence here. We also appreciate your willingness to listen to and interact with the users of Mystic. Please do
    not let the actions of one individual to change that. You would only be giving him a power that he very much does not deserve. Just my thoughts on the subject.



    Jeff


    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303 / Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ouijaboard II - Anoka, MN (21:1/128)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to Jeff Smith on Monday, April 30, 2018 17:46:08

    He came here with the percieved attitude to see if he could "Stir the
    pot" and feed off the negativity and discontent that he created.

    I disagree with this. I don't think that was his intention at all, the
    internet and in general the written word it is almost impossible to tell peoples intentions, especially as most of us are not professional
    writers.

    I am more inclined to think it was miscommunication which spiraled out of control. I don't know what happens on other networks, but here it was an offhand remark about the web server which was perceived as an attack and
    things went downhill.

    I know you were trying to make gOOrOO feel better, and that's good of
    you, but I don't think making tenser out to be a bad guy is the right way
    to go, after all, it takes two to tango as they say.

    Andrew

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to apam on Monday, April 30, 2018 04:53:38

    Hello apam!

    30 Apr 18 17:46, you wrote to me:


    He came here with the percieved attitude to see if he could "Stir
    the pot" and feed off the negativity and discontent that he
    created.

    I disagree with this. I don't think that was his intention at all, the internet and in general the written word it is almost impossible to
    tell peoples intentions, especially as most of us are not professional writers.

    The exception that I take is that IF that was the case he would have acknowledged
    and accepted the initial response(s) from g00r00 and others. Instead he chose to
    continue and prolong the conflict. In my mind his actions as well as his written
    word indicated his intent.

    I have no problem with him or anyone having a differing viewpoint with someone else.
    And IF that was all it had appeared to have been then I wouldn't have expressed

    any
    objection. It's when one goes beyond the point of agreeing to disagree. That IMHO
    is when one's intent becomes evident.

    I don't think however that he intended or it was his goal for g00r00 to take a step
    back from FSXNET.


    Jeff


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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Jeff Smith on Monday, April 30, 2018 20:53:54

    Hello apam!

    30 Apr 18 17:46, you wrote to me:


    He came here with the percieved attitude to see if he could "Stir
    the pot" and feed off the negativity and discontent that he
    created.

    I disagree with this. I don't think that was his intention at all internet and in general the written word it is almost impossible
    tell peoples intentions, especially as most of us are not profess writers.

    The exception that I take is that IF that was the case he would have acknowledged and accepted the initial response(s) from g00r00 and
    others. Instead he chose to continue and prolong the conflict. In my
    mind his actions as well as his written word indicated his intent.

    Did you read the exchange? It started with an offhand remark about
    mystic's webserver's compliance to standards, to which gOOrOO replied in
    full on attack mode.

    I don't think it's Trollish behavior to defends oneself from an attack.

    Andrew

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to apam on Monday, April 30, 2018 08:08:17

    Hello apam!

    30 Apr 18 20:53, you wrote to me:

    Did you read the exchange?

    Yes I did. In fact I went back and read previous posts to better understand both sides of the interaction.

    It started with an offhand remark about
    mystic's webserver's compliance to standards, to which gOOrOO replied
    in full on attack mode.

    I will leave that as your perception of the exchange just as I have expressed mine.

    I don't think it's Trollish behavior to defends oneself from an
    attack.

    True. But we just differ as to who the attacker and the attackee were. I
    think we both have sufficiently expressed our opinions on the matter.


    Jeff


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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Jeff Smith on Tuesday, May 01, 2018 08:40:31
    I don't think it's Trollish behavior to defends oneself from an attack.

    True. But we just differ as to who the attacker and the attackee
    were. I think we both have sufficiently expressed our opinions on the matter.

    Arguing about an argument is a bit silly.

    However, even though we disagree who the attacker or the attackee was,
    both parties must feel pretty crap after such an exchange, which is why I
    think once it's over, continuing to drag one half of the argument through
    the mud in order to try and appease the other half is not right.

    Andrew

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