• Re: AREAFIX response

    From syrinxcultist@21:1/167 to AREAFIX on Friday, December 01, 2017 02:19:39
    Your AREAFIX request has been processed

    Command: %LINKED
    Result: List of all linked areas:
    FSX_GEN
    FSX_MYS
    FSX_BOT
    FSX_CRY
    FSX_BBS

    Command: %UNLINKED
    Result: List of all unlinked areas:


    I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through right
    now and thought I would also post this..

    Where's the file echos?

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  • From bcw142@21:1/145.2 to syrinxcultist on Friday, December 01, 2017 10:41:26
    On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...

    Your AREAFIX request has been processed

    Command: %LINKED
    Result: List of all linked areas:
    FSX_GEN
    FSX_MYS
    FSX_BOT
    FSX_CRY
    FSX_BBS

    Command: %UNLINKED
    Result: List of all unlinked areas:


    I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through
    right now and thought I would also post this..

    Where's the file echos?


    Have they been created? For mystic the standard menu used M for messages and they show up there, an I gets an Indexed List of all areas if things are working and setup right. LINKED means you'll get things going forward, to get the older messages send %RESCAN to AREAFIX, it will pull in all linked areas. In truth they 'live' in /mystic/msgs but that's no way to really read them, does show you their created though.

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  • From syrinxcultist@21:1/167 to bcw142 on Friday, December 01, 2017 12:55:52
    On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...

    Your AREAFIX request has been processed

    Command: %LINKED
    Result: List of all linked areas:
    FSX_GEN
    FSX_MYS
    FSX_BOT
    FSX_CRY
    FSX_BBS

    Command: %UNLINKED
    Result: List of all unlinked areas:


    I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through right now and thought I would also post this..

    Where's the file echos?


    Have they been created? For mystic the standard menu used M for messages and they show up there, an I gets an Indexed List of all areas if things are working and setup right. LINKED means you'll get things going
    forward, to get the older messages send %RESCAN to AREAFIX, it will pull in all linked areas. In truth they 'live' in /mystic/msgs but that's no way to really read them, does show you their created though.

    I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creating the
    file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to syrinxcultist on Friday, December 01, 2017 12:45:29
    I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through
    right now and thought I would also post this..

    Where's the file echos?

    Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to syrinxcultist on Friday, December 01, 2017 14:03:42
    I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creating
    the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/

    It won't create anything until you actually get a file to put in the base.

    You also have to enable auto-create I think if you haven't.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Saturday, December 02, 2017 08:06:19
    On 12/01/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.

    Kinda like daytime is for work, nightime is for BBsing and Mystic :)

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  • From syrinxcultist@21:1/167 to g00r00 on Friday, December 01, 2017 14:35:43
    Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.

    hah, ya... still no lucky tho =/

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  • From syrinxcultist@21:1/167 to g00r00 on Friday, December 01, 2017 14:36:35
    I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creatin the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/

    It won't create anything until you actually get a file to put in the
    base.

    You also have to enable auto-create I think if you haven't.

    how do i get the hub to send older files?

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  • From syrinxcultist@21:1/167 to Avon on Friday, December 01, 2017 14:37:04
    On 12/02/17, Avon said the following...

    On 12/01/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.

    Kinda like daytime is for work, nightime is for BBsing and Mystic :)

    lol! i just quit my job... all time if for the later

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to Avon on Friday, December 01, 2017 17:47:30
    Hello Avon,

    On 12/01/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.

    Kinda like daytime is for work, nightime is for BBsing and Mystic :)

    When ya get to be a certain age it all becomes one big blur. Sometimes I am working on this stuff at 2 in the afternoon and sometimes at 2 in the morning.

    Jeff

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to syrinxcultist on Saturday, December 02, 2017 01:30:00
    Hello syrinxcultist,

    On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...

    I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creating the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/

    One option would be to import a FSX_FILE.NA file. Importing the .NA file will create the Mystic file areas. Once created it would be wise to check the file area settings to make sure they are as you desire.

    Imported or auto-created file areas will be empty until files start to come in or you manually upload them to the file areas.

    I imported the existing Fsxnet file areas and have Mystic set to auto-create any new file areas should any files for unknown areas arrive.


    Jeff

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  • From bcw142@21:1/145.2 to syrinxcultist on Saturday, December 02, 2017 08:30:32
    On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...

    I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not cr the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/

    It won't create anything until you actually get a file to put in the base.

    You also have to enable auto-create I think if you haven't.

    how do i get the hub to send older files?

    You don't, only the hub can send files at present. The main consideration is that files are generally much larger bases than messages (which are often zipped). To keep from overloading the hub there is no %RESCAN for files.
    That's the way it is for mystic, Avon can send stuff and has every so often sent a file base out rather than just new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was
    limited in size (thus time) in some way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN could work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases which are generally much smaller.
    The way to do it is to go to the hub and download the files a few at a time. Another way is ftp if it's up. Create the empty file base, fsx_info as an example. CD in to it, then ftp to the hub and download all the files using
    ftp to that file base. Then you need to 'Upload' them to the base by entering files, that file base and doing the sysop /U command to 'Mass Upload' the files. Then you can do L for list and should see all the files there now. It will import the file_id.diz files and use them for descriptions automatically.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to bcw142 on Saturday, December 02, 2017 13:32:55
    new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some
    way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN could work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases which

    I am open to discussion on how we can make this work with everyone here. We could maybe do a sized-limited RESCAN option at some point?

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Sunday, December 03, 2017 12:56:56
    On 12/02/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

    new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN cou work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases whic

    I am open to discussion on how we can make this work with everyone here. We could maybe do a sized-limited RESCAN option at some point?

    Interesting observation. Today I hatched out three larger ANSI art packs.

    You will have already seen the impact on BinkP server - the HUB got to 16 connections running simultaneously pulling down the files while Fidopoll started at xx and ended at 12:11pm after polling 12 nodes set to CRASH
    traffic.

    [snip]

    Dec 03 07:26:57 Queued 6 files (89832972 bytes) to 21:1/102
    Dec 03 07:26:57 Polling BINKP node 21:1/102 by IPV4
    Dec 03 07:26:57 Connecting to error404bbs.ddns.net
    Dec 03 07:26:57 Connected

    [snip]

    4.5 hours later....

    [snip]

    Dec 03 12:11:04 Queued 0 files (0 bytes) to 21:1/199
    Dec 03 12:11:04 Scanning 21:3/100
    Dec 03 12:11:04 Queued 0 files (0 bytes) to 21:3/100
    Dec 03 12:11:04 Scanning 21:1/200
    Dec 03 12:11:04 Queued 0 files (0 bytes) to 21:1/200
    Dec 03 12:11:04 Polled 12 nodes

    [snip]

    Once Fidopoll had ended there were approx. 15 packets waiting to be processed that had banked up in echomail\in during this time. Not ideal.

    Some ideas.

    I tend to think it would be good if a HUB could set the following

    Max file size a node can be Fidopolled with, so if the file is larger than X
    it should sit in the filebox waiting for the node to poll the BinkP server.

    I know fileboxes don't work that way but that's the idea I have :)

    Perhaps also a way of setting something on a file base by file base basis...
    so that either a HUB can force files hatched from that base above X size to
    be held for nodes to poll and collect, or if the setting is set to None, then all files hatched from that filebase must be polled for an won't ever be sent as CRASH traffic by Fidopoll.

    I guess you argue the same for message bases but I really think this is only going to be an issue for file bases.

    It would be good (soon) to introduce the extra ACS style settings for a HUB operation to allow better control over nodes linking/delinking /rescan etc.
    for echo and file bases.

    I know I am forever having to delink the new sysop node /999 from all the
    file echos as new folks are flexing their filefix muscles.. :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From Nugax@21:1/107 to All on Saturday, December 02, 2017 20:09:25
    Rescan is a good idea.

    On 07:32 02/12 , g00r00 wrote:
    new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some
    way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN could work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases which

    I am open to discussion on how we can make this work with everyone here. We >could maybe do a sized-limited RESCAN option at some point?

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Avon on Saturday, December 09, 2017 23:06:44
    You will have already seen the impact on BinkP server - the HUB got to 16 connections running simultaneously pulling down the files while Fidopoll started at xx and ended at 12:11pm after polling 12 nodes set to CRASH traffic.

    Dec 03 07:26:57 Queued 6 files (89832972 bytes) to 21:1/102

    Yep and that is only a handful of files! This is exactly why I haven't yet allowed this move, despite many people asking for it:

    To: Filefix
    Subj: OMGGIMMEFILES
    +ALL
    %RESCAN

    Once Fidopoll had ended there were approx. 15 packets waiting to be processed that had banked up in echomail\in during this time. Not ideal.

    I agree it would be nice to not have that bottleneck. The good news is I do think there are several things we can do and I think a combination of ideas
    is the best way.

    Max file size a node can be Fidopolled with, so if the file is larger
    than X it should sit in the filebox waiting for the node to poll the
    BinkP server.
    I know fileboxes don't work that way but that's the idea I have :)

    So am I correct in thinking these files would already be sitting in each node's filebox? If that is the scenario we're talking about then adding a size threshold for outbound polling I think would be pretty painless for me to do.

    As I know you are more aware than anyone, Mystic's BINKP seems to be holding up quite well under extreme load in these latest alphas, so another option would be to open up FIDOPOLL so that it will open X amount of connections at once instead of crashing each node sequentially.

    I've been considering merging FIDOPOLL into MIS and then we'd just see MIS message window telling us "Connecting to X, sending X, receiving X" showing up when its sending stuff out. We would have a configurable number of simultaneous outbound connections instead of crashing sequentially.

    The combination of the two is what I think would be ideal, but...

    The third idea because at the time of a filebox crash, the BINKP protocol doesn't know much about the origin of a file so having an association between the file and the file base it came from would be needed for FIDOPOLL to pull that configuration information. It wouldn't be impossible, but I don't know the investment of time would be worth it in comparison to the other two ideas above.

    I know I am forever having to delink the new sysop node /999 from all the file echos as new folks are flexing their filefix muscles.. :)

    Shame on them! Hopefully I'll be able to stop that soon.

    I don't know if you've seen the most recent configuration changes yet, but there is now a "Networking" tab. That was "step 1" of my plan for implementing the echomail security/group system. Hopefully soon I'll be able to get something put together.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Nugax on Saturday, December 09, 2017 23:15:00
    Rescan is a good idea.

    I wish it were that simple but it has to be managed carefully.

    Avon's just recently said hatching 3 files took 5 hours to send. Now turn that 3 into 3000 and you have 15,000 hours to send where you cannot get your echomail because nodes are doing a file echo rescan.

    15,000 hours is nearly 2 years. I am going to assume that most nodes would not like to wait nearly 2 years between echomail packets being sent to them. :)

    Obviously my example is crazy extreme because not all nodes will do a rescan of file bases all at once, but I've already had several people say "Hey I want to do +ALL %RESCAN can you add that in!" I think a couple of people just this week did it.

    If a handful of people did that at once I don't think its unheard of that we could get stuck in a scenario where it would take a month to send the queue, causing echomail to get stuck for a month.

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to g00r00 on Saturday, December 09, 2017 23:57:50
    On 12/09/17, g00r00 said the following...

    Obviously my example is crazy extreme because not all nodes will do a rescan of file bases all at once, but I've already had several people
    say "Hey I want to do +ALL %RESCAN can you add that in!" I think a
    couple of people just this week did it.

    There are quite a few reasons no other software ever implemented this feature for filefix. Rescanning messages from areafix is one thing.. but who knows
    how many files are in a file area, and who knows the size of all of them.
    We're not trying to give out leech access, there are other protocols for that (FTP and HTTP comes to mind).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Accession on Saturday, December 09, 2017 23:22:05
    On 12/09/17, Accession said the following...

    Obviously my example is crazy extreme because not all nodes will do a rescan of file bases all at once, but I've already had several people say "Hey I want to do +ALL %RESCAN can you add that in!" I think a couple of people just this week did it.

    There are quite a few reasons no other software ever implemented this feature for filefix. Rescanning messages from areafix is one thing.. but

    I would have to agree with you on that.

    who knows how many files are in a file area, and who knows the size of
    all of them. We're not trying to give out leech access, there are other protocols for that (FTP and HTTP comes to mind).

    Exactly. I'm connected to one Fido file echo uplink, who has files from many years ago still on his system. I'm sure if someone did a rescan of his
    system, they would be downloading for many hours.

    Also, you can add to that list of protocols, the person can get the files the old-fashioned way. "Call" the BBS and download them. ;)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Sunday, December 10, 2017 20:46:47
    On 12/09/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Yep and that is only a handful of files! This is exactly why I haven't yet allowed this move, despite many people asking for it:

    To: Filefix
    Subj: OMGGIMMEFILES
    +ALL
    %RESCAN

    It should be noted that in my reported example it was just three files, but each file was 31, 22, and 32 megabytes each... so pretty big by BBS file transfer standards and it was I think the fact they were so much larger (compared to a let's say a 2 megabyte copy of a Mystic installer) and that I suspect the binkp protocol might be not a very fast protocol in terms of file transfers?? that caused the issue when you add 52 nodes all either polling in for those x 3 larger files and/or fidopoll trying to CRASH them out to them sequentially.. and that sequential thing is a pain in the rear when you start getting up in node count.

    I agree it would be nice to not have that bottleneck. The good news is
    I do think there are several things we can do and I think a combination
    of ideas is the best way.

    :)

    Max file size a node can be Fidopolled with, so if the file is larger than X it should sit in the filebox waiting for the node to poll the BinkP server.
    I know fileboxes don't work that way but that's the idea I have :)

    So am I correct in thinking these files would already be sitting in each node's filebox? If that is the scenario we're talking about then adding
    a size threshold for outbound polling I think would be pretty painless
    for me to do.


    Yes you are correct they are tossed out to fileboxes as part of a hatching exercise then fidopoll send is usually run thereafter... nodes start to poll
    in a fidopoll starts working very hard trying to push stuff out, one node at
    a time..

    As I know you are more aware than anyone, Mystic's BINKP seems to be holding up quite well under extreme load in these latest alphas, so another option would be to open up FIDOPOLL so that it will open X
    amount of connections at once instead of crashing each node sequentially.

    I had been thinking of this also and ... hang a tic...

    [time passes]

    there it is... just looking at my wishlist notes from May this year

    [snip]

    ***

    The ability for fidopoll to allow for more than one connection
    with a Binkp server when it polls so when a system polls another
    (or th fsxNet HUB) and has multiple files to send/pick up it can
    connect on several Binkp ports and pull down files etc. faster
    vs. sitting on one port and tieing it up for a long time as files
    are transferred.

    ***

    [snip]

    So yep, I was pondering this some time ago.

    I've been considering merging FIDOPOLL into MIS and then we'd just see
    MIS message window telling us "Connecting to X, sending X, receiving X" showing up when its sending stuff out. We would have a configurable number of simultaneous outbound connections instead of crashing sequentially.

    Perhaps as a starter can you not just enable more concurrent outbound connections from the standalone fidopoll? The one thing I really like about having fidopoll standalone at the moment is that I can clearly see what is happening when it's running. My only worry about merging with MIS (and I can well see why you would want to) is retaining that ability to just look at outbound realtime polling activity without it getting lost in the MIS message window also working to display incoming info, events info etc..

    If you do opt to go with merging to MIS can you add some more toggles so a sysop can filter the real time output on the fly?

    The third idea because at the time of a filebox crash, the BINKP protocol doesn't know much about the origin of a file so having an association between the file and the file base it came from would be needed for FIDOPOLL to pull that configuration information. It wouldn't be impossible, but I don't know the investment of time would be worth it in comparison to the other two ideas above.

    I'm not sure I really follow this one to be honest (but now it's late here
    and once again my brain is fried - most of the day I have been thinking
    Mystic stuff and juggling weekend family commitments) so if the concurrent sessions for fidopoll can be enabled I'd say go for this first if it's easier.

    file echos as new folks are flexing their filefix muscles.. :)

    Shame on them! Hopefully I'll be able to stop that soon.

    ta!

    I don't know if you've seen the most recent configuration changes yet,
    but there is now a "Networking" tab. That was "step 1" of my plan for implementing the echomail security/group system. Hopefully soon I'll be able to get something put together.

    I have just updated (see my tear line) and am about to poke about the new UI. It's a good idea on your part to group these items in the most logical way
    etc. and equally good to allow space for growth :)

    ..and yes please, and thanks for any time you can put in to the echomail/file security/group system... once that is sorted and bedded in I will be looking
    to retire BinkD and FastEcho from my Fido HUB and use Mystic to handle that..
    I am also keen to have some degree of HUB control over the ability of nodes
    to connect to echos/file bases unchecked.. aka the /999 scenario discussed already :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From Jeff Smith@21:1/128 to g00r00 on Sunday, December 10, 2017 16:23:42
    Hello g00r00,

    Rescan is a good idea.

    I wish it were that simple but it has to be managed carefully.
    Avon's just recently said hatching 3 files took 5 hours to send. Now turn that 3 into 3000 and you have 15,000 hours to send where you cannot get your echomail because nodes are doing a file echo rescan.
    15,000 hours is nearly 2 years.

    I think that the capability of allowing a rescan of echomail is all well and good. If managed correctly. But as has been pointed out the effect on the sending system could easily be overwhelming. There are a number of alternative ways to acquire files IF they are deemed that important.

    I recently watched as a 80 meg file came in from a Fido file echo. I can only imagine the load on the uplink's system as her system tried to send the file out to all her downlinks. And that was just a single file. Imagine a rescan of that file area.


    Jeff

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Black Panther on Sunday, December 10, 2017 21:41:21
    On 12/09/17, Black Panther said the following...

    Exactly. I'm connected to one Fido file echo uplink, who has files from many years ago still on his system. I'm sure if someone did a rescan of his system, they would be downloading for many hours.

    Do they also have those files available for download via the BBS and/or FTP/HTTP?

    Also, you can add to that list of protocols, the person can get the
    files the old-fashioned way. "Call" the BBS and download them. ;)

    Holy crap. Is that even a thing these days? ;)

    Jokes aside, I guarantee you that's why there was never a filefix rescan capability. In these smaller networks it may be okay, but once you get 100+ files in an echo, the rescan will not go well. Limiting the amount of downloads, sure.. it's possible, but.. wasted effort, in my opinion. If the
    hub also caters their file areas via another method, and you really really really need all those files, get them that way.

    Who knows. I may be becoming an old-timer that doesn't know anything anymore. So, your miles may vary. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Avon on Sunday, December 10, 2017 21:43:55
    On 12/10/17, Avon said the following...

    It should be noted that in my reported example it was just three files, but each file was 31, 22, and 32 megabytes each... so pretty big by BBS file transfer standards and it was I think the fact they were so much larger (compared to a let's say a 2 megabyte copy of a Mystic installer) and that I suspect the binkp protocol might be not a very fast protocol
    in terms of file transfers?? that caused the issue when you add 52 nodes all either polling in for those x 3 larger files and/or fidopoll trying
    to CRASH them out to them sequentially.. and that sequential thing is a pain in the rear when you start getting up in node count.

    Which is another great reason for shitcanning the RESCAN option for filefix. Sorry to say kids, but this is a bad idea. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Accession on Sunday, December 10, 2017 21:29:23
    On 12/10/17, Accession said the following...

    Exactly. I'm connected to one Fido file echo uplink, who has files fr many years ago still on his system. I'm sure if someone did a rescan his system, they would be downloading for many hours.

    Do they also have those files available for download via the BBS and/or FTP/HTTP?

    They are available via all methods. FTP/HTTP and via his BBS.

    Also, you can add to that list of protocols, the person can get the files the old-fashioned way. "Call" the BBS and download them. ;)

    Holy crap. Is that even a thing these days? ;)

    Not as much as it was waaaaay back when. :)

    Jokes aside, I guarantee you that's why there was never a filefix rescan capability. In these smaller networks it may be okay, but once you get 100+ files in an echo, the rescan will not go well. Limiting the amount
    of downloads, sure.. it's possible, but.. wasted effort, in my opinion.
    If the hub also caters their file areas via another method, and you
    really really really need all those files, get them that way.

    I agree. I don't think it would be a good idea to implement a filefix rescan. Just looking at what happened to Paul's system when he hatched out 3 larger files. It took hours for everyone to actually get those.

    Who knows. I may be becoming an old-timer that doesn't know anything anymore. So, your miles may vary. ;)

    I think we all are. ;) They say your only as old as you feel. If that's the case, I'm about 120 today...


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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Avon on Monday, December 11, 2017 21:24:52
    If you do opt to go with merging to MIS can you add some more toggles so
    a sysop can filter the real time output on the fly?

    I do have filtering in the messages window on the list of things to experiment with. Along with the idea to tail any of the logs in its own tab, so you could just tail fidopoll.log in a tab of its own.

    I was intending to allow it to still be executed from the command line as
    well. You'd just type "MIS FIDOPOLL" or "MIS FIDO" instead of just FIDOPOLL, ie:

    mis fido forced

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  • From bcw142@21:1/145.3 to Accession on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 06:56:14
    Jokes aside, I guarantee you that's why there was never a filefix rescan capability. In these smaller networks it may be okay, but once you get 100+ files in an echo, the rescan will not go well. Limiting the amount
    of downloads, sure.. it's possible, but.. wasted effort, in my opinion.
    If the hub also caters their file areas via another method, and you
    really really really need all those files, get them that way.

    Who knows. I may be becoming an old-timer that doesn't know anything anymore. So, your miles may vary. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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    I suspect that would take a lot of setup to really work.

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