Your AREAFIX request has been processed
Command: %LINKED
Result: List of all linked areas:
FSX_GEN
FSX_MYS
FSX_BOT
FSX_CRY
FSX_BBS
Command: %UNLINKED
Result: List of all unlinked areas:
Your AREAFIX request has been processed
Command: %LINKED
Result: List of all linked areas:
FSX_GEN
FSX_MYS
FSX_BOT
FSX_CRY
FSX_BBS
Command: %UNLINKED
Result: List of all unlinked areas:
I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through
right now and thought I would also post this..
Where's the file echos?
On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...
Your AREAFIX request has been processed
Command: %LINKED
Result: List of all linked areas:
FSX_GEN
FSX_MYS
FSX_BOT
FSX_CRY
FSX_BBS
Command: %UNLINKED
Result: List of all unlinked areas:
I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through right now and thought I would also post this..
Where's the file echos?
Have they been created? For mystic the standard menu used M for messages and they show up there, an I gets an Indexed List of all areas if things are working and setup right. LINKED means you'll get things going
forward, to get the older messages send %RESCAN to AREAFIX, it will pull in all linked areas. In truth they 'live' in /mystic/msgs but that's no way to really read them, does show you their created though.
I think I saw a thread about this but I'm too sleepy to read through
right now and thought I would also post this..
Where's the file echos?
I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creating
the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/
Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.
Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.
I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creatin the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/
It won't create anything until you actually get a file to put in the
base.
You also have to enable auto-create I think if you haven't.
On 12/01/17, g00r00 pondered and said...
Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.
Kinda like daytime is for work, nightime is for BBsing and Mystic :)
On 12/01/17, g00r00 pondered and said...
Areafix is for message bases, Filefix is for file bases.
Kinda like daytime is for work, nightime is for BBsing and Mystic :)
On 12/01/17, syrinxcultist said the following...
I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not creating the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/
I tried FILEFIX and it shows all file echos linked. It's not cr the file bases... I'll try %RESCAN =/
It won't create anything until you actually get a file to put in the base.
You also have to enable auto-create I think if you haven't.
how do i get the hub to send older files?
new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some
way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN could work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases which
new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN cou work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases whic
I am open to discussion on how we can make this work with everyone here. We could maybe do a sized-limited RESCAN option at some point?
new files. Perhaps if %RESCAN was limited in size (thus time) in some
way so it only sent so much at a time and spaced it out a %RESCAN could work, but that makes it much more complicated then message bases which
I am open to discussion on how we can make this work with everyone here. We >could maybe do a sized-limited RESCAN option at some point?
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A36 2017/12/01 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)
You will have already seen the impact on BinkP server - the HUB got to 16 connections running simultaneously pulling down the files while Fidopoll started at xx and ended at 12:11pm after polling 12 nodes set to CRASH traffic.
Dec 03 07:26:57 Queued 6 files (89832972 bytes) to 21:1/102
Once Fidopoll had ended there were approx. 15 packets waiting to be processed that had banked up in echomail\in during this time. Not ideal.
Max file size a node can be Fidopolled with, so if the file is larger
than X it should sit in the filebox waiting for the node to poll the
BinkP server.
I know fileboxes don't work that way but that's the idea I have :)
I know I am forever having to delink the new sysop node /999 from all the file echos as new folks are flexing their filefix muscles.. :)
Rescan is a good idea.
Obviously my example is crazy extreme because not all nodes will do a rescan of file bases all at once, but I've already had several people
say "Hey I want to do +ALL %RESCAN can you add that in!" I think a
couple of people just this week did it.
Obviously my example is crazy extreme because not all nodes will do a rescan of file bases all at once, but I've already had several people say "Hey I want to do +ALL %RESCAN can you add that in!" I think a couple of people just this week did it.
There are quite a few reasons no other software ever implemented this feature for filefix. Rescanning messages from areafix is one thing.. but
who knows how many files are in a file area, and who knows the size of
all of them. We're not trying to give out leech access, there are other protocols for that (FTP and HTTP comes to mind).
Yep and that is only a handful of files! This is exactly why I haven't yet allowed this move, despite many people asking for it:
To: Filefix
Subj: OMGGIMMEFILES
+ALL
%RESCAN
I agree it would be nice to not have that bottleneck. The good news is
I do think there are several things we can do and I think a combination
of ideas is the best way.
Max file size a node can be Fidopolled with, so if the file is larger than X it should sit in the filebox waiting for the node to poll the BinkP server.
I know fileboxes don't work that way but that's the idea I have :)
So am I correct in thinking these files would already be sitting in each node's filebox? If that is the scenario we're talking about then adding
a size threshold for outbound polling I think would be pretty painless
for me to do.
As I know you are more aware than anyone, Mystic's BINKP seems to be holding up quite well under extreme load in these latest alphas, so another option would be to open up FIDOPOLL so that it will open X
amount of connections at once instead of crashing each node sequentially.
I've been considering merging FIDOPOLL into MIS and then we'd just see
MIS message window telling us "Connecting to X, sending X, receiving X" showing up when its sending stuff out. We would have a configurable number of simultaneous outbound connections instead of crashing sequentially.
The third idea because at the time of a filebox crash, the BINKP protocol doesn't know much about the origin of a file so having an association between the file and the file base it came from would be needed for FIDOPOLL to pull that configuration information. It wouldn't be impossible, but I don't know the investment of time would be worth it in comparison to the other two ideas above.
file echos as new folks are flexing their filefix muscles.. :)
Shame on them! Hopefully I'll be able to stop that soon.
I don't know if you've seen the most recent configuration changes yet,
but there is now a "Networking" tab. That was "step 1" of my plan for implementing the echomail security/group system. Hopefully soon I'll be able to get something put together.
Rescan is a good idea.
I wish it were that simple but it has to be managed carefully.
Avon's just recently said hatching 3 files took 5 hours to send. Now turn that 3 into 3000 and you have 15,000 hours to send where you cannot get your echomail because nodes are doing a file echo rescan.
15,000 hours is nearly 2 years.
Exactly. I'm connected to one Fido file echo uplink, who has files from many years ago still on his system. I'm sure if someone did a rescan of his system, they would be downloading for many hours.
Also, you can add to that list of protocols, the person can get the
files the old-fashioned way. "Call" the BBS and download them. ;)
It should be noted that in my reported example it was just three files, but each file was 31, 22, and 32 megabytes each... so pretty big by BBS file transfer standards and it was I think the fact they were so much larger (compared to a let's say a 2 megabyte copy of a Mystic installer) and that I suspect the binkp protocol might be not a very fast protocol
in terms of file transfers?? that caused the issue when you add 52 nodes all either polling in for those x 3 larger files and/or fidopoll trying
to CRASH them out to them sequentially.. and that sequential thing is a pain in the rear when you start getting up in node count.
Exactly. I'm connected to one Fido file echo uplink, who has files fr many years ago still on his system. I'm sure if someone did a rescan his system, they would be downloading for many hours.
Do they also have those files available for download via the BBS and/or FTP/HTTP?
Also, you can add to that list of protocols, the person can get the files the old-fashioned way. "Call" the BBS and download them. ;)
Holy crap. Is that even a thing these days? ;)
Jokes aside, I guarantee you that's why there was never a filefix rescan capability. In these smaller networks it may be okay, but once you get 100+ files in an echo, the rescan will not go well. Limiting the amount
of downloads, sure.. it's possible, but.. wasted effort, in my opinion.
If the hub also caters their file areas via another method, and you
really really really need all those files, get them that way.
Who knows. I may be becoming an old-timer that doesn't know anything anymore. So, your miles may vary. ;)
If you do opt to go with merging to MIS can you add some more toggles so
a sysop can filter the real time output on the fly?
Jokes aside, I guarantee you that's why there was never a filefix rescan capability. In these smaller networks it may be okay, but once you get 100+ files in an echo, the rescan will not go well. Limiting the amount
of downloads, sure.. it's possible, but.. wasted effort, in my opinion.
If the hub also caters their file areas via another method, and you
really really really need all those files, get them that way.
Who knows. I may be becoming an old-timer that doesn't know anything anymore. So, your miles may vary. ;)
Regards,
Nick
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