Hello g00r00!

I tried sending this to you via email but Paul suggested that I also post it here. I have for awhile now had issues with a polling loop problem that exists between BBBS and Mystic. I have BBBS setup and had it AKA'ed as 21:1/128 and connected to Paul for FSXNET mail/files. The problem was first noticed when I saw that Paul's system (21:1/100) would block my IP for multiple connects within x seconds. I indeed noticed that BBBS would poll Paul and send any waiting
mail. The session would then close. BBBS would immediately poll 21:1/100 again, and again, and again... Until I would delete the poll. I have had BBBS poll numerous other systems that use a variety of software and BBBS seems to only have a problem when it polls a Mystic system.

I have setup Mystic v1.12 A33 here on a seperate 64b Linux machine. If I have BBBS poll my Mystic BBBS will go into a seemingly endless polling loop. If I have Mystic initiate the poll to BBBS then no polling loop is created. As a temporary workaround I currently have Mystic here setup as 21:1/128 and have
it send FSXNET mail to BBBS and poll Paul (21:1/100) for mail.

I have also contacted Kim Heino (BBBS's Author) on the issue. He responded asking for both my BBBS and Mystic config settings as well as log entries
of the polling loop connections for both BBBS and Mystic. I can certainly provide the same info to you if you would prefer. Let me know any thoughts
or suggestions that you might have.


Jeff


--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
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I tried sending this to you via email but Paul suggested that I also
post it here. I have for awhile now had issues with a polling loop

I do respond here more often than the e-mail but both are "iffy" right now.

I did see your email I just hadn't responded yet. The problem you're describing is that BBBS looping with a poll if the IP is blocked by Mystic, correct?

Is there something related to Mystic that you think is broken?

log entries of the polling loop connections for both BBBS and Mystic. I can certainly provide the same info to you if you would prefer. Let me know any thoughts or suggestions that you might have.

Sure I'll take a look at the logs.

If it happening because your are IP blocked by Mystic, but BBBS just continuously polls then I am not sure the issue has much to do with Mystic. But if its a BINKP error of some sort then definitely send me the logs.

Either way I am here to answer any questions or investigate things if needed.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)

Hello There,


I have been having a popping loop issue between BBBS and Mystic. I have both BBBS and Mystic setup on separate machines here. I did a test with BBBS and Mystic here. As a base I made sure that there was no mail/files waiting in BBBS's outbound to go out to Mystic (1:282/1032). I did a queue check
and I got:

Nodenumber Age Flags Bad Busy Msgs ArcMail Files
---------- --- ------ --- ---- ---- ------- -------

I did a manual poll in BBBS to poll 1:282/1032. The poll showed up in the queue
as it should:

Nodenumber Age Flags Bad Busy Msgs ArcMail Files
---------- --- --------- --- ---- ---- ------- -------
1:282/1032.0 0 IC D 0 0 1 0kB 0kB

BBBS polled Mystic (1:282/1032) as it should of. Once the poll was completed BBBS polled Mystic again repeatedly. Until I deleted the poll from the queue. At which time BBBS immediately stopped polling. It seems that either BBBS doesn't see the poll as having been completed and then deleting the poll from the queue. Or Mystic isn't terminating the connection in a manner that BBBS is properly recognizing. I include Mystic primarily because this polling loop behavior only seems to happen when BBBS connects to Mystic systems. I have polled a variety of other non Mystic systems and have never seen this behavior.

I had resisted posting on the matter in the Mystic or BBBS echos as I didn't want it to seem like I was bashing either piece of software. But... Maybe if I do, it might draw more attention to the matter from others.


Jeff

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
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Hello g00r00!

04 Jun 17 19:05, you wrote to me:

I tried sending this to you via email but Paul suggested that I
also post it here. I have for awhile now had issues with a
polling loop

I do respond here more often than the e-mail but both are "iffy" right now.

I did see your email I just hadn't responded yet. The problem you're describing is that BBBS looping with a poll if the IP is blocked by Mystic, correct?

No. The IP blocking is the result of the polling loop. And given the fact
that Mystic is designed to block IP's after X connects within X seconds. It isn't an unexpected result.

Is there something related to Mystic that you think is broken?

I am not trying to put responsibilty onto either BBBS or Mystic at this
point. I am simply stating an observation of activity between the two
software packages.

I have both BBBS and Mystic setup here on seperate Linux machines. As a
test I made sure there was no outbound mail to be sent out. I checked
BBBS's outbound polling queue and verified that there was no poll pending to the Mystic machine. I then initiated a manual poll in BBBS. I checked
BBBS's outbound queue and the poll showed up as expected. BBBS immediately polled Mystic. The poll completed and BBBS immediately polled Mystic again,
and again, etc. I checked BBBS's poll queue and the poll had not been deleted as I would have expected once the poll had been completed. Based on the exhibited behavior it seems that BBBS isn't detecting that the poll was completed. The question that strikes me odd is that this behavior only
seems to be happening when BBBS polls a Mystic system. I first noticed
this when BBBS was polling Paul's Mystic system and his Mystic system
would block my IP because of the polling loop. And again now when BBBS
polls my Mystic system. I have had BBBS poll a number of other non Mystic systems with no polling loop behavior being observed. And each time the
poll is completed the poll entry in BBBS's poll queue gets deleted as I
would expect. I also have a MO system using BinkD 1.0.5-pre5/Linux and BBBS connects fine with polling loop behavior.

log entries of the polling loop connections for both BBBS and
Mystic. I can certainly provide the same info to you if you would
prefer. Let me know any thoughts or suggestions that you might
have.

Sure I'll take a look at the logs.

I will send the info via an email.

If it happening because your are IP blocked by Mystic, but BBBS just continuously polls then I am not sure the issue has much to do with Mystic.

No. I don't the IP blocking as any contributing factor to the polling
issue.

But if its a BINKP error of some sort then definitely send me
the logs.

It appears that both BBBS and Mystic are using binkp/1.0.

Either way I am here to answer any questions or investigate things if needed.

That's all that anyone can ask or expect. :-)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)

Jeff


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On 06/04/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

BBBS polled Mystic (1:282/1032) as it should of. Once the poll was completed BBBS polled Mystic again repeatedly. Until I deleted the poll from the queue. At which time BBBS immediately stopped polling. It seems that either BBBS doesn't see the poll as having been completed and then deleting the poll from the queue. Or Mystic isn't terminating the connection in a manner that BBBS is properly recognizing. I include
Mystic primarily because this polling loop behavior only seems to happen when BBBS connects to Mystic systems. I have polled a variety of other
non Mystic systems and have never seen this behavior.

It seems on the face of it to be more likely to rest with BBBS - after all
it's the bit of software that's doing the repeated polling not Mystic. That said we do need to try and figure out (if we can) what may be happening with the BinkP session between BBBS and Mystic. Because (as I understand it to be) you're saying it only happens when your BBBS system polls a Mystic system - right?

I had resisted posting on the matter in the Mystic or BBBS echos as I didn't want it to seem like I was bashing either piece of software.

Here is a good place to post your observations and requests for assistance / investigation. The key thing is to try and give as much logging / telemetry etc. as you're able to help folks identify if there is a bug with Mystic and
if found, help to squash it.

You're very good at providing insights and observations Jeff so I think we're in safe hands there :)

But... Maybe if I do, it might draw more attention to the matter from others.

Posting here yes, bashing (which I know you don't do) no.. that would be welcome.

Jeff how about I set up a test system we can use for a few BBBS <> Mystic polling tests and I revert to Alpha 31 (or g00r00 flicks us an updated MIS
with extra logging turned on again (darn I thought we had left that one
behind :)!) as it has extra logging. And then I can share some of the
telemetry here that we discover.

If you have a IP address I can whitelist then that would be good too, but for the test I could always disable auto blocks on the MIS we're playing with.

Sound like a plan Stan? :)

We'll suss this one out yet.

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
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Hello g00r00!

I also have a MO system using BinkD 1.0.5-pre5/Linux and BBBS
connects fine with polling loop behavior.

Make that read no polling loop behavior. I usually do better at proof reading.
:-(

Jeff

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
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On 06/05/17, Avon pondered and said...

But... Maybe if I do, it might draw more attention to the matter from others.

Posting here yes, bashing (which I know you don't do) no.. that would be welcome.

You're also in good company today Jeff... I too can't proof read it seems the above should read "no... that would not be welcome' :) But you figured that
I'm sure. :)

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Hello Avon!

05 Jun 17 19:49, you wrote to me:

On 06/04/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

It seems on the face of it to be more likely to rest with BBBS - after
all it's the bit of software that's doing the repeated polling not
Mystic. That said we do need to try and figure out (if we can) what
may be happening with the BinkP session between BBBS and Mystic.
Because (as I understand it to be) you're saying it only happens when
your BBBS system polls a Mystic system - right?

Correct. I have only seen this behavior by BBBS when it connects/polls a
Mystic system. If Mystic initiates the poll to BBBS then I do not see the
loop behavior.

I had resisted posting on the matter in the Mystic or BBBS echos
as I didn't want it to seem like I was bashing either piece of
software.

Here is a good place to post your observations and requests for
assistance / investigation. The key thing is to try and give as much logging / telemetry etc. as you're able to help folks identify if
there is a bug with Mystic and if found, help to squash it.

You're very good at providing insights and observations Jeff so I
think we're in safe hands there :)

As I have said to James and/or Kim. Answering questions and providing
info is the best way to find answers.

But... Maybe if I do, it might draw more attention to the matter
from others.

Posting here yes, bashing (which I know you don't do) no.. that would
be welcome.

Jeff how about I set up a test system we can use for a few BBBS <>
Mystic polling tests and I revert to Alpha 31 (or g00r00 flicks us an updated MIS with extra logging turned on again (darn I thought we had
left that one behind :)!) as it has extra logging. And then I can
share some of the telemetry here that we discover.

I'm willing. I have both an unused Linux and Win2003 machine that I can use
too if needed

If you have a IP address I can whitelist then that would be good too,
but for the test I could always disable auto blocks on the MIS we're playing with.

Not at the moment unfortunately. It's toward the top of my tasklist to aquire at least one static IP again.

Sound like a plan Stan? :)

Umm... Jeff thinks its a plan too. :-)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Jeff


--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
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Hello Avon!

05 Jun 17 19:59, you wrote to me:

On 06/05/17, Avon pondered and said...

Posting here yes, bashing (which I know you don't do) no.. that
would be welcome.

You're also in good company today Jeff... I too can't proof read it
seems the above should read "no... that would not be welcome' :) But
you figured that I'm sure. :)

Yeah, I noticed the wording but ignored it as I was sure of what you
intended to say. :-)


Jeff


--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
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On 06/05/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

Jeff how about I set up a test system we can use for a few BBBS <> Mystic polling tests and I revert to Alpha 31 (or g00r00 flicks us an updated MIS with extra logging turned on again (darn I thought we had left that one behind :)!) as it has extra logging. And then I can share some of the telemetry here that we discover.

I'm willing. I have both an unused Linux and Win2003 machine that I can use too if needed

If you have a IP address I can whitelist then that would be good too, but for the test I could always disable auto blocks on the MIS we're playing with.

Not at the moment unfortunately. It's toward the top of my tasklist to aquire at least one static IP again.

Sound like a plan Stan? :)

Umm... Jeff thinks its a plan too. :-)

Heh, coolio... OK tomorrow night I will set something up and contact you when ready.

Going to get some zzz soon...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Hello Avon,

Jeff how about I set up a test system we can use for a few BBBS <> Mystic polling tests and I revert to Alpha 31 (or g00r00 flicks us an updated MIS with extra logging turned on again (darn I thought we had left that one behind :)!) as it has extra logging. And then I can share some of the telemetry here that we discover.

Just a thought if it could serve any useful purpose. Awhile back I created a FSX_TST echo that I occasionally used between my BBBS and my Mystic for testing purposes. If not.... No Biggy.


Jeff





--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
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Hello Avon!

05 Jun 17 20:26, you wrote to me:

On 06/05/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

Sound like a plan Stan? :)

Umm... Jeff thinks its a plan too. :-)

Heh, coolio... OK tomorrow night I will set something up and contact
you when ready.

Going to get some zzz soon...

Heck... It's almost 4:00 am Monday here. Time to rise and shine. Although lately I can rise but I refuse to shine. :-)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Jeff


--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20161221 / Mystic v1.12-A33
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On 06/05/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

Heh, coolio... OK tomorrow night I will set something up and contact you when ready.

Going to get some zzz soon...

Heck... It's almost 4:00 am Monday here. Time to rise and shine. Although lately I can rise but I refuse to shine. :-)

Ha!

I am at work (3.49pm Tue) and will be home in a few hours. After dinner I will set up a test BinkP server under Mystic 1.12 A31 (has extended logging) and will let you know the details.

I had Monday off (Public Holiday) and turned by alarm clock off to sleep in
on Monday. Forgot to turn it on last night, slept in by 35 mins this morning. Yipes!

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Jeff Smith wrote to Avon <=-

Heck... It's almost 4:00 am Monday here. Time to rise and shine.
Although lately I can rise but I refuse to shine. :-)

The get up and go, got up and went? :D

It's 2PM Monday here, another quiet hour or so, before heading off to track training *sprints away*. :D


... I tried to drown my problems.. they like beer too!
--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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On 06/05/17, Avon pondered and said...

Jeff how about I set up a test system we can use for a few BBBS Mystic polling tests and I revert to Alpha 31 (or g00r00 flicks updated MIS with extra logging turned on again (darn I thought w left that one behind :)!) as it has extra logging. And then I ca share some of the telemetry here that we discover.

I'm willing. I have both an unused Linux and Win2003 machine that I c use too if needed

If you have a IP address I can whitelist then that would be good but for the test I could always disable auto blocks on the MIS w playing with.

Not at the moment unfortunately. It's toward the top of my tasklist t aquire at least one static IP again.

Sound like a plan Stan? :)

Umm... Jeff thinks its a plan too. :-)

Heh, coolio... OK tomorrow night I will set something up and contact you when ready.

Jeff - I have emailed you with config and set up info. We should be ready to test etc. when you are. I am off to zzz now it's getting late but let me know if you can hit the test system and we'll take it from there :)

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

No. The IP blocking is the result of the polling loop. And given the fact that Mystic is designed to block IP's after X connects within X seconds. It isn't an unexpected result.

Yes, its a configurable setting.

Is there something related to Mystic that you think is broken?

I am not trying to put responsibilty onto either BBBS or Mystic at this point. I am simply stating an observation of activity between the two software packages.

Okay sounds good.

I will send the info via an email.

Thanks I'll take a look although the log detail isn't going to provide much information since I turned the binkp debug logging off as per requested by various people.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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On 06/06/17, g00r00 pondered and said...

Thanks I'll take a look although the log detail isn't going to provide much information since I turned the binkp debug logging off as per requested by various people.

Hopefully Jeff and I can help. We will do some tests with A31 that had it switched on. I hope the code for BinkP has not changed since then? I expect
not :)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
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Thanks I'll take a look although the log detail isn't going to provide much information since I turned the binkp debug logging off as per requested by various people.

As one of those people {chuckle} I thought it was unintentionally left on. If it's important, by all means turn it back on!


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Jeff - I have emailed you with config and set up info. We should be
ready to test etc. when you are. I am off to zzz now it's getting late
but let me know if you can hit the test system and we'll take it from there :)

Great and thanks to both of you for helping to look into this.

If you need a fidopoll version or MIS version with the debug logging on just let me know, I can send you the latest versions with the logging on.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (21:1/108)

Hopefully Jeff and I can help. We will do some tests with A31 that had it switched on. I hope the code for BinkP has not changed since then? I expect not :)

Nope it hasn't changed to my knowledge between 31 and 33.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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As one of those people {chuckle} I thought it was unintentionally left
on. If it's important, by all means turn it back on!

The reason I had it on was "just in case" someone has a problem, so that we'll have a overly detailed log of the session. I can totally understand the annoyance of having all of that nonsense in your logs though when the system is working fine.

What I need to do is just make it have a log level like MUTIL does so we can all turn it off and on as we need to.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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* An ongoing debate between g00r00 and Cmech rages on ...

What I need to do is just make it have a log level like MUTIL does so
we can all turn it off and on as we need to.

That would be cool :)


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Hello g00r00!

06 Jun 17 17:39, you wrote to Avon:

Jeff - I have emailed you with config and set up info. We should
be ready to test etc. when you are. I am off to zzz now it's
getting late but let me know if you can hit the test system and
we'll take it from there :)

Great and thanks to both of you for helping to look into this.

If you need a fidopoll version or MIS version with the debug logging
on just let me know, I can send you the latest versions with the
logging on.

That would be helpfull as it would allow me to better see what is transpiring during the connection between BBBS and Mystic. I also have the BBBS author making test connections using his BBBS system to my Mystic system.


Jeff


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On 06/07/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

Great and thanks to both of you for helping to look into this.

If you need a fidopoll version or MIS version with the debug logging on just let me know, I can send you the latest versions with the logging on.

Yep happy to have that if you would rather I move to A33 with an updated binary. I have A31 running now and can poll Jeff on it but I am not sure Jeff if you have polled me. Oh wait, that's right I saw a message from you :)

Now we need to generate some traffic between our systems I guess :)

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (21:1/101)

Sounds like this could be similar to my issue. Or
My issue is from this. I am trying to connect to a BBBS system. I work fine when I connect to a Maximus.

On 14:52 07/06 , Avon wrote:

On 06/07/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

Great and thanks to both of you for helping to look into this.

If you need a fidopoll version or MIS version with the debug logging on just let me know, I can send you the latest versions with the logging on.

Yep happy to have that if you would rather I move to A33 with an updated >binary. I have A31 running now and can poll Jeff on it but I am not sure Jeff >if you have polled me. Oh wait, that's right I saw a message from you :)

Now we need to generate some traffic between our systems I guess :)

Best, Paul

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--- Mystic BBS/NNTP v1.12 A33 (Linux/64)
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On 06/07/17, Jeff Smith pondered and said...

That would be helpfull as it would allow me to better see what is transpiring during the connection between BBBS and Mystic. I also have
the BBBS author making test connections using his BBBS system to my
Mystic system.

Hi Jeff

I have posted to you via test echo some of the MIS logging.

Do you want the Fidopoll logs as well?

So far seems fine. Just cleartext passwords I note.

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
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Hello Nugax!

07 Jun 17 09:52, you wrote to all:

Sounds like this could be similar to my issue. Or
My issue is from this. I am trying to connect to a BBBS system. I work fine when I connect to a Maximus.

What version or Mystic are you using and what version of BBBS are you connecting to? Paul was running Mystic v1.12 A33 and BBBS/Li6 4.10 Toy-3
would get stuck in polling loop. So far when connecting to Paul's test
Mystic v1.12 A31 system. BBBS only polls Mystic a couple sequential
times instead of endlessly like before.



Jeff


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