• MSGID

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Thursday, April 27, 2017 21:41:51
    Will take some time tomorrow night when I am more awake to review all posts
    and feedback and then respond... thanks to everyone who has been testing.
    It's a pain not to be able to repro what happened to Brian :( I wonder what
    it is/was ... QWK vs QWKE ... replies vs original posts, the way the poster held his tongue when he posted ?? :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From dotslash@21:2/108 to All on Saturday, April 29, 2017 08:06:48
    Hello All,

    Avon wrote to All <=-

    Will take some time tomorrow night when I am more awake to review all posts and feedback and then respond... thanks to everyone who has been testing. It's a pain not to be able to repro what happened to Brian :(
    I wonder what it is/was ... QWK vs QWKE ... replies vs original posts,
    the way the poster held his tongue when he posted ?? :)

    Best, Paul

    A thanks from me to all the "Alpha Testers"! :-) I was reading through all the testing results, but it's a bit difficult to collate everything in the time I have available to me. The one scenario that it does not seem people tested (pardon me if this is untrue) is multiple messages, most of them replies to existing messages, in a QWK REP packet. This is what most often does not work for me, and it would make a massive difference if it did work reliably.


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  • From apam@21:1/125 to dotslash on Saturday, April 29, 2017 17:34:30
    dotslash said....

    Hello All,

    Avon wrote to All <=-

    Will take some time tomorrow night when I am more awake to review all posts and feedback and then respond... thanks to everyone who has been testing. It's a pain not to be able to repro what happened to Brian :(
    I wonder what it is/was ... QWK vs QWKE ... replies vs original posts, the way the poster held his tongue when he posted ?? :)

    Best, Paul

    A thanks from me to all the "Alpha Testers"! :-) I was reading through all
    the
    testing results, but it's a bit difficult to collate everything in the time I have available to me. The one scenario that it does not seem people tested (pardon me if this is untrue) is multiple messages, most of them replies to existing messages, in a QWK REP packet. This is what most often does not work for me, and it would make a massive difference if it did work reliably.

    I don't know, I'm of the mind that if gOOrOO didn't specifically say he worked on the issue, then I doubt it has fixed itself. The issue was it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, though it pretty consistently doesn't when it comes to Necromaster's retronet/bbs add.

    Without knowing if gOOrOO has even done anything worries me that all this testing is really muddying the waters in that it's possible we're just fluking all these successes to the point where general consensus is it's no longer an issue.. until it becomes an issue again.

    If gOOrOO has fixed it, then that's great, but afaik there has been no word as to whether it was even looked at.

    Andrew
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  • From Avon@21:1/179 to apam on Saturday, April 29, 2017 22:16:45

    dotslash said....

    I don't know, I'm of the mind that if gOOrOO didn't specifically say he worked
    on the issue, then I doubt it has fixed itself. The issue was it sometim
    es
    works and sometimes doesn't, though it pretty consistently doesn't when
    it
    comes to Necromaster's retronet/bbs add.

    Without knowing if gOOrOO has even done anything worries me that all thi
    s
    testing is really muddying the waters in that it's possible we're just f luking
    all these successes to the point where general consensus is it's no long
    er an
    issue.. until it becomes an issue again.

    If gOOrOO has fixed it, then that's great, but afaik there has been no w ord as
    to whether it was even looked at.

    The only info I have is what has been added by g00r00 in the whatsnew.txt
    and the fact he had mentioned to me he had worked on those things. I had
    passed the info about the duplicate message ID issue back to him but I
    too am unsure if it's been fixed or not with respect to QWK/QWKE

    I need to set up some kind of offline reader that works for me to test
    things myself. It's not something I have done/used in a long time. The
    last time I used something like that was in 1994/5 and it was Bluewave
    but I do not have a copy of BW that I think is Y2k etc. friendly and
    works for windows 7

    Best, Paul



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  • From Tiny@21:1/130.3 to Avon on Saturday, April 29, 2017 08:16:30
    Quoting Avon to apam <=-

    last time I used something like that was in 1994/5 and it was Bluewave
    but I do not have a copy of BW that I think is Y2k etc. friendly and
    works for windows 7

    I can zip up my directory for you if you want? You will need to install DOSBOX to run it on a modern windows though. That's how I'm typing this
    to you now.

    Shawn

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Sunday, April 30, 2017 15:39:00
    Avon wrote to apam <=-

    The only info I have is what has been added by g00r00 in the
    whatsnew.txt and the fact he had mentioned to me he had worked on those things. I had passed the info about the duplicate message ID issue back
    to him but I too am unsure if it's been fixed or not with respect to QWK/QWKE

    Safest to assume it hasn't been fixed, until confirmed otherwise.

    I need to set up some kind of offline reader that works for me to test things myself. It's not something I have done/used in a long time. The last time I used something like that was in 1994/5 and it was Bluewave
    but I do not have a copy of BW that I think is Y2k etc. friendly and
    works for windows 7

    Multimail is the modern, native alternative, but Bluewave works well in DOSBox under 64 bit Windows. I have Bluewave setup in DOSBox as my backup reader, for when Multimail doesn't work. :)


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  • From bcw142@21:1/145 to apam on Sunday, April 30, 2017 13:44:45
    On 04/29/17, apam said the following...
    I don't know, I'm of the mind that if gOOrOO didn't specifically say he worked on the issue, then I doubt it has fixed itself. The issue was it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, though it pretty consistently doesn't when it comes to Necromaster's retronet/bbs add.

    I suspect he fixed it by fixing the 64k packet problem. I'm thinking they
    were related. It showed up on QWKE first because QWKE packets would be bigger with the extra kludge lines not in QWK. Necromaster has A31 not A32 as far as
    I know so it would fail A27-A31 all had the problems, it may have started before A27 when MSGID was first added.
    The mutil multiple post MSGID problem still exists, so that's hopefully the next little bug to squish.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to bcw142 on Monday, May 01, 2017 09:27:00
    bcw142 wrote to apam <=-

    I suspect he fixed it by fixing the 64k packet problem. I'm thinking
    they were related. It showed up on QWKE first because QWKE packets
    would be bigger with the extra kludge lines not in QWK. Necromaster has A31 not A32 as far as I know so it would fail A27-A31 all had the

    Certainly the tests I've seen in here indicate the MSGID bug in QWK(E) has been fixed, though I prefer to be cautious. Moot point anyway for now, since I haven't got A32. :)

    problems, it may have started before A27 when MSGID was first added.
    The mutil multiple post MSGID problem still exists, so that's hopefully the next little bug to squish.

    Yeah, that would be nice, I could streamline my auto message posts, once this bug is squashed, but at least it's easy to work around.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Friday, May 05, 2017 12:04:41
    On 05/04/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

    I did do one test on this end, and posted three text files to an echo. Each had their own MSGID! :)

    Dan, try running 8 posts of the same thing into the same echoarea.. I am
    seeing some dupe IDs starting to appear. Still testing. :)

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Thursday, May 04, 2017 19:27:33
    On 05/05/17, Avon said the following...

    Dan, try running 8 posts of the same thing into the same echoarea.. I am seeing some dupe IDs starting to appear. Still testing. :)

    I was just looking at the MSGIDs and see that they start to dupe at the third of fourth... Maybe I'll hold off of condensing my .INI files. I'll run a
    couple tests here and confirm what you've been seeing.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Friday, May 05, 2017 13:38:37
    On 05/04/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

    I was just looking at the MSGIDs and see that they start to dupe at the third of fourth... Maybe I'll hold off of condensing my .INI files. I'll run a couple tests here and confirm what you've been seeing.

    Yes I think something is still amiss. I am seeing duplicate patterns emerge
    if multiple posts exceeding 2-3 posts occur. I have been running tests using
    8 posts to the same base using the same text and find while there is some variation in results there are harmonics of the same ID often is messages 2,4,6,8 and the same kind of thing (at times) for 3,5,7

    It does vary a bit but it's certainly not a case of everyone being unique.

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    We're both testing windows 32bit (right?) .. I wonder if it's the same for
    all OS versions? I'd say that's likely the case. I'll try an update my Pi and have a crack at it later on.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Thursday, May 04, 2017 19:40:52
    On 05/05/17, Avon said the following...

    Dan, try running 8 posts of the same thing into the same echoarea.. I am seeing some dupe IDs starting to appear. Still testing. :)

    Ok, I ran two sets of tests here, and did get duplicate IDs. I did only have one set of dupes, per 8 message post, but the dupes are still there... :/


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Thursday, May 04, 2017 19:47:31
    On 05/05/17, Avon said the following...

    Yes I think something is still amiss. I am seeing duplicate patterns emerge if multiple posts exceeding 2-3 posts occur. I have been running tests using 8 posts to the same base using the same text and find while there is some variation in results there are harmonics of the same ID often is messages 2,4,6,8 and the same kind of thing (at times) for 3,5,7

    I haven't seen any patterns in the two test runs that I did. In my first run, the dupes were 3 and 5, and the second run was 4 and 6...

    We're both testing windows 32bit (right?) .. I wonder if it's the same
    for all OS versions? I'd say that's likely the case. I'll try an update
    my Pi and have a crack at it later on.

    I'm actually running the 64bit version on windoze here. I'll upgrade the
    Ubuntu system tonight and see what happens there.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Friday, May 05, 2017 17:06:58
    On 05/04/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

    I haven't seen any patterns in the two test runs that I did. In my first run, the dupes were 3 and 5, and the second run was 4 and 6...

    OK, yep but sorta patterns in that there seems to be a stepping effect.

    I'm actually running the 64bit version on windoze here. I'll upgrade the Ubuntu system tonight and see what happens there.

    Good stuff, I am testing on the Pi and I think there may be NO issues.. so it could be Windows related.. not sure yet.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Friday, May 05, 2017 23:57:41
    On 05/05/17, Avon said the following...

    I'm actually running the 64bit version on windoze here. I'll upgrade Ubuntu system tonight and see what happens there.

    Good stuff, I am testing on the Pi and I think there may be NO issues..
    so it could be Windows related.. not sure yet.

    I got sidetracked last night and didn't get it upgraded yet... I've got that set for a project for this weekend. :)


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Sunday, May 07, 2017 22:36:03
    On 05/05/17, Avon said the following...

    I'm actually running the 64bit version on windoze here. I'll upgrade Ubuntu system tonight and see what happens there.

    Good stuff, I am testing on the Pi and I think there may be NO issues..
    so it could be Windows related.. not sure yet.

    Ok, finally got the Linux system upgraded to A32. I ran the same test that we were for the Windoze systems. Sent 8 text files to same message base via
    MUTIL at once.

    Of the 8 messages, there were only 4 unique MSGIDs assigned to them...

    0d3bbe59
    0745dd59
    0d3bbe59
    0745dd59
    0d3bbe59
    0745dd5a
    0745dd5b
    0745dd59

    What was interesting, is when they were sent to Mystic on the Windoze side, 7 of them were dumped into the Dupe message base. That was something that
    didn't always happen when we were testing in fsxNet.

    I'll set the Linux system up as a point in fsxNet, and try a test in there.
    I'm curious if the dupes will make it out of the Windoze system...


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Monday, May 08, 2017 16:53:37
    On 05/07/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

    Ok, finally got the Linux system upgraded to A32. I ran the same test
    that we were for the Windoze systems. Sent 8 text files to same message base via MUTIL at once.

    Of the 8 messages, there were only 4 unique MSGIDs assigned to them...

    OK well that is interesting. I have also done some further windows debugging and passed the data back to g00r00 as he's trying to understand why systems like ours are creating these dupes and yet some of his tests seem to be
    working fine... so it's still a work in progress :)

    What was interesting, is when they were sent to Mystic on the Windoze side, 7 of them were dumped into the Dupe message base. That was
    something that didn't always happen when we were testing in fsxNet.

    I'll set the Linux system up as a point in fsxNet, and try a test in there. I'm curious if the dupes will make it out of the Windoze system...

    Yep interesting indeed... thanks for the investigations. :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to Black Panther on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 14:43:06
    Of the 8 messages, there were only 4 unique MSGIDs assigned to them...

    There was a problem in that alpha, and I have found and (hopefully) fixed it
    by replacing the MSGID system in all parts of Mystic in A33.

    I'll try to get a release out there soon for everyone.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to g00r00 on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 08:26:00
    g00r00 wrote to Black Panther <=-

    There was a problem in that alpha, and I have found and (hopefully)
    fixed it by replacing the MSGID system in all parts of Mystic in A33.

    I'll try to get a release out there soon for everyone.

    Nice work. :)


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to g00r00 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 17:45:10
    On 05/09/17, g00r00 said the following...

    There was a problem in that alpha, and I have found and (hopefully)
    fixed it by replacing the MSGID system in all parts of Mystic in A33.

    I'll try to get a release out there soon for everyone.

    Sounds good. Thank you.


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