Hi All,

I have the QWK networking up and running properly for 2 networks, I'm trying
to work on the 3rd network, but am having slight connectivity issues.

From what I'm seeing, there is no logging for QWK. Is this correct, or am I missing something? I guess I could create a log and add information via my batch file, if necessary.

For this 3rd network, when I try to poll them, I'm seeing:

- Sending reply packet
- Unable to open data connection
- Downloading QWK packet
- Unable to open data connection
- Send of REP failed; reseting export pointers

I'd like to see more information on what is (or isn't) happening, in order to debug this.

Thanks,


Dan Richter
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On 01/13/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

From what I'm seeing, there is no logging for QWK. Is this correct, or
am I missing something? I guess I could create a log and add information

I think you may be correct, but I have never used it so am not 100% sure

For this 3rd network, when I try to poll them, I'm seeing:

- Sending reply packet
- Unable to open data connection
- Downloading QWK packet
- Unable to open data connection
- Send of REP failed; reseting export pointers

I'd like to see more information on what is (or isn't) happening, in
order to debug this.

qwkpoll uses FTP if I'm not mistaken... have you looked to those logs?

Best, Paul

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On 01/14/17, Avon said the following...

From what I'm seeing, there is no logging for QWK. Is this correct, o am I missing something? I guess I could create a log and add informat

I think you may be correct, but I have never used it so am not 100% sure

It seems like there is no logging for QWK.

I'd like to see more information on what is (or isn't) happening, in order to debug this.

qwkpoll uses FTP if I'm not mistaken... have you looked to those logs?

The FTP logs only show what happens through the FTP server. Since I'm not
using it, the logs are empty.

I think I found the problem isn't on my end. I can't connect to his FTP site with any programs, but I can connect to the other networks. I have to get
with him and see if there is something set up different.

Thanks,


Dan Richter
aka Black Panther
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Hi Black!

13 Jan 2017 10:47, from Black Panther -> All:

I have the QWK networking up and running properly for 2 networks

You know that the current Mystic release has a massive QWK bug?
Mystic generates duplicate MSGIDs, which leads to other tossers deleting the messages as dupes.

CU, Ricsi

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On 01/14/17, Richard Menedetter said the following...

I have the QWK networking up and running properly for 2 networks

You know that the current Mystic release has a massive QWK bug?
Mystic generates duplicate MSGIDs, which leads to other tossers deleting the messages as dupes.

Yes, I do. It should only be a problem if messages are entered at the same
time though. As long as there is a pause between entering messages, it should be ok, right?


Dan Richter
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Black Panther wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-

Yes, I do. It should only be a problem if messages are entered at the
same time though. As long as there is a pause between entering
messages, it should be ok, right?

The MSGID is generated when uploading, so they will be at the same time.


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Hi Black!

14 Jan 2017 10:02, from Black Panther -> Richard Menedetter:

I have the QWK networking up and running properly for 2

You know that the current Mystic release has a massive QWK bug?
Mystic generates duplicate MSGIDs, which leads to other tossers
deleting the messages as dupes.

Yes, I do. It should only be a problem if messages are entered at the
same time though. As long as there is a pause between entering
messages, it should be ok, right?

Nope ... sadly that is not the case.
Mystic takes the REP file, and processes all messages included as if they were entered at the same time.
With very high likelyhood of dublicate MSGIDs.

From my point of view QWK is unusable on those affected versions!
But ad the author seems not reachable, and has not released the source code, there is nothing that can be done except not to use QWK (and also not use the posting utility to post more than 1 message at once, because it has the same bug)

CU, Ricsi

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On 01/15/17, Richard Menedetter said the following...

Mystic takes the REP file, and processes all messages included as if
they were entered at the same time.
With very high likelyhood of dublicate MSGIDs.

Ok, I wasn't aware of that part of it. Although, I will probably be the only one sending messages, and with the way I have things set up, it shouldn't be
a problem. As soon as the message is saved in Mystic, it will send the
message out via qwkpoll. As long as it is able to connect and send the REP
file right away, I should be alright.

From my point of view QWK is unusable on those affected versions!
But ad the author seems not reachable, and has not released the source code, there is nothing that can be done except not to use QWK (and also not use the posting utility to post more than 1 message at once, because it has the same bug)

I was aware of the posting utility, thanks to Paul's videos.

I was under the assumption that g00r00 was just taking an extended leave, but would return early this year to the Mystic project. I didn't think he left completely.


Dan Richter
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On 01/15/17, Vk3jed said the following...

Yes, I do. It should only be a problem if messages are entered at the same time though. As long as there is a pause between entering messages, it should be ok, right?

The MSGID is generated when uploading, so they will be at the same time.

With me being pretty much the only active user on here, it will only be me sending messages out via the networks. My system is set to send the message
out as soon as it's saved. (well, within the 60 seconds it takes Mystic to
pick up on the semaphore file) As long as I can connect to the hub, and not enter messages too fast, I should be alright.

I'll keep an eye on it and see how it works.

Thanks,


Dan Richter
aka Black Panther
Sysop - Castle Rock BBS

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On 01/14/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

I was under the assumption that g00r00 was just taking an extended
leave, but would return early this year to the Mystic project. I didn't think he left completely.

While there is no stated time for g00r00 to return there have been periods before of many months of inactivity followed by bursts of great activity and development. I'd like to think we may see him about again in the coming
months :) Time will tell.

Best, Paul

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On 01/15/17, Avon said the following...

I was under the assumption that g00r00 was just taking an extended leave, but would return early this year to the Mystic project. I didn think he left completely.

While there is no stated time for g00r00 to return there have been
periods before of many months of inactivity followed by bursts of great activity and development. I'd like to think we may see him about again
in the coming months :) Time will tell.

Whew. I thought I missed something, and he had abandoned Mystic. I was
worried for a bit... I hope he comes back soon, as the more I use Mystic, the more I'm loving it... :)


Dan Richter
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On 01/14/17, Black Panther pondered and said...

Whew. I thought I missed something, and he had abandoned Mystic. I was worried for a bit... I hope he comes back soon, as the more I use
Mystic, the more I'm loving it... :)

I'm glad you're enjoying it, I too really like the software and think it's a nice way for many to find their way back in to BBSing... especially as it's been actively developed over 15+ years and has some really nice customization features baked in to it along with the built in BinkP / Telnet etc. servers.

I would be very surprised if g00r00 had abandoned Mystic at this point. I
also hope he opts to return to the scene sooner than later also... but he was certainly ready for a break from it when he departed.

Best, Paul

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Black Panther wrote to Vk3jed <=-

With me being pretty much the only active user on here, it will only be
me sending messages out via the networks. My system is set to send the message out as soon as it's saved. (well, within the 60 seconds it
takes Mystic to pick up on the semaphore file) As long as I can connect
to the hub, and not enter messages too fast, I should be alright.

I have that capability on FTN here, haven't tried it with QWK. :)


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On 01/14/17, Black Panther said the following...

On 01/15/17, Avon said the following...

I was under the assumption that g00r00 was just taking an extend leave, but would return early this year to the Mystic project. I think he left completely.

While there is no stated time for g00r00 to return there have been periods before of many months of inactivity followed by bursts of gre activity and development. I'd like to think we may see him about agai in the coming months :) Time will tell.

Whew. I thought I missed something, and he had abandoned Mystic. I was worried for a bit... I hope he comes back soon, as the more I use
Mystic, the more I'm loving it... :)

FWIW, I think this latest absence was previously announced. He had publicly stated that he was going to take a break and that it was going to be several months long. I seem to remember that he was going to be taking some contract work that was going to take up all his time so he wouldn't have time to work
on Mystic.

So it's not like he just pulled a disappearing act and left everybody wondering.

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On 1/17/2017 3:52 AM, Gryphon wrote:

FWIW, I think this latest absence was previously announced. He had publicly stated that he was going to take a break and that it was going to be several months long. I seem to remember that he was going to be taking some contract work that was going to take up all his time so he wouldn't have time to work on Mystic.

So it's not like he just pulled a disappearing act and left everybody wondering.

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Yes, I remember him saying he was taking on a big job and he cleaned up
some of the code and changed something over in mis or mis2 trying to
make it more reliable and left. At the time I was having trouble with
just what I'm now doing, using the NNTP setup with Thunderbird. He knew
it worked and I just didn't get it somehow, after some time I have it
working just fine now. There really is a lot of change from 1.11 to 1.12
Alpha 31, I have both running right now but am typing on Thunderbird
which sends to 1.12 Alpha 31 which sends it out (my main board). Mystic
is still the easiest setup that has most of the stuff we all use built
in and working. The NNTP fully follows the spec. for Usenet which is
where it started including the 'To: All'.
Now having played with it and tried it like Usenet and like QWK or Binkp
I've changed the names back to the more standard 'FSX_MYS' for here and
such all as the same names Binkp & QWK use and it's much easier to use
that way with Thunderbird at least. Long names was one of the things I
had been fighting with. I even have access to my BBS local areas via
NNTP with no problems now.

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