• mystic and windows update 1903

    From dream master@21:1/163 to All on Thursday, September 26, 2019 12:34:58
    since the 1903 update for win10 the dos doors no longer work with
    mystic. thewin32 doors still do. i am sending an email to
    g00r00 and let him know. ifyou are having the same issue ple
    ase email him as well..úùD
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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to dream master on Friday, September 27, 2019 02:34:34
    since the 1903 update for win10 the dos doors no longer work with mystic. win32 doors still do. i am sending an email to g00r00 and let him know. i you are having the same issue please email him as well.

    I think M$ removed support for 16 bit applications completely. Bummer. Linux
    is trending that way as well but dosemu still sort of hacks things together enough for a decent amount of games to /mostly/ work. I'm hopeful a 3rd party compatibility layer gets released at some point to make doors easy in the future.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to ryan on Saturday, September 28, 2019 00:21:17
    On 27 Sep 2019, ryan said the following...
    since the 1903 update for win10 the dos doors no longer work with mys win32 doors still do. i am sending an email to g00r00 and let him kn you are having the same issue please email him as well.
    I think M$ removed support for 16 bit applications completely. Bummer. Linux is trending that way as well but dosemu still sort of hacks things together enough for a decent amount of games to /mostly/ work. I'm
    hopeful a 3rd party compatibility layer gets released at some point to make doors easy in the future.

    that would suck big time if they did that.

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  • From sPINOZa@21:1/116 to dream master on Saturday, September 28, 2019 13:47:59
    I think M$ removed support for 16 bit applications completely. Bummer
    that would suck big time if they did that.

    They did that for the 64 bit versions ofcourse, but as far as I know the 32
    bit version still supports the 16 bit stuff.

    Check windows features -> legacy components -> NTVDM
    Check if you NTVDM is still enabled or enable/install it by:
    fondue.exe /enable-feature:NTVDM
    Then restart.

    Gtx!
    sPi

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  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to dream master on Saturday, September 28, 2019 13:49:54
    On 26 Sep 2019, dream master said the following...

    since the 1903 update for win10 the dos doors no longer work with mystic. win32 doors still do. i am sending an email to g00r00 and let him know. i you are having the same issue please email him as well.

    I have been able to make 16bit programs like frotz, jzip and infocom
    .exe/.com programs work under Windows 10 32-bit just fine after update 1903. You do need to make some system adjustments that are easy.

    What I did:
    After the update to 1903 the very first 16-bit app I ran was greeted
    with a prompt that asked to update NTVDM so you want to let it perform that update.

    Next I opened a Command Prompt (Console) and clicked the top left of the command prompt window to get the menu, go to PROPERTIES. In the properties
    box that opens, at the bottom of this window put a check mark on "Use legacy console (requires relaunch, affects all consoles)". After you select that
    click OK, then close your command prompt window.

    Now every command prompt (Console) window from here out will run in legacy
    mode allowing your older 16-bit apps to work just like they did before 1903.

    This all worked for my doors, doorway, netfoss, games, etc...

    Hope it helps you if you have not already done so.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to PalKat on Monday, September 30, 2019 03:16:42
    On 28 Sep 2019, PalKat said the following...
    I have been able to make 16bit programs like frotz, jzip and infocom .exe/.com programs work under Windows 10 32-bit just fine after update 1903. You do need to make some system adjustments that are easy.

    but the issue is with 16b doors.

    Next I opened a Command Prompt (Console) and clicked the top left of the command prompt window to get the menu, go to PROPERTIES. In the
    properties box that opens, at the bottom of this window put a check mark on "Use legacy console (requires relaunch, affects all consoles)". After you select that click OK, then close your command prompt window.
    This all worked for my doors, doorway, netfoss, games, etc...

    it is selected and doors dont work. only win32 doors do.

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  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to dream master on Monday, September 30, 2019 12:19:14
    On 30 Sep 2019, dream master said the following...

    but the issue is with 16b doors.

    I just tested a couple 16-bit apps on mine again, they are running and showing up utilizing ntvdm.exe running as a 16-bit task under ntvdm.exe

    it is selected and doors dont work. only win32 doors do.

    Hmmmm....That is interesting, can you give an example/name of a door that is not working?

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to dream master on Monday, September 30, 2019 13:14:10
    it is selected and doors dont work. only win32 doors do.

    Yeah, windows 10 64 bit killed ntvdm, so there's no 16 bit support. You may
    be able to hack something together but I wouldn't personally trust it...I'm
    not sure what the hacks are actually doing.

    Another option would be to run everything in, say, an XP virtual machine. Otherwise you may be able to blow away Windows 64 bit and reinstall 32 bit
    from scratch. I'm not sure how long that'll be maintained, though...

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to PalKat on Monday, September 30, 2019 13:14:56
    but the issue is with 16b doors.

    I just tested a couple 16-bit apps on mine again, they are running and showing up utilizing ntvdm.exe running as a 16-bit task under ntvdm.exe

    If he's using 64 bit Windows 10, ntvdm has been killed and won't work to run
    16 bit doors any more.

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    * Origin: monterey bbs (21:1/168)
  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to ryan on Monday, September 30, 2019 15:41:26
    On 30 Sep 2019, ryan said the following...

    If he's using 64 bit Windows 10, ntvdm has been killed and won't work to run 16 bit doors any more.

    True, I assumed he was under Win 10 32-bit based on his tag line:

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    Other option then is DOSBOX for Windows 64-bit. I got tired of
    dealing with it so went back to Win-32.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to PalKat on Monday, September 30, 2019 23:04:07
    On 30 Sep 2019, PalKat said the following...
    Hmmmm....That is interesting, can you give an example/name of a door
    that is not working?
    lord, lord ][ clans, teos, ny 2008, i can go on. they worked until 1903 update.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to ryan on Monday, September 30, 2019 23:04:45
    On 30 Sep 2019, ryan said the following...
    it is selected and doors dont work. only win32 doors do.
    Yeah, windows 10 64 bit killed ntvdm, so there's no 16 bit support. You may be able to hack something together but I wouldn't personally trust it...I'm not sure what the hacks are actually doing.

    i'm not using 64b only 32b win10

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  • From Zazz@21:1/134 to PalKat on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 11:19:02
    |10On 30 Sep 2019, PalKat said the following...|10

    On 30 Sep 2019, dream master said the following...

    but the issue is with 16b doors.

    I just tested a couple 16-bit apps on mine again, they are running and showing up utilizing ntvdm.exe running as a 16-bit task under ntvdm.exe

    it is selected and doors dont work. only win32 doors do.

    Hmmmm....That is interesting, can you give an example/name of a door
    that is not working?


    I have an issue with one door not working. It is called Classic Solitaire,
    the funny thing is I have other 16bit doors that do work with no issues.
    There is one more door that does not work and it also is a card game and both of these you have to use tp7p5fix.com to reside in memory to work or you get
    a RTE 200.

    Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
    Mystic Prison Board Sysop
    telnet://pbmystic.rdfig.net:24
    Web: www.rdfig.net

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    * Origin: Mystic Prison Board BBS*Mesquite Tx (21:1/134)
  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to dream master on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 13:55:52
    On 30 Sep 2019, dream master said the following...

    On 30 Sep 2019, PalKat said the following...
    Hmmmm....That is interesting, can you give an example/name of a door that is not working?
    lord, lord ][ clans, teos, ny 2008, i can go on. they worked until 1903 update.


    Okay so I already had LORD installed so I just tested it and both
    LORDCFG.exe and LORD.exe (using the batch file to execute like normal)
    worked. While the games was running and I was playing with it I checked task manager which showed its process as Windows Command Processor and when you expand it there is cmd.exe, Console Window Host and NTVDM.exe listed.

    I did not have LORD2 on this Win 10 Mystic VM so I copied it over, configured it for my test mystic and it too worked. Both the L2.exe (game) and L2CFG.exe (configuration tool). When I got into the game through mystic and was playing it I again checked task manager which showed this process also as Windows Command Processor and in it's tree was: cmd.exe, console windows host and NTVDM.exe.

    So I can verify on my end that both lord and lord2 under windows 10 32bit
    build 1903 fully updated works with mystic. Now this is a vanilla Windows 10 32bit build for my Mystic doors development and the only antivirus I am using is the windows 10 built in Defender Antivirus.

    When I have some more spare time I will try the other doors you listed: clans, teos, ny 2008.

    A few more things for you to try if you have not:
    * Use the Compatibility Troubleshooter on those games?
    * Do they run at all bypassing Mystic?
    * Have you tried setting the .exe or .bat properties compatibility to Windows
    7 or even XP?

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  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to Zazz on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 14:05:37
    On 01 Oct 2019, Zazz said the following...

    I have an issue with one door not working. It is called Classic Solitaire, the funny thing is I have other 16bit doors that do work with no issues. There is one more door that does not work and it also is a
    card game and both of these you have to use tp7p5fix.com to reside in memory to work or you get a RTE 200.

    Ahhh the classic pascal compiler error (RTE 200), is there a download for
    your Classic Solitaire? I would like to take a look at that.

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  • From dream master@21:1/163 to PalKat on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 16:58:42
    On 01 Oct 2019, PalKat said the following...
    I did not have LORD2 on this Win 10 Mystic VM so I copied it over, configured it for my test mystic and it too worked. Both the L2.exe
    (game) and L2CFG.exe (configuration tool). When I got into the game through mystic and was playing it I again checked task manager which

    your using a VM this is a normal install. Again everythig works when you run
    it locally but with mystic latest A43 is not working for me and Mike from PCM was able to duplicate the same thing. Were you testing it via telnet not locally? This is making me coo coo i even reinstalled win10 keeping my
    settings and files.

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    |08 øù|05ú|13ùø |13øù|05ú|08ùø
    |11 DoRE|03!|11ACiDiC|03!|11Demonic
    |08[|15bbs|09.|15dreamlandbbs|09.|15org|08]

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  • From Zazz@21:1/134 to PalKat on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 09:38:04
    |10On 01 Oct 2019, PalKat said the following...|10

    On 01 Oct 2019, Zazz said the following...

    I have an issue with one door not working. It is called Classic Solitaire, the funny thing is I have other 16bit doors that do work w no issues. There is one more door that does not work and it also is a card game and both of these you have to use tp7p5fix.com to reside in memory to work or you get a RTE 200.

    Ahhh the classic pascal compiler error (RTE 200), is there a download for your Classic Solitaire? I would like to take a look at that.

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    * Origin: 8-Bit Boyz BBS! -=[ bbs.8bitboyz.com port:6502 ]=- (21:4/137)


    I'll zip mine up and let you have at it.

    Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
    Mystic Prison Board Sysop
    telnet://pbmystic.rdfig.net:24
    Web: www.rdfig.net

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    * Origin: Mystic Prison Board BBS*Mesquite Tx (21:1/134)
  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to dream master on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 15:22:56
    On 01 Oct 2019, dream master said the following...

    from PCM was able to duplicate the same thing. Were you testing it via telnet not locally? This is making me coo coo i even reinstalled win10 keeping my settings and files.

    I was doing it locally, so I did try with telnet and this is almost exactly what the issue was with my infocom games. Locally screen writes are happening but not remotely. As remotely when you execute the game (ex. lord)
    you can see it start up Netfoss then it hangs on the remote end. On
    the local side it is displaying and working just fine in the local user window but on my remote end nothing is happening until you exit the game from the local user window on the mystic server.

    Based on this it does not look at all like a 16-bit issue otherwise the game would not even start locally then when activated remotely by user. This
    really looks more like a screen write issue to me.

    For me the only way I could fix this for infocom games was to use Doorway.
    Have you given doorway a try?

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