Howdy,

Could anyone tell Me why the Sound of Hot Water coming out of the faucet changes in Frequency?

In the Morning the water in the Hot Water Line isn't Hot when I turn the
Faucet On until some water from the Water Heater Tank gets up to the Faucet.

The water is Cold and changes in temperature until the Hot Water from the
Hot Water Tank gets up to the Faucet I just turned on.

As the water warms up I hear a difference in Tone (Audio Frequency).

I've been wondering what causes that to happen and thought I ask the Folks
here about it.

No!, I'm not going Crazy, I'm already there.

Thanks . ... 73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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Colder is denser, so different vibration transmission from when its hot. At �the end of the day sound is just vibration...

Spec


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06-10-20 12:49 Spectre wrote to Ed Vance about Science Question
Howdy! Spec,

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Colder is denser, so different vibration transmission from when its
hot. At the end of the day sound is just vibration...

I turn the Hot Water faucet on just a little while washing my hands,
and leave it on.
By the time the water get hot I'm done washing the hands.

I hear a High pitch hiss sound when the water is Cold and the sound
gets a lower pitch when the Hot Water from the Water Heater Tank begins
coming out.

It's just been bugging me as to why that happens so I choose to write
my question here.

Thanks for the Reply.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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Hey Ed,

Here's a fun one for you. If a tree fell in the woods and there was no one around, would it still make a noise?

Dejavu

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06-13-20 16:19 dejavu wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Science Question
Howdy! Dejavu,

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Hey Ed,

Here's a fun one for you. If a tree fell in the woods and there was no
one around, would it still make a noise?

Sure it would.

If someone had left a Camera to capture wildlife activity near where the
tree fell, it would be captured on videotape or some kind of memory to be viewed later.

Someone near the woods but far enough not to be able to hear the sound of
the tree falling would see lots of animals scurrying out of the woods.

The critters that were in the vicinity the spot the tree fell, would had
heard the noise made and reacted to the sound made.

No Sir, I'm not a Mister-Know-It-All I just act like one.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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On 13 Jun 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

06-13-20 16:19 dejavu wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Science Question
Howdy! Dejavu,

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Hey Ed,

Here's a fun one for you. If a tree fell in the woods and there was n one around, would it still make a noise?

Sure it would.

If someone had left a Camera to capture wildlife activity near where the tree fell, it would be captured on videotape or some kind of memory to be viewed later.

I didn't ask if wildlife activity would scurry if you left a camera to
capture activity. I asked if a sound would still be made.

By leaving a camera you are changing the outcome explained by the "Double
slit experiment". Which is when things are observed the outcome is changed.

Someone near the woods but far enough not to be able to hear the sound

of EV> the tree falling would see lots of animals scurrying out of the woods.


That's not what I asked. :) I asked if it would make a noise. It's a very
intriguing question because the sounds we hear are nothing more than air and
vibrations that our brain then interprets as a sound, meaning the
air and vibrations felt are converted to electrical stimulations we perceive
as "sound.

The critters that were in the vicinity the spot the tree fell, would had heard the noise made and reacted to the sound made.

No Sir, I'm not a Mister-Know-It-All I just act like one.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .

73

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dejavu wrote to Ed Vance <=-

Here's a fun one for you. If a tree fell in the woods and there was n one around, would it still make a noise?

Sure it would.

If someone had left a Camera to capture wildlife activity near where the tree fell, it would be captured on videotape or some kind of memory to be viewed later.

I didn't ask if wildlife activity would scurry if you left a
camera to
capture activity. I asked if a sound would still be made.

Yes, that is what you asked. Not sure what the camera thing
answer was all about...

<SNIP>

That's not what I asked. :) I asked if it would make a noise.
It's a very intriguing question because the sounds we hear are
nothing more than air and vibrations that our brain then
interprets as a sound, meaning the air and vibrations felt
are converted to electrical stimulations we perceive
as "sound.

It would still make a noise. The vibrations do not have to be
received (by a brain) to exist. The noise happens, whether or not
anything "hears" it.


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That's not what I asked. :) I asked if it would make a noise. It's
a very
intriguing question because the sounds we hear are nothing more than
air and
vibrations that our brain then interprets as a sound, meaning the
air and vibrations felt are converted to electrical stimulations we perceive
as "sound.

If it fell and nothing was nearby to hear it? Not sure. I think that is
not a question which can be answered.

If no one person was around, but the critters were, my guess is they'd hear
it as they would pick up the sound vibrations.




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On 14 Jun 2020, Blue White said the following...

That's not what I asked. :) I asked if it would make a noise. It' a very
intriguing question because the sounds we hear are nothing more than air and
vibrations that our brain then interprets as a sound, meaning the
air and vibrations felt are converted to electrical stimulations we perceive
as "sound.

If it fell and nothing was nearby to hear it? Not sure. I think that is not a question which can be answered.

You get it :) It's an interesting question to ponder.

If no one person was around, but the critters were, my guess is they'd hear it as they would pick up the sound vibrations.

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On 14 Jun 2020, dejavu said the following...

You get it :) It's an interesting question to ponder.

Lisa: If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around, does it make a
sound?
Bart: Absolutely! [makes the sound of a tree falling]
Lisa: But Bart, how can sound exist if there's no one there to hear it.
Bart: Wooooooo...
Lisa: [hands Bart his putter] It is time.

The Simpsons, s2e6: Dead Putting Society

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By leaving a camera you are changing the outcome explained by the "Double slit experiment". Which is when things are observed the
outcome is changed.

Sound is an expression of vibrations. Assuming that the tree "fell", one
would assume that vibrations happened, because otherwise we're talking about the vacuum of space, at which point "fell" makes little sense in the past tense.

Thus, by saying that a "tree fell", you're saying that "vibrations happened" and thus that "noise happened".

Otherwise, do tell me how you can define, "make a noise" that somehow
requires an observer. 'cause it seems highly illogical to me.

Unless, of course, you consider all the air molecules, the ground, all the vegetation, and tree itself as being an "observer", at which point we're back to your "double slit experiment" (which is a bad analogy, because you can
have different experiments that give different results.).

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If it fell and nothing was nearby to hear it? Not sure. I think tha not a question which can be answered.

You get it :) It's an interesting question to ponder.

I think this is one of the faux-deep-thought things that irritate me for unknown reasons.

E.g., "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" (Answer: either the sound I make with one hand, or you've just asked a nonsense question that may as well have been, "What is '4', if '4' equals '5'?), or "Can an omnipotent god
create a rock so big it cannot lift it?" (Answer: Yes, so long as you accept that "all-powerful" includes the ability to make oneself "not all-powerful".
Or no, because adding a limitation to your abilities is not a power.).

They're not deep questions; they're just questions that depend on how you define various words. Once you define those various words, the answer is
there.

With the tree thing, the best you get is, "If something happened, but I can't prove that it did, did it happen?". And the answer is, "Yes, because
otherwise we know nothing more than, "I exist" and "there are thoughts", and we're engaging in mental masturbation with no purpose.

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This is really a schroedinger's cat question... does something cease to be �because you can't see or measure it.

Although you may not be able to categorically state one or the other is �true... there are some reasonable assumptions.. The first is, if something �makes noise when there is something to measure it, surely it would still make �noise if there was nothing to measure it, otherwise the whole question �becomes do the measuring systems create the noise? Is noise the only thing �it makes? That's our only standard we can hear noise... ponder.. enough �now... :)

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I think this is one of the faux-deep-thought things that irritate me for unknown reasons.

Yeah, something that appears to warrant initial consideration but the more �you
look at it the more irritating it gets.

E.g., "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" (Answer: either the sound I make with one hand, or you've just asked a nonsense question
that may as well have been, "What is '4', if '4' equals '5'?),

One of my favourite answers for that one hand clapping question is, "The sound �of one hand clapping IS the sound of one hand clapping". :)

Spec


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Hello Spectre!

** On Monday 15.06.20 - 14:41, Spectre wrote to Adept:

E.g., "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" (Answer: either the
sound I make with one hand, or you've just asked a nonsense question
that may as well have been, "What is '4', if '4' equals '5'?),

One of my favourite answers for that one hand clapping question is,
"The sound of one hand clapping IS the sound of one hand clapping". :)

Not bad.

But the answer could also be "..is the sound of two people high-fiving".

I've always thought that the sound of people snapping their fingers as a replacement for traditional clapping was pretty cool.





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Yeah, something that appears to warrant initial consideration but the
more you look at it the more irritating it gets.

This might be a, "someone on the internet is wrong!" issue, though. Though that's probably true of most anything I debate.

One of my favourite answers for that one hand clapping question is, "The sound of one hand clapping IS the sound of one hand clapping". :)

Hah! I like that. It's a nice faux-profound answer.

A nice, circular, A==A argument. :)

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Ogg wrote to Spectre <=-

I've always thought that the sound of people snapping their fingers as
a replacement for traditional clapping was pretty cool.

Back in my Livejournal days, there was a guy named Gordonzola who was
a cheesemaker. He journalled about a cheese convention where they
spent the first part of the session going over behavioral norms.
Clapping was considered confrontational and might provide an
emotional trigger to some. snapping fingers had some connotation that
someone objected to in the most passive means possible. "Twinkling"
(holding your hand up while wiggling your index and middle finger
silently) was considered acceptable to show approval in a
non-judgemental manner.

I wish I'd saved his posts - they were golden.



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Hello poindexter!

** On Tuesday 16.06.20 - 08:33, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

Ogg wrote to Spectre <=-

I've always thought that the sound of people snapping their fingers as
a replacement for traditional clapping was pretty cool.

Back in my Livejournal days, there was a guy named Gordonzola who was
a cheesemaker. He journalled about a cheese convention where they
spent the first part of the session going over behavioral norms.
Clapping was considered confrontational and might provide an
emotional trigger to some. snapping fingers had some connotation that
someone objected to in the most passive means possible. "Twinkling"
(holding your hand up while wiggling your index and middle finger
silently) was considered acceptable to show approval in a
non-judgemental manner.

Some people try to rewrite history or rewrite the manners.

I never heard that snapping fingers is a negative. It just sounds so cool when a bunch of people do it en masse.

NEVER heard of anything like the latter, but it reminds me of something
you would do at an auction to get attention for placing a bid.

I wish I'd saved his posts - they were golden.

Maybe such a thing can be found with google. But I'll let someone else
that! LOL


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Hello dejavu!

** On Saturday 13.06.20 - 16:19, dejavu wrote to Ed Vance:

Here's a fun one for you. If a tree fell in the woods and there was no one around, would it still make a noise?

Here's another answer, in the form of song.

It's an oldie, but I just rediscovered it on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/63BnoVNVwCuQraDEKGH8EQ


I never saw the original video:

https://youtu.be/ErS9HCh8GfE


This should put the question to rest! LOL


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