On 06-02-20 12:27, apam wrote to Ogg <=-

I don't really understand.. why would you be discouraged for posting general chat in a general area? People have chatted about all sorts in here over time, the weather, tv shows, gardening all of that - it got derailed a bit with politics, but there is no reason we couldn't chat about other such things.

Yeah, I've ralked about my sports in here - as in doing, not watching, as you know. :)

I guess we are all technically minded people, hey we all run FTN
software, and most a BBS.. but we do other things too. I like reading about other things, I am sure many others do too.

Yeah, I like the variety of topics that come up. :) Being an odd mix of tech nerd/geek and jock helps, as well as interest in other general and social topics. :)


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On 06-02-20 00:26, The Godfather wrote to apam <=-

Ok all.. I literally asked if anyone was interested in Lawn Care. How

Well, here, I don't bother with planting lawn. The grasses that tend to grow do the job and they come back after every summer, when they tend to die off. Our summers tend to be hot and dru, and the grass tends to die off for a few months between December and April.

If we were to plant lawn, it would need constant watering in summer.

I have done work in gardening, though not lawns.


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On 06-02-20 14:46, apam wrote to The Godfather <=-

Ok all.. I literally asked if anyone was interested in Lawn Care.

You did.

How did it turn into a debate about the validity of a good network?

I'm not sure.

My message wasn't meant as an attack on anyone. I was just suggesting
that if people feel like ogg does - that the general area is
unwelcoming of non technical discussions - then perhaps we need to do something to change that perception.

Teah, good question.


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Well, here, I don't bother with planting lawn. The grasses that tend to grow do the job and they come back after every summer, when they tend to die off. Our summers tend to be hot and dru, and the grass tends to die off for a few months between December and April.

I'm sure you told me once prior, but where do you live? And how long and hot are your summers?

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On 06-02-20 22:14, The Godfather wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I'm sure you told me once prior, but where do you live? And how long
and hot are your summers?

I'm about 150km NW of Melbourne, Australia. Although the average January maximum is only a little above 30C, weeks at a time > 35x are not that uncommon. The summer climate is very different to Melbourne - much hotter and drier.


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I'm about 150km NW of Melbourne, Australia. Although the average January maximum is only a little above 30C, weeks at a time > 35x are not that uncommon. The summer climate is very different to Melbourne - much
hotter and drier.

That is a difficult enviroment for grass to enjoy without water for sure. We tend to reach averages like that late July through August .. I'm still
suprised how humid it is here in Indiana, compared to the dry heat I'm used
to out west in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc... 85 degrees with a high dew
point is unbearable. That is when we usually see grass go dormant. I do
have an irrigtaion system however my wife usually starts bickering by the
time the water bill shows up in July from June.

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You must live near the midwest? I'd love to learn how to grow
trees from seed. My dad does it with sand in a tuperware
container. He collects them inf all and is ready to harden and
plant in spring. I have a large redbud, tulip poplar, sycamore,
two sugar maples, and two different types of willows in my yard. I
did buy 6 baby starts of Quaking Apsen that I'm growing behind mhy
storage shed, just to have piece of Colorado within my lawn.
They're about 7ft tall now. I'd like to salt and pepper two to
three more red buds into the mix. I don't have a lot pine trees as
my back yards only 1/3 of an acre, and the one we did have took up
a good 15% of the lawn. But I'd love some color and privacy during

winter.

I am just south of the midwest. :) Kentucky. I found information
about the trees in question on the internet. Some of what I tried
worked and some did not. It really all depends on what kind of trees
and what kind of seeds. From what I see in my own yard, maples and
redbuds apparently are as easy to grow as weeds! Meanwhile, some other
tree seeds depend on being eaten, partially digested, and passed (to
weaken the outer covering) before they can germinate. So with those you
have to either soak them in boiling water and/or scar the covering first
(like with a nail file) before you can get them to do anything.

I have never tried to grow a redbud on purpose, mainly because I did not
have to. It seems the easiest way to get one going is to have one
nearby. Squirrels, chipmunks, and birds may also play roles but, like I
said, they seem to come up like weeds in this area. I have not
researched them enough to determine if they have male and female only
trees (i.e. only some produce seeds), so that could also make a
difference if they do.

I have been hoping that the black locust will take off and bloom a
lot... they smell so good in the Spring. It is still a young tree but
last year it did bloom a little. This year a couple of late
frost/freezes got it... the leaves are coming back out OK but I don't
expect any blooms this year.

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I am just south of the midwest. :) Kentucky. I found information
about the trees in question on the internet. Some of what I tried
worked and some did not. It really all depends on what kind of trees
and what kind of seeds. From what I see in my own yard, maples and redbuds apparently are as easy to grow as weeds! Meanwhile, some other tree seeds depend on being eaten, partially digested, and passed (to weaken the outer covering) before they can germinate. So with those you have to either soak them in boiling water and/or scar the covering first (like with a nail file) before you can get them to do anything.

We're pretty close then with us in the Indianapolis Area. I've been to Lexington and Gatlinburg a few times. My father-in-law lives in Boonville, near Santa Claus Indiana. So we are down near Kentucky often -- beautiful
but hot country! Unfortunatly, despite how many redbud seed pods that drop, either my lawn mower or Lawn Pride kills off any starts. I'll have to try to plant a few stratetically in a flower bed I want one and see how it goes. Hopefully it's not too slow of a grower, however their wood is very strong
and hard, so it might be a slow grower. My Aspen Trees I bought online grow about 3ft per year, this should finally get them above my storage shed, and hopefully next year I won't have to see my neighbor mowing his lawn without a shirt on once every two days ...

I have been hoping that the black locust will take off and bloom a
lot... they smell so good in the Spring. It is still a young tree but last year it did bloom a little. This year a couple of late
frost/freezes got it... the leaves are coming back out OK but I don't expect any blooms this year.

I planted 5 Viburnum Mariesiis two years ago, this year they started to bloom and have a slight vanilla extract smell to them. Really nice combo in spring to also having lilacs in the yard. Love the fragrance of both shrubs. I've tried to work around a lot locust trees, the thorns can be dangerous to do so lol! They are pretty though. There is a thornless Honey Locust I want for
my lawn as well, there are a lot of them all around our children museums and their leaves are so unique. In central indiana I'm not sure I've ever seen a black locust bloom, but maybe its like the Tulip Poplar, where they just
don't stand out as much when they do. Looks a rather large bloom though, so maybe it's just our climate(?)

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On Sun 31-May-2020 4:24p, Blue White@21:4/134.0 said to The Godfather:

There is a smaller-than-fido network called ILink that has a home and garden echo that could probably use some users. That network may be another good example of what Avon is trying to avoid... a few active echos and a lot that are not. They offer FTN and QWK links.

I'd be interested in ILink JUST for the gardening echo if it were busy. :-)

Mick

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I have never tried to grow a redbud on purpose, mainly because I did not have to. It seems the easiest way to get one going is to have one
nearby. Squirrels, chipmunks, and birds may also play roles but, like I said, they seem to come up like weeds in this area. I have not
researched them enough to determine if they have male and female only trees (i.e. only some produce seeds), so that could also make a
difference if they do.

Tends to be 3 groups of pollinators, self pollinating, cross pollinating - �requiring two trees even though they both produce male/female flowers. And �single sex trees, not sure what you have over there, but we have he-oak and �she-oak's. They tend to in the wild grow in clusters, usually a court of �girls grow around a male.

If they come up like weeds anywhere, I'd be inclined to think they're self �pollinators....aside from the style of seed they produce, they can spread �quite rapidly.

Spec �

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On 06-03-20 08:25, The Godfather wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I'm about 150km NW of Melbourne, Australia. Although the average January maximum is only a little above 30C, weeks at a time > 35x are not that uncommon. The summer climate is very different to Melbourne - much
hotter and drier.

That is a difficult enviroment for grass to enjoy without water for
sure. We tend to reach averages like that late July through August ..

Yeah, can go weeks without rain in summer, then a storm will come along and dump that whole month's worth. :)

I'm still suprised how humid it is here in Indiana, compared to the dry heat I'm used to out west in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc... 85 degrees with a high dew point is unbearable. That is when we usually see grass
go dormant. I do have an irrigtaion system however my wife usually
starts bickering by the time the water bill shows up in July from June.

Summer humidity routinely goes below 10% here. :)


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Mickey wrote to Blue White <=-

There is a smaller-than-fido network called ILink that has a home and garden echo that could probably use some users. That network may be another good example of what Avon is trying to avoid... a few active echos and a lot that are not. They offer FTN and QWK links.

I'd be interested in ILink JUST for the gardening echo if it were busy. :-)

I guess if we could get more of us over there in it, it could be busy. :)


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If they come up like weeds anywhere, I'd be inclined to think they're
self �pollinators....aside from the style of seed they produce, they
can spread �quite rapidly.

You got me curious so I looked it up. Redbud trees are self-pollinators.
Black Locusts are "self-fertile" but require bees or hummingbirds to
pollinate. They can also reproduce asexually via root suckers.

Honey Locust have both male and female trees, with both containing flowers
of their own sex (M or F) plus bisexual flowers. "Male flowers are not required for pod formation, but are required for full seed development."
They are pollunated by insects. They are apparently not as likely to
reproduce asexually as the black locust. Thornless varieties, or some of
them anyway, are sterile.

Both types of locust are considered "permaculture plants." My black locust
is actually a year or two younger than the honey locust but it has flowered
at least once. I have not yet noticed the honey locust flowering. It had
a run-in with a deer in its youth so its development has not been ideal.

I am not sure if Oaks in North America are self-pollinators or if they
require two trees to pollinate.

Probably more than you wanted to know, LOL!



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The Godfather wrote to Blue White <=-

We're pretty close then with us in the Indianapolis Area. I've been to Lexington and Gatlinburg a few times. My father-in-law lives in Boonville, near Santa Claus Indiana. So we are down near Kentucky
often -- beautiful but hot country!

Yes, it is definately hot... too hot for my liking really.

Unfortunatly, despite how many

redbud seed pods that drop, either my lawn mower or Lawn Pride kills
off any starts. I'll have to try to plant a few stratetically in a
flower bed I want one and see how it goes. Hopefully it's not too slow
of a grower, however their wood is very strong and hard, so it might be
a slow grower. My Aspen Trees I bought online grow about 3ft per year, this should finally get them above my storage shed, and hopefully next year I won't have to see my neighbor mowing his lawn without a shirt on once every two days ...

Well, they are not too slow to start, but I am not sure they get high
really fast. Like maybe they grow so far and then start to slow some.
Mine are not growing 3ft/year for sure. :) I used to have a neighbor who would go out every couple of days and buzz cut his lawn. I never figured
out why he did that... maybe he was bored.

I planted 5 Viburnum Mariesiis two years ago, this year they started to bloom and have a slight vanilla extract smell to them. Really nice
combo in spring to also having lilacs in the yard. Love the fragrance
of both shrubs. I've tried to work around a lot locust trees, the
thorns can be dangerous to do so lol! They are pretty though. There
is a thornless Honey Locust I want for my lawn as well, there are a lot
of them all around our children museums and their leaves are so unique.
In central indiana I'm not sure I've ever seen a black locust bloom,
but maybe its like the Tulip Poplar, where they just don't stand out as much when they do. Looks a rather large bloom though, so maybe it's
just our climate(?)

Well, grew both of my locusts from seed. The honey locust I obtained the
seed from appeared to me to be thornless but the offspring certainly is not! You do have to be careful around them but I have not had too many issues.
The ones I have don't have the huge thorns that one could use for log cabin nails. The black locust blooms grow in clusters, sort of like grapes but
of white flowers instead of fruit. Some years, like this one, I did not
notice them much locally. Other years, you cannot hardly miss them.

They are considered envasive in some areas, but I believe they are native
to Kentucky and Indiana.

Some variations have purple flowers instead of white.


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Yeah, can go weeks without rain in summer, then a storm will come along and dump that whole month's worth. :)

I love when it rains like that. In the midwest, we can get those type of trains a couple times per week during the may/june season. This years been mild other then a couple of severe storms we had with rain and tornado's in early May. I always looked forward to rain -- it was a day off to catch up
on sleep, and the only days my phone was silent.

Summer humidity routinely goes below 10% here. :)

Thats the kind of heat I prefer. The dew point here is relatively high, and often makes the temperatures feel hotter then they really are. Very muggy at times. I'm not a fan of the humidity. Although, plants tend to do really well out here. That I do like.

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There is a smaller-than-fido network called ILink that has a home and garden echo that could probably use some users. That network may be another good example of what Avon is trying to avoid... a few active and a lot that are not. They offer FTN and QWK links.

I'd be interested in ILink JUST for the gardening echo if it were bus :-)

I guess if we could get more of us over there in it, it could be busy.
:)

I haven't seen ILink, what BBS can I view the echos on? Fido has one also,
but posting to it has had sparked any converstion to this date. I'm curious
if anyone is subscribed to it. I have a local echo on my BBS I'm writing drafts for that cover turf care, starting with application timing of
fertilizer and herbicides pre/post .. the online tools to assist in
predicting best timing to apply .. lawn mowing and maintenance of equipment
.. weeds (causes and solutions) .. lawn bugs an disease identification and solutions .. timing of applications... and irrigation/watering techniques.
I've found that most home owners do it totally wrong, at the wrong time, and even if they hired myself or another company, often times called too late to solve most problems that arise later. So maybe I'll post a few to the Fido,
or if I can find the ILink network, echo's .... most of what I've written would have been more valid in late winter thru early spring, but will serve
as good reference for anyone intersted, or who grow frustrated with their lawns.

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I am not sure if Oaks in North America are self-pollinators or if they require two trees to pollinate.

I have a singular Pin Oak in my yard that has zero problem leaving volunteers within my flower surrounding flower beds, on some years, and not others. It also produdes Acorns on some but not other years. I know more about the maintenance of trees then learning them from a growing prospective. Enjoying the conversation as I have a couple of trees I'd like to start from seed and grow myself. I have a need for 2-3 more trees along my fence line prior to
not seeing any houses within my back yard. I wonder what causes the random on/off again years of Acorns and seed pods on the oak I have ...

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Well, they are not too slow to start, but I am not sure they get high really fast. Like maybe they grow so far and then start to slow some. Mine are not growing 3ft/year for sure. :) I used to have a neighbor
who would go out every couple of days and buzz cut his lawn. I never figured out why he did that... maybe he was bored.

BW,

Poplar trees have a relatively short life in comparison to other species .. like the Pear Trees, they grow so fast, the wood tends to be weak and break during storms. Poplars are also more disease prone. My dad had a specific cultivar I can't recall which at the moment, he had purchased 10 of, to
createa wind and privacy block on one side of his home. Him, my brother,
and I have since cut each of them down .. it was a bummer to watch. They reached 40 feet in 5-8 years. The Aspen is a poplar, however they do spread
by root, and as a result by the time one dies, another has taken it' space. They do OK in any climate and soil conditions, however the leaves tend to be most beautiful in colder climates come fall. I don't know if the Tulip Polar is the same way from a life/strength prospective; they are native to Indiana, so and one frequently recommended by arborists. Guess I'll find out as I
have one breaching 10ft in size now; on year 3. The redbud volunteers I do get tend to shoot up overnight, like mulberry voluneteers .. however to your point really slow down once they reach about 3ft ..

As for your neighbor .. maybe I'm him lol! I plant willow shrubs anywhere
the ground is too wet for most shrubs or trees. They are easy to maintain
with hand pruners or I guess you could use a power hedger .. but they are invasive if not maintained. They don't seem to lose steam with heat .. I
sware my Halo Willw srhubs grow 6" a week. I like to keep them shaped, otherwise they start growing through the fence pickets. And if I really let them go, they reach bout 8ft in size, which then requires me to get out the pole hedger which I hate using. I also have a Cork Screw Willow, beautiful tree, but it can get top heavy when young (mines 4 years old and already 20-30ft in size).... I'm constantly having to prune it to balance it's
weight, to keep the trunk plum/level.

I tend to prefer shrubs I can maintain with a hand pruner, gives me an excuse to take a break from work for a few, walk my yard, and enjoy the fruits of my labor. It's much easier to prune a single stem growing taller than the test, then to shape yews, boxwoods, and certain cultivars of hollys.

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Hello The!

** On Friday 05.06.20 - 08:25, The Godfather wrote to Blue White:

I haven't seen ILink, what BBS can I view the echos on? Fido has one also, but posting to it has had sparked any converstion to this date.
I'm curious if anyone is subscribed to it.

Re Fido, if you mean HOME-N-GRDN, they are not reaching my boss node in
Z2, 2:221/1 (The echo is there, but it's empty)

Nor are they reaching my other outreach at End Of The Line BBS, 1:124/5106

Maybe some people involved in the distribution need a nudge.

Marc Lewis of SouthEast Star, 1:387/0, has it but the last known post is
in Feb 2019.


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All this talk o' trees has me thinking about

The giant redwood,
THe plucky little aspen,
The limping roo tree of nigeria
The creeping rune tree of I forget now....

Anyone sorted this one out yet?

Lumberjack Spec


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I'm sure you told me once prior, but where do you live? And how long and hot are your summers?

I'm about 150km NW of Melbourne, Australia. Although the average January maximum is only a little above 30C, weeks at a time > 35x are not that uncommon. The summer climate is very different to Melbourne - much
hotter and drier.

I've heard quite a bit about your summers. I have a brother and sister
in Kerang and they head to Bendigo for any "big town" needs, or to get the train to Melbourne. The summers in Kerang sound a lot like the climate here just west of Phoenix.

My 2c :-)

-Jikey.

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On 06 Jun 2020, Spectre said the following...

All this talk o' trees has me thinking about

The giant redwood,
THe plucky little aspen,
The limping roo tree of nigeria
The creeping rune tree of I forget now....

The giant redwood
The larch
The fir
The mighty Scots pine
The lofty flowing cherry
The plucky little aspen
The limping Roo tree of Nigeria
The towering Wattle of Aldershot
The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant
The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak
The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip
The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni
The Epigillus
The Barter Hughius Greenus
With my best buddy by my side
We'd sing, sing, sing

Anyone sorted this one out yet?

Nope, can't figure it out. ;)


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The giant redwood,
THe plucky little aspen,
The limping roo tree of nigeria
The creeping rune tree of I forget now....

The giant redwood
The larch
The fir
The mighty Scots pine
The lofty flowing cherry
The plucky little aspen
The limping Roo tree of Nigeria
The towering Wattle of Aldershot
The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant
The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak
The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip
The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni
The Epigillus
The Barter Hughius Greenus
With my best buddy by my side
We'd sing, sing, sing

No clue what you guys are talking about.

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I haven't seen ILink, what BBS can I view the echos on? Fido has
one also, but posting to it has had sparked any converstion to this
date. I'm curious if anyone is subscribed to it. I have a local
echo on my BBS I'm writing drafts for that cover turf care,
starting with application timing of fertilizer and herbicides
pre/post .. the online tools to assist in predicting best timing to
apply .. lawn mowing and maintenance of equipment .. weeds (causes
and solutions) .. lawn bugs an disease identification and solutions
.. timing of applications... and irrigation/watering techniques.
I've found that most home owners do it totally wrong, at the wrong
time, and even if they hired myself or another company, often times
called too late to solve most problems that arise later. So maybe
I'll post a few to the Fido, or if I can find the ILink network,
echo's .... most of what I've written would have been more valid
in late winter thru early spring, but will serve as good reference
for anyone intersted, or who grow frustrated with their lawns.

I carry ILink on capitolcityonline.net . Like I mentioned to another participant (or maybe you!), it is not currently active but a post or
two might be more likely to spark conversation than in FIDO. FYI, if I
can ever get the ELIST bot to respond to me, I will actually be the new moderator of the FIDO echo.

Might be good to save some of those posts for your local bbs... it would
be something different that other BBSes would not have.

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I have a singular Pin Oak in my yard that has zero problem leaving volunteers within my flower surrounding flower beds, on some years,
and not others. It also produdes Acorns on some but not other
years. I know more about the maintenance of trees then learning
them from a growing prospective. Enjoying the conversation as I
have a couple of trees I'd like to start from seed and grow myself.
I have a need for 2-3 more trees along my fence line prior to not
seeing any houses within my back yard. I wonder what causes the
random on/off again years of Acorns and seed pods on the oak I have ...

Reading this got me curious. A few years ago, a friend of mine and I
used to go walking. She would find oak seedlings in the beds around our workplace, and would pull them up. I am pretty sure that some would
still have an acorn amongst the young roots. So I looked it up. They
can grow from acorns, and many of the oaks only bear large quantities of
acorns every 2 or 3 years. Others apparently do every year.

#

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Poplar trees have a relatively short life in comparison to other
species .. like the Pear Trees, they grow so fast, the wood tends
to be weak and break during storms. Poplars are also more disease
prone. My dad had a specific cultivar I can't recall which at the
moment, he had purchased 10 of, to createa wind and privacy block
on one side of his home. Him, my brother, and I have since cut
each of them down .. it was a bummer to watch. They reached 40
feet in 5-8 years.

Tulip "Poplars" are not true poplars. Early settlers to the area named
them poplars because the leaves quake like the other poplars do in a
wind. "It is fast-growing, without the common problems of weak wood
strength and short lifespan often seen in fast-growing species." They
are actually more closely related to magnolias, their wood was used to
make dugout canoes by the natives, and the oldest known living thing in
the NYC metro is a tree that is believed to be 350-450 years old.

They do drop their lower limbs as they get older, so it is a good idea
to keep the lower limbs trimmed.

The Aspen is a poplar, however they do spread

by root, and as a result by the time one dies, another has taken
it' space. They do OK in any climate and soil conditions, however
the leaves tend to be most beautiful in colder climates come fall.
I don't know if the Tulip Polar is the same way from a
life/strength prospective; they are native to Indiana, so and one frequently recommended by arborists. Guess I'll find out as I have
one breaching 10ft in size now; on year 3. The redbud volunteers
I do get tend to shoot up overnight, like mulberry voluneteers .. however

>to your point really slow down once they reach about 3ft ..

Aspens are beautiful. My redbuds also slowed somewhere between 3 and 6
feet. They tend to start to grow thicker about that same time. I would
say my < 10 year old transplant is ~ 10-12 ft tall, but has grow pretty
thick. The limbs do not reach out too far from the trunk, like some
other trees do.

I tend to prefer shrubs I can maintain with a hand pruner, gives me
an excuse to take a break from work for a few, walk my yard, and
enjoy the fruits of my labor. It's much easier to prune a single
stem growing taller than the test, then to shape yews, boxwoods,
and certain cultivars of hollys.

I have several boxwoods. You can start out thinking a quick trim won't
take long, but it always will :)

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On 05 Jun 2020, The Godfather said the following...

The giant redwood
The larch
The fir
The mighty Scots pine

No clue what you guys are talking about.

Monty Python's Flying Circus - Lumberjack song ;)

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On 06-05-20 08:08, The Godfather wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, can go weeks without rain in summer, then a storm will come along and dump that whole month's worth. :)

I love when it rains like that. In the midwest, we can get those type
of trains a couple times per week during the may/june season. This
years been mild other then a couple of severe storms we had with rain
and tornado's in early May. I always looked forward to rain -- it was
a day off to catch up on sleep, and the only days my phone was silent.

I like those days when it rains steadily all day long. Don't often get them here, but they are nice when they happen. :)

Summer humidity routinely goes below 10% here. :)

Thats the kind of heat I prefer. The dew point here is relatively
high, and often makes the temperatures feel hotter then they really
are. Very muggy at times. I'm not a fan of the humidity. Although, plants tend to do really well out here. That I do like.

Yeah, I'm a dry heat person too. :)


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On 06-05-20 16:52, Jikey wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I've heard quite a bit about your summers. I have a brother and sister
in Kerang and they head to Bendigo for any "big town" needs, or to get
the train to Melbourne. The summers in Kerang sound a lot like the climate here just west of Phoenix.

Yeah, Kerang is more like here, though a bit hotter and drier again, on average. Kerang is a bit over an hour from here. :)


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Yeah, can go weeks without rain in summer, then a storm will come alo and dump that whole month's worth. :)

I love when it rains like that. In the midwest, we can get those typ of trains a couple times per week during the may/june season. This years been mild other then a couple of severe storms we had with rain and tornado's in early May. I always looked forward to rain -- it wa a day off to catch up on sleep, and the only days my phone was silent

Used to live in Arizona on the Colorado River in the Lake Havasu area for several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass (or any type
of grass) & such when it's not native to the area. Out there...many lawns are gravel/desert-type vegetation to save all the water we can. I remember moving to Idaho in 2009 & seeing everything green...tulips & such...rather than
cactus blooming in March & back to being bare by April.

Summer humidity routinely goes below 10% here. :)

Thats the kind of heat I prefer. The dew point here is relatively high, and often makes the temperatures feel hotter then they really are. Very muggy at times. I'm not a fan of the humidity. Although, plants tend to do really well out here. That I do like.

Yeah, I'm a dry heat person too. :)

Out there in Arizona...they have Monsoon season from June to September. It's during this time you see all the cars driving into gully's & people needing
to be rescued for being stupid. Finally...they put into state law that you do this...you will pay for your rescue...after decades of making the state pay
for it.

Living here in Oregon...we get rain much of the year. Riding a 50 cc scooter...am used to it. It's nice seeing dry...like in Arizona...but at
least here...I can stay cool with a couple of fans going.

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several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass (or any type of grass) & such when it's not native to the area. Out there...many

My eyes have slowly been trained to view nice-looking lawns as waste, and agricultural fields as single-specie ecological deserts.

That said, it's significantly more fun to run around on a grassy area than an area that has ever had cactuses.

Regardless, if I could ever manage to stay in the same place, having fruit trees/bushes/etc. of whatever variety grows well locally would be the best. Something I only have to think about every two years the next best.

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** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 21:45, Adept wrote to Phoobar:

several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass (or any
type of grass) & such when it's not native to the area. Out there...many

My eyes have slowly been trained to view nice-looking lawns as waste, and agricultural fields as single-specie ecological deserts.

But a freshly maintained (thick) lawn is comfy cozy in bare feet. :)

Makes sense for a back yard, but front lawns which are primarily cosmetic
for beauty may just as well be some kind of artificial turf that still
allows water to drain through it.


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several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass (or a

My eyes have slowly been trained to view nice-looking lawns as waste, and agricultural fields as single-specie ecological deserts.

Never looked at it like this...but you are right. In terms of lawns...many times I used to hear (when I helped out running the lawn care business in
Twin Falls) that the ones who wanted to keep their lawns not looking like abandoned fields were a lot different than those "keeping up with the
Jones'". As I saw at my job...too little brains & way too much money.

That said, it's significantly more fun to run around on a grassy area
than an area that has ever had cactuses.

Having lived in the area of the Joshua Tree National Park...any time I see these lillies and other desert plants...reminds me of "home". Been thinking about getting one of those small cacti...replanting it in a giant pail &
having 1 small part of my former home here with me. I know...sentimental & won't replace the cat which will be gone 5 years Jan 9th...but both of them would be from the same area.

Regardless, if I could ever manage to stay in the same place, having
fruit trees/bushes/etc. of whatever variety grows well locally would be the best. Something I only have to think about every two years the next

You've made me drool to have fruit trees/bushes...especially when I see them
at work already in the pot...but nowhere to plant/keep them.

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You've made me drool to have fruit trees/bushes...especially when I see them at work already in the pot...but nowhere to plant/keep them.

I used to have an entire indoor garden of tropical plants in Wisconsin, and
it was a pretty neat experience to walk into my apartment.

Mind you, I got a handful of exotic fruits from the entire time I grew things (and one of which was Noni, which while exotic (and pretty) is ... unpleasant.), but it was still neat experiencing fruits that are difficult to impossible to come by without travelling to exotic locales at the right time
of year.

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Makes sense for a back yard, but front lawns which are primarily
cosmetic for beauty may just as well be some kind of artificial turf
that still allows water to drain through it.

Whats the fun in that? I love to mow professional baseball stripes on my riding Zero Turn mower.

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several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass

My eyes have slowly been trained to view nice-looking lawns as waste, agricultural fields as single-specie ecological deserts.

Never looked at it like this...but you are right. In terms of
lawns...many times I used to hear (when I helped out running the lawn
care business in Twin Falls) that the ones who wanted to keep their
lawns not looking like abandoned fields were a lot different than those "keeping up with the Jones'". As I saw at my job...too little brains &
way too much money.

Thats why I prefer small front lawns and large back lawns ... rarely do I
hang out in front of my house unless the kids are riding their bikes. Otherwise, I prefer the tranquil privacy of my back yard. Too many homes in our area are not only large front lawns, but usesless slopes steep enough for sledding during winter (I suppose their only value...) They were a pain to mow, and Home Owner Associations are very strict within my surrounding neighborhoods regarding proper maintenance. One high end neighborhood
requires fresh mulch in the front lawn EVERY year, on top of their $3000
annual HOA Fees. These homes average 5 yards of mulch, at a market average
of $120 per yard installed by a professional (which all of the "jones" use).

Kept me in business and making great money during the spring season, prior to selling my company.

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I used to have an entire indoor garden of tropical plants in Wisconsin, and it was a pretty neat experience to walk into my apartment.

My apartment in only around 850 sq ft for 2 bedrooms...which is pretty
specious for around here. Not much room right now...but it would be nice to have something growing.

Mind you, I got a handful of exotic fruits from the entire time I grew things (and one of which was Noni, which while exotic (and pretty) is ... unpleasant.), but it was still neat experiencing fruits that are
difficult to impossible to come by without travelling to exotic locales
at the right time of year.

Very true. Add to that I wouldn't want to come back here. ;)

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Thats why I prefer small front lawns and large back lawns ... rarely do I hang out in front of my house unless the kids are riding their bikes. Otherwise, I prefer the tranquil privacy of my back yard. Too many

That's why I love fences around back yards.

homes in our area are not only large front lawns, but usesless slopes steep enough for sledding during winter (I suppose their only value...) They were a pain to mow, and Home Owner Associations are very strict within my surrounding neighborhoods regarding proper maintenance. One

In Twin Falls...many of the yards we handled ourselves & for Wells Fargo
would be slopes in both. At least the HOA's got us some money by others being too lazy to mow their yards...with the cities pressing WF to keep the yards looking decently taken care of.

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That's why I love fences around back yards.

Totally agree. Out of the 3 homes we've owned over the last 15 years, we
have only found 1 that doesn't back up to a neighbor, and it was our first
home purchase. The fence helps, but I've had to plant quite a few privacy trees so our nosey neighbors will quit looking into our back yard. They're nice people, but are constantly wanting to know what we're up to, and or if
out kids want to play with theirs. They second they see us outside, we're being texted. Sometimes it's nice to have a place to be left alone and
relax. So I'm patientl waiting for the trees to block all of their windows :)

In Twin Falls...many of the yards we handled ourselves & for Wells Fargo would be slopes in both. At least the HOA's got us some money by others being too lazy to mow their yards...with the cities pressing WF to keep the yards looking decently taken care of.

I had quite a few HOA's where my teams mowed the common areas, and maintained the landscaping (mulch, weeds, trimming, and planting annual flowers .. sometimes Christmas Lights, irrigation, and tree maintenance). However the home owners in most neighborhoods are responsible for their own lawns. A lot of bi-laws within HOA guidelines can't be changed unless 2/3 of the
homeowners show up and or proxy vote. So .. unless the HOA have fines, up to tax leins on a home .. the HOA's can send letters until their blue in the
face, but there's nothing stopping the home owner from stopping them. Most
of the neighborhoods around us have strict bilaws with serious "teeth." WE
had two HOA's where if a home owner didn't mow their lawn, the HOA had our
team do it, and we paid us, and billed them as a "fine." These were more profitable then residential lawn mowing as the HOA's only wanted the front lawns mowed, for the price an entire lawn would have been mowed by a residential company. It was normally rental properties, however occasionally the home owner, who neglected the homes we frequently were deployed to care for.

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Hello Phoobar!

** On Sunday 07.06.20 - 06:29, Phoobar wrote to The Godfather:

homes in our area are not only large front lawns, but usesless
slopes steep enough for sledding during winter (I suppose their only
value...) They were a pain to mow, and Home Owner Associations are
very strict within my surrounding neighborhoods regarding proper
maintenance.

In Twin Falls...many of the yards we handled ourselves & for Wells
Fargo would be slopes in both. At least the HOA's got us some money by others being too lazy to mow their yards...with the cities pressing WF
to keep the yards looking decently taken care of.

Is it just the "looking decently" that matters? Is there anything that precludes anyone to pave the area, or lay artificial turf?


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Hello The!

** On Sunday 07.06.20 - 02:06, The Godfather wrote to Phoobar:

..Home Owner Associations are very strict within my surrounding neighborhoods regarding proper maintenance. One high end
neighborhood requires fresh mulch in the front lawn EVERY year, on
top of their $3000 annual HOA Fees. These homes average 5 yards of
mulch, at a market average of $120 per yard installed by a
professional (which all of the "jones" use).

Was there anything in the by-laws that would prelude a homeowner to have a maintenance-free area in place of the "assumed" lawn?

Interepret "maintenance-free" any way you like: pavement, cobblestone, artificial turf, etc..

Kept me in business and making great money during the spring season,
prior to selling my company.

Sweet.


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Hello The!

** On Sunday 07.06.20 - 10:11, The Godfather wrote to Phoobar:

...Out of the 3 homes we've owned over the last 15 years, we
have only found 1 that doesn't back up to a neighbor, and it was our
first home purchase. The fence helps, but I've had to plant quite a few privacy trees so our nosey neighbors will quit looking into our back
yard. They're nice people, but are constantly wanting to know what we're up to, and or if out kids want to play with theirs. They second they see us outside, we're being texted.

Ahhhh. :( They are just yearning for company. They really really like
you too. LOL

Sometimes it's nice to have a place to be left alone and relax. So
I'm patientl waiting for the trees to block all of their windows :)

No problem here. Nearest "backyard" neighor facing my house is over 150m away across the lake. However, they *have* admitted to using a telescope
to look around on my side primarily to get a closer look at the wildlife wandering around. They have also commented on my late night activity
based on how long I sometimes keep the lights on. They worry about me. LOL

bilaws with serious "teeth." WE had two HOA's where if a home owner
didn't mow their lawn, the HOA had our team do it, and we paid us,
and billed them as a "fine." These were more profitable then
residential lawn mowing as the HOA's only wanted the front lawns
mowed, for the price an entire lawn would have been mowed by a
residential company. It was normally rental properties, however occasionally the home owner, who neglected the homes we frequently
were deployed to care for.

Kind of like my situation with the laneway I described in a message in coffee_klatsch echo. But the "owner" doesn't care because they don't use
it. I'm the only one who needs to reach the back side-door at the end of
the lane occassionally. But if the grass/weeds aren't cut back, it just scrapes along the sides and undercarriage of my vehicle. On wet days, or
dew laden mornings, the tall grass is a nuiscance against dress shoes and regular slacks.


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Was there anything in the by-laws that would prelude a homeowner to have
a maintenance-free area in place of the "assumed" lawn?

No, not in Hamilton County Indiana .. higher end homes, all require a consistent look and feel. Most By-Laws require permission to plant a tree,
and disallow "maintenance-free lawns" such as turf, rock, all native plants
and boulders, etc... However, with a well designed landscape, approved by
the HOA, turf areas to maintain can be designed to be much more small, and easier to care for.

Kept me in business and making great money during the spring season, prior to selling my company.

Sweet.

It was nice, however maybe only 8 deployements per year.

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Ahhhh. :( They are just yearning for company. They really really like you too. LOL

It's the husband .. he's constantly nosey about what we're doing, trying to avoid parenting by sending his kids over when the wife is gone, and often
times doing bizarre things in his back yard such as shooting arrows, bb-guns, etc .. I finally had to have a talk with him as for a while, I kept finding arrows stuck in our back yard where my kids play, and often heard BB's
hitting the side of our house. It was him allowing his, at the time 12 year old, un-monitored usage of said items ... They're quite the characters. I
have BB guns also, but we have a safe target area with bales of straw, and
not pointing toward any home. And or course, supervised. We shoot beer cans.
I need to drink more as the kids are complaining about wanting to practice again :)

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That's why I love fences around back yards.

Totally agree. Out of the 3 homes we've owned over the last 15 years, we have only found 1 that doesn't back up to a neighbor, and it was our
first home purchase. The fence helps, but I've had to plant quite a few privacy trees so our nosey neighbors will quit looking into our back
yard. They're nice people, but are constantly wanting to know what

Not sure if I mentioned it before...but am excited to see out ape masters
come after the asteroid arrives. Noisy neighbors want to be noisy...they
should be gone. ;)

then residential lawn mowing as the HOA's only wanted the front lawns mowed, for the price an entire lawn would have been mowed by a
residential company. It was normally rental properties, however occasionally the home owner, who neglected the homes we frequently were deployed to care for.

Not much with the HOA's there...but the city hated getting complaints for vacant houses...but had no problems collecting the fines of WF. Just the squeaky wheel getting the grease...so when school was out...this paid my
bills. The one part I loved was as long as anything was outside (we weren't allowed inside except to clean)...it was ours to take to the dump or keep.

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Is it just the "looking decently" that matters? Is there anything that precludes anyone to pave the area, or lay artificial turf?

As long as the grass looked mowed & place was clean...that's all the company wanted. Sometimes...took cleaning up garbage as well for us to get paid.

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On Fri 5-Jun-2020 6:18p, Black Panther@21:1/186.0 said to Spectre:

The giant redwood
The larch
The fir
The mighty Scots pine
The lofty flowing cherry
The plucky little aspen
The limping Roo tree of Nigeria
The towering Wattle of Aldershot
The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant
The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak
The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip
The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni
The Epigillus
The Barter Hughius Greenus
With my best buddy by my side
We'd sing, sing, sing

Anyone sorted this one out yet?

Ahh... Lumberjacks are ok.

Mick

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On 06-06-20 13:35, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Used to live in Arizona on the Colorado River in the Lake Havasu area
for several years. It's amazing how much you don't miss green grass (or any type of grass) & such when it's not native to the area. Out there...many lawns are gravel/desert-type vegetation to save all the
water we can. I remember moving to Idaho in 2009 & seeing everything green...tulips & such...rather than cactus blooming in March & back to being bare by April.

Yeah, I find I get used to being without grass pretty readily. There's plenty around here, but I've been to a lot more arid areas, where grasses are tufted and don't form a nuce green carpet.

Out there in Arizona...they have Monsoon season from June to September. It's during this time you see all the cars driving into gully's &
people needing to be rescued for being stupid. Finally...they put into state law that you do this...you will pay for your rescue...after
decades of making the state pay for it.

We don't get monsoons here. We have summer, which is mostly dry, interrupted by the occasional storm, or occasionally a tropical air mass might make for a rainy day. And then there's winter, which rarely has rain as intense, but more days with drizzle and showers, and higher monthly averages. That said, the past week has been mostly sunny and we've had no rain at all since Monday or Tuesday last week. :)


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green...tulips & such...rather than cactus blooming in March & back t being bare by April.

Yeah, I find I get used to being without grass pretty readily. There's plenty around here, but I've been to a lot more arid areas, where
grasses are tufted and don't form a nuce green carpet.

Yeah...never understood the thing about grass...other than a status symbol
for those with too much money. Wastes water & makes you hate having to take care of it.

We don't get monsoons here. We have summer, which is mostly dry, interrupted by the occasional storm, or occasionally a tropical air mass might make for a rainy day. And then there's winter, which rarely has rain as intense, but more days with drizzle and showers, and higher monthly averages. That said, the past week has been mostly sunny and we've had no rain at all since Monday or Tuesday last week. :)

Sounds like winters here. Right now...we're getting a lot more moisture than normal for this time. Later this summer...should end up dry with no rain for
a about 2-3 months.

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On 06-07-20 23:06, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah...never understood the thing about grass...other than a status
symbol for those with too much money. Wastes water & makes you hate
having to take care of it.

If you have kids or want to use it for sport, it makes sense, but a money saving tip is to let whatever grass grows. :)

Sounds like winters here. Right now...we're getting a lot more moisture than normal for this time. Later this summer...should end up dry with
no rain for a about 2-3 months.

Ahh, OK. Some years can be different for us. This past summer was a classic example. The first half was extremely dry with pretty much no rain, then the weather systems changed, and the latter part of summer became very wet, even record breaking in some areas.


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Hello Phoobar!

** On Sunday 07.06.20 - 23:06, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed:

Yeah...never understood the thing about grass...other than a status
symbol for those with too much money. Wastes water & makes you hate
having to take care of it.

I don't have a lawn around the house per-se, but when the grass gets long, it's not very nice to walk through knee-high grasses. Overgrown grass encourages rodents, ticks, dew messes up your pant legs, etc. For me, keeping it short would be a nice thing. I really don't care about brown patches. But a uniform top-cut looks very nice. Shorter grass can
encourage a nice visit from more birds.



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Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, I find I get used to being without grass pretty readily. There's plenty around here, but I've been to a lot more arid areas, where
grasses are tufted and don't form a nuce green carpet.

Yeah...never understood the thing about grass...other than a
status symbol for those with too much money.

A "status symbol"? LOL. It makes a house/home look nice, among
many other things. Things like a place for kids/dogs to play.
Like an inviting setting for outdoor cookouts/picnics/gatherings.
Like..... a million other things. "Too much money"? Strange
thought pattern you have.

Wastes water & makes you hate having to take care of it.

It doesn't "waste" water, and I don't mind taking care of it.


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symbol for those with too much money. Wastes water & makes you hate having to take care of it.

If you have kids or want to use it for sport, it makes sense, but a money saving tip is to let whatever grass grows. :)

You're right...but here in the States...many of the lots wouldn't really have enough area for sport...except for practicing your golf put/BBQ'ing.

than normal for this time. Later this summer...should end up dry with no rain for a about 2-3 months.

Ahh, OK. Some years can be different for us. This past summer was a classic example. The first half was extremely dry with pretty much no rain, then the weather systems changed, and the latter part of summer became very wet, even record breaking in some areas.

We're still getting lows in the mid-40's F...with highs still in the
mid-60's. Have a feeling around here it's going to be alternating weeks of sunshine/rain. ;(

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symbol for those with too much money. Wastes water & makes you hate having to take care of it.

I don't have a lawn around the house per-se, but when the grass gets
long, it's not very nice to walk through knee-high grasses. Overgrown grass encourages rodents, ticks, dew messes up your pant legs, etc. For brown patches. But a uniform top-cut looks very nice. Shorter grass can encourage a nice visit from more birds.

Good reason to have grass...but still like the gravel look with the right plants.

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On 06-08-20 11:16, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

You're right...but here in the States...many of the lots wouldn't
really have enough area for sport...except for practicing your golf put/BBQ'ing.

Still big enough for kids or a dog to play in though. :)

We're still getting lows in the mid-40's F...with highs still in the mid-60's. Have a feeling around here it's going to be alternating weeks
of sunshine/rain. ;(

Sounds rather cool for summer, we're around freezing at night and in the low-mid teens (55-60F) by day lately. :) But it is winter. ;)


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really have enough area for sport...except for practicing your golf put/BBQ'ing.

Still big enough for kids or a dog to play in though. :)

True. I was thinking more like football/rugby/cricket & such.

Sounds rather cool for summer, we're around freezing at night and in the low-mid teens (55-60F) by day lately. :) But it is winter. ;)

That's more like where I used to live in Arizona years ago. Used to wear cut-offs/t-shirts year round.

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..may just as well be some kind of artificial turf
that still allows water to drain through it.

Whats the fun in that? I love to mow professional baseball stripes
on my riding Zero Turn mower.

A zero turn riding mower would be perfect here. I see people with fancy riding mowers and they barely have 100x100' areas to mow.

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My apartment in only around 850 sq ft for 2 bedrooms...which is pretty specious for around here. Not much room right now...but it would be nice to have something growing.

I bunged a Frangi, some mint, and rhubarb in pots right outside my front �door.. just have to chase the possums off occasionally. And have workds with �the old bat down stairs who think's they hazardous to her health somehow...

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Haven't seen you at HOME_N_GRDN yet.

I posted a test message. I'll try rescanning it tomorrow. If nothing, I'll make sure I didn't unsubscribe. Otherwise who do I reach out to to see if there is a hub issue?

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On 06-09-20 10:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

really have enough area for sport...except for practicing your golf put/BBQ'ing.

Still big enough for kids or a dog to play in though. :)

True. I was thinking more like football/rugby/cricket & such.

Guess you've never played backyard cricket, with rules like "6 and out" if you hit the ball over the fence (resulting in someone having to visit the neighbour to retrive the ball! :) ). Backyard cricket with Indians is even more fun, because they allow all sorts of cheating in their rules. :D Easy to find Indians here to play cricket with, because a lot of students come over from India to study. And they LOVE their cricket even more than us Aussies, and that's saying something! :)

Sounds rather cool for summer, we're around freezing at night and in the low-mid teens (55-60F) by day lately. :) But it is winter. ;)

That's more like where I used to live in Arizona years ago. Used to
wear cut-offs/t-shirts year round.

The air is a bit chilly for T shirts this time of year, but I don't normally wear too many layers.


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** On Wednesday 10.06.20 - 02:05, The Godfather wrote to Ogg:

Haven't seen you at HOME_N_GRDN yet.

I posted a test message. I'll try rescanning it tomorrow. If nothing, I'll make sure I didn't unsubscribe. Otherwise who do I reach out to to see if there is a hub issue?

You just have to walk up the chain of sysops. First, contact your feed. They should take it from there. And if you know the path, maybe contact
the sysops in the path yourself (crash netmail to avoid routing problems)
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The air is a bit chilly for T shirts this time of year, but I don't normally wear too many layers.

Might be my sedentry life catching up with me, is it my imagination or is �this
the coldest early winter we've had in a long time?

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I bunged a Frangi, some mint, and rhubarb in pots right outside my front door..

Not around here. People & their kids seem to like other people's stuff more than their own.

Funny thing about rhubarb...saw it the 1st time growing & thought it was a giant weed. Mowed some of it down with the mower...until my old roommate told me what it was.

just have to chase the possums off occasionally. And have workds with
the old bat down stairs who think's they hazardous to her health somehow...

Funny animals we used to have around in Oklahoma/Texas. In terms of the old bat...you need to get that Sumatra Death Plant right before it blooms...just for her. If you want the gift which goes on giving...find some nightshades to pot. ;D

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rules. :D Easy to find Indians here to play cricket with, because a lot of students come over from India to study. And they LOVE their cricket even more than us Aussies, and that's saying something! :)

Have heard that. Around here...especially for the kids is football & American football. Only thing missing are pubs & pub fights. ;D

The air is a bit chilly for T shirts this time of year, but I don't normally wear too many layers.

I'm hot blooded...so what you consider chilly I would find comfortable.

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Might be my sedentry life catching up with me, is it my imagination or is this the coldest early winter we've had in a long time?

I think its been the coldest and wetest for a long time for sure.

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On 06-10-20 23:41, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

The air is a bit chilly for T shirts this time of year, but I don't normally wear too many layers.

Might be my sedentry life catching up with me, is it my imagination or
is this the coldest early winter we've had in a long time?

While we've had some crispy mornings, and Melbourne has had a record breaking or near record breaking run of 2 degree mornings, so your PoV is understandable. Maybe my exceptionally active lifestyle is making me more and more resistant to the cold? ;)


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On 06-10-20 08:37, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Have heard that. Around here...especially for the kids is football & American football. Only thing missing are pubs & pub fights. ;D

Football (of the Australian variety) is huge here, basically a religion. :) It's normally footy in winter and cricket in summer, though I'm a rebel, being a track and field guy. :D

The air is a bit chilly for T shirts this time of year, but I don't normally wear too many layers.

I'm hot blooded...so what you consider chilly I would find comfortable.

Bragging? :D


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Might be my sedentry life catching up with me, is it my

While we've had some crispy mornings, and Melbourne has had a record breaking or near record breaking run of 2 degree mornings, so your
PoV is understandable. Maybe my exceptionally active lifestyle
is making me more and more resistant to the cold? ;)

Could well be, was a time I went year round in shorts at work, might have a �couple of layers around the torso if it was cold enough. Shrug.. I'll blame �the sedentry lifestyle.. :)

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Not around here. People & their kids seem to like other people's stuff

Ha, you know this is safe, they can't get anything for it round at cash �converters. :P

Funny thing about rhubarb...saw it the 1st time growing & thought it was a

My Mother used to grow it so I always knew what it was, strangely I've not �had
much joy trying to grow it myself. Can't seem to find a happy spot for �it, although its meant to be hungry as all get out so needs a lot feeding... �Probably doesn't help last time I got potting mix, there was only nasty �cheeep stuff.

Goes a treat with some apple and brown sugar...

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Football (of the Australian variety) is huge here, basically a religion. :) It's normally footy in winter and cricket in summer, though
I'm a rebel, being a track and field guy. :D

There was a time... I would've agreed with that completely. But I think AFL �has passed its prime. Certainly far fewer one eye supporters around than �there used to be. But its also not a parochial suburb driven thing anymore �and I think thats hurt it too... as much as its allowed them to expand more.

I forget now what was at the top of the play list now but there was a time �not long ago where Aussie Rules was running 3 or 4th in uptake.

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Football (of the Australian variety) is huge here, basically a religion. :) It's normally footy in winter and cricket in summer, though I'm a rebel, being a track and field guy. :D

Always have respect for any sport where if there's any issues which come up...you have something to defend yourself with. Know how those cricket
matches become like professional wrestling...only you're better dressed.

I'm hot blooded...so what you consider chilly I would find comfortabl

Bragging? :D

Nah...truth. I've got a fever of one million & 3...hot blooded...hot blooded. ;)

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Not around here. People & their kids seem to like other people's stuf

Ha, you know this is safe, they can't get anything for it round at cash �converters. :P

Many times...it's just to get something they can sell for a few dollars.

Funny thing about rhubarb...saw it the 1st time growing & thought it

My Mother used to grow it so I always knew what it was, strangely I've
not �had much joy trying to grow it myself. Can't seem to find a happy

Saw it being used in recipes...but never in the wild. Never expected leaves
the size of a car hood...but they are resilient...since a couple of weeks
later it was back growing all happy with no one doing anything for to it.

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On 06-11-20 21:54, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Could well be, was a time I went year round in shorts at work, might
have a couple of layers around the torso if it was cold enough.
Shrug.. I'll blame the sedentry lifestyle.. :)

Haha, well, in a week and a half, I'm upping the ante again. Starting with a trainer to work on strength and other conditioning specifics in 10 days time to improve performance for next season, where I have entered the Oceania Masters championships and it's likely I'll take up pro running (think Stawell Gift for the Aussies among us) to get additional race practice on grass. :)

Note: not that I will be in the actual Stawell Gift race, but there are Masters events on the pro circuit that I will have a go at. :)


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On 06-11-20 22:14, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

There was a time... I would've agreed with that completely. But I think AFL has passed its prime. Certainly far fewer one eye supporters around

Yeah, my interest in footy has waned significantly over the years.

than there used to be. But its also not a parochial suburb driven thing anymore and I think thats hurt it too... as much as its allowed them to expand more.

Yeah. The game still has a good following, but its character has certainly changed a lot.

I forget now what was at the top of the play list now but there was a time not long ago where Aussie Rules was running 3 or 4th in uptake.

I'd be curious to see that list. :)


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On 06-11-20 19:56, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Always have respect for any sport where if there's any issues which
come up...you have something to defend yourself with. Know how those cricket matches become like professional wrestling...only you're better dressed.

Haha, I can use the SR-71 school of self defenct - go faster! :D

Hmm, I've never seen a cricket match that looks like wrestling. I don't know where you watch cricket! :D

I'm hot blooded...so what you consider chilly I would find comfortabl

Bragging? :D

Nah...truth. I've got a fever of one million & 3...hot blooded...hot blooded. ;)

Haha I was waiting for that. :D


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Always have respect for any sport where if there's any issues which come up...you have something to defend yourself with. Know how those

Haha, I can use the SR-71 school of self defenct - go faster! :D
Hmm, I've never seen a cricket match that looks like wrestling. I don't know where you watch cricket! :D

Remember I said something which might come up. At least you would be ready. Anyway...a sport which one of Doctor's participated in during the show has to be a great sport.

Nah...truth. I've got a fever of one million & 3...hot blooded...hot blooded. ;)

Haha I was waiting for that. :D

Going back to my former life. Just love those zinc memories. ;D

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On 06-12-20 13:57, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Remember I said something which might come up. At least you would be

And I've never seen anything requiring wielding the bat at anything other than the ball in cricket. :)

Yeah, and my SR-71 reference was because when someone did take a shot at them, the pilots simply opened up the thrttle and the missiles ran out of fuel long before they got anywhere near the plane. :)

ready. Anyway...a sport which one of Doctor's participated in during
the show has to be a great sport.

True. :)

Nah...truth. I've got a fever of one million & 3...hot blooded...hot blooded. ;)

Haha I was waiting for that. :D

Going back to my former life. Just love those zinc memories. ;D

:)


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Remember I said something which might come up. At least you would be

And I've never seen anything requiring wielding the bat at anything
other than the ball in cricket. :)

Nothing like being prepared. ;)

Yeah, and my SR-71 reference was because when someone did take a shot at them, the pilots simply opened up the thrttle and the missiles ran out
of fuel long before they got anywhere near the plane. :)

Not one who knows anything about this plane...other than what it was designed to do...doesn't surprise me at all.

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Yeah, and my SR-71 reference was because when someone did take a shot at them, the pilots simply opened up the thrttle and the missiles

It wasn't possible to hit an SR-71 with a missile, they were just too slow.

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Haha, well, in a week and a half, I'm upping the ante again. Starting with a trainer to work on strength and other conditioning
specifics in 10 days time to improve performance for next season,
where I have entered the Oceania Masters championships and it's

So you'll be in the stringy old bastards category :) Try not to blow �anything
up eh!

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I forget now what was at the top of the play list now but there was

I'd be curious to see that list. :)

Doubt I could track it down, but subsequent thoughts, had AFL third behind �football, fussball fur diesen sprechen sie deutsch (soccer), and ARL Thugby...

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On 06-13-20 08:29, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Not one who knows anything about this plane...other than what it was designed to do...doesn't surprise me at all.

The SR-71's top speed is listed as Mach 3.2, and it can go to 3.3+ if the compressor inlet temperature doesn't exceed 801F. However, who knows what the actual top speed was. :)


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On 06-14-20 15:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, and my SR-71 reference was because when someone did take a shot at them, the pilots simply opened up the thrttle and the missiles

It wasn't possible to hit an SR-71 with a missile, they were just too slow.

Exactly. :)


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On 06-13-20 05:13, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Haha, well, in a week and a half, I'm upping the ante again. Starting with a trainer to work on strength and other conditioning
specifics in 10 days time to improve performance for next season,
where I have entered the Oceania Masters championships and it's

So you'll be in the stringy old bastards category :) Try not to blow anything up eh!

Well, theoretically, the new program should actually reduce the risk of injury.
And besides, I am at lowest risk when I'm in consistent training.


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On 06-13-20 05:17, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I forget now what was at the top of the play list now but there was

I'd be curious to see that list. :)

Doubt I could track it down, but subsequent thoughts, had AFL third behind football, fussball fur diesen sprechen sie deutsch (soccer), and ARL Thugby...

Fair enough. :)


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Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, and my SR-71 reference was because when someone did take a shot at them, the pilots simply opened up the thrttle and the missiles

It wasn't possible to hit an SR-71 with a missile, they were just
too slow.

Well....... that's a little too general of a statement...

Perhaps they couldn't be hit with a *land*-launched missile.

Perhaps they couldn't be hit with an *aircraft*-launched missile
from directly behind them (because they would outrun the missile).

But an enemy aircraft approaching from the side, or from a head-on
direction, would be a different story. The SR-71, while fast, was
not all that manueverable. Certainly not as agile as a fighter
jet. Of course all this is assuming the SR-71 was not all the way
up at altitude, where normal fighters couldn't follow.

The point is that they *could* be hit with a missile, under the
right conditions.



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The SR-71's top speed is listed as Mach 3.2, and it can go to 3.3+ if the compressor inlet temperature doesn't exceed 801F. However, who knows
what the actual top speed was. :)

If he were alive...we might be asking Gary Powers. ;)

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Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

The SR-71's top speed is listed as Mach 3.2, and it can go to 3.3+ if the compressor inlet temperature doesn't exceed 801F. However, who knows
what the actual top speed was. :)

If he were alive...we might be asking Gary Powers. ;)

Gary Powers was a U-2 pilot, who was shot down by the Russians.

He didn't fly the SR-71 as far as I know.



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On 06-14-20 08:37, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

The SR-71's top speed is listed as Mach 3.2, and it can go to 3.3+ if the compressor inlet temperature doesn't exceed 801F. However, who knows
what the actual top speed was. :)

If he were alive...we might be asking Gary Powers. ;)

Indeed. ;)


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Well, theoretically, the new program should actually reduce the risk
of injury. And besides, I am at lowest risk when I'm in consistent training.

Not completely on board with you there, but good luck :)


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Well....... that's a little too general of a statement...

Perhaps they couldn't be hit with a *land*-launched missile.

Perhaps they couldn't be hit with an *aircraft*-launched missile
from directly behind them (because they would outrun the missile).

But an enemy aircraft approaching from the side, or from a head-on direction, would be a different story. The SR-71, while fast, was
not all that manueverable. Certainly not as agile as a fighter
jet. Of course all this is assuming the SR-71 was not all the way
up at altitude, where normal fighters couldn't follow.

Well thats true. Even i could hit one with an air rifle, if it was sitting �still on the tarmac :) But in normal operation... no, not going to happen... � If you got lucky with a t-bone launch from a fighter, I believe the same �still applies, you pick up the pace, it won't be able to match the �acceleration... So sure, if you got lucky on its way up or down, sure someone �might be able to hit with something, under way and on mission, for the time, �no...

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If he were alive...we might be asking Gary Powers. ;)

There's an amusing annecdote kicking around somewhere, about pilots �requesting
ground speed indications from Traffic Control... where there's a �certain one upmanship going on amongst pilots. Works its way along from �someone in his little single prop job to a twin job, through an F16 and �ultimately the SR-71 :)

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There's an amusing annecdote kicking around somewhere, about pilots �requesting ground speed indications from Traffic Control... where
there's a �certain one upmanship going on amongst pilots. Works its way along from �someone in his little single prop job to a twin job, through

When he died...he was a pilot for either a radio/TV station. After being returned to the US...his life was never the same.

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When he died...he was a pilot for either a radio/TV station. After
being returned to the US...his life was never the same.

Uh? Did I miss a bit in there somewhere.....


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When he died...he was a pilot for either a radio/TV station. After being returned to the US...his life was never the same.

Uh? Did I miss a bit in there somewhere.....

Not at all. He worked as a helicopter pilot for KNBC in Los Angeles and died
in a 1977 helicopter crash in Encino, CA.

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On 06-15-20 12:25, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Well, theoretically, the new program should actually reduce the risk
of injury. And besides, I am at lowest risk when I'm in consistent training.

Not completely on board with you there, but good luck :)

Hehe thanls, well I get up to speed many times each week. :)


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