On 02 Jun 2020 at 03:24p, apam pondered and said...

Perhaps it would be a good idea to change subject lines when the topic
of the message shifts - I know Paul was wanting people to do that a
while back, and it's something I've been lazy about myself.

Give that man a gold fsxNet star!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/04/20 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

On 02 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

Give that man a gold fsxNet star!

/\
____/ \____
\ /
> <
/___ ___\
\ /
\/

Proudly presenting to apam on this 2nd day of June, in the year 2020.

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms BBS | bbs.nrbbs.net | Binbrook, ON (21:3/110)

Re: Re: It's a new thread Jim!
By: Warpslide to Avon on Tue Jun 02 2020 12:35 pm

/\
____/ \____
\ /
> <
/___ ___\
\ /
\/
Proudly presenting to apam on this 2nd day of June, in the year 2020.

I want one, what do I have to do to get one ??? :)

...����

... Death is hereditary
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

Hello alterego,

I want one, what do I have to do to get one ??? :)

Here, this ones for you. ;)

/\
____/ \____
\ /
> <
/___ ___\
\ /
\/


Ttyl :-),
Al

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

Re: It's a new thread Jim!
By: Al to alterego on Tue Jun 02 2020 03:30 pm

Here, this ones for you. ;)
/\
____/ \____
\ /
> <
/___ ___\
\ /
\/
Ttyl :-),
Al

<feeling humble>

:)

...����

... Under capitalism man exploits man; under socialism the reverse is true.
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

On 02 Jun 2020 at 12:35p, Warpslide pondered and said...

Give that man a gold fsxNet star!

/\
____/ \____
\ /
> <
/___ ___\
\ /
\/

Very flash ::)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/04/20 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Very flash ::)�

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|14Best regards,
|11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

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|07�� |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07��

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)

Very flash ::)

mL

*hat tip*

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms BBS | bbs.nrbbs.net | Binbrook, ON (21:3/110)

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...


SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115 116 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134 135 136 SEEN-BY: 1/137 138 139 140 141 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 SEEN-BY: 1/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 171 172 SEEN-BY: 1/173 174 175 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 SEEN-BY: 1/191 192 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 207 208 209 210 SEEN-BY: 1/995 999 2/100 3/100 4/100 5/100

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

That's all that came through on that message. Also, the next two messages are garbled headers in Mystic... Not sure what happened...


---

Black Panther(RCS)
Castle Rock BBS

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

On 03 Jun 2020, Black Panther said the following...

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

That's all that came through on that message. Also, the next two
messages are garbled headers in Mystic... Not sure what happened...

HI from 1/100

Looks like one packet I sent in was tossing OK according to the MUTIL logs
but the 4 messages in the JAM base look totally borked and unreadable here.

I have started a process to capture incoming packets should this happen again and I suspect it will.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/04/21 (Windows/32)
* Origin: fsxNet HUB (21:1/100)

On 03 Jun 2020 at 08:55p, Black Panther pondered and said...

That's all that came through on that message. Also, the next two
messages are garbled headers in Mystic... Not sure what happened...

My hunch is it's to do with the ANSI I am quoting in the message I am
replying to. Just managed to create the same issue twice now.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/04/20 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

HI from 1/100

Hi Paul

Looks like one packet I sent in was tossing OK according to the MUTIL
logs but the 4 messages in the JAM base look totally borked and
unreadable here.

It's a bit strange that it's only messages that you are sending that seem to
be having issues...

I have started a process to capture incoming packets should this happen again and I suspect it will.

The way it's looking, you will have one soon.


---

Black Panther(RCS)
Castle Rock BBS

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

Didn't think it was gonna be that soon... :)

At least this seems to be the only 'problem child' this time. No other unreadable messages, at least not here.


---

Black Panther(RCS)
Castle Rock BBS

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

My hunch is it's to do with the ANSI I am quoting in the message I am replying to. Just managed to create the same issue twice now.

Well, stop it! ;)

I wonder if the word wrap fix that was put into place messed up ANSI
quoting...


---

Black Panther(RCS)
Castle Rock BBS

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

Re: Re: When you wish upon a ....
By: Avon to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Jun 04 2020 02:30 pm

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

Another message with just SEEN-BY's :)

...����

... I'm not the one that misplaced the Deltivid asteroid belt!
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

Nice work, one of the vrey few ANSI gizmos that actually looks like its meant �to at my end. :)

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

------- Tear here -------
Rest of message is AWOL.


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

At least this seems to be the only 'problem child' this time. No other unreadable messages, at least not here.

Could be the ANSI?

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

Meat.

I've been wanting to post some instructional information on the aviation echo with some ansi and have had trouble figuring out how to translate the ansi files to the encoding chars so they render properly.

Can you provide a hint on how you do that?

Daniel Traechin

... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
* Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)

I've been wanting to post some instructional information on the aviation echo with some ansi and have had trouble figuring out how to translate
the ansi files to the encoding chars so they render properly.

Can you provide a hint on how you do that?

All I did was while the original message was on screen I hit R for reply,
once I got the editor open I hit escape and chose "upload content" and then navigated to my ansi file I created in moebius and it just uploaded it into
the message I was editing.

This is likely just a mystic thing though, although I'm sure other bbs software would have something like that hopefully.

Hope this helps

---
|14Best regards,
|11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

|07�� |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07�� |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07��Ŀ |07�� |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07�� |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07���� |07�� |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07�� |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07����
|07�� |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07��

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)

Nice work, one of the vrey few ANSI gizmos that actually looks like its meant to at my end. :)

Thank you sir. I think that Mystic helps in this case, uploading content into
a message in the editor, although I would imaging other bbs software would allow the same.

---
|14Best regards,
|11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

|07�� |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07�� |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07��Ŀ |07�� |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07�� |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07���� |07�� |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07�� |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07����
|07�� |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07��

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)

On 03 Jun 2020, Warpslide said the following...

Very flash ::)

mL

*hat tip*

Thanks =)

---
|14Best regards,
|11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

|07�� |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07�� |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07��Ŀ |07�� |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07�� |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07���� |07�� |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07�� |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07����
|07�� |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07��

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)

On 03 Jun 2020, Black Panther said the following...

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

That's all that came through on that message. Also, the next two
messages are garbled headers in Mystic... Not sure what happened...

Same here, I thought it was just me...

-=- Gary aka HSM -=-
-=TheFreeSpeak.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/28 (Windows/64)
* Origin: -=- TheFreeSpeak.com -=- Pittsburgh, PA -=- (21:2/162)

On 04 Jun 2020, HSM said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020, Black Panther said the following...

On 04 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:09p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

That's all that came through on that message. Also, the next two messages are garbled headers in Mystic... Not sure what happened...

Same here, I thought it was just me...

Avon has actually discovered the new invisible ink feature in Mystic. If you hold a black light up to you screen you can see the message. ;)

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms BBS | bbs.nrbbs.net | Binbrook, ON (21:3/110)

MeaTLoTioN wrote to calcmandan <=-

I've been wanting to post some instructional information on the aviation echo with some ansi and have had trouble figuring out how to translate
the ansi files to the encoding chars so they render properly.

Can you provide a hint on how you do that?

All I did was while the original message was on screen I hit R for
reply, once I got the editor open I hit escape and chose "upload
content" and then navigated to my ansi file I created in moebius and it just uploaded it into the message I was editing.

This is likely just a mystic thing though, although I'm sure other bbs software would have something like that hopefully.

I use an offline reader so I'm trying to figure out how to use it. My editor is emacs.

Daniel Traechin

... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
* Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)

Thank you sir. I think that Mystic helps in this case, uploading content into a message in the editor, although I would imaging other bbs
software would allow the same.

If I have to send a file.... I use the mail tossers utils to get it done. �Uploading is very unreliable here...

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

Avon has actually discovered the new invisible ink feature in Mystic. If you hold a black light up to you screen you can see the message.

Just so long as you don't have to heat it :)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

Nice Ansi.
;)

*Sotano Msx BBS*
telnet sotanomsxbbs.org:23
<Ultimo usuario activo de Msx en Ibiza>

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Sotano Msx Bbs (21:1/150)

Hello Meatlotion!

** On Wednesday 03.06.20 - 22:09, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Avon:

[0mAv> Very flash ::)�
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[snip]

What offline readers support ANSI?

I checked out some of the messages with ANSI directly on a BBS. The
results were not the best:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star1_ov87iywl.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star2_6xucjrez.png

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi1_xbccr4nj.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi2_h5qkx0iy.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi3_yau1hrjn.png



--- OpenXP 5.0.44
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

Hello Ogg,

What offline readers support ANSI?

Multimail does. Press "V" when reading a message with ansi codes.

I checked out some of the messages with ANSI directly on a BBS. The results were not the best:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star1_ov87iywl.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star2_6xucjrez.png

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi1_xbccr4nj.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi2_h5qkx0iy.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi3_yau1hrjn.png

Mystic and Synchronet render ansi messages as expected as far as I have seen. When using Synchronet I often have to use the backscroll to view ansi messages.

Some BBSs like MBSE work well as long as the message body doesn't mess with the
header display.

Other BBSs like BBBS doesn't even attempt to handle ansi at all.

Ttyl :-),
Al

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

On 06-08-20 23:15, Ogg wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

What offline readers support ANSI?

Multimail can view ANSI (use the V key while viewing the message), and I recall Bluewave having an ANSI viewer. However, editing ANSI replies is a totally different issue - no OLR that I know of can do that.


... Golf is a walk, spoiled.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.51
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

What offline readers support ANSI?

Multimail, which is currently supported and can do QWK and Bluewave.
SLMR, which is an orphanware QWK reader.



... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
--- MultiMail
* Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)

Hello Al!

** On Monday 08.06.20 - 23:47, Al wrote to Ogg:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi1_xbccr4nj.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi2_h5qkx0iy.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi3_yau1hrjn.png

Mystic and Synchronet render ansi messages as expected as far as I
have seen. When using Synchronet I often have to use the backscroll to
view ansi messages.

Those WERE displayed on a Synchronet bbs: Palantir.

Some BBSs like MBSE work well as long as the message body doesn't mess
with the header display.

As you could see those images wanted to overtake the header area. But
none of them could be viewed in one piece.

I was using NetRunner. Would that contribute to part of that problem?

Other BBSs like BBBS doesn't even attempt to handle ansi at all.

I don't see ansi in messages to catch on with new people. The ansi can
look great on boards, in menus, etc. But the non-uniform compatibility across different systems in message ares is not flattering to the artform.


--- OpenXP 5.0.44
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

Hello Al!

** On Monday 08.06.20 - 23:47, Al wrote to Ogg:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi1_xbccr4nj.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi2_h5qkx0iy.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/ansi3_yau1hrjn.png

Mystic and Synchronet render ansi messages as expected as far
as I have seen. When using Synchronet I often have to use the
backscroll to view ansi messages.

Those WERE displayed on a Synchronet bbs: Palantir.

That's not the default synchronet message reader, unless it's changed dramatically since I last checked. The default synchronet message reader
works fine. (Are you sure it's Palantir? The screenshots say Danger Bay)

I was using NetRunner. Would that contribute to part of that
problem?

Unlikely.

Other BBSs like BBBS doesn't even attempt to handle ansi at
all.

I don't see ansi in messages to catch on with new people. The ansi
can look great on boards, in menus, etc. But the non-uniform compatibility across different systems in message ares is not
flattering to the artform.

That is why we're supposed to prefix them here with [ANSI] so those who
use obscure systems can skip over them.

ANSI shouldn't be used for text messages - and I think there is an
annoying side effect to uploading messages in Mystic that sets it as
ANSI and all the capital letters are highlighted.

I don't really see a problem though 99% of "new people" are using either
mystic or synchronet - both of which display ansi fine.

Andrew

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
* Origin: HappyLand - telnet://magickabbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)

Hello apam!

** On Wednesday 10.06.20 - 11:27, apam wrote to Ogg:

Those WERE displayed on a Synchronet bbs: Palantir.

That's not the default synchronet message reader, unless it's changed dramatically since I last checked. The default synchronet message reader works fine. (Are you sure it's Palantir? The screenshots say Danger Bay)

Ooops.. I left out these from the original post:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star1_ov87iywl.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star2_6xucjrez.png

I never thought that it might have something to do with the "shell". I should probably switch to the Synchro-style and compare.

Thanks. I was just curious about seeing ansi working right.

ANSI shouldn't be used for text messages

AH! Then that explains it.

- and I think there is an annoying side effect to uploading messages
in Mystic that sets it as ANSI and all the capital letters are
highlighted.

Outch.

I don't really see a problem though 99% of "new people" are using either mystic or synchronet - both of which display ansi fine.

In messages? I'll try it, again.


--- OpenXP 5.0.44
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

Ooops.. I left out these from the original post:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star1_ov87iywl.png
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fsx-star2_6xucjrez.png

Ah, that is odd.

Andrew

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
* Origin: HappyLand - telnet://magickabbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)

Quoting apam to Ogg <=-

I don't really see a problem though 99% of "new people" are using
either mystic or synchronet - both of which display ansi fine.

Even for those people using offline mail (like me) I just have to hit
ALT-V to view the message. Never really bothers me... I just don't
quote anything if I have to reply.

Shawn

... I am Moe of Borg. That assimilation ain't free y'know.

--- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
* Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)