I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4 echos that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a wider appeal and nature.

I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there is demand for some spaces to chat about TV,Movies, etc.etc would an entertainment 'general' echo work?

The goal being to distill down wider topics into a few general 'catch all' echos where they could reside. So a sports echo for all sorts or sports etc.

If you're keen (as I know some seem to be) have a crack at trying to group source a list of suggested 'new' fsxNet echos and let's discuss it further.

But your task is to keep them to 2-4 in total so you're really being asked to try and be as catch all as you can in what you devise.

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On 06-02-20 20:55, Avon wrote to All <=-

I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there is
demand for some spaces to chat about TV,Movies, etc.etc would an entertainment 'general' echo work?

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT Sports and Entertainment.

The goal being to distill down wider topics into a few general 'catch
all' echos where they could reside. So a sports echo for all sorts or sports etc.

Yep, and I've even combined it further above. ;)


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On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:55p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4 echos that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a wider appeal
and nature.

I could see that, but I wish there was a dedicated "technical"
conference for, well, purely technical but general topics.

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Avon wrote to All <=-

I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4
echos that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a
wider appeal and nature.

I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there
is demand for some spaces to chat about TV,Movies, etc.etc would
an entertainment 'general' echo work?

The goal being to distill down wider topics into a few general
'catch all' echos where they could reside. So a sports echo for
all sorts or sports etc.

If you're keen (as I know some seem to be) have a crack at trying
to group source a list of suggested 'new' fsxNet echos and let's
discuss it further.

But your task is to keep them to 2-4 in total so you're really
being asked to try and be as catch all as you can in what you
devise.

I think that three additional echos would be good:

1. Entertainment - for discussion about movies, music, hobbies.
2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
3. Test - for the requisite and never-ending "test" messages.

The Entertainment and Sports topics are both wide enough to
deserve their own echos. The Test echo would greatly reduce
traffic in this "General Chat" echo, which would be a good thing
in my opinion.

As has been discussed recently, I think that Politics/Debate are
two topics that should not have a dedicated echo, and should be
discouraged (dis-allowed?) in any new/future/existing echos.



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deserve their own echos. The Test echo would greatly reduce
traffic in this "General Chat" echo, which would be a good thing
in my opinion.

Again tend to agree here again :)

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I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4 echos that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a wider appeal
and nature.
I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there is
demand for some spaces to chat about TV,Movies, etc.etc would an entertainment 'general' echo work?

Something I added when I set up my board was some echoes on British TV/movies...old Fox TV shows...Doctor Who/the Outer Limits (60's & 90's versions)/Gene Roddenberry productions (Genesis II/Questor Files & such) & Irwin Allen (Lost in Space & Towering Inferno & such). I'm the only one who adds stuff to them...but stuff like this is nothing I find anywhere else.

Sure it is stuff I'm interested in...but there have have to be others who
would love to read/talk about stuff like this.

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On 02 Jun 2020, Gamgee said the following...

As has been discussed recently, I think that Politics/Debate are
two topics that should not have a dedicated echo, and should be discouraged (dis-allowed?) in any new/future/existing echos.

Agreed. There are other places to have these conversations. If they were
ever to be created, they should be optional as I wouldn't carry them.

Jay

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Re: Re: General Echos
By: Gamgee to Avon on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:51 am

I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4
echos that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a
wider appeal and nature.
I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there

2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
The Entertainment and Sports topics are both wide enough to
deserve their own echos. The Test echo would greatly reduce

So would you consider joining Sportsnet for the General Sports chat? I have created a general chat area (or perhaps it already exists, dont remember now) -
for that person (in addition to the many sports specific channels based on the sport type, eg: BMX, or the sport competion, eg: Tennis (ITF).

One long goal I have, and I'm hoping to pick it up again (and perhaps encouragment will help me prioritise it :) is to have a distributed database of
echomail, so that:

* FTN becomes like "IP", you only need 1 address to access multiple networks, not an address in every network - I dont get why a zone 24 address can only access zone 24 stuff.
* There are a bunch of echoareas available to collect, so you can pick and choose - we'd still use hubs to distribute them though...
* To consolidate the repeatious areas - eg: a lot of nets have a "Mystic" channel, if I was a Mystic user, I'd want to go to one place to talk about it, not be in the "right net" to talk about it.

So, if get my long term goal up and running, then I would have a discussion with Avon and makeing SportsNet available with FSX, and visa versa. Then, if you only wanted 1 or the other, you joined that network. But if you wanted both, you would only have to be in 1 of them, and you could access the echos for the other (and thus ditch that address if you had one). (And if you wanted both addresses so you could still treat them seperate on your side - because your old software cant handle it, you could do that too...)

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Avon

But your task is to keep them to 2-4 in total so you're really
being asked to try and be as catch all as you can in what you
devise.

I think that three additional echos would be good:

1. Entertainment - for discussion about movies, music, hobbies.
2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
3. Test - for the requisite and never-ending "test" messages.

I agree with this one and have "General Chat" main echo


If fsxnet had Entertainment Sports together would be good two
but if I going to read messages, like to read discussion about movies, music, hobbies.
in it echo for all types of sporting discussion. in sports echo easer to follow the
subject line

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On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115 116 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134 135 136 SEEN-BY: 1/137 138 139 140 141 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 SEEN-BY: 1/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 171 172 SEEN-BY: 1/173 174 175 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 SEEN-BY: 1/191 192 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 207 208 209 210 SEEN-BY: 1/995 999 2/100 3/100 4/100 5/100

On 03 Jun 2020 at 02:05a, tenser pondered and said...

I'm interested in your feedback about the idea of adding say 2-4 echo that would cover shall we other non technical topics of a wider appea and nature.

I could see that, but I wish there was a dedicated "technical"
conference for, well, purely technical but general topics.

Could you elaborate a bit for me? I'm just wondering how we would best
explain that to a newcomer who would look at the echo and understand what purpose it served vs other available echos?

It would be good to hear from others on this one too :) Thanks!

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On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:51a, Gamgee pondered and said...

I think that three additional echos would be good:

1. Entertainment - for discussion about movies, music, hobbies.
2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
3. Test - for the requisite and never-ending "test" messages.

[snip]

As has been discussed recently, I think that Politics/Debate are
two topics that should not have a dedicated echo, and should be discouraged (dis-allowed?) in any new/future/existing echos.

all noted. Thanks :)

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Hello alterego!

** On Wednesday 03.06.20 - 08:08, alterego wrote to All:

One long goal I have, and I'm hoping to pick it up again (and perhaps encouragment will help me prioritise it :) is to have a distributed database of echomail, so that:

* FTN becomes like "IP", you only need 1 address to access multiple networks, not an address in every network - I dont get why a zone 24 address can only access zone 24 stuff.

I think that would introduce a technical problem across Zones if the subsequent net/node parts of the addresses are the same.

For instance, and echo picked up on Tiny's system, 21:1/130, should not be then sent to Nick's system on 1:1/130. One or the other system would
drop the messages as dupes. Forget the techical term for it, but zone
gating is a problem if the echo traverses between 21: and 1: when the net/ node numbers are the same in each zone. I think the problem arises in
SEENBY processing, since the SEENBYs do not recognize the zones.

I think this is the reason we don't see any of the same net/node numbers across all the other Fidonet zones. (Well.. there is one, but they
probably don't pick up any echos.)

BTW, I'm all for a FTN-wide echoDB(tm) of sorts that catalogs all the
echos available by Net or Zone. That is one of the things I mentioned in FUTURE4FIDO over a year ago.


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On 02 Jun 2020 at 10:26a, Phoobar pondered and said...

Something I added when I set up my board was some echoes on British TV/movies...old Fox TV shows...Doctor Who/the Outer Limits (60's & 90's versions)/Gene Roddenberry productions (Genesis II/Questor Files & such)
& Irwin Allen (Lost in Space & Towering Inferno & such). I'm the only
one who adds stuff to them...but stuff like this is nothing I find anywhere else.

Compared to what we're kicking around I'd say those are probably more niche than I was thinking we might add at this stage. But I take your point on
their interest to some and like the idea they could be discussed in some entertainment style echo and I guess if the subject matter grew to such a
size then they would devolve off to their own fsx echo..

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Re: echoDB: distributed database of echomail
By: Ogg to alterego on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:25 pm

I think that would introduce a technical problem across Zones if the subsequent net/node parts of the addresses are the same.
For instance, and echo picked up on Tiny's system, 21:1/130, should not be then sent to Nick's system on 1:1/130. One or the other system would

So I am aware of this "problem" - and to quote an expression I use "Each problem is an opportunity", or another, "every problem does have a solution - but some folks might not like the solution".

Today, we are able to receive echos in the fidonet that spans zones 1-4. And yes, while fidonet changed to have unique nets/nodes - it wasnt like that back in the day IIRC?. (Im hoping this statement doesnt spark historical messages of
"it didnt work" in the day... :)

drop the messages as dupes. Forget the techical term for it, but zone gating is a problem if the echo traverses between 21: and 1: when the net/ node numbers are the same in each zone. I think the problem arises in SEENBY processing, since the SEENBYs do not recognize the zones.

The theory is (to which I will validate it) - is if the message crosses a "zone", that the SEENBY be stripped (it would then appear to originate from the
top as passes to the new zone).

So yes, when I bundle messages for a "hub", that I need to "protend" to be in the same zone as said hub (and therefore only show the same SEENBYs that that hub would see) - which I may need to protend to be a different "zone" with a different hub.

It may not work, but I wont know until I try :)

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Re: Re: General Echos
By: Avon to Vk3jed on Wed Jun 03 2020 12:09 pm

On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc.
Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in
the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:
FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115 116 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134

...

5/100

That's all this message had - did you say something?

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On 03 Jun 2020 at 10:41a, alterego pondered and said...

Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in
the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:
FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 13

...

That's all this message had - did you say something?

Yes I replied to it, can see it here at Agency I wonder if others saw my
reply?

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Hello Avon,

@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A46
@MSGID: 21:1/101 a57ce72a
@REPLY: 48704.fsx-fsx_gen@21:1/109 233c2fe7
@TZUTC: 1200
On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature,
etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly
mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115
116 117
SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134
135 136
SEEN-BY: 1/137 138 139 140 141 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152
153 154
SEEN-BY: 1/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169
171 172
SEEN-BY: 1/173 174 175 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188
189 190
SEEN-BY: 1/191 192 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 207 208
209 210
SEEN-BY: 1/995 999 2/100 3/100 4/10 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107
109 110 111
SEEN-BY: 4/112 113 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 128 129
131 133
SEEN-BY: 4/134 135 136 137 138 139 141 143 144 146 147 148 150 151 152
153 154
SEEN-BY: 4/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 163 164 165 166 167 168 170 171
172 173
SEEN-BY: 4/174 5/100
@PATH: 1/100 4/100

I also see it like this here.. Nothing aside from FSX_ENT.. no tearline and no origin line.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

On 06-02-20 20:55, Avon wrote to All <=-

I'm thinking sports, entertainment etc. My thinking is if there is demand for some spaces to chat about TV,Movies, etc.etc would an entertainment 'general' echo work?

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115 116 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134 135 136 SEEN-BY: 1/137 138 139 140 141 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 SEEN-BY: 1/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 171 172 SEEN-BY: 1/173 174 175 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 SEEN-BY: 1/191 192 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 207 208 209 210 SEEN-BY: 1/995 999 2/100 3/100 4/100 5/100

Hello Avon,

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature,
etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly
mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT

I replied to this message from your BBS also, and I get the same result. This is all I see here. Curious.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 03 Jun 2020 at 12:09p, Avon pondered and said...

@MSGID: 21:1/101 a57ce72a
@REPLY: 48704.fsx-fsx_gen@21:1/109 233c2fe7
@TZUTC: 1200
On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT Sports and Entertainment.

I think entertainment sounds like a nice general catch all for movies, literature, music etc. I'm picking sports may be better rested in a general echo of it's own.

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Here's my reply, just quoting the one one Agency.

Checking 1/100 I see two messages looking corrupted in this echoarea... not sure what's up if it's my end of something at 1/100 ?

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On 03 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned
the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:
FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 1

...

That's all this message had - did you say something?

Yes I replied to it, can see it here at Agency I wonder if others saw my reply?

Not here. That was all I saw as well. Didn't know if it was something on this end that messed up...


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Hello Avon,

Here's my reply, just quoting the one one Agency.

This reply looks good quoting the entire message.

Checking 1/100 I see two messages looking corrupted in this
echoarea... not sure what's up if it's my end of something at 1/100 ?

I see the entire message and your reply looks good at Agency too.. I'm not sure
where or why it got changed.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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alterego wrote to All <=-

2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
The Entertainment and Sports topics are both wide enough to
deserve their own echos. The Test echo would greatly reduce

So would you consider joining Sportsnet for the General Sports
chat? I have created a general chat area (or perhaps it already
exists, dont remember now) - for that person (in addition to the
many sports specific channels based on the sport type, eg: BMX,
or the sport competion, eg: Tennis (ITF).

Yes, I would (and have) considered joining SportsNet. I think I
mentioned to you that I could provide an automated RSS feed for
daily messages to the NHL (hockey) echo.

I was ready to fire off an application to you, but then... I
thought more about the echos that were listed in the info pack,
and realized that nearly every one of them was a sport that didn't
interest me. Mostly obscure international and amateur leagues,
and most of them fed from Usenet sources. I'm quite familiar with
Usenet and the absolute *SEWER* of spam/crap that makes up most of
it's traffic.

I may still send you an application as I think about it some more.
One suggestion I would have is that there are *FAR* too many
echos, and what that causes is VERY small amounts of traffic in
all of them. I think they should be condensed down into fewer,
more generalized, areas. Just a suggestion.


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On 02 Jun 2020 at 09:09p, Black Panther pondered and said...

Not here. That was all I saw as well. Didn't know if it was something on this end that messed up...

I think it's something to do with the specific message I replied to. Perhaps I'll try again from Agency and see if it's reproducible. It seems other
replies from 1/100 via 1/100 and onwards are working fine. Hopefully this one too.

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On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

I'm just testing another reply to this but quoted a little less..

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Hello Avon,

On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature,
etc. Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly
mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

I'm just testing another reply to this but quoted a little less..

Looks OK. I'm thinking (but don't know) it had to do with the line that had FSX_ENT on it.

It's odd the message would end there without a tear or orgin line although the original looks good.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 03 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

Here's my reply, just quoting the one one Agency.

Checking 1/100 I see two messages looking corrupted in this echoarea... not sure what's up if it's my end of something at 1/100 ?

That one came through just fine...


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On 02 Jun 2020, Gamgee said the following...

I was ready to fire off an application to you, but then... I
thought more about the echos that were listed in the info pack,
and realized that nearly every one of them was a sport that didn't interest me. Mostly obscure international and amateur leagues,
and most of them fed from Usenet sources. I'm quite familiar with
Usenet and the absolute *SEWER* of spam/crap that makes up most of
it's traffic.

That is actually in the process of changing. The echos are being made more generic to each sport, instead of specific to a specific league, for example.

I've also got a few echos that are not getting feeds from usenet, but web scraping news from different websites.

I may still send you an application as I think about it some more.
One suggestion I would have is that there are *FAR* too many
echos, and what that causes is VERY small amounts of traffic in
all of them. I think they should be condensed down into fewer,
more generalized, areas. Just a suggestion.

There will probably be some condensing happening as well.


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On 03 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

I think it's something to do with the specific message I replied to. Perhaps I'll try again from Agency and see if it's reproducible. It
seems other replies from 1/100 via 1/100 and onwards are working fine. Hopefully this one too.

Perhaps Mystic doesn't want you to have an FSX_ENT message echo... ;)


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Compared to what we're kicking around I'd say those are probably more niche than I was thinking we might add at this stage. But I take your point on their interest to some and like the idea they could be
discussed in some entertainment style echo and I guess if the subject

You're right about it being more niche than many would like/use. Think I probably live in the past too much. In terms of sports...not something I participate in...since getting a home run in a baseball game off of my skull. ;) On the other hand...have been known to attend a cheap minor league
baseball game.

discussed in some entertainment style echo and I guess if the subject matter grew to such a size then they would devolve off to their own fsx echo..

You know me so well. You will never know the times I've been told to quit devolving and learn to walk on dry land to get my own bachelor pad away from Mrs. Fish. ;)

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Re: Re: General Echos
By: Gamgee to alterego on Tue Jun 02 2020 09:58 pm

I was ready to fire off an application to you, but then... I
thought more about the echos that were listed in the info pack,
and realized that nearly every one of them was a sport that didn't interest me. Mostly obscure international and amateur leagues,

So I think BP has already responded - but the network is being built. We are actually discussion in the admin echo how to evolve the net to something more useful.

For a general chat on sports - there is the general chat echo (no feeds), so you could chat about anything there.

For "specific" sports, there echos there for those, which of course you wouldnt
need to subscribe to, if the sport didnt intereset you.

I agree there were a lot, and some there were specific, and some that were feed
from usenet that had a lot of spam. Dan is feeding some usenet into some echos now - those that are known to not have spam (so hopefully the topic of the echo
is more enjoyable), and where there is no feed and/or no interest, we'll probably drop (or consolidate if that makes sense).

As I mentioned before, what I would love to see is an "FTN" that is meaningful,
not a "Zone" if that makes sense. So that you could get your feed of echomail of what you wanted and not have multiple echos of the same topic (on multiple networks as it is today...). After all, I think many of us are all on the same networks...

Hopefully I get there :)

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Avon wrote to All <=-

But your task is to keep them to 2-4 in total so you're really being
asked to try and be as catch all as you can in what you devise.

For a general sports echo, I would be all for it but you risk the expected troll wars if a soccer conversation were to be interuppted by American football fans who'd come in and talk smack about the sport. It happens all the time in normal parlance so I couldn't see an echo being immune.

On the other hand, it could turn into tons of lively debate. I could see it both ways.

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On 06-03-20 12:09, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc.
Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

FSX_ENT

SEEN-BY: 1/1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 109 110 111 112 114 115
116 117 SEEN-BY: 1/118 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131
133 134 135 136 SEEN-BY: 1/137 138 139 140 141 143 144 145 146 147 148
149 150 151 152 153 154 SEEN-BY: 1/155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163
164 165 166 167 168 169 171 172 SEEN-BY: 1/173 174 175 176 177 178 180
181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 SEEN-BY: 1/191 192 193 194 195
197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 207 208 209 210 SEEN-BY: 1/995 999
2/100 3/100 4/100 5/100

You were saying? A bunch of SEENBYs doesn't seem in context.


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On 06-03-20 15:19, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 02 Jun 2020 at 08:56p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

Entertainment has worked for mixing movies, music, literature, etc.
Sports could fit in, but would be better explicitly mnentioned in the title to encourage discussion. e.g.:

I'm just testing another reply to this but quoted a little less..

I'm not sure what everyone's smoking, but the replies to this didn't make
ense!


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Black Panther wrote to Gamgee <=-

I was ready to fire off an application to you, but then... I
thought more about the echos that were listed in the info pack,
and realized that nearly every one of them was a sport that didn't interest me. Mostly obscure international and amateur leagues,
and most of them fed from Usenet sources. I'm quite familiar with
Usenet and the absolute *SEWER* of spam/crap that makes up most of
it's traffic.

That is actually in the process of changing. The echos are being
made more generic to each sport, instead of specific to a
specific league, for example.

That's good news, thanks.

I've also got a few echos that are not getting feeds from usenet,
but web scraping news from different websites.

OK, cool. As I've said to Alterego, I can provide an RSS article
feed to the NHL (hockey) echo if desired, which I'm already doing
in FidoNet.

I'll go ahead and send in the application although probably won't
get around to it until this weekend. Thanks.


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alterego wrote to Gamgee <=-

I was ready to fire off an application to you, but then... I
thought more about the echos that were listed in the info pack,
and realized that nearly every one of them was a sport that didn't interest me. Mostly obscure international and amateur leagues,

So I think BP has already responded - but the network is being
built. We are actually discussion in the admin echo how to evolve
the net to something more useful.

Okay, that's good news.

For a general chat on sports - there is the general chat echo (no
feeds), so you could chat about anything there.

Yep, OK.

For "specific" sports, there echos there for those, which of
course you wouldnt need to subscribe to, if the sport didnt
intereset you.

Yes, understood.

I agree there were a lot, and some there were specific, and some
that were feed from usenet that had a lot of spam. Dan is feeding
some usenet into some echos now - those that are known to not
have spam (so hopefully the topic of the echo is more enjoyable),
and where there is no feed and/or no interest, we'll probably
drop (or consolidate if that makes sense).

Sounds like a good plan. I think it could definitely use some
consolidating. I'll get an application off to you in the coming
days. Thanks!


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Re: Re: General Echos
By: Gamgee to Avon on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:51 am

I think that three additional echos would be good:

1. Entertainment - for discussion about movies, music, hobbies.
2. Sports - for all types of sporting discussion.
3. Test - for the requisite and never-ending "test" messages.

I wouldn't mind an Entertainment echo.

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