On 01 Apr 2020 at 04:31p, ryan pondered and said...

I don't care about your political differences, I care about the way you insult people, and I won't stand for it. I don't care if it's me you're insulting or some other person, even if it's a person I disagree with.

You need to stop. And if someone directly insults you, flag it. Please
try to be more civil around here.

Avon, please chime in, sadly Gamgee has a habit of being rather nasty toward people and I think the network suffers because of it. He also refuses to budge.

Hi everyone. I'm going to cross-post this into a few echos to ensure
everyone has eyes on this reply.

Guys I point you to the information below in the FSXNET.TXT file in the infopack.

You would have see it when you signed up and depending on how long you have been here for, may have seen me post about it before in echomail also.

== Goals ====================================================================

- Support and create learning and experimental opportunities
- Explore and develop new and interesting methods of online communication
- Foster international friendships without borders
- Raise awareness of BBS as a hobby and communications option for
the 21st century

== Values ===================================================================

- Have fun!
- Keep it simple
- Be kind, respectful and helpful
- Reject disruptive conduct that willfully incites discord

Anyone posting in fsxNet needs to ask themselves are they doing the above a service or a disservice?

If there's stuff being posted by anyone that falls in to the latter camp and
is not in sympathy with the above then I ask you to please stop.

For the most part everyone is very good about working to these
goals/values and I thank everyone for that.

That said, I've noticed that when matters of politics (be they BBS network or country specific) are being aired... the nature of the subject lends itself
to debate.

Normally such debates can be had in a way that both sides can say
their point of view and agree to disagree without it descending into anything worse.

I say normally... but if an author can't find something nice to say and/or strays in to areas of conduct that is not kind, respectful or helpful, or conduct that is disruptive and inciting discord among others - that must stop.

I don't condone anyone calling others names or running someone else in the network down etc. and my view is that the wider community supports this stance, indeed wants it spotlighted more so during this time of additional crisis and stress that we're all going through with COIVID-19 and all the other dramas in our daily lives.

I've written in a recent post of the greater need for more kindness and understanding which in my view is even more important now than before. I just want to reiterate that point again.

I've no desire to spend my days moderating every single individual discussion in fsxNet where 'he said vs he said' dramas are being aired in ways that are contrary to the goals / values of the network.

Indeed it's been a hallmark of the network that the wider community has been good at self moderating as a group on topics/issues when they come up and folks have (for the most part) acknowledged they may have overstepped the line in the heated discussion they were involved with, and backed away and cooled off -
all good things.

I also have no strong desire to ban individuals from fsxNet but reserve the right as ZC to do so.

We're all adults and can act as such. I ask everyone reflect on the points I've made and thank you for your involvement in the network and working to keep it a fun place to engage in.

If you feel that in the coming days and weeks after I have posted this to
'All' that there are still specific issues around conduct that are just not being adhered to please those concerns in a netmail to me so I can look into
it and if need be address them.

Best, Paul.

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I feel that the stress from the lockdown is getting to those who may have already been stressed before our lives got turned upside down.

I try to take breaks from these forums and have learn to just tune out those who voice their opinions towards others.

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On 02 Apr 2020 at 12:08a, Greg Zoll pondered and said...

I feel that the stress from the lockdown is getting to those who may have already been stressed before our lives got turned upside down.

I agree. Can see that here in my country, city and workplace. :(

I try to take breaks from these forums and have learn to just tune out those who voice their opinions towards others.

Yeah if you're using Mystic or other tools you can always opt to filter then out to I guess. But I agree time away is a very good strategy and one I take from time to time too. I mean it's a hobby and no one need to loose a limb in the process :)

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In short: Don't let this become Facebook, or worse, twitter...

Allow me some self-promotion. For a while I have been running https://diaspora.conxtor.com. Diaspora* is a distributed social network, focused on decentralization and privacy. Usually discussion seems to be civilized.

-- Volker

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On 04-02-20 00:08, Greg Zoll wrote to Avon <=-

I feel that the stress from the lockdown is getting to those who may
have already been stressed before our lives got turned upside down.

Good point. :)

I try to take breaks from these forums and have learn to just tune out those who voice their opinions towards others.

Oddly enough, I seem to be nusier now than I was before all this COVID-19 stuff blew up in our faces. So I'm spread between a number of diverse activities, all in balance. :)


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Greg Zoll wrote to Avon <=-

I feel that the stress from the lockdown is getting to those who may
have already been stressed before our lives got turned upside down.

We also need to remember that some folks, like our US West Coast sysops,
may have been on lock down long before others of us were. We are not completely locked down yet here, but I think it is coming, especially with surrounding states seemingly spiking a lot higher than we appear to be. If
we travel out of state, or someone from out of state travels in to see us,
we have been asked to quarantine for 14 days.


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Re: Re: Conduct
By: Blue White to Greg Zoll on Thu Apr 02 2020 06:05 pm

We also need to remember that some folks, like our US West Coast sysops, may have been on lock down long before others of us were.

Santa Clara County, where I work, was one of the first locations in the US with
cases. We started sheltering in place on March 19th. We're now being told to shelter in place until May 3, and our school districts have officially called it a year.
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Santa Clara County, where I work, was one of the first locations in the
US with cases. We started sheltering in place on March 19th. We're now being told to shelter in place until May 3, and our school districts
have officially called it a year.

Santa Clara County is where I live. I also had surgery on Feb 25th and have been home since. I'm getting a bit stir crazy.

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Vk3jed wrote to Greg Zoll <=-

Oddly enough, I seem to be nusier now than I was before all this
COVID-19 stuff blew up in our faces. So I'm spread between a number of diverse activities, all in balance. :)

I thought I'd have more time for actual work since I'm not commuting;
instead I've added the following responsibilities:

Kid's remote education and spousal IT support
Math and history tutoring and lesson checking
webcam and microphone driver updates
Video conferencing concierge (zoom dates have replaced kid's play dates) Network administration and monitoring
Print support
Shopping for at-risk friends and family
Continually checking the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 web site

Suddenly, sitting in a car listening to podcasts for 45 minutes doesn't
sound like such a bad deal.



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ryan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Santa Clara County is where I live. I also had surgery on Feb 25th and have been home since. I'm getting a bit stir crazy.

I have a dog, which is an automatic pass for exercise out in the open, as
long as you're not bunched together. Walking him 2x a day helps with the
lack of movement.

There's a lot of yardwork to catch up on; I weeded two patches that had
gotten overgrown over the winter, cleaned up the patio area so I can work outside when the weather permits, and I'm finally going to run some CAT6
cable under the house to my office.

I'm hoping the trees fill out qauickly on one side of the house, my neighbor has apparently taken up naked back yard yoga as a hobby now.

The beaches are open, the rangers are discouraging people from going and staying in one place, but if you're out for a walk along the beach they've been OK with it up until now.



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I have a dog, which is an automatic pass for exercise out in the open,
as long as you're not bunched together. Walking him 2x a day helps with the lack of movement.

I've been going for bike rides...nobody has said anything to me yet :P

We also use the dogs as an excuse to take long walks haha.

There's a lot of yardwork to catch up on; I weeded two patches that had gotten overgrown over the winter, cleaned up the patio area so I can
work outside when the weather permits, and I'm finally going to run some CAT6 cable under the house to my office.

You have a yard?! Are you rich?!?!

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Re: Re: Conduct
By: ryan to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:04 pm

You have a yard?! Are you rich?!?!

No, I just moved out of the bay area. :)

My wife and I moved to the coast in 2015, and we figured we'd spent half of what we would have needed to spend on the peninsula.
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On 04-02-20 09:29, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Vk3jed wrote to Greg Zoll <=-

Oddly enough, I seem to be nusier now than I was before all this
COVID-19 stuff blew up in our faces. So I'm spread between a number of diverse activities, all in balance. :)

I thought I'd have more time for actual work since I'm not commuting; instead I've added the following responsibilities:

Kid's remote education and spousal IT support
Math and history tutoring and lesson checking
webcam and microphone driver updates
Video conferencing concierge (zoom dates have replaced kid's play
dates) Network administration and monitoring
Print support
Shopping for at-risk friends and family
Continually checking the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 web site

I don't have kids, so some of those don't apply, but here's my list:

Ham radio nets (social contact)
Rebuild the shack and fix issues
Expand functionality
Catch up on old projects
Attend webinars
Install and test videoconferencing software
Extend wifi to better cover the backyard
Sort networking issues - I have a fairly complex setup here, and discovered a major issue yesterday by chance.

I still have some online web training for firefighting to do, but am struggling to find an uninterrupted block of 2 hours for any of the courses, and I don't like video dominant courses either, I find them tedious, because I take information at radically different rates to what video gives - usually many times faster, but occasionally a lot slower. I much prefer to read (and where possible, do), if learning by distance.

And of course, I'm still doing all my track training and runs, albeit in modified forms. I have 2 virtual races today - a 5k this morning, and a short one in the afternoon, to replace the normal winter routine of Parkrun in the morning and a 1k cross country in the afternoon. ;)

Suddenly, sitting in a car listening to podcasts for 45 minutes doesn't sound like such a bad deal.

Looks like neither of us are going to suffer boredom during this shutdown! :D

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Turns out it was, but it was only proved by several inquiries after spending a few years in chroot jail. ;)


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On 04-03-20 09:26, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ryan <=-

I have a dog, which is an automatic pass for exercise out in the open,
as long as you're not bunched together. Walking him 2x a day helps with the lack of movement.

We are allowed to exercise here, provided we stay away from others.

There's a lot of yardwork to catch up on; I weeded two patches that had gotten overgrown over the winter, cleaned up the patio area so I can
work outside when the weather permits, and I'm finally going to run
some CAT6 cable under the house to my office.

Starting to have an issue with the weather. We've just gone into a wetter than average period, which is likely to last more than 3 months. Bad timing!

The beaches are open, the rangers are discouraging people from going
and staying in one place, but if you're out for a walk along the beach they've been OK with it up until now.

A lot of beaches have been closed on the coast, because people were doing the wrong thing and congregating there.


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On 04-03-20 12:04, ryan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I've been going for bike rides...nobody has said anything to me yet :P

I don't see a problem, provided you steer clear of other people - don't ride in packs. :)


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-

We also need to remember that some folks, like our US West Coast sysops, may have been on lock down long before others of us were.

Santa Clara County, where I work, was one of the first locations in the
US with
cases. We started sheltering in place on March 19th. We're now being
told to shelter in place until May 3, and our school districts have officially called it a year.

hmmm, well, in that case, I might be wrong. They started closing things
here on March 17th and started asking anyone who could to stay out of
public areas and crowds. In some parts of the state, it is considered something like "disturbing the peace" (but not exactly that) to leave your
home county and then come back... maybe "obstructing justice." That is in
some of the border areas.

Schools here are out until May and I seriously doubt they are going back.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Kid's remote education and spousal IT support
Math and history tutoring and lesson checking
webcam and microphone driver updates
Video conferencing concierge (zoom dates have replaced kid's play
dates) Network administration and monitoring
Print support
Shopping for at-risk friends and family
Continually checking the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 web site

I don't have any responsibilities like those (no kids!), but I can also
confirm that the loss of my commute does not seem to have bought me a bunch
of time for other things. Part of that reason might be that the
coronavirus is giving me some OT helping to test system changes that had to
be made for it, but that is not all of it. The work days fly by much
quicker, but so do a lot of the evenings after work.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ryan <=-

ryan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I'm hoping the trees fill out qauickly on one side of the house, my neighbor has apparently taken up naked back yard yoga as a hobby now.

:O Guessing it is not an attractive she neighbor then? :) That kind of activity would draw the attention of the Law in my area.



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Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

:O Guessing it is not an attractive she neighbor then? :) That
kind of activity would draw the attention of the Law in my area.

Nope, and he's relatively secluded, you could only see him from his
immediate neighbors.


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have been home since. I'm getting a bit stir crazy.

Sounds like you need me to come over in the chicken suit to give you encouragement. ;D

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In short: Don't let this become Facebook, or worse, twitter...

Allow me some self-promotion. For a while I have been running https://diaspora.conxtor.com. Diaspora* is a distributed social
network,
focused on decentralization and privacy. Usually discussion seems to
be
civilized.

Interesting - I heard Diaspora was a bit on the ropes but it's great it's still
going strong. Maybe I should fire up my own instance too.


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Interesting - I heard Diaspora was a bit on the ropes but it's great
it's still going strong. Maybe I should fire up my own instance too.

Yeah, I was a big fan when Diaspora was crowdfunded about a decade ago. After its co-founder committed suicide, I thought it went away (not to mentioned it was apparently being used by ISIS after its members were booted off
other social networks), but according to Wikipedia it's still getting
utilized. I'm going to give it another look! Valiant attempt at decentralization and taking back control of social nets/personal information.

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Yeah, I was a big fan when Diaspora was crowdfunded about a decade ago. After its co-founder committed suicide, I thought it went away [...]

No, it's alive and well, mainly civilized talk, some major rewriting took
place moving from Mongodb to PostgreSQL. Not extremely crowded, but sort of cozy place. May not be to the taste of some with more conservative thinking,
as a of the guys on there are at least a bit politically "left". Don't feed them, particularly after midnight and you'll be fine. :-D

Volker
http, telnet, ssh://conxtor.bbs.nz, http://bbs.conxtor.com
fsxNet and DOVE-Net

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