• Market Profiteering

    From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Monday, March 23, 2020 20:30:00
    making their gains from the pain/death of others doing this. One way
    I see it happening is to take their gains/way to get more gains
    away from them. Another way was done in 1789/1917-18.

    Well thats all to true, your current wealth holders aren't just going to give it away. But at the same time some won't be in a position to make the most of whatever is left. In the weeks after the GFC I went out and bought some shares
    in a company I was familiar with that had dropped to ~1/3 of their normal price, that got me into a home when the pricing came back only 6-9 months later. If you can stay somewhat cashed up, if you get cash from the government
    they obviously want you to spend it, but try and stay somewhat liquid as well.
    You'll be in a position to try and buy into whatever is available as the economy comes back to life.

    Spec


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Monday, March 23, 2020 23:33:09
    came back only 6-9 months later. If you can stay somewhat cashed up, if you get cash from the government they obviously want you to spend it,
    but try and stay somewhat liquid as well. You'll be in a position to try and buy into whatever is available as the economy comes back to life.

    That is the hard part. If you can keep your job during something like this & save...you should be in good shape when it comes out the other end.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 23:07:00
    That is the hard part. If you can keep your job during something
    like this & save...you should be in good shape when it comes out the
    other end.

    Yup, look I'm in a lucky and good position. My rent is pretty low all things considered, my Disability Pension covers it and allows me to be perfectly comfortable. Some might find it a bit spartan but thats not the point. I still have some of my insurance payout and SuperAnnuation left too.. so whatever extra our government hands out, as much as practicable will sit in the
    account, or if they're desperate help out close family.

    You probably don't need to try and save a lot, to be in a position to buy into something on the far side. Asset prices are and will continue to fall through the floor. We're also anticipating something like a 20% drop in real estate too. That'll hurt us badly on the other side. Its about the only thing that really drives the domestic Australian economy. When housing coughs, as they say our economy gets a cold.

    Spec


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:40:16
    like this & save...you should be in good shape when it comes out the other end.
    Yup, look I'm in a lucky and good position. My rent is pretty low all things considered, my Disability Pension covers it and allows me to be perfectly comfortable. Some might find it a bit spartan but thats not
    the point. I still have some of my insurance payout and SuperAnnuation

    Functional/spartan...works for me as well. I spend most of my time in my bedroom...so I have an old couch in the living room with a projector with a Roku hooked into it. With my roommate...averaged out electric bill & DSL internet...end up paying around $500-550 a month for each of us.

    to fall through the floor. We're also anticipating something like a 20% drop in real estate too. That'll hurt us badly on the other side. Its about the only thing that really drives the domestic Australian economy. When housing coughs, as they say our economy gets a cold.

    Used to work for a company as a contractor where we mowed yards for
    foreclosed homes. The banks figured out it was cheaper to pay us to keep the lawn mowed every couple of weeks than pay fines to the cities for over grown properties.

    One thing which struck me as strange at the time was the banks were doing nothing to sell the properties. They hung onto them to attempt to sell them when the price shot up. Problem is in many of these places here...they were never going to get anything close to what they wanted. The businesses which were there previously left & were never coming back.

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  • From HSM@21:2/162 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 18:58:22
    On 24 Mar 2020, Phoobar said the following...
    Used to work for a company as a contractor where we mowed yards for foreclosed homes. The banks figured out it was cheaper to pay us to keep the lawn mowed every couple of weeks than pay fines to the cities for
    over grown properties.

    One thing which struck me as strange at the time was the banks were doing nothing to sell the properties. They hung onto them to attempt to sell them when the price shot up. Problem is in many of these places here...they were never going to get anything close to what they wanted. The businesses which were there previously left & were never coming
    back.

    I used to work for a Bank in America doing mortgage work. After they foreclosed on the loan they just let the "owner" keep living there. They
    would try to sell but never accepted the low bids and bought it back.

    I talked to one customer who continued to live in the house 5 years plus
    after it was foreclosed on. He was actually doing home improvement projects
    on the place. I asked him why and he said he was living there free, bank paying the taxes and he didn't expect them to evict him any time soon. He
    was probably right.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 09:27:00
    One thing which struck me as strange at the time was the banks were
    doing nothing to sell the properties. They hung onto them to attempt
    to sell them when the price shot up. Problem is in many of these
    places here...they were never going to get anything close to what
    they wanted. The businesses which were there previously left & were
    never coming back.

    If banks are having to foreclose on property the last thing they'll do is try to sell them into a depressed market. At the end of the day like everyone else
    they're trying to recover whatever they can from what they've been able to salvage.

    Its cheaper for them to leave the asset on the books and wait for some value to return to it. May not be 100% but they'll have a target percentage they need
    to get out of real estate assets as a whole, some might be cheaper some will be more expensive.

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to HSM on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 20:18:00
    Hello Hsm!

    ** 24.03.20 - 18:58, HSM wrote to Phoobar:

    I used to work for a Bank in America doing mortgage work. After they
    foreclosed on the loan they just let the "owner" keep living there. They
    would try to sell but never accepted the low bids and bought it back.

    I talked to one customer who continued to live in the house 5 years plus
    after it was foreclosed on. He was actually doing home improvement
    projects on the place. I asked him why and he said he was living there
    free, bank paying the taxes and he didn't expect them to evict him any time
    soon. He was probably right.

    I believe how it works is this.. on a foreclosure, the bank is only
    entitled to collect the balance of the mortgage owing to them. The
    previous owner gets the difference (market value, less mortage). So, if
    the bank is allowing him to live there, it is probably wise to renovate inorder to increase its potential value.



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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to HSM on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 17:46:05
    I used to work for a Bank in America doing mortgage work. After they foreclosed on the loan they just let the "owner" keep living there. They would try to sell but never accepted the low bids and bought it back.

    Being Idaho...never saw anyone living in the homes. Not sure if Wells Fargo would allow this...but know WF would rather pay us than the fines.

    I talked to one customer who continued to live in the house 5 years plus after it was foreclosed on. He was actually doing home improvement projects on the place. I asked him why and he said he was living there free, bank paying the taxes and he didn't expect them to evict him any time soon. He was probably right.

    Wells Fargo is the exact opposite on my former residence I rented in Colorado Springs. They were not going to allow this to happen for anyone. Former landlord died of a heart attack & had $8K behind on the mortgage. We
    attempted to offer them several hundred a month...but wanted all the money
    from the past & quite a bit against the future just in case it happened again.

    Had to call the lawyer more than once when WF attempted to take possession without proper authorization. They thought just showing us ID & threatening us was enough to get us out of there. WF sux & would love to see them go out of business. Matter of fact...the 401K at work is thru them & I refuse to throw
    my money away on them to steal it soon when stuff goes belly up. I trust more of being put in a prison with bending over for the soap than trusting these bastards with anything but my feces.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 17:48:32
    Its cheaper for them to leave the asset on the books and wait for some value to return to it. May not be 100% but they'll have a target percentage they need to get out of real estate assets as a whole, some might be cheaper some will be more expensive.

    Oh yeah...but with some of these rural places...don't see any type of value coming back...even to the point it was 20-30 years ago.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 21:16:00
    Phoobar wrote to HSM <=-

    Had to call the lawyer more than once when WF attempted to take
    possession without proper authorization. They thought just
    showing us ID & threatening us was enough to get us out of there.
    WF sux & would love to see them go out of business. Matter of
    fact...the 401K at work is thru them & I refuse to throw my money
    away on them to steal it soon when stuff goes belly up.

    Yeah, great move. Refuse to contribute to your 401K - that'll
    show them!

    Do you actually think Wells Fargo is going to go "belly up" and
    "steal" your money? Seriously?

    Do you ever wonder why you're nearly 60 years old, (claim to) have
    two college degrees, and yet..... work as a stockboy in retail for
    (probably) close to minimum wage?

    I'm sure it's because you've been "screwed over" so many times.
    Nothing that was your fault, of course.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 13:14:00
    Oh yeah...but with some of these rural places...don't see any type
    of value coming back...even to the point it was 20-30 years ago.

    Ahhh shrug, maybe they're hoping to subdivide it? :) No real idea...

    Spec


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 20:58:13
    Oh yeah...but with some of these rural places...don't see any type
    of value coming back...even to the point it was 20-30 years ago.
    Ahhh shrug, maybe they're hoping to subdivide it? :) No real idea...

    Not even that. Here in the States...they have a lot of rural places which are dead...but haven't buried the body yet. Best song about this is from The Boss from the mid-'80's...My Hometown.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gamgee on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 21:08:58
    Yeah, great move. Refuse to contribute to your 401K - that'll
    show them!

    <snip>

    Dude, there's nothing in your post that isn't insulting. If all you have to contribute is stuff like this, perhaps you should move along and go hang
    around somewhere else.

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 00:42:24
    Dude, there's nothing in your post that isn't insulting. If all you have to contribute is stuff like this, perhaps you should move along and go hang around somewhere else.

    The stupid dumbass political bullshit that people are polluting fsxNet with
    is turning this place into Fidonet. You should know by now that it is impossible to argue with people on the right. They use the stupidest of arguments. It is best just to completely ignore them so they can yell into an empty chamber and move on.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 08:51:00
    Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-

    to fall through the floor. We're also anticipating something like a
    20% drop in real estate too. That'll hurt us badly on the other side.

    That's going to be another wakeup call. In 2008 it was all about sub-prime lending and CDOs going sideways. Now around here, it's going to be about people who bought at inflated prices walking away from adjustable rate mortgages and homes bought at the top of the bubble now being 20%
    underwater.

    I wonder if lenders are going to start calling in principal, when the market value of a house is significantly less than the mortgage balance?

    Aside: Facebook's median income is over $240,000/year - 3 times the average
    at PayPal and $40,000 more than an employee at Alphabet. And those numbers
    are massively inflated over the rest of Silicon Valley tech and non-
    technical jobs.



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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 22:20:16
    Aside: Facebook's median income is over $240,000/year - 3 times the average at PayPal and $40,000 more than an employee at Alphabet. And
    those numbers are massively inflated over the rest of Silicon Valley
    tech and non- technical jobs.

    Can confirm that Facebook pays well. My girlfriend works there, I do not. :P

    Even still, it's not enough to afford a home around here.

    And we're dual income no kids...

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to All on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 15:55:33
    Dude, there's nothing in your post that isn't insulting. If
    all you have to contribute is stuff like this, perhaps you
    should move along and go hang around somewhere else.

    The stupid dumbass political bullshit that people are polluting
    fsxNet with is turning this place into Fidonet. You should know by
    now that it is impossible to argue with people on the right. They
    use the stupidest of arguments. It is best just to completely
    ignore them so they can yell into an empty chamber and move on.

    Yes, it's probably best to ignore politics regardless of your position
    on the political spectrum, especially at times like these where people
    are angry and scared with what's going on.

    The saying, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all"
    is probably better. While some might say I'm a leftie snowflake or
    whatever the cool insult is now, lets just escape here. There's enough
    politics on the news, on the face book, and everywhere else.

    This should be a common ground, one where we discuss retro things like
    BBSing, and both sides can come together under that flag.

    I don't think it's just the right wing people that need to calm down, I
    think if everyone steps back and thinks about their language, such as
    nutjobs was one I saw, even when you're using it to refer to a
    hypothetical group, people will infer insult because they identify with
    that group.

    The best way is to avoid politics altogether, but if you must talk
    politics, debate topics rather than insulting people for there opinions
    on topics.

    Anyway, hope this message finds everyone safe and well.

    Andrew

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 08:10:00
    ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yeah, great move. Refuse to contribute to your 401K - that'll
    show them!

    Dude, there's nothing in your post that isn't insulting. If all
    you have to contribute is stuff like this, perhaps you should
    move along and go hang around somewhere else.

    Wasn't it you that was just the other day telling me to "have a
    thicker skin"?

    Perhaps you should take your own advice, or move along yourself.


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gamgee on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 09:26:15
    Wasn't it you that was just the other day telling me to "have a
    thicker skin"?

    Yep, but you were reacting to things people said that you didn't agree with, not personal insults.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:58:00
    ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Wasn't it you that was just the other day telling me to "have a
    thicker skin"?

    Yep, but you were reacting to things people said that you didn't
    agree with, not personal insults.

    Yep, and those things were said to *ME*. What you're talking
    about now are things that weren't even said to you. Mind your own
    business and go to the next message, how about that?



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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to Gamgee on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 13:22:54
    Yep, and those things were said to *ME*. What you're talking
    about now are things that weren't even said to you. Mind your own business and go to the next message, how about that?

    You should also take your own advice.

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  • From Embalmed@21:4/166 to Gamgee on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:44:59
    I'm sure it's because you've been "screwed over" so many times.
    Nothing that was your fault, of course.

    Enough with the personal attacks, welcome to the twitlist.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gamgee on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:41:44
    Yep, and those things were said to *ME*. What you're talking
    about now are things that weren't even said to you. Mind your own business and go to the next message, how about that?

    Nobody insulted you, people talked about things that they disagreed with regarding US policy, and you decided to get ruffled feathers about that.

    fsxNet policies are available at https://bbs.nz/#fsxNet - willfully inciting discord (i.e., directly insulting people) isn't something that's tolerated here.

    I think you should leave. I wonder if Avon agrees.

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  • From Gryphon@21:1/120 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:49:24
    On 24 Mar 2020 &4, ryan said the following...

    Aside: Facebook's median income is over $240,000/year - 3 times the average at PayPal and $40,000 more than an employee at Alphabet. And those numbers are massively inflated over the rest of Silicon Valley tech and non- technical jobs.

    Can confirm that Facebook pays well. My girlfriend works there, I do
    not. :P

    Even still, it's not enough to afford a home around here.

    And we're dual income no kids...

    I worked as a contractor at Cisco in San Jose with no health insurance. It
    was good pay, but I had to pay $1400/mo to Kaiser for my own insurance. I
    got the high rate because I've had some health issues. The cheapest place my wife and could find was $2800 for a 2/2 apartment in Campbell.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gryphon on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:53:01
    I worked as a contractor at Cisco in San Jose with no health insurance.
    It was good pay, but I had to pay $1400/mo to Kaiser for my own
    insurance. I got the high rate because I've had some health issues. The cheapest place my wife and could find was $2800 for a 2/2 apartment in Campbell.

    Yikes. Hope all's ok with the health stuff.

    We are in a 1BR and it's $4500/month. That includes nothing, not even a
    parking spot. BUT...I can walk to work and don't need to own a car, which probably saves upwards of a grand a month (when you factor insurance, taxes, car payment, gas, maintenance). Even still, $4500 a month sucks.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 14:04:51
    That's going to be another wakeup call. In 2008 it was all about
    sub-prime lending and CDOs going sideways. Now around here, it's going
    to be about people who bought at inflated prices walking away from adjustable rate mortgages and homes bought at the top of the bubble now being 20% underwater.

    You gotta be kidding me. The assholes never learned in the past. Remember
    this garbage happening back in the 70-80's & now the same BS going on with idiots just as stupid as when I was a teenager. Of course the banks won't
    allow anything to stop it from being put into law or regs...but more of the blame goes to the idiots from never having learned from the past.

    I wonder if lenders are going to start calling in principal, when the market value of a house is significantly less than the mortgage balance?

    Please...please...please let it happen! I see it all the time in my job where people are spending tons of money to do home improvement. Mentioned it to my boss the other day that are they still going to be the same idiots when the lenders start doing this? Add onto that all the elderly I see doing the same thing.

    I could say much...much more about it...but I think I made my point. Sorry if
    I sound so callous...but when will people learn that just because things are okay today...doesn't mean it will be in the future.

    Aside: Facebook's median income is over $240,000/year - 3 times the average at PayPal and $40,000 more than an employee at Alphabet. And
    those numbers are massively inflated over the rest of Silicon Valley
    tech and non- technical jobs.

    Used to be on Facebook...but am here instead. When the sky does fall...hope these folks learn the phrase...Ya Want Fries With That? Also don't want to
    hear from them about these jobs they used to have & how much they used to
    make.

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 17:13:20
    We are in a 1BR and it's $4500/month. That includes nothing, not even a parking spot. BUT...I can walk to work and don't need to own a car, which probably saves upwards of a grand a month (when you factor insurance, taxes, car payment, gas, maintenance). Even still, $4500 a month sucks.

    WTF, $4500. That is crazy. 2 bedroom penthouses are going for $3500 and that
    is Canadian here in Toronto.

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  • From gallaxial@21:1/129 to Gryphon on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 19:42:46
    I worked as a contractor at Cisco in San Jose with no health insurance.
    It was good pay, but I had to pay $1400/mo to Kaiser for my own
    insurance. I got the high rate because I've had some health issues. The cheapest place my wife and could find was $2800 for a 2/2 apartment in Campbell.

    I live in Montreal,Quebec,Canada, $2800 for a Appart ?? (what is 2/2)
    Lot of money !!
    I pay $1039 for 4-1/2 Appartment With Electricity/Heat include the Garage

    4 = 4 apart + 1/2=Bathroom

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Thursday, March 26, 2020 21:09:00
    On 03-25-20 12:53, ryan wrote to Gryphon <=-

    We are in a 1BR and it's $4500/month. That includes nothing, not even a parking spot. BUT...I can walk to work and don't need to own a car,
    which probably saves upwards of a grand a month (when you factor insurance, taxes, car payment, gas, maintenance). Even still, $4500 a month sucks.

    Ouch!!!!!

    That's over 4 times what we pay for rent on a 2 bedroom house on a standard block. And that's not even allowing for the exchange rate. If we take the current exchange rate into account, that figure goes up to 6-7x our rent.

    A car here probably costs $2-3k/year on average, not allowing for depreciation.
    Registration is around $700-$800/year, but that includes compulsory third party death and injury insurance. The rest is normal servicing and the occasional repair averaged over time - for example, I've spent around $3k in mechanical work last year, but a large part of that was routine, but infrequent maintenance like the timing belt. I did have one unexpected repair, which was the clutch slave cylinder, but that was only around $200.

    Fuel, of course, is additional and depends on distance driven for the year. And that can be worked out. At an average of around 8 litres/100km, and around 10000km/year, that's about 800 litres of fuel, or another $1100 - $1200 in rough figures.

    Still cheaper overall than that $4500/month rent! Ouch! one month of your rent could run my car and keep it on the road for a year. :)


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  • From Gryphon@21:1/120 to ryan on Friday, March 27, 2020 07:48:38
    On 25 Mar 2020 &4, ryan said the following...

    I worked as a contractor at Cisco in San Jose with no health insuranc It was good pay, but I had to pay $1400/mo to Kaiser for my own insurance. I got the high rate because I've had some health issues. T cheapest place my wife and could find was $2800 for a 2/2 apartment i Campbell.

    Yikes. Hope all's ok with the health stuff.

    We are in a 1BR and it's $4500/month. That includes nothing, not even a parking spot. BUT...I can walk to work and don't need to own a car, which probably saves upwards of a grand a month (when you factor insurance, taxes, car payment, gas, maintenance). Even still, $4500 a month sucks.

    Which city is that in exactly?
    Walking to work would be great. I was up for a Linux admin role at a place called AdultFriendFinder in Campbell. If I had gotten the job, I could have walked to work each day. It was a mile away from my apartment.

    I'm no longer in CA tho. About 4 months ago, I got a job in Texas, in a town that is a few miles north of Austin. I bought a house in some farming country and my mortgage is only $950/mo. I have to commute 15 miles to my linux admin job in an energy company tho. But its a FTE job with full benefits, and PTO.
    I only took a $10K cut in pay, but with the paid INSURANCE, that's less than
    I was paying as a cisco contractor.

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  • From Gryphon@21:1/120 to gallaxial on Friday, March 27, 2020 07:52:34
    On 25 Mar 2020 &4, gallaxial said the following...

    I worked as a contractor at Cisco in San Jose with no health insuranc It was good pay, but I had to pay $1400/mo to Kaiser for my own insurance. I got the high rate because I've had some health issues. T cheapest place my wife and could find was $2800 for a 2/2 apartment i Campbell.

    I live in Montreal,Quebec,Canada, $2800 for a Appart ?? (what is 2/2)
    Lot of money !!
    I pay $1039 for 4-1/2 Appartment With Electricity/Heat include the Garage

    2/2 refers to 2 bedrooms, and 2 bathrooms.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gryphon on Friday, March 27, 2020 08:31:32
    Which city is that in exactly?

    Palo Alto, California.

    Walking to work would be great. I was up for a Linux admin role at a
    place called AdultFriendFinder in Campbell. If I had gotten the job, I could have walked to work each day. It was a mile away from my apartment.

    Walking to work is fantastic. I love not needing a car.

    I'm no longer in CA tho. About 4 months ago, I got a job in Texas, in a town that is a few miles north of Austin. I bought a house in some
    farming country and my mortgage is only $950/mo. I have to commute 15 miles to my linux admin job in an energy company tho. But its a FTE job with full benefits, and PTO. I only took a $10K cut in pay, but with the paid INSURANCE, that's less than I was paying as a cisco contractor.

    Texas is pretty cool in a lot of ways, too. Better food and music scenes,
    cool cities with tons of character, no state income tax, reasonable cost of living. Congrats, man.

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  • From -= Havok =-@21:4/10 to Embalmed on Saturday, March 28, 2020 15:23:00
    Re: Re: Market Profiteering
    By: Embalmed to Gamgee on Wed Mar 25 2020 10:44 am


    Enough with the personal attacks, welcome to the twitlist.

    Laughing....

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