• COViD-19 dates & issues, geared towards U.S.

    From mastermind@21:1/101 to All on Saturday, March 21, 2020 02:39:16
    I've been doing some research and have begun to compile a dates.txt... theres some interesting info in what i've already entered... mainly that we fucking knew for MONTHS - i cant believe; or moreso, i THOUGHT that our America was much more thorough than getting us into this mess... i hope ya'll dig the
    info:

    COViD-19 Dates
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    xx.xx.1970 Coronaviruses recognized as causing pathological conditions in veterinary medicine since the early 1970s.
    xx.xx.2003 - SARS Coronavirus (SARS-CoV) kills 774 and is the causative agent for SARS. 8,000 infected with a 10% death rate.
    xx.xx.2012 - New type of Coronavirus officially named Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) kills over 400.
    xx.xx.2015 - Another outbreak of MERS-CoV kills 36.
    xx.xx.2018 - Another outbreak of MERS-CoV kills 41.
    12.1.2019 - First case of SARS-CoV-2 (Coronavirus) in Wuhan, China.
    12.30.2019 - Doctor Li Wenlaing warns colleagues about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembles SARS, later acknowledged as COViD-19 using WeChat. 12.31.2019 - 29 confirmed cases of COViD-19 Coronavirus in mainland China 01.03.2020 - Wuhan police summon and admonish Doctor Li Wenlaing for "making false comments on the internet".
    01.07.2020 - Doctor Li Wenlaing contracts Coronavirus from an infected
    patient.
    01.08.2020 - Scientists in China announce the discovery of a novel
    Coronavirus.
    01.10.2020 - The gene sequencing data of the isolated 2019-nCoV, a virus from the same family as the SARS coronavirus, was posted on Virological.org by researchers from Fudan University, Shanghai.
    01.12.2020 - Chinese state broadcaster reports "a new viral outbreak that was first detected in the city of Wuhan, China on 12/12/2019".
    01.13.2020 - First confirmed case of COViD-19 outside of China; in Thailand. The USCDC announced that the genome for COViD-19 had been posted on the NIH genetic sequence database, GenBank.
    01.14.2020 - Two of the 41 confirmed cases in Wuhan were reported to include
    a married couple, raising the possibility of human-to-human transmission. 01.15.2020 - Second death occurred in a 69 year old man, from COViD-19. 01.20.2020 - Scientists from the China CDC identified three different strains of the 2019-nCoV confirming that the original Wuhan Coronavirus has mutated into two additional strains.
    01.21.2020 - United States reported its first labratory-confirmed case of COViD-19 in the state of Washington.
    WHO Situation Report 1
    01.25.2020 - Chinese Communist Party general secretary Xi Jinping called the "accelerating spread" of the Coronavirus a "grave situation" and that it was mutating.
    01.26.2020 - United States confirms third, fourth and fifth cases: two in California and one in Arizona. COViD-19 has spread to multiple states in the U.S.
    01.27.2020 - Canada reports first confirmed case and another presumptive case. 01.28.2020 - China's Supreme People's Court ruled that whistleblower, Li Wenliang, has not comitted the crime of spreading "rumors".
    01.29.2020 - Companies in Hubei are required not to resume services before 02/13/2020, and schools in Hubei are to remain closed.
    01.30.2020 - WHO director-general declares the Coronavirus outbreak a "Public Health Emergency of International Concern" (PHEIC).
    The U.S. State Department issued an updated travel advisory as "Level 4: Do
    Not Travel to China.", "Those currently in China should consider departing"
    and that "Travelers should be prepared for travel restrictions to be put into effect with little or no advance notice.".
    01.31.2020 - The United States government declares a Public Health Emergency due to the Coronavirus.
    United Kingdom, Russia, Sweden and Spain confirm their first COViD-19 infections.
    02.07.2020 - Doctor Li Wenlaing, 33, dies from Coronavirus.
    02.11.2020 - WHO gives the disease the new name COViD-19. Additionally, the virus itself is named SARS-CoV-2.
    02.29.2020 - First death from Coronavirus in the United States of America 03.01.2020 - Second death from Coronavirus in the United States of America 03.02.2020 - The United States confirmed 13 more cases, bringing the total number to 102. Five more deaths were also confirmed, bringing the total
    number to 6 deaths.
    Several schools were closed in the state of Washington due to the rise of Coronavirus cases.
    03.03.2020 - The United States confirmed 3 more deaths, bringing the total to 9. Total cases at 126, increasing by 24 in one day.
    03.04.2020 - The United States confirmed 2 more deaths, bringing the total to 11. The county confirmed 33 new cases, bringing the total number to 159. 03.05.2020 - The United States confirumed 1 more death, bringing the total to 12. Total number of cases soars to 228.
    03.06.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 17, total cases reach 332. Several events in the United States were cancelled. Austin, TXs SXSW.
    Seattle, WAs ComicCon. DC Comics cancels all March convention events. 03.07.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 19, total cases reach 444. 03.08.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 21, total cases reach 564. Italy places more than 16 million people under quarantine.
    03.09.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 26, total cases reach 717. 03.10.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 31, total cases reach 1000. 03.11.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 38, total cases reach 1272. U.S. President Donald Trump announces that all travel from Europe (Except UK) into the United States will be suspended for 30 days.
    The NBA suspends the entire basketball season after two players, Utah Jazz's Rudy Gobert & Donovan Mitchell, were diagnosed with the illness.
    03.12.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 41, total cases reach 1645. Stock markets worldwide suffer greatest single-day fall since 1987.
    National Hockey League, Major League Soccer, Major League Baseball and the Professional Golfers' Association all cancel seasons events.
    The World Health Organization says that the COViD-19 pandemic can be
    controlled as long as countries take the pandemic seriously.
    03.13.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 49, total cases reach 2024. U.S. President Donald Trump declared a national state of emergency,
    allocating $50Billion of U.S. federal government money for relief efforts. 03.14.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 60, total cases reach 2816. U.S. President Donald Trump tests negative for COViD-19.
    03.15.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 65, total cases reach 3485. 03.16.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 87, total cases reach 4459. 03.17.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 112, total cases reach 6135. 03.18.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 149, total cases reach 8736. 03.19.2020 - The United States death toll reaches 195, total cases reach
    13133.
    The State of California issues an Order of the State Public Health Officer
    for all residents of California to shelter in place.
    The Denver Nuggets, Los Angeles Lakers, Philidelphia 76ers and the Boston Celtics all reported some of their players had tested positive for the virus. They were unnamed.
    -------------------------------- GOD HELP US!!! ------------------------------

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to mastermind on Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:47:07
    mastermind wrote to All <=-

    I've been doing some research and have begun to compile a dates.txt... theres some interesting info in what i've already entered... mainly
    that we fucking knew for MONTHS - i cant believe; or moreso, i THOUGHT that our America was much more thorough than getting us into this
    mess... i hope ya'll dig the info:

    What you have proved is that "we" knew it if we are Chinese officials. Otherwise, most of "we" did not know for about 6 weeks. Looks like The
    US and Canada started reacting once it started spreading in North America.

    One things missing from your dates... I have read an article or two where
    it is believed that the first case in China was actually in early/mid
    November. If I find it again I shall share it.


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Blue White on Saturday, March 21, 2020 21:02:13
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:47:07 -0400
    "Blue White -> mastermind" <0@134.4.21> wrote:

    mastermind wrote to All <=-

    I've been doing some research and have begun to compile a
    dates.txt... theres some interesting info in what i've already
    entered... mainly that we fucking knew for MONTHS - i cant
    believe; or moreso, i THOUGHT that our America was much more
    thorough than getting us into this mess... i hope ya'll dig the
    info:

    What you have proved is that "we" knew it if we are Chinese officials. Otherwise, most of "we" did not know for about 6 weeks. Looks like
    The US and Canada started reacting once it started spreading in North America.

    When the US became aware that it was spreading there were already community transmission going on for weeks. Now there might be over a 100,000 infected persons in the US, most of them not tested. In 2 weeks there will be thousands of deaths.

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Oli on Monday, March 23, 2020 05:36:41
    When the US became aware that it was spreading there were already community transmission going on for weeks. Now there might be over a 100,000 infected persons in the US, most of them not tested. In 2 weeks there will be thousands of deaths.

    i agree with you totally - that in america, our united states, there are walking COViD-19 zombies all around us. mix that with the 'psuedo shelter in place' NON-mandated suggestion thats in many of our communities right now, those COViD-19 zombies are all around us, at the grocery stores and other places...

    i dont know about your neck of the woods, but im in the pacific northwest...
    i travel for work... i have sen with my own two eyes, that from seattle all
    the way down to eugene, or; it is MORE BUSY than prior to the COViD-19 outbreak. in my areas, the outside traffic has INCREASED, not decreased.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to mastermind on Monday, March 23, 2020 16:00:37
    mastermind wrote to Oli <=-

    i dont know about your neck of the woods, but im in the pacific northwest... i travel for work... i have sen with my own two eyes, that from seattle all the way down to eugene, or; it is MORE BUSY than prior
    to the COViD-19 outbreak. in my areas, the outside traffic has
    INCREASED, not decreased.

    If that is a bad thing, then why are you out traveling?


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to mastermind on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 06:58:14
    There is no god. Really, what kind of god gives children cancer and inflicts this epedemic onto the entire population of the world?

    Science will save us all, not prayers.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 23:13:00
    There is no god. Really, what kind of god gives children cancer and

    Science will save us all, not prayers.

    Hmmm not sure science will save us either... might just be down to evolution this time.

    Spec


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  • From Argos@21:1/203 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:30:35

    There is no god. Really, what kind of god gives children cancer and inflicts this epedemic onto the entire population of the world?

    Science will save us all, not prayers.


    Respecting a viewpoint to first and foremost ...
    Here is my respectful response to your viewpoint.

    Why would a loving and holy God allow a child to suffer through a serious illness such as cancer?

    We usually associate the love of God with the benefits we receive from Him
    and the blessings that come from His kind and merciful hand. Because His love usually manifests itself in good things that happen to us, we sometimes fall back in shock and consternation when we see a child struck by disease or some other trauma.

    Before we speak to the question of why God allows children to suffer, we need to ask the bigger question: Why does God allow suffering to happen to any person, whether he's two years old, two months old, or twenty years old? The Scriptures tell us that suffering came into the world as a consequence of the fall of man and of creation; that is to say, it is because of sin that God has visited judgment upon this planet. That includes the curses of pain, disease, sorrow, and death that attend the consequences of wickedness.

    How could a loving and holy God allow a baby to suffer a debilitating
    disease? I think the answer is partly contained in that very question. God is holy, and in His holiness He exercises judgment against the wickedness that
    is prevalent in human nature. When we ask the question with respect to
    infants, sometimes lurking behind that question is the unspoken assumption
    that babies are innocent. Virtually every church in the history of
    Christendom has had to develop some concept of what we call original sin because the Scriptures teach us so clearly that we are born in a sinful state and that the curse of the fall attends every human life. That sounds grim and dreadful until we realize that in that judgment on fallen humanity comes also the tempering of Gods wrath with mercy and grace and His whole work of redemption. We believe with great joyous anticipation that there is a special measure of grace that God has reserved for those who die in infancy. Jesus said, Suffer the little children to come unto me, for to such belongs the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:14).

    One warning that I have to raise at this point is that we dare not jump to
    the conclusion that an individual person's particular disease or affliction
    is a direct result of some particular sin. That may not be the case at all.
    As humans, all of us must participate in the broad complex of the fallenness
    of our humanity, which includes the tragedy of disease.

    ~ With Respect and Humbleness ..

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 09:37:00
    Joacim Melin wrote to mastermind <=-

    Science will save us all, not prayers.

    LOL, what a hypocrite.

    In a previous response in this same thread, here's an exact QUOTE
    of what you said to somebody:

    "Thoughts and prayers".

    So which is it?



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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Gamgee on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 09:19:49
    In a previous response in this same thread, here's an exact QUOTE
    of what you said to somebody:

    "Thoughts and prayers".

    That was sarcasm ;)

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Gamgee on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 20:06:25
    Joacim Melin wrote to mastermind <=-

    Science will save us all, not prayers.

    LOL, what a hypocrite.

    In a previous response in this same thread, here's an exact QUOTE
    of what you said to somebody:

    "Thoughts and prayers".

    So which is it?

    Gee, I forgot: you yanks aren't that good at this thing called "irony". My apologies.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Argos on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 13:12:32
    We usually associate the love of God with the benefits we receive from
    Him and the blessings that come from His kind and merciful hand. Because His love usually manifests itself in good things that happen to us, we sometimes fall back in shock and consternation when we see a child
    struck by disease or some other trauma.
    Before we speak to the question of why God allows children to suffer, we need to ask the bigger question: Why does God allow suffering to happen
    to any person, whether he's two years old, two months old, or twenty
    years old? The Scriptures tell us that suffering came into the world as
    a consequence of the fall of man and of creation; that is to say, it is because of sin that God has visited judgment upon this planet. That includes the curses of pain, disease, sorrow, and death that attend the consequences of wickedness.

    Having been an evangelical...but now Anabaptist...I looked at this situation and several of us in the movement came to the conclusion that many
    evangelicals are looking for a way to throw off blame on their behavior to anyone else...including God/Satan. This being the case...it is MAN...not God/Satan who needs to be blamed for this. It is so much easier to blame someone/anyone else for your personal issues. For instance...for the child
    who is dying of cancer which is caused by environmental factors...why didn't you go scream at the companies who dumped their waste into the area...causing the issue? For the wars...we are people of peace...but have no problem
    sending out our sons/daughters out because some corporation wants more profit. Damn be the consequences to those who are the ones hurt while someone is able to buy another house/car & such from those profits.

    Even more wrong with evangelicals is their favorite verse John 3:16...without including John 3:17. I John tells us that God is Love. According to John 3:16...God did send his Son for those who believe don't perish...but adding 3:17 into the mix...his Son didn't come into the world to condemn the world
    to hell...but that all may be saved. That being the case...looking at Matthew 25:31-46...there are going to be many making it to heaven...but many too delusional are making another trip. In these verses...Jesus never mentioned anything about the evangelical wet dream...but how we treat others. This
    being the case...evangelicals are so full of their own BS that they don't
    even realize they aren't making the trip they expect.

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Blue White on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:52:41
    to the COViD-19 outbreak. in my areas, the outside traffic has INCREASED, not decreased.

    If that is a bad thing, then why are you out traveling?

    My business is in sales, so i pickup products from warehouses from seattle to eugene... since i dont contact any humans during those travels, they havent stopped... with this COViD-19 situation, i will admit that i take a few big exits daily to see the current situation and traffic out there in the public space. since i do travel, i am able to see a few cities traffic daily.

    the point was that it is [still, btw... 3/24/20] BUSIER in public than it was prior than the COViD-19 outbreak.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Joacim Melin on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:54:34
    On 24 Mar 2020 at 06:58a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    There is no god. Really, what kind of god gives children cancer and inflicts this epedemic onto the entire population of the world?

    Science will save us all, not prayers.


    i actually agree with you - i think my reference to God help us was more to make the point; God help us.

    [i dont think anyONE is helping at the current - damn sure not this president trump character.]

    i think that we should allow the professionals to take the reigns -- no, not just the doctors... but doctors, economists, and scientists.. im sure we
    could come up with a few other titles that could help; so long as we could
    get TRUMP out of the room.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Argos on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:04:09
    Respecting a viewpoint to first and foremost ...
    Here is my respectful response to your viewpoint.

    Why would a loving and holy God allow a child to suffer through a serious illness such as cancer?

    We usually associate the love of God with the benefits we receive from
    Him and the blessings that come from His kind and merciful hand. Because His love usually manifests itself in good things that happen to us, we sometimes fall back in shock and consternation when we see a child
    struck by disease or some other trauma.

    Before we speak to the question of why God allows children to suffer, we need to ask the bigger question: Why does God allow suffering to happen
    to any person, whether he's two years old, two months old, or twenty
    years old? The Scriptures tell us that suffering came into the world as
    a consequence of the fall of man and of creation; that is to say, it is because of sin that God has visited judgment upon this planet. That includes the curses of pain, disease, sorrow, and death that attend the consequences of wickedness.

    How could a loving and holy God allow a baby to suffer a debilitating disease? I think the answer is partly contained in that very question.
    God is holy, and in His holiness He exercises judgment against the wickedness that is prevalent in human nature. When we ask the question with respect to infants, sometimes lurking behind that question is the unspoken assumption that babies are innocent. Virtually every church in the history of Christendom has had to develop some concept of what we
    call original sin because the Scriptures teach us so clearly that we are born in a sinful state and that the curse of the fall attends every
    human life. That sounds grim and dreadful until we realize that in that judgment on fallen humanity comes also the tempering of Gods wrath with mercy and grace and His whole work of redemption. We believe with great joyous anticipation that there is a special measure of grace that God
    has reserved for those who die in infancy. Jesus said, Suffer the little children to come unto me, for to such belongs the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:14).

    One warning that I have to raise at this point is that we dare not jump
    to the conclusion that an individual person's particular disease or affliction is a direct result of some particular sin. That may not be
    the case at all. As humans, all of us must participate in the broad complex of the fallenness of our humanity, which includes the tragedy of disease.

    ~ With Respect and Humbleness ..

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    good story, bro.
    however, theres 300 other religions that have a different take on what you
    just described...

    religion are books, created during times when there was no science to explain that life is a light switch; it turns OFF when we die. since the human condition is to not want to believe that, there are 300+ religions to pick from... at least pick the one with the coolest stories, eh?

    christianity needs a new version of that ole bible, these days, the old one doesnt cut the mustard IMO.

    whatever story books you choose to believe from, lets make decisions for the nation, the world, on science. please for the love of Abba...

    M@STERMiND

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to ryan on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:06:24
    On 24 Mar 2020 at 09:19a, ryan pondered and said...

    In a previous response in this same thread, here's an exact QUOTE
    of what you said to somebody:

    "Thoughts and prayers".

    That was sarcasm ;)

    i sometimes have to laugh, when folks come at me with the 'you just said God
    in the last post'... stuff...

    well, jesus h christopher smith abba swahili buda! f it all...
    :P

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to mastermind on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 18:11:00
    mastermind wrote to Blue White <=-

    If that is a bad thing, then why are you out traveling?

    My business is in sales, so i pickup products from warehouses
    from seattle to eugene... since i dont contact any humans during
    those travels, they havent stopped... with this COViD-19
    situation, i will admit that i take a few big exits daily to see
    the current situation and traffic out there in the public space.
    since i do travel, i am able to see a few cities traffic daily.

    the point was that it is [still, btw... 3/24/20] BUSIER in public
    than it was prior than the COViD-19 outbreak.

    Perhaps that's why Washington/Oregon is such a hotspot... I am
    seeing the EXACT OPPOSITE as far as traffic here where I live.

    Explains NYC, too...



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to mastermind on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 18:14:00
    mastermind wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    i think that we should allow the professionals to take the reigns
    -- no, not just the doctors... but doctors, economists, and
    scientists.. im sure we could come up with a few other titles
    that could help; so long as we could get TRUMP out of the room.

    The only way you'll get him out of the room is by voting in
    November.

    Oh, wait. Joe Biden... LOL

    Trump isn't going anywhere... ;-)



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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:28:01
    the point was that it is [still, btw... 3/24/20] BUSIER in public than it was prior than the COViD-19 outbreak.

    Perhaps that's why Washington/Oregon is such a hotspot... I am
    seeing the EXACT OPPOSITE as far as traffic here where I live.

    Explains NYC, too...

    i agree... california also.
    im hearing the same about austin, texas - but maybe the broader america is different. MAYBE its the democratic states... lots to think about and unload there - also, since we arent seeing whats going on in other places in the media, i only know what im seeing in my neck of the woods.

    hmmm.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to mastermind on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 16:41:10
    mastermind wrote to Blue White <=-

    the point was that it is [still, btw... 3/24/20] BUSIER in public than
    it was prior than the COViD-19 outbreak.

    Do you think the people and kids who are now not working or at school are
    out running around in public? I had to go out to the pharmacy Monday.
    They have a drive through like the banks used to... as little contact as possible. Remembering what you'd said, I honestly think there were a whole
    lot less people out in my area than normal at that time of day.

    However, I had to then remind myself that I went later than I normally
    would so that I could avoid people, so I don't have the best frame of
    reference for it. Also, with the restaurants closed, a lot of people who
    work here but live in surrounding areas probably had gone ahead and left
    town for the evening.

    The roads were as empty as I have ever seen them while the Sun is still out. Maybe seeing what it did on the West Coast has folks here more frightened
    to be out and not social distancing.


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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Blue White on Saturday, March 28, 2020 23:17:08
    On 25 Mar 2020 at 04:41p, Blue White pondered and said...

    mastermind wrote to Blue White <=-

    the point was that it is [still, btw... 3/24/20] BUSIER in public tha it was prior than the COViD-19 outbreak.

    Do you think the people and kids who are now not working or at school are out running around in public? I had to go out to the pharmacy Monday. They have a drive through like the banks used to... as little contact as possible. Remembering what you'd said, I honestly think there were a whole lot less people out in my area than normal at that time of day.

    However, I had to then remind myself that I went later than I normally would so that I could avoid people, so I don't have the best frame of reference for it. Also, with the restaurants closed, a lot of people who work here but live in surrounding areas probably had gone ahead and left town for the evening.

    The roads were as empty as I have ever seen them while the Sun is still out. Maybe seeing what it did on the West Coast has folks here more frightened to be out and not social distancing.


    it was explained to me fairly well by a bean counter associate of mine; say
    the public space can handle 5,500 customers. no matter what, you'll always
    see 5,500 customers when your in that public space... the important part is what percentage of the population did you change to being at home, shelter-in-place, that would normally not be at home. thats the only
    important number... you'll always SEE the 5,500 people in public... the most important part is are YOU a part of that 5,500... and what % of the community its at home, that normally wouldnt be.

    its all about getting say 75% acceptance of a shelter-in-place order. regardless, i am at home and will be for the remainder.

    M@STERMiND

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