I run many linux based systems. I run a couple OS/x systems for the
pretty
places..
I have a couple older laptops; I use ThinkPads for Linux boxes because
of how
well they play with GNU, but I have an X61... 1gb RAM, Intel Centrino Dual...
and an x200, if I can get past its not booting past POST issue, but anyway...
How old can I take one of these systems? What OS would you run on a...
past
DOS times, but could be a dedicated BBS maschine? I can play and have
fun. ???
M@STERMiND
How old can I take one of these systems? What OS would you run ona... m> past m> DOS times, but could be a dedicated BBS maschine? I
can play and have m> fun. ???
M@STERMiNDOS/2 v4.0. :)
OS/2 v4.0. :)
i remember running DesqView on top of DOS... and I think OS/2 was
DesqView but badass... if I remember correctly.
i remember running DesqView on top of DOS... and I think OS/2 was DesqView but badass... if I remember correctly.I've got a blue edition of os/2 Warp here, ahh she's only a 2.1 though...
OS/2 v4.0. :)
i remember running DesqView on top of DOS... and I think OS/2
was DesqView but badass... if I remember correctly.
I've got a blue edition of os/2 Warp here, ahh she's only a 2.1
though...
Mastermind wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
i remember running DesqView on top of DOS... and I think OS/2 was
DesqView but badass... if I remember correctly.
I really like the design (windows decorations) of OS/2 2.x, much better than the later editions.
OS/2 was not Desqview. DV was badass enough. What makes OS/2 so great, to me, was that it is (mostly) capable of multitasking (moreso
than Windows was during that time) and it had a better DOS
environment than its GUI competitor.
I really like the design (windows decorations) of OS/2 2.x,
much better than the later editions.
Can't say I know... but I have a nagging memory that the early ones
looked a lot like Win3.1
Spectre wrote to Blue White <=-
There used to be some jokes here about running Win3.11 over os/2 so you could have multiple instances to get the multi tasking done :)
Spectre wrote to Oli <=-
I really like the design (windows decorations) of OS/2 2.x, much better than the later editions.
Can't say I know... but I have a nagging memory that the early ones
looked a lot like Win3.1
I really like the design (windows decorations) of OS/2 2.x, much better than the later editions.
OS/2 was not Desqview. DV was badass enough. What makes OS/2 so great, to me, was that it is (mostly) capable of multitasking (moreso than Windows was during that time) and it had a better DOS environment than
its GUI competitor.
Phoobar wrote to Blue White <=-
The main beef I had with MS was the amount of time it took to make
Windows just start to be able to multitask to the point where OS/2 was.
The main beef I had with MS was the amount of time it took to make Windows just start to be able to multitask to the point where OS/2 waOr even where QEMM/Desqview was. :)
On 03-23-20 23:55, Phoobar wrote to Blue White <=-
The main beef I had with MS was the amount of time it took to make Windows just start to be able to multitask to the point where OS/2 waOr even where QEMM/Desqview was. :)
Remember trying to use Desqview...but never could get it running right. Bad thing was I already had lost my hair by that time...so I couldn't
use that as an excuse. ;D
Remember trying to use Desqview...but never could get it running right. Bad thing was I already had lost my hair by that time...so I couldn't
use that as an excuse. ;D
Remember trying to use Desqview...but never could get it running righ Bad thing was I already had lost my hair by that time...so I couldn't use that as an excuse. ;DFirst I've heard of that trouble. I remember having no issues getting DESQview running properly. Loved it, actually. :)
Remember trying to use Desqview...but never could get it running righI didn't have a lot of joy with DesqView either. Admittedly I only ever saw yer bootlegged copies and never manuela in sight, but even in 4Mb on
a 386 I couldn't get more than 2 BBS nodes up. Aside from which is
wasn't very happy with network drivers. It either hid them, or you had
to load inside each task so the free memory was horrible. In the end
for the BBS I stuck with adding 286's server style to the network.
Phoobar wrote to Blue White <=-
Remember trying to use Desqview...but never could get it running right. Bad thing was I already had lost my hair by that time...so I couldn't
use that as an excuse. ;D
Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
bootlegged copies and never manuela in sight, but even in 4Mb on a 386
I couldn't get more than 2 BBS nodes up.
On 03-24-20 08:53, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-
Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
bootlegged copies and never manuela in sight, but even in 4Mb on a 386
I couldn't get more than 2 BBS nodes up.
And that, with spending hours trying to get an extra 4-8k of base
memory before loading DV. Loading drivers in high memory was a
time-sink back then!
QEMM was pretty good at working it out automatically. From memory, the most conventional RAM I ever got was around 720k. :)
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
QEMM was pretty good at working it out automatically. From memory, the most conventional RAM I ever got was around 720k. :)
On 03-26-20 01:49, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
QEMM was pretty good at working it out automatically. From memory, the most conventional RAM I ever got was around 720k. :)
With network and what have you, I suspect I had more going on, but QEMM was good at lying... Stealth would lock things up, and some of its optimizations despite promises wouldn't loadhigh. I have that same problem now, except even worse, nothing loads high..
On 03-25-20 09:23, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
QEMM was pretty good at working it out automatically. From memory, the most conventional RAM I ever got was around 720k. :)
That's more than Bill Gates thought you needed!
Back then, I was an oddball.
("Back then?")
I ran DR-DOS, which had its own memory manager, SuperStor disk compression, and ran Geoworks and LANTastic. I would be lucky if I got into the high 400k realm.
in! :D These days, it seems for the most part that "memory is memory" - sure there's kernel memory and user memory, but nothing like DOS's range on the PC - Conventional, EMS, EEMS, XMS, extended, HMA, UMB.... :D
On 03-26-20 08:35, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Used to live in a house with 3 BBS's with all of us running something different. We'd have contests to see which one could have the most
loaded above 640K & what the final amount would be. Don't think I ever won...but was a hell of a learning experience.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
xard, because that meant QEMM could add another 96k (from $A0000 to $B8000) as conventional RAM.
You can tell us oldies by all the talk of DOS memory management, which
was as much an art as a science, with a healthy dose of voodoo thrown
in! :D These days, it seems for the most part that "memory is memory"
- sure there's kernel memory and user memory, but nothing like DOS's
range on the PC - Conventional, EMS, EEMS, XMS, extended, HMA, UMB....
I think I could have given you guys a good run for your money. As I
said, my record for free conventional memory was somewhere around 720k after all drivers were loaded. ;)
On 03-26-20 15:37, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
xard, because that meant QEMM could add another 96k (from $A0000 to $B8000) as conventional RAM.
I was going to wonder why the hell you'd remember that, then wondered
why the hell I remember c800:5 as the address for the MFM low-level
format routines for old MFM drives.
That, and plug and play. Running a BBS meant getting a high-speed
serial port, then trying to figure out how to get ports and interrupts
to play nice, especially since I had a serial printer and mouse at the time.
On 03-27-20 11:53, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think I could have given you guys a good run for your money. As I
said, my record for free conventional memory was somewhere around 720k after all drivers were loaded. ;)
My hat is off to the master!
said, my record for free conventional memory was somewhere around 720 after all drivers were loaded. ;)Hehe thanks. The CGA trick certainly helps! :D
On 03-28-20 00:18, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
said, my record for free conventional memory was somewhere around 720 after all drivers were loaded. ;)Hehe thanks. The CGA trick certainly helps! :D
At the time...the big thing was VGA cards. The rest of use were using
CGA on-board or with an add-on card. In terms of EGA...don't think I
ever saw one or got to play around with it. Usually...folks didn't
bother with EGA & just went to VGA from CGA.
At the time...the big thing was VGA cards. The rest of use were using CGA on-board or with an add-on card. In terms of EGA...don't think I ever saw one or got to play around with it. Usually...folks didn't bother with EGA & just went to VGA from CGA.
EGA was around before VGA came out, but it was expensive and not that popular. VGA prices came down fairly rapidly and EGA was obsolete
in no time. But for a BBS of the day, CGA was the best choice,
time. But for a BBS of the day, CGA was the best choice, if you wanted conventional memory.
On 03-28-20 23:31, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ponder, I mostly had mono and herculean cards. This was followed by a
couple of CGA cards so I could stop guessing ANSI colours and look at a colour picture. And then as you say straight to VGA. But my first
colour monitot was actually an NEC Multisy
Spec
On 03-28-20 09:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
time. But for a BBS of the day, CGA was the best choice, if you wanted conventional memory.
True. There were even some running Windows 3** & playing games at the
same time like Castle Wolfenstein...until Windows crashed & took their board down with it. ;)
same time like Castle Wolfenstein...until Windows crashed & took thei board down with it. ;)I preferred to do the heavy stuff under OS/2, for obvious reasons. :) Though playing games wasn't among those. ;)
Been setting up Fmail this evening...after falling asleep in the chair & almost choking before I knew it by my body being in a bad position.
Lucky I haven't cracked my skull when this happens when I get startled like I'm falling.
Been setting up Fmail this evening...after falling asleep in the chaiThe mail tosser? If you need help let me know.
Anything in that config which will throw me for a loop?
On 03-29-20 00:42, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Been setting up Fmail this evening...after falling asleep in the chair
& almost choking before I knew it by my body being in a bad position. Lucky I haven't cracked my skull when this happens when I get startled like I'm falling.
Would like to get some more memory for the Lenovo system to run the
board & such off a RAM drive. Above 4 GB of memory...ArcaOS is
PAE-aware & can use the extra memory a RAM drive.
Anything in that config which will throw me for a loop?
One thing to keep in mind with fmail is that it doesn't support jam
netmail bases, only *.msg. Are you planning to pair that up with
telegard? I don't remember what base type telegard supports. If TG
supports a *.MSG netmail base you'll be OK.
AFAIK there are very few BBS programs that don't support the *.MSG format and only support JAM and/or Squish. Telegard 3.xx does support the common three message base formats:
"""
What follows is a brief synopsis of what the Telegard 3.0 release contains.
_____________
MESSAGE BASES
The message bases have been redesigned from ground up. They
incorporate many of the powerful mailing features that are now
expected of by bulletin board systems.
* Support for three standard message base formats; JAM, Squish and
fido *.MSG. These message base formats replace the proprietary
format which Telegard users have come to hate (and some love, but I
don't think there are many of them).
"""
Anything in that config which will throw me for a loop?One thing to keep in mind with fmail is that it doesn't support jam netmail bases, only *.msg. Are you planning to pair that up with
telegard? I don't remember what base type telegard supports. If TG supports a *.MSG netmail base you'll be OK.
If you do need jam netmail base support you'll need to use FastEcho. FE supports *.MSG, Jam and Squish so you'll be OK there either way.
Lanius's Squish will work with a squish netmail base so you could use
that too.
Lucky I haven't cracked my skull when this happens when I get startle like I'm falling.Cool, haven't used Fmail in years, but it was a good tosser.
board & such off a RAM drive. Above 4 GB of memory...ArcaOS is PAE-aware & can use the extra memory a RAM drive.I'm guessing it doesn't need a real lot of RAM, given its heritage, but the extra is useful for a RAMdisk, as you say.
On 03-30-20 00:02, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Lucky I haven't cracked my skull when this happens when I get startle like I'm falling.Cool, haven't used Fmail in years, but it was a good tosser.
Al left a message that Fmail wasn't going to be any good with JAM
netmail bases...but FastEcho was. Tried to work on it today...but the exhaustion kept getting the best of me...so zonked out for a couple of hours this afternoon.
Other than that...been watching the newest version of the Twilight Zone which came out last year. Takes my mind off the bad news & reminds me
of why I loved the original one from the 50's. The writers for this one are 1st rate & bring back that feeling. Love these types of series!
At least this time...will have GB's to use...rather than KB/MB's we
used to have. Shouldn't be any reason not to run the whole thing on a
RAM drive...especially on those netbooks you were talking about.
Other than that...been watching the newest version of the Twilight Zo which came out last year. Takes my mind off the bad news & reminds meCool, I loved the original series. It still holds up well today.
At least this time...will have GB's to use...rather than KB/MB's we used to have. Shouldn't be any reason not to run the whole thing on a RAM drive...especially on those netbooks you were talking about.The netbooks have 1-2G RAM. Not that great for today's OSs, but OS/2 should fly on it.
On 03-30-20 15:43, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When the current writers can catch the spirit of the original without reusing old scripts...that says something. They tried to remake the old Mission: Impossible series in the late 80's down there. 1st season (out
At least this time...will have GB's to use...rather than KB/MB's we used to have. Shouldn't be any reason not to run the whole thing on a RAM drive...especially on those netbooks you were talking about.The netbooks have 1-2G RAM. Not that great for today's OSs, but OS/2 should fly on it.
Look at what the specs to run Warp 4 were at the time & they will act
like something neither of us expect.
Did end up ordering from NewEgg an 8 GB chip to put in the Lenovo. That means running 12 GB total memory with a 1 TB HDD. Means I spent less
than $100 to get a system which will make ArcaOS catch on fire to run
the board on.
Did end up ordering from NewEgg an 8 GB chip to put in the Lenovo. That
means running 12 GB total memory with a 1 TB HDD. Means I spent less
than $100 to get a system which will make ArcaOS catch on fire to run
the board on.
Nice, sounds like way overkill, actually. :D
On 03-31-20 09:24, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
He probably wants all the RAM reserve available for multitasking. That
is, doing other things (VMs, games, browsing..) while the board is
running too.
On 03-31-20 09:24, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
He probably wants all the RAM reserve available for
multitasking. That is, doing other things (VMs, games,
browsing..) while the board is running too.
Is there an up to date browser for OS/2 these days?
Is there an up to date browser for OS/2 these days?
On 04-01-20 11:15, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Is there an up to date browser for OS/2 these days?
There was a Firefox port and they were trying to keep up with Firefox
ESR (always some versions behind), but then Mozilla started to use
Rust. I haven't read anything official, but I think that killed any further porting efforts.
The most up to date browser is maybe Firefox 45 ESR and I'm not sure
how stable it is:
https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases
On 04-01-20 09:32, volker wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Is there an up to date browser for OS/2 these days?
Has anyone ported curl? :)
Haha funny you should mention curl, I was using it (under Linux) an hour or so ago. :D
The netbooks have 1-2G RAM. Not that great for today's OSs, but OS/2 should fly on it.Yeah, the netbooks came with XP, but Warp 4 predates that by years, so it should fly. :)
Look at what the specs to run Warp 4 were at the time & they will act like something neither of us expect.
There was a Firefox port and they were trying to keep up with FirefoxHmm, bit of a bummer, browsers are one thing that need to be fairly up to
On 04-01-20 11:32, volker wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha funny you should mention curl, I was using it (under Linux) an hour or so ago. :D
I use it several times a day. It's sort of the swiss army knife of
system engineers when doing anything "web" (services, APIs, etc...) at
the command line. A powerful and often underestimated tool.
I also use it to extract data from websites (then a bit of RegExp matching, grep, awk, you get the idea...)
On 04-01-20 18:43, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The one I used for the board right now with Windows 7 Starter was the
same thing. Haven't tried it yet...but may do so.
On 04-01-20 22:25, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There was a Firefox port and they were trying to keep up with FirefoxHmm, bit of a bummer, browsers are one thing that need to be fairly up to
Nah just use old websites :)
I see you're still doing /999. Might be time to apply for a node number, otherwise you're going to find you may not get all mail, as others poll with the same address.
On 04-02-20 08:05, volker wrote to Vk3jed <=-=
Already done. Paul / Avon has put me in Zone 2 with Todd / Solaris who will get around to it soon. I'll sooner than later will be 21:2/168.
Seems so far I'm good with getting all mail, but I don't seem to have access to all boards.
There was a Firefox port and they were trying to keep up with Firefox ESR (always some versions behind), but then Mozilla started to use Rust. I haven't read anything official, but I think that killed any further porting efforts.
The most up to date browser is maybe Firefox 45 ESR and I'm not sure how stable it is: https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases
The one I used for the board right now with Windows 7 Starter was the same thing. Haven't tried it yet...but may do so.I'm using a Banana Pi, so that's not exactly a candidate for OS/2. ;)
On a serious note...have seen those...but always keep going back to the RPi...since I've had 3 of them & know what they will do. Like the price
on them & many of the specs...but was unsure how they compare to the RPi's.
volker wrote to Phoobar <=-
I opted to run my BBS off a VM instance at $cloud_provider.
2.99+tax a month, which is the price at which many can be had these
days is a real steal, there are more costly hobbies around.
I opted to run my BBS off a VM instance at $cloud_provider.
2.99+tax a month, which is the price at which many can be had these days is a real steal, there are more costly hobbies around.
Phoobar wrote to volker <=-
I opted to run my BBS off a VM instance at $cloud_provider.
2.99+tax a month, which is the price at which many can be had these days is a real steal, there are more costly hobbies around.
Have heard of them & know several around here use them. That
price isn't bad...but do they put data caps on the account?
Remember in the past how people would find hosting services...but
after a set amount of data...they ended up paying out the nose.
Never considered doing this...but gotta URL for me to get some
more information?
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