Well it made it to New Zealand, we have one case so far after someone
flew back from visiting people in Iran.
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in
from both China and Iran
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV news. :(
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in from both China and Iran
Well it made it to New Zealand, we have one case so far after
someone flew back from visiting people in Iran.
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in
from both China and Iran
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV news. :(
Well it made it to New Zealand, we have one case so far after someone
flew back from visiting people in Iran.
Is it me or govs. all over the world take extreme measures about this virus? Up to now, we had: swine flu, bird flu, h1n1, sars, mers, but we never had this kind of measures like quarantines etc.
A couple weeks ago I had a flight from Frankfurt to San Francisco and a guy one row up was coughing his head off the whole time. Pissed me off. Least the guy could do was wear a mask...I think those should be
mandatory for anyone displaying signs of illness on a flight.
Damn! we don't have any case yet in Argentina but Brasil has one
reported, and they are close to us...
Don't know what to think about this...
I think it's because we still don't fully understand transmission, how to treat it (if possible at all), and now it looks like you can have the sickness more than once. Which means much of this is unprecedented and
the only way to eradicate the sickness is quarantine.
There is no way that we can contain this.
Well it made it to New Zealand, we have one case so far after someone
flew
back from visiting people in Iran.
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in
from both
China and Iran
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV
news. :(
There is no way that we can contain this.
Yeah, it's looking that way. I live in Santa Clara county, California, where
we have a few confirmed cases (I think). This is going to suck for
everyone :/
I don't commute to work via subway or train and there is no way in hell I'm about to start with things they way they are right now.
IDK. With all of the unusual border closings and quarantines I am scared shitless right now.
On 01 Mar 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...
I don't commute to work via subway or train and there is no way in hell
I'm about to start with things they way they are right now.
I operate six restaurants. On an easy day I come in contact with
probably 300
people and that's if I don't move around much that day.
IDK. With all of the unusual border closings and quarantines I am
scared
shitless right now.
Yeah, it's looking that way. I live in Santa Clara county, California,
where we have a few confirmed cases (I think). This is going to suck for everyone :/
OTOH, maybe you're like my wife. She's a kindergarten teacher and get exposed to all kinds of shit via all the kids she's a teacher for every
On 03-01-20 09:07, Weatherman wrote to Ryan <=-
Yeah, it's looking that way. I live in Santa Clara county, California, where we have a few confirmed cases (I think). This is going to suck for everyone :/
Spring is just around the corner. My completely non-professional
analysis is as the wetaher warms up, the virus will start to dissipate.
Some believe this is due to higher humidity in the warmer times of
year which leads to thicker air. That makes transmission of germs more difficult through the air.
On 03-01-20 11:50, Don Rolo wrote to Avon <=-
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On 01 Mar 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...
Well, I get kidney stones every couple of years. Thank goodness
those aren't transmittable.
LOL, interesting, given that cold, dry air is actually denser than warm humid air. So much so that there is a measurable difference in sprint
times (~0.01-0.02 sec over 100m). The main reason colds tend to spread in winter is because people tend to spend more time indoors in relatively confined spaces at close quarters. There also seems to be "change of
season" effects. For example, most years, I get a cold around the end of winter (August-September).
On 03-01-20 18:46, Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True, I'm thinking the humidity does something to interfere with the
small particles in the air. Dry air is more dense but humid air has
the extra moisture in it that could interfere with transmission of
germs in the air.
Totally non-professional here, but it does seem flu and viruses are
more active
in the winter.
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in from both China and Iran
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV news. :(
And now one victim in Washington DC. Damn...
On 29 Feb 2020, ryan said the following...
A couple weeks ago I had a flight from Frankfurt to San
Francisco and a guy one row up was coughing his head off the
whole time. Pissed me off. Least the guy could do was wear a
mask...I think those should be mandatory for anyone displaying
signs of illness on a flight.
At my sons job this week a worker came in to work coughing and
sniffling and showed all signs of the virus, (He just got home from
Italy) he was sent home, now all the workers there are worried he may
have had it.
On 03-01-20 23:05, Phoobar wrote to Avon <=-
At the store...have had to tell way too many people there are no masks available since we sold out on Friday...with the next truck in Sunday evening. Talking about people so scared of a boogeyman...it's been
amazing I haven't gotten anything. Had my flu shot last fall & usually
eat a can of fruit or fresh fruit everyday...so don't have to worry
about getting something. Another benefit...will never catch scurvy. ;)
How the US is dealing with it is just amazing. He is coming from Italy, hasn't been tested and came in to work? Now workers are worried? Is
anyone doing anything about it? But I guess it's too late in the US anyway. Every country should now close the borders for people coming
from the US.
On 02 Mar 2020, Oli said the following...
How the US is dealing with it is just amazing. He is coming
from Italy, hasn't been tested and came in to work? Now workers
are worried? Is anyone doing anything about it? But I guess
it's too late in the US anyway. Every country should now close
the borders for people coming from the US.
Actually, the US is handling it correctly the President closed the
borders to China but got backlash for it from the other side of the
aisle. Basically,m the cases that have come about are in quarantine
and we have only had 2 deaths from it.
about getting something. Another benefit...will never catch scurvy. ;I'm keeping an eye on the news, but otherwise not too concerned at this stage. I'm in much better shape than most 50 somethings, not too prone
to illnesses. However, travel is increasingly possible in my immediate
to medium term future, and that increases the odds of being exposed to something like COVID-19. So it won't hurt to be prudent.
On another note, it is being said that unless a person is in constant contact with someone who has it, it can not be transmitted. The people
on the ocean liner were in constant contact with everyone there was no quarantine there the boat itself was not unloaded! It's a wonder not everyone on that ship doesn't have it.. Anyways, that is my spiel~!
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everything I've read has said exactly the same thing you have said.
On 03-03-20 13:23, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Totally agree. Big difference in being prudent and being a prick. Many
of those I see are the latter. Both of us can actually read and
understand what we read...unlike those I see to buy this stuff. Have noticed that there was a pickup in the latter type after the orange
turd was on TV talking about it.
Myself...did a road trip on the scooter this morning to Corvallis
(10-12 miles away) to get my meds. They jumped the gun & mailed them to
me yesterday...so was sort of a wasted trip. Was cool...not cold & was nice to open up the bike & sightsee around me there & back. The last
thing I was concerned about was COVID-19. I was more worried about
getting run over or losing control of the bike.
On 03-03-20 13:31, Phoobar wrote to Bucko <=-
I see people everyday at work who are terrified they might catch it &
die from it...like the whole world is going to miss them because of
being that important. If it wouldn't get me fired...would love to ask everyone of them what they have done to improve the lives of everyone else. Myself...I am not famous...but what about that one kid I used to teach who has never forgotten me. What about the 88 year old lady I
helped to pick out a shower head from one I had and the one have? I'm
not special...but at least I have points to go back to where I helped someone else...rather than being scared of me catching something & infecting others.
aggressive things like quarantines, we could very well lose .11% of the population. For the heck of it, the upper scale would equate to .72% of the population.
That's a significant chunk of people. There's every reason to exercise caution here.
Let's go with the low range here and assume that reflects everyone in
the USA being of good general health, good access to medical facilities, proper nutrition, etc (things we know to be iffy). There are 327.2
million people in the USA (as of 2018) which means that if we don't do
noticed that there was a pickup in the latter type after the orange turd was on TV talking about it.Yep true, prudence is good, being a selfish prick isn't. Over here, it seems that toilet paper is the product of choice to hoard, along with
the usual suspects like P2 masks. I use P2 masks in emergency service work, so I'm familiar with them, and have one or two old ones on hand
that were superceded by the current ones, but that was from well before the outbreak.
Maybe a lot of people need to take a good look at themselves. I'm just watching the situation with the coronavirus outbreak, but that's all I'm doing now. I am aware of preventative measures, which are mostly just
others. My only risk factor is being over 50, but I'm in far better
shape than the average 50 something. That just means a big unknown, because the exact reasons for this virus being more fatal to older
people are as yet unknown. Pre-existing conditions are certainly one factor, but may or may not be the whole story, according to what I've read.
As for what I've done for others around me, I've changed lives and even saved lives over the year, and on at least one occasion, a BBS was involved in saving a life.
Myself...did a road trip on the scooter this morning to Corvallis (10-12
I was concerned about was COVID-19. I was more worried about getting
run over or losing control of the bike.
As for what I've done for others around me, I've changed lives and even saved lives over the year, and on at least one occasion, a BBS was involved in saving a life.
On 03-03-20 16:51, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The people who come in don't care what the masks are...just that they
are masks.
Did have some people come in to get actual dust masks to keep from actually breathing dust from doing wood work or cleaning...but nothing
was available.
On 03-03-20 16:57, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Problem here is everyone seems to be only in it for themselves & to
hell with everyone else. You hear me rag on evangelicals because I used
to be one. I really hope this is their "rapture" they have been waiting for. With them gone...society here in the US can improve.
Am the same way at 58. Unlike many others...dying doesn't scare me & if
I die because of this or something else...get to see my cat & old friends/actual family members who acted like family.
As for what I've done for others around me, I've changed lives and even saved lives over the year, and on at least one occasion, a BBS was involved in saving a life.
Hot Dog! At least we have something positive to point to on having
helped others when the need arose.
On 03-03-20 17:13, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As for what I've done for others around me, I've changed lives and even saved lives over the year, and on at least one occasion, a BBS was involved in saving a life.
Do you feel comfortable talking more about this?
On 03-04-20 11:49, Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
Never had the powered scooter, we'd need a motorcycle license for it.
But the electric "e-bike" scooter I always found was safest riding like
a pushbike... if you try to be nice people push you off the road. Was much safer to be mean and ride far enough in to be a real problem and
make them go around.
Phoobar wrote to Bucko <=-
On another note, it is being said that unless a person is in constant contact with someone who has it, it can not be transmitted. The people
on the ocean liner were in constant contact with everyone there was no quarantine there the boat itself was not unloaded! It's a wonder not everyone on that ship doesn't have it.. Anyways, that is my spiel~!
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everything I've read has
said exactly the same thing you have said.
I see people everyday at work who are terrified they might catch
it & die from it...like the whole world is going to miss them
because of being that important.
If it wouldn't get me fired...would love to ask everyone of them
what they have done to improve the lives of everyone else.
Myself...I am not
famous...but what about that one kid I used to teach who has
never forgotten me. What about the 88 year old lady I helped to
pick out a shower head from one I had and the one have? I'm not special...but at least I have points to go back to where I helped
someone else...
rather than being scared of me catching something
& infecting others.
Phoobar wrote to ryan <=-
aggressive things like quarantines, we could very well lose .11% of the population. For the heck of it, the upper scale would equate to .72% of the population.
That's a significant chunk of people. There's every reason to exercise caution here.
Certainly it is. With those numbers...would love to see the
numbers of the Spanish Flu of 1918 as a comparison.
Let's go with the low range here and assume that reflects everyone in
the USA being of good general health, good access to medical facilities, proper nutrition, etc (things we know to be iffy). There are 327.2
million people in the USA (as of 2018) which means that if we don't do
With the highest cost...less than adequate results of being in
the same range of some African nations in the 3rd world...think
we'll see the number MUCH higher than the .72% in the US...with
the numbers in other countries (including sh1thole countries the
orange turd likes talking about) with better results coming out
on the lower end of the scale.
...we can always hope the evangelicals get on
the high end of the scale as they pray with their last breath.
Sure. It goes back to the 90s when there was a lot more diversity in BBSs. The board I started was a messaging system, and unlike other
boards, I wanted the overall theme to be messaging on just about any subject.
On 03-03-20 19:11, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sure. It goes back to the 90s when there was a lot more diversity in BBSs. The board I started was a messaging system, and unlike other
boards, I wanted the overall theme to be messaging on just about any subject.
Wow, thanks for sharing that. Almost like a pre-Reddit. :)
On 03-03-20 20:30, Gamgee wrote to Phoobar <=-
Now, to be straight, I don't think it's something to get panic'd
about, but.... also something to watch closely and take whatever
simple prevention measures we can. Not doing that is just.....
stupid.
I was concerned about was COVID-19. I was more worried about getting run over or losing control of the bike.Never had the powered scooter, we'd need a motorcycle license for it.
a pushbike... if you try to be nice people push you off the road. Was much safer to be mean and ride far enough in to be a real problem and
make them go around.
The people who come in don't care what the masks are...just that they are masks.Yep.
I normally use them to filter out the particulates in bushfire smoke,
when on the fireground. And they're normally agency supplied. We're expected to carry a few in our gear, so they're on hand when needed.
Yeah, so many selfish people, but I find it far more enriching to
actually _do_ something for others. Even simply things. For example, most Saturday mornings, I go to Parkrun, which is a timed 5k run that happens every week. We now have two in town here. The problem is that
5k doesn't fit my training plan for most of the year. No biggie, I
I'm not ready to leave this world yet. I'm yet to find my real reason
for being here, though clues are starting to emerge. Once my life's
work is done, then it's time to move on. :)
Yes, BBSing has done a lot of good in the past. That's one of the
things I loved about the hobby. I've been able to change lives both as
a sysop (sometimes one ends up being a counselor for their users) and a memories. For all the reach and sophistication of the Internet, which
has done myself and countless others good (a whole other story!), it doesn't feel as "personal" as what happened on the BBSs.
Being gay, I was already participating on the local gay boards when I started mine, and when I got mine up and running, I actually became one
of the first boards in Melbourne to carry the major LGBT networks available here. Later, after a friend took the system over, he was able to arrange to get a major US based gay network feed to our system.
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everything I've read has said exactly the same thing you have said.You must be watching/reading a different news channel than anyone
else, then.
it & die from it...like the whole world is going to miss themDo you actually think that's why they're worried about it?
because of being that important.
Because the whole world would miss them? Seriously?
If it wouldn't get me fired...would love to ask everyone of themHow is that relevant to anything?
what they have done to improve the lives of everyone else.
pick out a shower head from one I had and the one have? I'm not special...but at least I have points to go back to where I helped someone else...Again.... completely NOT relevant.
rather than being scared of me catching somethingI'd say it's people like you, that aren't concerned with
& infecting others.
preventive measures, who help things like this spread.
Now, to be straight, I don't think it's something to get panic'd
about, but.... also something to watch closely and take whatever
simple prevention measures we can. Not doing that is just.....
stupid.
On 03-03-20 20:49, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
They will also believe you when you tell them yellow snow tastes fantastic. ;)
I normally use them to filter out the particulates in bushfire smoke,
when on the fireground. And they're normally agency supplied. We're expected to carry a few in our gear, so they're on hand when needed.
Ah...a person who knows how to use the proper tool.
On 03-03-20 20:54, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, so many selfish people, but I find it far more enriching to
actually _do_ something for others. Even simply things. For example, most Saturday mornings, I go to Parkrun, which is a timed 5k run that happens every week. We now have two in town here. The problem is that
5k doesn't fit my training plan for most of the year. No biggie, I
Love it!
I'm not ready to leave this world yet. I'm yet to find my real reason
for being here, though clues are starting to emerge. Once my life's
work is done, then it's time to move on. :)
Never said I was ready to leave...but that if I did...have nothing to
fear about the next chapter. If there's nothing...just remember that
line out of Star Trek II about beaming into nowhere about a chance to
get away from it all.
Oh yeah. It was BBS'ing which allowed me to leave Oklahoma & have a
better life than if I'd stayed.
On 03-03-20 21:02, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Had a professor at a Baptist college in Oklahoma who got run off for
being gay. Ended up teaching middle school English/drama at a public school in Tulsa. Even though it wasn't BBS-related...got hold of him several years ago to let him know that after 30 years if he hadn't kept
on me/encouraged me...I would've never finished college. Let him know
how much he changed my life. From his reaction...no one had ever done
that for him.
rather than being scared of me catching something
& infecting others.
I'd say it's people like you, that aren't concerned with
preventive measures, who help things like this spread.
Now, to be straight, I don't think it's something to get panic'd
about, but.... also something to watch closely and take whatever
simple prevention measures we can. Not doing that is just.....
stupid.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:30:00 -0600
"Gamgee -> Phoobar" <0@138.2.21> wrote:
rather than being scared of me catching something
& infecting others.
I'd say it's people like you, that aren't concerned with
preventive measures, who help things like this spread.
Now, to be straight, I don't think it's something to get panic'd
about, but.... also something to watch closely and take whatever
simple prevention measures we can. Not doing that is just.....
stupid.
Now the Trump lovers are afraid that SARS-CoV-2 will cause a major
health
crisis, many more people will die and Trump will be held responsible?
I know,
the true fanatics always find a way to resolve their cognitive
dissonance, but
it only needs a tiny percentage who don't vote, vote for the other old
guy or
are already dead in November. Thank good I'm not living in a country
where I
can get a >$3000 bill for getting tested for the virus. You are so
fucked ...
Germany: 203 confirmed cases / 0 deaths, US: 127 confirmed cases, 9 (confirmed)
deaths, South Korea: 5,328 confirmed cases, 33 deaths. Either the
virus is
much more deadly in the US or there are hundreds of unconfirmed cases.
But you are right, preventive measures are really important.
Seriously,
everyone should be a little afraid. Even if I most likely survive it without
any major symptoms, I don't want to transmit it to anyone, who
transmits it to
other persons and eventually I'm indirectly responsible for the death
of
someone I know or don't know.
Did have some people come in to get actual dust masks to keep from actually breathing dust from doing wood work or cleaning...but
nothing was available.
I always ride with a very bright yellow vest with reflective strips to be seen. Still scared that too many people are blind & will run me over. That's why I go out of my way to take the back roads to stay alive.
Is that some of the "tolerance" that liberals are so proud to
claim they embrace? Sheesh.
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available and affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than say,
a country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.
So yeah, I'd say some part of the Trump voters are fucked if this virus gets loose in the US.
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely
available and affordable healthcare will be able to handle this
virus better than say, a country where poor and/or uninsured
don't have access to healthcare.
So yeah, I'd say some part of the Trump voters are fucked if this
virus gets loose in the US.
It is always a joy to see people from countries outside the US that
seem to know more about the healthcare system than people that live
in the US.
Everyone (even illegals) have access to healthcare in the US. Even
with no insurance, anyone can go to the emergency room of any
hospital for "free" treatment. A good percentage of people that are
in hospitals in poor areas have no insurance, no money, and never pay
a dime.
Phoobar wrote to Gamgee <=-
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everything I've read has said exactly the same thing you have said.
You must be watching/reading a different news channel than anyone
else, then.
You're right...I don't listen/read the BS known as US news media.
I am actually more informed than many like yourself because I
don't swallow US propaganda which allow the orange POS get
elected.
it & die from it...like the whole world is going to miss them
because of being that important.
Do you actually think that's why they're worried about it?
Because the whole world would miss them? Seriously?
It's because of those just like you who are legends in their own
minds is much of what's wrong with the US...if you do live here.
As such...whatever you claim to know means nothing to me...since
you have no problem using moron talking points.
If it wouldn't get me fired...would love to ask everyone of them
what they have done to improve the lives of everyone else.
How is that relevant to anything?
How is it not relevant? C'mon...shoot your mouth off some more
normalizing stupidity of lessening what others believe.
pick out a shower head from one I had and the one have? I'm not special...but at least I have points to go back to where I helped someone else...
Again.... completely NOT relevant.
Tell me how.
Quit just using the same phrase over & over. Just
because you love Fox Stupid & live in mama's basement doesn't
make the world the same as what you see. No proof & using the
same bullshit the orange POS and those just like him use means
you are as irrelevant as they come.
rather than being scared of me catching something
& infecting others.
I'd say it's people like you, that aren't concerned with
preventive measures, who help things like this spread.
Oh yeah! Sorry that your level of "proof" makes whatever many of
us think puts you on the same level as The Millionaire. Just one
thing for all of you...fuck all of you & the horses you ride in
on.
Everyone (even illegals) have access to healthcare in the US. Even with no insurance, anyone can go to the emergency room of any hospital for "free" treatment. A good percentage of people that are in hospitals in poor areas have no insurance, no money, and never pay a dime.
“We are going to look at the uninsured because they have a big
problem,†President Trump said
Tuesday. [1]
Makes no sense, if the uninsured were already fully covered ...
Lot of good that does for preventive care. Yeah, let's fill up our
emergency departments with people that need a nose swab to test for COVID 19. This'll be easy to triage along with all the actual emergencies.
That is what a free country is all about. You are free to do nothing
and get nothing, or do something and get something.
No one wants them in the ER for general illnesses. That doesn't stop
them from doing it since it is free to them.
People with disabilities are covered. Lazy people are not. If someone makes the choice to not work or lay around all day and do drugs, that is on them. They can get insurance if they work or want to purchase it.
That is what a free country is all about. You are free to do nothing
and get nothing, or do something and get something.
That is what a free country is all about. You are free to do nothing
and get nothing, or do something and get something.
I live in a free country and get great universal health care regardless of income or job status. Never understood why that was a hard concept to
grasp.
Everyone has their own perception of what is great. I'll take my private insurance healthcare vs. any government run healthcare any day of the week.
No one wants them in the ER for general illnesses. That doesn't stop them from doing it since it is free to them.
Data, please, otherwise this is a strawman.
News flash: Not all unemployed or underemployed people are lazy. If that's going to be your argument, show me with data the demographics of people
who do this or you're invoking another strawman.
Sounds like Somalia, a country I got to visit early summer of last year. Sounds like a goddamn libertarian utopia over there. Everyone is armed and there are no taxes or government services. Hoorah!
I have friends, with real jobs and insurance, who have been brought to financial ruin due to routine family illness.
And you're pretty fucked if you are self-employed (until recently, I was). To buy coverage on the "open market" that isn't a junk/low-coverage
policy, my fam was paying *$1,800 USD a month* for that privilege. I'm on
a corporate plan now, and yeah, that helps. But as a recent small business owner--it's impossible to provide a competitive level of
employer-sponsored coverage without being a mature company. At least in my non-VC world.
Yeah, poor people go to the ER in the US when they don't want to die in
the street. I guess you can say that's what freedom is all about, but I don't think that's really what it is. Pretty generalized and callous, IMO.
And believe me, I'm not looking for a partisan fight here. Things arebroken.
I don't think 'free healthcare!!' is a sustainable answer in the US. But
to say our for-profit health care system is TRUE FREEDOM is just bonkers. It's fucking broken.
Huh? For those that want the government to run everything, there are a few countries left. China and North Korea would be the best bets.
This should be a bi-partisan initiative if we could only get the dead beats that have spent their entire life in congress to work on something meaningful for the country for a change.
People with disabilities are covered. Lazy people are not. If someone makes the choice to not work or lay around all day and do drugs, that is on them. They can get insurance if they work or want to purchase it.
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in, but milliions upon millions of Americans work full time and cannot afford medical care.
Not having medical care doesn't mean its because you're lazy and doing drugs, thats just an incredibly ridiculous statement.
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in, but milliions uponmillions
of Americans work full time and cannot afford medical care. Not having medical care doesn't mean its because you're lazy and doing drugs, thatsjust
an incredibly ridiculous statement.
Unfortunatly people who are wealthy often don't understand being poor. Sure some people are lazy and doing drugs, but many just can't get the jobs that pay the big bucks, due to lack of skills, education, physical ability or whatever.
Unfortunatly people who are wealthy often don't understand
being poor. Sure some people are lazy and doing drugs, but
many just can't get the jobs that pay the big bucks, due to
lack of skills, education, physical ability or whatever.
Studies have proven time and time again that "lazy" or on "drugs"
is a tiny fraction of those who fall into the system. Healthcare,
IMO, should be a basic human right. Equal and best care of each
other should be our priority.
People who are "on drugs" tend to be people who mental illness,
many who self medicate to run away from their issues. These tend to
be the people who need the help the most. This Darwinism theory
that we should leave those people behind, the fittest survive
model, just doesn't cut it.
Like you said, everyone has a perception of what is great. You can keep your private healthcare where profits usually dictate what happens and I will keep my universal health care that offers everyone great care with
no fighting with insurance companies. Worst cost for me is the cost of parking which is probably still cheaper than your co-pay.
It is a USA law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor
True, not all. At this point in time if you are unemployed in the US,
you are not employable or not looking. Expections for those with real disabilities of course. Those in real need should always get it.
Huh? For those that want the government to run everything, there are a few countries left. China and North Korea would be the best bets.
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in, but milliions upon millions of Americans work full time and cannot afford medical care.
Not having medical care doesn't mean its because you're lazy and doing drugs, thats just an incredibly ridiculous statement.
You'll never own the libtards with an attitude like that. Where's your sense of selfishness, buddy?
"People should have access to health care" to you is an affront to freedom, and wanting that somehow means we want to be like North Korea.
They will also believe you when you tell them yellow snow tastes fantastic. ;)They might have a fetish, but prefer a slushie. ;)
line out of Star Trek II about beaming into nowhere about a chance to get away from it all.Yeah, I suspect when the time comes, I'll be ready to just move on. :)
Oh yeah. It was BBS'ing which allowed me to leave Oklahoma & have a better life than if I'd stayed.That's good to hear. These stories need to be told. Maybe it's time for another BBS doco, or a book? ;)
Had a professor at a Baptist college in Oklahoma who got run off for being gay. Ended up teaching middle school English/drama at a publicThat's a nice story. Glad you were able to give him the thanks he deserved. He obviously appreciated it too.
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available and affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than say,
a country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.
So yeah, I'd say some part of the Trump voters are fucked if this virus gets loose in the US.
Did have some people come in to get actual dust masks to keep fromI wonder how many people will suddenly find out they're allergic to paper dustmasks :) I could never wear the suckers, I had to go for a
respirator with particulate filters over the top. I could wear them 1
With you there but I find there are times when you can't and then you
have to make sure you're not a speed hump but a genuine impedement....
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available and JM>> affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than say, JM>> a country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare. JM>>
So yeah, I'd say some part of the Trump voters are fucked if this virus JM>> gets loose in the US.
It is always a joy to see people from countries outside the US that
seem to
know more about the healthcare system than people that live in the US.
Everyone (even illegals) have access to healthcare in the US. Even
with no
insurance, anyone can go to the emergency room of any hospital for
"free"
treatment. A good percentage of people that are in hospitals in poor
areas
have no insurance, no money, and never pay a dime.
- Mark
That is what a free country is all about. You are free to do nothing
and get nothing, or do something and get something.
I live in a free country and get great universal health care
regardless of
income or job status. Never understood why that was a hard concept to grasp.
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available and affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than say, a country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.
That'd have to be 50% of the US wouldn't it?? chuckle.. capitalism at its best... nothing like the republic its meant to be.
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available and
affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than say,a
country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.
That'd have to be 50% of the US wouldn't it?? chuckle.. capitalism at
its
best... nothing like the republic its meant to be.
Spec
On 03-04-20 15:52, Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
I wonder how many people will suddenly find out they're allergic to
paper dustmasks :) I could never wear the suckers, I had to go for a respirator with
particulate filters over the top. I could wear them 1 day, everything would smell really strange, and then for the rest of the week it'd be
like I had a seriously bad headcold. Took a while to figure out it was the dustmasks. But its also meant to be a relatively common allergy
too according to the safety equipement people...
Did have some people come in to get actual dust masks to
keep from
I wonder how many people will suddenly find out they're
allergic to paper dustmasks :) I could never wear the suckers,
I had to go for a respirator with particulate filters over the
top. I could wear them 1
Knew about latex allergies...but never considered the masks.
Suggested to 1 guy to go to the local dollar store & get some
bandannas for a dollar which would help more.
On 03-04-20 21:09, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
They will also believe you when you tell them yellow snow tastes fantastic. ;)They might have a fetish, but prefer a slushie. ;)
They might like feet or other body parts...but I can easily learn to
use whips.
On 03-04-20 21:12, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
line out of Star Trek II about beaming into nowhere about a chance to get away from it all.Yeah, I suspect when the time comes, I'll be ready to just move on. :)
Really nothing to worry about. If you start helping others...you don't have time for death. Like what the Irish say at wakes about may you be
in heaven long before the Devil realizes you're in the wrong place.
Oh yeah. It was BBS'ing which allowed me to leave Oklahoma & have a better life than if I'd stayed.That's good to hear. These stories need to be told. Maybe it's time for another BBS doco, or a book? ;)
Not as many people will see it now...but hopefully the ones who do will remember it.
On 03-04-20 21:14, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Had a professor at a Baptist college in Oklahoma who got run off for being gay. Ended up teaching middle school English/drama at a publicThat's a nice story. Glad you were able to give him the thanks he deserved. He obviously appreciated it too.
Ya never know what impact you will have on anyone. Take It's a
Wonderful Life.
On 03-05-20 13:13, apam wrote to g00r00 <=-
I'm very thankful we have medicare in Australia, my wife works, I am
on a pension, and we can not afford health insurance. Without medicare we'd be screwed.
Unfortunatly people who are wealthy often don't understand being poor. Sure some people are lazy and doing drugs, but many just can't get the jobs that pay the big bucks, due to lack of skills, education, physical ability or whatever.
I think society in general often undervalues the work that people who
are working and still poor do, just numbers who work their buts off to stay poor.
On 03-04-20 22:32, Netsurge wrote to apam <=-
Studies have proven time and time again that "lazy" or on "drugs" is a tiny fraction of those who fall into the system. Healthcare, IMO,
should be a basic human right. Equal and best care of each other should
be our priority.
People who are "on drugs" tend to be people who mental illness, many
who self medicate to run away from their issues. These tend to be the people who need the help the most. This Darwinism theory that we should leave those people behind, the fittest survive model, just doesn't cut
it.
I live in a free country and get great universal health care
+1
Preach!
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in, but milliions upon millions of Americans work full time and cannot afford medical care. Not having medical care doesn't mean its because you're lazy and doing drugs, thats just an incredibly ridiculous statement.
Your claim that people abuse the system, going in for general illnesses,
is a strawman.
Point taken, but at the same time we (or atleast me) outside the US read about people not being able to pay for cancer treatment or medication and and die from it. It doesn't really add up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor
I get really pissed off with those capitalists who think everything can
be fixed by working long hours. It doesn't always work like that.
True, not all. At this point in time if you are unemployed in the US,
you are not employable or not looking. Expections for those with real disabilities of course. Those in real need should always get it.
Many of these same millions that claim they can't afford medical
insurance have no problem forking out $600+ dollars on new iPhones each year. There are all types of plans out there all different
costs/coverage options. It is all in what is important to the
individual. To some, the latest iPhone and 80+" TVs are more important.
Is the sky blue or is that a strawman? No point is going down this road since you obviously ignore real data and legal medical acts that have
been around for many years in the US.
It's not even the capitalists that get me. What
I don't understand is the flagrant cruelty in the
system and why they seem to cheer on hurting
people. There is this attitude of, "I got mine,
so screw you" with respect to those less fortunate
than themselves.
When I was in the Marine Corps, we had socialized
medicine and it was great. I didn't feel good? I
went to my chain of command and went to sick call.
The Navy docs fixed us right up. The care was
excellent and it didn't cost me a dime. Well, there
was the time I told the Corpsman I would punch him
in the face if he missed my vein a fourth time
giving me an IV when I was in for kidney stones,
but someone more senior took over, stuck me, and it
was fine.
How much health insurance does $600 buy?
The link that you shared refuted your argument that people go to the ER for common health ailments. And you refused to provide one datum to support your argument. So ... that, sir, is a strawman argument.
I was in the military and have the same impression. My health care in the military was best in the country.
Some are also "neurodivergent", and use drugs and/or alcohol to cope
withe world. I "self medicate" too, but with sport and exercise,
rather than drugs and alcohol.
How should I wear it to be safe?:
I've spent most of my life on a low income and private insurance is simply not affordable, so Medicare has been a godsend for me as well. It's
not perfect, but it's a decent system.
I was in the military and have the same impression. My health care in military was best in the country.
Or out of the country when you were deployed, lol.
I get to purchase a new $600 iPhone and still get excellent health care with no additional cost. You could have both!
Or out of the country when you were deployed, lol.
Is moving your body self-medication or just what humans have done for
most of their history?
But this interferes with my worldview that dictates socialized health
care means you live in North Korea conditions.
Anyway why don't you pay for your own health insurance? Are you a lazy unemployed dope addict? An illegal immigrant???
Phoobar wrote to Spectre <=-
Had 1 guy throw a fit that I couldn't go 40 MPH on a 50 cc scooter. Explained to him there are two lanes...I have tags/insurance on my scooter...so I have as much of a right to be on the road as they do.
I was in the military and have the same impression. My health care inthe
military was best in the country.
Or out of the country when you were deployed, lol.
How much health insurance does $600 buy?
The link that you shared refuted your argument that people go to the ER
for common health ailments. And you refused to provide one datum to
support your argument. So ... that, sir, is a strawman argument.
That helps keep the morale up... wouldn't want to tell the troops,
she'll be right, break a leg we'll just leave you to walk home. On the flip side, much the same here, the vet;s seem to get forgotten once they get home...
No need to drag this conversation on with you anymore... My time is
worth more than this endless nonsense.
There is something we can both agree on.
On 03-06-20 03:20, tenser wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 05 Mar 2020 at 09:38p, Vk3jed pondered and said...
I get really pissed off with those capitalists who think everything can
be fixed by working long hours. It doesn't always work like that.
It's not even the capitalists that get me. What
I don't understand is the flagrant cruelty in the
system and why they seem to cheer on hurting
people. There is this attitude of, "I got mine,
so screw you" with respect to those less fortunate
than themselves.
But out in the civilian world? There's just
total disregard for the fact that the system
really is structured to punch you when you're
down, but no recognition that anyone can have
a couple of bad months and find themselves in
that situation.
On 03-05-20 14:09, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 21:45:00 +1100
"Vk3jed -> Netsurge" <0@109.1.21> wrote:
Some are also "neurodivergent", and use drugs and/or alcohol to cope
withe world. I "self medicate" too, but with sport and exercise,
rather than drugs and alcohol.
Is moving your body self-medication or just what humans have done for
most of their history?
On 03-05-20 22:27, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hmm its funny, in my parents generation they all had private health
cover. In fact my Mother still has it, although I have no idea how she actually pays for it. When working a real job I've had it... it was
the only thing that allowed me to get any work done on my back.... Otherwise you end up on a never never waiting list, unless you're
dieing.
The rest of my life, I haven't been able to figure out a, the value in it... b,
what else I would give up to be able to afford it. Minimum cost is something like $70AU I'd have to go on a serious diet to pay for
that...
On 03-05-20 18:38, Spectre wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
I live in a free country and get great universal health care
+1
I couldn't say its still true, but at one time if you were sick the
place you wanted to be was russia. Or for arguments sake after the
nukes went off.. They
a far larger number of facilities for healthcare than anywhere else in the world. Sure maybe not as advanced as some, and I wouldn't got for political aspects.... But almost any country with some sort of
socialist bent looks after
its citizens better than capitalists. At least in the healthcare
Many of these same millions that claim they can't afford medical...
insurance have no problem forking out $600+ dollars on new iPhones each
individual. To some, the latest iPhone and 80+" TVs are more important.
I'm very thankful we have medicare in Australia, my wife works, I am
on a pension, and we can not afford health insurance. Without medicare we'd be screwed.
Unfortunatly people who are wealthy often don't understand being poor. Sure some people are lazy and doing drugs, but many just can't get the jobs that pay the big bucks, due to lack of skills, education, physical ability or whatever.
On 03-06-20 10:53, g00r00 wrote to Weatherman <=-
One of my roommates actually fucking died. He had what we thought was
a really bad flu, but he couldn't afford the visit to the ER because
it'd be thousands upon thousands of dollars we obviously didn't have.
This was par for the course though for us, you get sick, and you fight through it without a doctor because you can't afford it.
Only this time it turned out he had a blood infection, his body
eventually went into septic shock and his heart stopped. He died right there. And this was a 100% preventable outcome if he had health insurance. He was my best fucking friend, and this isn't bullshit I
can provide the obituary.
I am glad to hear you are able to be convered! And congratulations on your twins!
Anyway, sorry for the rant ;) I'm glad you are doing okay!
I wonder how many people will suddenly find out they're allergic to
paper dustmasks :) I could never wear the suckers, I had to go for a respirator with
particulate filters over the top. I could wear them 1 day,
everything would smell really strange, and then for the rest of the
week it'd be like I had a
seriously bad headcold. Took a while to figure out it was the
dustmasks. But its also meant to be a relatively common allergy too according to the safety
equipement people...
Its mind blowing that you could re-read your own statements and think they are based off on any bit of reality. I just hope you'll educate yourself someday for the sake of everyone.
You're right...I don't listen/read the BS known as US news media. I am actually more informed than many like yourself because I don't swallow US propaganda which allow the orange POS get elected.
My mom suffered with skin irritations for decades. It got to the
point where the skin on her scalp would harden and scar. No amount
Only this time it turned out he had a blood infection, his body
eventually went into septic shock and his heart stopped. He died right there. And this was a 100% preventable outcome if he had health insurance. He was my best fucking friend, and this isn't bullshit I can provide the obituary.
Wake up for your own sake, man.
It is apparent that we have different experiences regarding this conversation. While I'm sure there are loads of red tape regarding
getting assistance, there are many US federal and state/local programs that offer assistance. Food, housing, medical, etc. No one should be dieing on the streets.
On 03-06-20 13:22, shinobi wrote to Phoobar <=-
10 lessons from Asia on how to live with a coronavirus outbreak
Coronavirus will probably affect you. How you can prepare
That'd have to be 50% of the US wouldn't it?? chuckle.. capitalism at best... nothing like the republic its meant to be.Preach!
The land of plenty.country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.That'd have to be 50% of the US wouldn't it?? chuckle.. capitalism at its
best... nothing like the republic its meant to be.
Avon wrote to All <=-
Well it made it to New Zealand, we have one case so far after someone
flew back from visiting people in Iran.
The government here has closed the borders now to people coming in from both China and Iran
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV news. :(
ryan wrote to Avon <=-
A couple weeks ago I had a flight from Frankfurt to San Francisco and a guy one row up was coughing his head off the whole time. Pissed me off. Least the guy could do was wear a mask...I think those should be
mandatory for anyone displaying signs of illness on a flight.
Captain Obvious wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
I operate six restaurants. On an easy day I come in contact with
probably 300 people and that's if I don't move around much that day.
IDK. With all of the unusual border closings and quarantines I am
scared shitless right now.
Weatherman wrote to Ryan <=-
Yeah, it's looking that way. I live in Santa Clara county, California, where we have a few confirmed cases (I think). This is going to suck for everyone :/
Spring is just around the corner. My completely non-professional
analysis is as the wetaher warms up, the virus will start to dissipate.
Some believe this is due to higher humidity in the warmer times of
year which leads to thicker air. That makes transmission of germs more difficult through the air.
Come on spring!!!
Captain Obvious wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
kidney stones every couple of years. Thank goodness those aren't transmittable.
Anyone read me?
On 03-06-20 10:00, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Avon <=-
There was some panic buying in supermarkets today reported on the
nightly TV news. :(
Sad times... Scary too...
Yep :)
Had 1 guy throw a fit that I couldn't go 40 MPH on a 50 cc scooter.I suppose at that point if it's registered and licensed it's a
motorcycle, not a motor-assisted bicycle.
Mopeds in the strict sense around here don't require a license and are limited to 30mph. I'd love to revisit my youth, I'm sure in my present state 30mph wouldn't be a possibility. :)
Some of the news speak (when it's friday)...
10 lessons from Asia on how to live with a coronavirus outbreak Coronavirus will probably affect you. How you can prepare
Anyone read me?
PS: Sorry for using this thread for another purpose.
Nothing seems to be the issue, fidepoll connects, finds nothing... and
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-
Spring is just around the corner. My completely non-professional
analysis is as the wetaher warms up, the virus will start to dissipate.
Some believe this is due to higher humidity in the warmer times of
year which leads to thicker air. That makes transmission of germs more difficult through the air.
Good point!
Come on spring!!!
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Captain Obvious <=-
I operate six restaurants. On an easy day I come in contact with
probably 300 people and that's if I don't move around much that day.
IDK. With all of the unusual border closings and quarantines I am
scared shitless right now.
I'm concerned, but not 'scared'
Phoobar wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
It sure is...debtor jails for medical debt...more prisoners in lockup
to make China/North Korea envious. American exceptionalism at it's
best.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
The Spanish Flu dissipated in the Spring with the warmer weather, everyone's quoting that. What they're not quoting was that it came back with a vengeance in the fall of 1918.
ia-intl-hnk- scli/index.html
10 lessons from Asia on how to live with a coronavirus outbreak
Coronavirus will probably affect you. How you can prepare
1] Be transparent with the public
2] Conduct social distancing
3] Be ahead of the game
4] Get tested early
5] Spread good hygiene practices
6] Offer employees flexible working arrangements
7] Don't panic buy
8] Don't be afraid of your pets
9] Don't stigmatize patients
10] And finally -- don't panic
Good luck & take care
|08Shinobi <.Phenom.>
|08
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On 03-08-20 09:46, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Perhaps they'll have a vaccine for this one by the fall, or at least
have figured out a way to treat it... Perhaps they have a way, but
waiting for it to get to higher penetration. Treatment makes way
more money that curing...
Blue White wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
I'm concerned, but not 'scared'
I was not until last evening. I got a message from someone I used to
work with. I still work with a family member of theirs. That family member lives with one of their other kids. That other kid, despite
offers of full refunds, decided not to cancel their vacation to a
country that is only behind China in number of cases. They left
knowing this was going on and came back yesterday.
No one at work knows that this kid spent two weeks overseas because
their parent did not want to tell anyone. This parent has a tendency
to "close talk" people, including myself, because they gossip a lot.
Now I have to make a decision whether or not I (1) share this
information and/or (2) become "that paranoid guy who won't let anyone
in his office."
I wish we were smart like NZ and closed our borders, but that would
upset the overly-sensitive members of our population. :(
It is apparent that we have different experiences regarding this conversation. While I'm sure there are loads of red tape regarding
getting assistance, there are many US federal and state/local programs that offer assistance. Food, housing, medical, etc. No one should be dieing on the streets.
The US does not have debtors prisons. In the case I am familiar with,
have figured out a way to treat it... Perhaps they have a way, but
waiting for it to get to higher penetration. Treatment makes way
more money that curing...
On 29 Feb 2020 at 11:57p, Don Rolo pondered and said...
Damn! we don't have any case yet in Argentina but Brasil has one reported, and they are close to us...
Don't know what to think about this...
I think it's still only one case here but some folks are going rather
nuts over this fact.
There is no way that we can contain this.
Yeah, it's looking that way. I live in Santa Clara county, California, where we have a few confirmed cases (I think). This is going to suck for everyone :/
I don't commute to work via subway or train and there is no way in hell I'm about to start with things they way they are right now.
You got nothing to worry about. It's just a hoax to damage Trump, says
OTOH, maybe you're like my wife. She's a kindergarten teacher and get exposed to all kinds of shit via all the kids she's a teacher for every day. She is hardly ever sick, probably because she is more or less
immune to a common cold that would take me out for weeks.
Yea, bat shit crazy in Oregon too... there was no potatoes. Nor ground beef. Nor bread; I mean ya couldn't even find wheat...
(It is honestly close to pandemonium in 'redneck america'..)
Funny part, NOW dumb 'murica will be ready to see the Trump Lies-- He should have just made sure the sheeple had all their food on Day 1. :P This is over the edge; the consensus in the Pacific Northwest. :P
I bet its fixing to look stupid across America. The public is 'DERP' over here...
for common health ailments. And you refused to provide one datum to r>> support your argument. So ... that, sir, is a strawman argument.The link that you shared refuted your argument that people go to the ER r>>
No need to drag this conversation on with you anymore... My time is
worth more
than this endless nonsense.
On 01 Mar 2020 at 11:11a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...
You got nothing to worry about. It's just a hoax to damage
Trump, says
The reaction by this Murica is prone to exactly what is going on. The
media is INSANE -- I haven't watched live TV lately, but watched NBC
News for Friday night 3/13/2020.. it is hysteria inducing, for idiot sheeple.
Sure theres a virus - but Corona isn't the one we should be worried about... look at the idiotic response to this ourbreak, and imagine
if it were Black Plague, 50% deathrate spread like this... they
wouldn't know how to handle people.
I hope the world and people will learn from it and will be better
prepared for the next (maybe deadlier) virus.
On 01 Mar 2020 at 08:10p, Avon pondered and said...
On 29 Feb 2020 at 11:57p, Don Rolo pondered and said...
Damn! we don't have any case yet in Argentina but Brasil has one reported, and they are close to us...
Don't know what to think about this...
I think it's still only one case here but some folks are going rather nuts over this fact.
Yea, bat shit crazy in Oregon too... there was no potatoes. Nor ground beef. Nor bread; I mean ya couldn't even find wheat...
(It is honestly close to pandemonium in 'redneck america'..)
Funny part, NOW dumb 'murica will be ready to see the Trump Lies-- He should have just made sure the sheeple had all their food on Day 1. :P This is over the edge; the consensus in the Pacific Northwest. :P
The reaction by this Murica is prone to exactly what is going on. The media is INSANE -- I haven't watched live TV lately, but watched NBC
News for Friday night 3/13/2020.. it is hysteria inducing, for idiot sheeple.
Sure theres a virus - but Corona isn't the one we should be worried about... look at the idiotic response to this ourbreak, and imagine if
it were Black Plague, 50% deathrate spread like this... they wouldn't
know how to handle people.
The smart people have to stand up for SOCIETY. Be smart. Don't spread it quicker than infastructure can handle, do your part.. but they should do theirs, and not FUCK UP the financial system of the WORLD. Derp.
M@STERMiND
I hope the world and people will learn from it and will be better prepared the next (maybe deadlier) virus.
The world will be much different after this virus... and is not going to be better. After the virus, prepare for an economic collapse... At least that's my opinion on the matter.
On the one hand, if this were easily contained early and nobody was really hurt, or the numbers of infected stayed low (in the US for example), all the people who have been saying that this is all a big overreaction would feel vindicated and we'd likely not harden our stance for the inevitable next one.
But at the same time, for us to truly take this seriously, unfortunately that can only be the result of a very bad outcome this time. It's a terrible catch-22 :(
That was a very graceful way to backpedal out of an argument you know you're going to loose.
On 29 Feb 2020 at 11:57p, Don Rolo pondered and said...
Damn! we don't have any case yet in Argentina but Brasil has one reported, and they are close to us...
Don't know what to think about this...
I think it's still only one case here but some folks are going rather nuts over this fact.
Yea, bat shit crazy in Oregon too... there was no potatoes. Nor ground beef. Nor bread; I mean ya couldn't even find wheat...
(It is honestly close to pandemonium in 'redneck america'..)
Funny part, NOW dumb 'murica will be ready to see the Trump Lies-- He should have just made sure the sheeple had all their food on Day 1. :P This is over the edge; the consensus in the Pacific Northwest. :P
I bet its fixing to look stupid across America. The public is 'DERP' over here...
I don't waste time on trolls. Keep your ignorance to yourself.
The rest of us feel the same way.
Just give me all your TP and we won't have an issue. :D
That was a very graceful way to backpedal out of an argument you
know you're going to loose.
I don't waste time on trolls. Keep your ignorance to yourself.
In FTNs the guys who call others trolls are most of the time the real
trolls (are from the North America, love Trump, hate Democrats and are easily triggered ...).
I hope the world and people will learn from it and will be better
prepared for the next (maybe deadlier) virus.
The world will be much different after this virus... and is not going to be better. After the virus, prepare for an economic collapse... At least that's my opinion on the matter.
Us "socialists" in Canada aren't facing a TP shortage. In other news, Canadian government shuts down the border to Americans looking for TP ;)
It's only reasonable that citizens in a country with widely available affordable healthcare will be able to handle this virus better than sa a country where poor and/or uninsured don't have access to healthcare.
So yeah, I'd say some part of the Trump voters are fucked if this viru gets loose in the US.
It is always a joy to see people from countries outside the US that seem to know more about the healthcare system than people that live in the US.
Everyone (even illegals) have access to healthcare in the US. Even with no insurance, anyone can go to the emergency room of any hospital for "free" treatment. A good percentage of people that are in hospitals in poor areas have no insurance, no money, and never pay a dime.
- Mark
“We are going to look at the uninsured because they have a big problem,†President Trump said
Tuesday. [1]
Makes no sense, if the uninsured were already fully covered ...
Uninsured doesn't mean they can't go to the emergency rooms anywhere in the country. They can also go to any doctors office if they pay for the visit, but in very low income areas they pay for nothing since they have nothing.
What typically happens is they end up going to their local ER to get
their free services for everything. Basically going to them at times
for things that anyone else would go to their local doctor or prompt
care.
Lot of good that does for preventive care. Yeah, let's fill up our emergency departments with people that need a nose swab to test for COV 19. This'll be easy to triage along with all the actual emergencies.
No one wants them in the ER for general illnesses. That doesn't stop
them from doing it since it is free to them.
People with disabilities are covered. Lazy people are not. If someone makes the choice to not work or lay around all day and do drugs, that is on them. They can get insurance if they work or want to purchase it.
That is what a free country is all about. You are free to do nothing
and get nothing, or do something and get something.
I live in a free country and get great universal health care regardless income or job status. Never understood why that was a hard concept to grasp.
Everyone has their own perception of what is great. I'll take my private insurance healthcare vs. any government run healthcare any day of the week.
No one wants them in the ER for general illnesses. That doesn't sto them from doing it since it is free to them.
Data, please, otherwise this is a strawman.
It is a USA law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor
Hospitals in low income areas routinely get an abundance of "no pays" in the ER for things like the flu, being drunk, on drugs, etc.
News flash: Not all unemployed or underemployed people are lazy. If tha going to be your argument, show me with data the demographics of people who do this or you're invoking another strawman.
True, not all. At this point in time if you are unemployed in the US,
you are not employable or not looking. Expections for those with real disabilities of course. Those in real need should always get it.
Sounds like Somalia, a country I got to visit early summer of last year Sounds like a goddamn libertarian utopia over there. Everyone is armed there are no taxes or government services. Hoorah!
Huh? For those that want the government to run everything, there are a few countries left. China and North Korea would be the best bets.
I have friends, with real jobs and insurance, who have been brought to financial ruin due to routine family illness.
Agreed and that is what needs to be fixed. With unlimited medical spending accounts for starters. There should be no limits to what can
be put in untaxed medical savings accounts and it should roll-over year
to year. These are things congress should be working on instead of wasting everyone's time and money screwing with our President. They should be doing their jobs. Otherwise, they are useless.
And you're pretty fucked if you are self-employed (until recently, I wa To buy coverage on the "open market" that isn't a junk/low-coverage policy, my fam was paying *$1,800 USD a month* for that privilege. I'm a corporate plan now, and yeah, that helps. But as a recent small busin owner--it's impossible to provide a competitive level of employer-sponsored coverage without being a mature company. At least in non-VC world.
Yes, small companies are screwed with high premiums and stuck with the "Obamacare" rediculously high/expensive and cover nothing health plans.
Yeah, poor people go to the ER in the US when they don't want to die in the street. I guess you can say that's what freedom is all about, but I don't think that's really what it is. Pretty generalized and callous, I
I'm for people helping themselves. Call it empowerment or whatever.
Like a good parent, teach them how to help themselves and have a
positive life. Not sit around and expect everything to be free like the ilusion some have when growing up.
I am not sure what alternate reality you live in, but milliions upon millions of Americans work full time and cannot afford medical care. No having medical care doesn't mean its because you're lazy and doing drug thats just an incredibly ridiculous statement.
Many of these same millions that claim they can't afford medical
insurance have no problem forking out $600+ dollars on new iPhones each year. There are all types of plans out there all different
costs/coverage options. It is all in what is important to the
individual. To some, the latest iPhone and 80+" TVs are more important.
Point taken, but at the same time we (or atleast me) outside the US re about people not being able to pay for cancer treatment or medication and die from it. It doesn't really add up.
One of the challenges that still exists today is some people get "lost
in the system". Basically not getting the proper information, guidance
to the proper assistance or programs, etc. That happens even more with our government run healthcare, the VA for veterans. It can be a challenging maze to get through and not fun when dealing with medical issues. It should be easier.
Nothing is perfect and there is always room for improvement.
Its mind blowing that you could re-read your own statements and think t are based off on any bit of reality. I just hope you'll educate yoursel someday for the sake of everyone.
It is apparent that we have different experiences regarding this conversation. While I'm sure there are loads of red tape regarding
getting assistance, there are many US federal and state/local programs that offer assistance. Food, housing, medical, etc. No one should be dieing on the streets.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
The Spanish Flu dissipated in the Spring with the warmer weather, everyone's quoting that. What they're not quoting was that it came ba with a vengeance in the fall of 1918.
Perhaps they'll have a vaccine for this one by the fall, or at least
have figured out a way to treat it... Perhaps they have a way, but
waiting for it to get to higher penetration. Treatment makes way
more money that curing...
Think your timing is off...already happening in some parts of the world.
So I don't know where you get your information that they are getting healthcare for free. That's a load of BS. You might should listen to somebody who actually knows what they are talking about.
I've heard that a few people who have recovered from the virus have become reinfected. If a vaccine is just a small level of infection, doesn't that mean that it won't work to prevent further infections?
Tell me about it. In Greece we are in an economic crisis since 2008... but i think that in the near future the economic crisis of 2008 will look
like nothing, :?
Think your timing is off...already happening in some parts of the worTell me about it. In Greece we are in an economic crisis since 2008...
but i think that in the near future the economic crisis of 2008 will
look like nothing, :?
On 03-17-20 00:35, Spectre wrote to Gryphon <=-
Out of interest theres also meant to be multiple strains of covid which while the information here says they're all much the same and should
all respond the same, doesn't mean having one will immunise you against the rest.
On 03-16-20 11:46, Phoobar wrote to xqtr <=-
Think your timing is off...already happening in some parts of the worTell me about it. In Greece we are in an economic crisis since 2008...
but i think that in the near future the economic crisis of 2008 will
look like nothing, :?
I would suggest you head into mainline Europe...such as Norway & such before it's too late. Eventually...the EU countries are going to close their borders...no matter how loud Brussels screams about it.
There are many coronaviruses, and we've all had at least some of them during our lives, because many common colds are caused by one of several strains of coronavirus. But the coronavirus that is causing the issues
in the world is a specfic new strain known as nCoV-sars2 (I may have
that backwards).
On 03-16-20 18:22, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There are many coronaviruses, and we've all had at least some of them during our lives, because many common colds are caused by one of several strains of coronavirus. But the coronavirus that is causing the issues
in the world is a specfic new strain known as nCoV-sars2 (I may have
that backwards).
Yep...and there are two strains of the current pandemic as well :)
The coronaviruses that cause colds are specific to humans, and
On 03-17-20 13:17, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The coronaviruses that cause colds are specific to humans, and
This was a mention of covid-19 variants specifically. The one in Iran while related and essentially the same was different to what was
popping up in europe
for arguments sake. We'll have to hope it doesn't get up to, to much hanky panky and mutation. Maybe it'll become the T-virus ;)
I would suggest you head into mainline Europe...such as Norway & such before it's too late. Eventually...the EU countries are going to close their borders...no matter how loud Brussels screams about it.
before it's too late. Eventually...the EU countries are going to clos their borders...no matter how loud Brussels screams about it.Europe as a bloc have closed their borders for 30 days now.
It all ready happened. Many EU countries have closed their borders and even flights to countries that don't share borders. Italy, Spain,
Austria, Albania, Greece, Turkey and more, are more or less isolated between them and other countries.
On 03-17-20 00:22, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
before it's too late. Eventually...the EU countries are going to clos their borders...no matter how loud Brussels screams about it.Europe as a bloc have closed their borders for 30 days now.
WOW! Didn't expect this...but will find out more tomorrow morning when
I listen to Reuters & the CBC.
Thanks for alerting me to what's happening.
Gryphon wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
On 08 Mar 2020 &4, Jimmy Anderson said the following...
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
The Spanish Flu dissipated in the Spring with the warmer weather, everyone's quoting that. What they're not quoting was that it came ba with a vengeance in the fall of 1918.
Perhaps they'll have a vaccine for this one by the fall, or at least
have figured out a way to treat it... Perhaps they have a way, but
waiting for it to get to higher penetration. Treatment makes way
more money that curing...
I've heard that a few people who have recovered from the virus have
become reinfected. If a vaccine is just a small level of infection, doesn't that mean that it won't work to prevent further infections?
You're welcome. :)their borders...no matter how loud Brussels screams about it.Europe as a bloc have closed their borders for 30 days now.
WOW! Didn't expect this...but will find out more tomorrow morning whe I listen to Reuters & the CBC.
Thanks for alerting me to what's happening.
On 03-18-20 18:17, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Glad you told me. I would've been caught off guard on the newscasts at
3 AM this morning.
Don't know why I'm surprised...but was kind of caught off guard with
the news that the US/Canada have been in discussions on closing our Northern border. This time...it's Canada doing what it can to protect themselves from the Americans making their disease situation worse. Add onto that Canadian insurance companies are cancelling health insurance within 10 days...if they don't leave the US & use Canadian health care.
Even read Europeans are alerting their students to return home from the
US because of lack of proper medical care. Another example of American Exceptionalism where it's exceptional to screw everyone you can to make yourself rich.
On 03-17-20 00:35, Spectre wrote to Gryphon <=-
Out of interest theres also meant to be multiple strains of covid whi while the information here says they're all much the same and should all respond the same, doesn't mean having one will immunise you again the rest.
There are many coronaviruses, and we've all had at least some of them during our lives, because many common colds are caused by one of several strains of coronavirus. But the coronavirus that is causing the issues
in the world is a specfic new strain known as nCoV-sars2 (I may have
that backwards).
The coronaviruses that cause colds are specific to humans, and they've evolved to spread rapidly, rather than causing serious disease to the
host (which is why colds go round and round ;) ). The pandemic coronavirus is theorised to have jumped from bats to humans via an as
yet unknown intermediate host animal.
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Australians are being urged to return home, regardless of what country they're in. I suspect within 2 weeks it won't be possible to return anyway, as flights stop entirely.
On 03-19-20 15:19, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
no, you're right... and theres two strains, L & S that have mutated
since the outbreak happened... they're describing both as the same, but
i think they're forgetting to tell us to worry about that bit... get through the first issues, eh?
im not ready to jump off the cliff yet, but i think this is much much
more than the flu. im sheltering in place...
On 03-18-20 19:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Remember hearing or reading something that when flights were not flying because of 9/11/2001 that the weather started doing strange things not seen in decades. Would love to see if this were true.
Remember hearing or reading something that when flights were not flying because of 9/11/2001 that the weather started doing strange things not seen in decades. Would love to see if this were true.
On 01 Mar 2020 at 11:09a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...
I don't commute to work via subway or train and there is no way in hell
I'm about to start with things they way they are right now.
I hadn't thought about that; I don't use mass transit, but it would be
a
driver of virus.
M@STERMiND
I've seen that too. Got a video about here somewhere... It was a cross between global warming and cooling... Jets leave rather large contrails that cover an area from solar radiation and reflect it. After a few
days they start to clear and temperatures started to rise in line with previously failed global warming predictions or close there to. If I recall right, it was 2.5 degree spike in 2 days...
I hate to bring this up...but with the right-wingers dreaming of this happening any way possible...do you think they will be setting up their own places to recreate history of the 1930's?
Above all...stay safe!
Glad you told me. I would've been caught off guard on the newscasts at 3 AM this morning.
Don't know why I'm surprised...but was kind of caught off guard with the news that the US/Canada have been in discussions on closing our Northern border. This time...it's Canada doing what it can to protect themselves from the Americans making their disease situation worse. Add onto that Canadian insurance companies are cancelling health insurance within 10 days...if they don't leave the US & use Canadian health care.
Even read Europeans are alerting their students to return home from the
US because of lack of proper medical care. Another example of American Exceptionalism where it's exceptional to screw everyone you can to make yourself rich.
Happy to help. I'm not surprised at all. We're going to be literally
cut off from the world within days, as major airlines stop international flights completely. And the state of Tasmania is also implementing further quarantine measures from the mainland.
Australians are being urged to return home, regardless of what country they're in. I suspect within 2 weeks it won't be possible to return anyway, as flights stop entirely.
... At least down here you can still smoke in bars. -Satan
On 03-19-20 15:19, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
no, you're right... and theres two strains, L & S that have mutated since the outbreak happened... they're describing both as the same, b i think they're forgetting to tell us to worry about that bit... get through the first issues, eh?
im not ready to jump off the cliff yet, but i think this is much much more than the flu. im sheltering in place...
There's been very little reported about the different strains anywhere. Do you have a link to information on that?
employees are placed at home). Little do they know that I have a letter from my doctor stating I should NOT be working in a open office environment in the middle of the city. They are problably going to
force me to call in sick which I can since the Swedish government now allows for us to stay at home for two weeks straight without any
documents from a doctor or anything like that with 75% of my salary.
the republicans are going to PUSH thru their stimulus package, said to be skewed towards the corporations...
i think our gov will land somewhere in line with taking care of the [needy] population; those of us that have our shit together, in the
middle of the pack, are going to get fucked like always...
On 03-20-20 19:35, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
man. the united states has went to level 4 travel ban too... telling
all citizens to get back to the US NOW; before they cant... they cant control other governments and you might be stuck. california is now in
an enforced state wide lockdown; california anticipates 56% covid-19 infection rate within 2 months...
who knew that BBSes and fsxNET would document history; keep sharing,
all my human brothers... and godspeed to you and everyone in your
country.
On 03-20-20 19:44, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yes, lemm grab it. i've posted other sources here about different
topics, too... all i know is it is serious, real and to be heeded:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/04/discovery-of-2-str ains-of
-covid-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/#7d1ea84f7094
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify- two-typ
es-covid-19.html
there are others to be found; also plenty of articles saying mutation
ISNT a big deal... but no one knows. thats the issue....
yes; they're doing so tonight by trying to push thru a stimulus package designed by the republicans only. the dems are the minority, and we're
in a national emergency... they'll get their agendas pushed thru. i cant believe WE let ourselves get here...
it was all funny to have a reality star for prez - until america needed a real president.
my god; help us.
remember, us bbs folk are from the world; we are all in this together. that being said, continue to share whats happening... i will too; i want to know how other countries are handling this and what they're saying about the situation... thanks for sharing about whats being said for
folks to get home.
you're going to loose.That was a very graceful way to backpedal out of an argument you know JM>>
I don't waste time on trolls.
I don't waste time on trolls. Keep your ignorance to yourself.
The rest of us feel the same way.
On 03-20-20 19:44, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yes, lemm grab it. i've posted other sources here about
different topics, too... all i know is it is serious, real and
to be heeded:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/04/discovery-of-2-str
ains-of
-covid-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/#7d1ea84f7094
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-
two-typ
es-covid-19.html
If you tinyURL them, it would be appreciated, stitching these up is a
pain!
I don't waste time on trolls. Keep your ignorance to
yourself.
The rest of us feel the same way.
The sudden infusion of MAGA morons to FSXNet has certainly made
things less nice around here.
I'll show myself out.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:36:55 GMT
"Joacim Melin -> Netsurge" <0@130.2.21> wrote:
I don't waste time on trolls. Keep your ignorance to
yourself.
The rest of us feel the same way.
The sudden infusion of MAGA morons to FSXNet has certainly made
things less nice around here.
I'll show myself out.
I have the impression not much has changed since I joined FSXnet half
a year
ago. There was some time when they were a bit more silent, but AFAIK
none of
the MAGA idiots are new here.
If you tinyURL them, it would be appreciated, stitching these up is a pain!
there are others to be found; also plenty of articles saying mutation ISNT a big deal... but no one knows. thats the issue....
Yes, the biggest issue might be specificity of vaccines (when they come).
The only way we will ever know what's going on is if you turn off any
type of American news & start finding out about the rest of the world.
The sad part is if you look at the number of shortwave stations 20-30 years ago & now...we really have no way of knowing what's going on if we can't access non-US news.
mastermind wrote to Phoobar <=-
yes; they're doing so tonight by trying to push thru a stimulus
package designed by the republicans only. the dems are the
minority, and we're in a national emergency... they'll get their
agendas pushed thru. i cant believe WE let ourselves get here...
it was all funny to have a reality star for prez - until america
needed a real president.
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be
in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
mastermind wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be
in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
Ok... again, im standing with all my fellow HUMANS of every
country;
however, im glad that i am in my home country of America. yes, we
have our own unique challenges and downfalls while navigating
this COViD-19, but im still proud to be an American and wouldnt
want to fight this anywhere else.
that doesnt mean i dont see shit that makes me wish all Americans
would join this fight immediately.
i agree, and have been researching for the past couple weeks. with our internet, there is access to plenty of news - BUT its sparse... funny
too, how i find different things by use of a VPN.... hmmmmmm, right?
Well, yeah... but it would seem that you wouldn't be so quick to criticize everything-American, either.
On 03-20-20 10:08, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The URLs shouldn't be wrapped in the first place. This line is a long
line without line breaks:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/04/discovery-of-2-str ains-of
-covid-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/
On 03-21-20 02:10, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If you tinyURL them, it would be appreciated, stitching these up is a pain!
i'll try to do that in the future, altho its a learning curve - i can figure it out.
and i agree with you; im totally trying NOT to be conspirast... (or, realist??) about mutations - but yes, i just dont think were being
given all the info about the possibilities. sure, some of which is
because THEY DONT KNOW, but scary all the same.
Us "socialists" in Canada aren't facing a TP shortage. In other news, Canadian government shuts down the border to Americans looking for TP ;)
The URLs shouldn't be wrapped in the first place. This line is a long line
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
know anything about urls or trying to do 120/132 cols....The URLs shouldn't be wrapped in the first place. This line is a long lineWraps at 80cols here... but then with such antique software it doesn't
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
Does it hurt your feelings? Maybe you should work on having a thicker skin. You probably like to call people snowflakes don't you?
I personally don't have a shortage of TP, however every store in the area seems to. You can still send me some via any ground shipping method though. ;)
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Well, yeah... but it would seem that you wouldn't be so quick to
criticize everything-American, either.
Does it hurt your feelings? Maybe you should work on having a
thicker skin. You probably like to call people snowflakes don't
you?
On 03-21-20 08:58, Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
On 03-21-20 13:03, alterego wrote to Spectre <=-
I think Oli means, that if you are using a wider terminal, then it shouldnt still be wrapped at 80 lines.
On 03-21-20 13:07, alterego wrote to Spectre <=-
Re: Re: Corona Virus
By: Spectre to Gamgee on Sat Mar 21 2020 08:58 am
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
Or the space station. Oh, wait, the earth is flat and its fake?... ;P ...deon
Stop projecting garbage that I didn't say or imply.
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
Might as well be in lockdown here, too confining in that climate.
:/
skin. You probably like to call people snowflakes don't you?
Ummmmm, It's actual Buttercup ;)
On 03-21-20 18:34, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Its not meant to be that bad. I don't think you'll get to much track
in, but you may be able to swap some of it for ice skating, cross
country skiing.
On 03-20-20 10:08, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The URLs shouldn't be wrapped in the first place. This line is
a long line without line breaks:
They are wrapped by necessity of having to fit them on the screen
(i.e. in display). And BBSs don't have clickable links, so they have
to be pieced together, since they have to be copied and pasted from
the screen in text mode.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/04/discovery-of-2-str
ains-of
-covid-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/
An example above...
On 03-21-20 11:45, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My terminal detects links automatically even if they are wrapped and I
can open/copy it with a right mouse click. Marking a wrapped text is
also not a problem.
I agree that a shorter URL makes it a bit easier, but I don't like
relying on other services and I also don't like clicking on shortened
URLs that redirect me to an unknown website. This is not Twitter.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/04/discovery-of-2-str
ains-of
-covid-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/
An example above...
This is done by Mystic BBS, which is wrapping everything in-transit.
The link was perfectly unwrapped when it left my system.
Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Remember hearing or reading something that when flights were not flying because of 9/11/2001 that the weather started doing strange things not seen in decades. Would love to see if this were true.
Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER* be in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
I need to go into my office this week, it's right on the flight path to San Jose airport. It'll be interesting to see the drop in traffic this week.
I had to go from Palo Alto to Sac and back last week and didn't hit any noticeable traffic the entire way. I was also driving during rush hour
at one point, and the quickest route took me across the bridge to
Fremont, all the way up to Oakland, and northeast from there...crazy.
Kind of nice, actually.
Same here. Yes, there are issues, but in the end, I'm betting my
chances of getting through this are better here than anywhere else
I know of.
mastermind wrote to Gamgee <=-
Same here. Yes, there are issues, but in the end, I'm betting my
chances of getting through this are better here than anywhere else
I know of.
i think the most important thing is being where home is to YOU.
where are you from again? i think its ok that the best place may
be different areas, for each individual... i do hope we get a
wrap around this thing; and am sure the different locales will
fair thru, and fight against is in different ways. godspeed to
you and yours...
So, with all that's going on, which country would you *RATHER*
be in (instead of the USA)? Serious question.
Doing a 12month working stint in Antarctica....
How about a mountain retreat? Peru? South America seems behind the
Corona curve.
I noticed the decline in airliners flying overhead last week. The number of private jets was unchanged.
I need to go into my office this week, it's right on the flight path to San Jose airport. It'll be interesting to see the drop in traffic this week.
Berkeley/Albany area was teeming with people just walking around, shopping, chatting--even saw two dudes shaking hands--most of them 60+ by the look of it. Not so much social distancing happening there lol.
Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Remember hearing or reading something that when flights were not flying
because of 9/11/2001 that the weather started doing strange things not
seen in decades. Would love to see if this were true.
I noticed the decline in airliners flying overhead last week. The
number of
private jets was unchanged.
I need to go into my office this week, it's right on the flight path
to San
Jose airport. It'll be interesting to see the drop in traffic this
week.
Even read Europeans are alerting their students to return home from the
US because of lack of proper medical care. Another example of American Exceptionalism where it's exceptional to screw everyone you can to make yourself rich.
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