• Elton John

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 12:17:32
    Hi all

    Hope things are trucking along OK in your part of the globe.

    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!) and sadly the weather was lousy so
    we were drowned rats when when arrived and then the same by the time we made
    it back to our car to drive home. A long day (I was up at 6am and we got to
    bed around midnight) so am tired today. Last day of work this week. Tomorrow
    is a public holiday and I have taken Friday off as annual leave.

    It's noon Thursday and the work day is dragging a bit. Best I eat some luch
    and get a walk outside done before the day is done.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 15:47:34
    Hope things are trucking along OK in your part of the globe.

    So far so good. A little white and windy for my liking but that's how it
    goes..

    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our

    Awesome! I have always wanted to see Elton John but it has never
    happened, not yet anyway and as the years go by it's getting less likely
    but I'm glad you made the gig.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Avon on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 16:56:13
    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!)

    Remember Jeff Foxworthy talking about seeing The Eagles when they were doing
    a comeback. Mentioned that instead of pot smoke a former roommate told me
    about when he saw them in 1980...that smell of Metamucil was even more over powering. ;)

    Used to have a deacon at a church tell me that getting old isn't for sissies. The only thing I hate about getting old is if I'm getting up out of my chair...gotta turn up the TV to cover the sound of my bones creaking.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 12:41:00
    Hope things are trucking along OK in your part of the globe.

    So far so good. A little white and windy for my liking but that's how it goes..

    I seem to be in the middle of the next set of failures... SD Card in the pi seems to be going now...I can still run etch on it to image it, I can't read it
    off again after modifying it, and every time you reboot the thing its dead. Of
    course, I can't find the other one I have here somewhere.. So I've had to settle for backing up what I can, and remembering to reinstall the new stuff for the thermometer...

    Aside from the that and the rest of the "interesting" times, its all good :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 13:30:00
    On 02-05-20 12:17, Avon wrote to All <=-

    Hi all

    Hope things are trucking along OK in your part of the globe.

    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!) and sadly the weather was lousy so we were drowned rats when when arrived and then the same
    by the time we made it back to our car to drive home. A long day (I was
    up at 6am and we got to bed around midnight) so am tired today. Last
    day of work this week. Tomorrow is a public holiday and I have taken Friday off as annual leave.

    I've heard good things about the Elton John concerts, but never went. I know when he was in these parts, I was at the Vic Country championships.

    It's noon Thursday and the work day is dragging a bit. Best I eat some luch and get a walk outside done before the day is done.

    Hmm, I know you're ahead, but I thought it was only 2 hours, not a whole day! It's only 1:26PM Wednesday here. ;)

    As for what's happening here, I've survived the Vic Countries activity "spike", which ended with the fire brigade competitions on Sunday. Now back in full training and trucking along well. It's a month out from my run of major competitions, which starts on March 7.

    BBS wise, my system is temporarily down as I type this, as I am doing a routine backup/SD card replacement. By the time you see this message, I'll be back up and running as normal. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 20:13:10
    On 04 Feb 2020 at 04:56p, Phoobar pondered and said...

    Used to have a deacon at a church tell me that getting old isn't for sissies. The only thing I hate about getting old is if I'm getting up
    out of my chair...gotta turn up the TV to cover the sound of my bones creaking.

    Hahahah... yep yep!

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 21:23:34
    On 05 Feb 2020 at 01:30p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    I've heard good things about the Elton John concerts, but never went. I know when he was in these parts, I was at the Vic Country championships.

    He's back in Australia soon after the next few concerts here in New Zealand. It's his final global tour so if you wanted to see him live, this is the one
    to seek out.

    It's noon Thursday and the work day is dragging a bit. Best I eat som luch and get a walk outside done before the day is done.

    Hmm, I know you're ahead, but I thought it was only 2 hours, not a whole day! It's only 1:26PM Wednesday here. ;)

    ..and that's what happens when you go to work tired the day after a late
    night watching Elton John :) Whoops..

    As for what's happening here, I've survived the Vic Countries activity "spike", which ended with the fire brigade competitions on Sunday. Now back in full training and trucking along well. It's a month out from my run of major competitions, which starts on March 7.

    Well pace yourself... here we have the NZ Masters Games taking place in
    Dunedin from 1-7th Feb. The city is buzzing with lots of competition and athletes. Plus the Elton John concert and next week Queen are playing here
    too. Yes I'm going :)

    BBS wise, my system is temporarily down as I type this, as I am doing a routine backup/SD card replacement. By the time you see this message, I'll be back up and running as normal. :)

    Well done, yep I've just updated Agency and NET 1 HUB to the final build of Mystic A44, just working on the wiki and hatching out files to nodes in
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 20:00:00
    On 02-05-20 21:23, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    He's back in Australia soon after the next few concerts here in New Zealand. It's his final global tour so if you wanted to see him live,
    this is the one to seek out.

    Ahh, OK. Highly unlikely for that to happen, especially this time of year.

    Hmm, I know you're ahead, but I thought it was only 2 hours, not a whole day! It's only 1:26PM Wednesday here. ;)

    ..and that's what happens when you go to work tired the day after a
    late night watching Elton John :) Whoops..

    Hahaha good one. ;)

    Well pace yourself... here we have the NZ Masters Games taking place in Dunedin from 1-7th Feb. The city is buzzing with lots of competition
    and athletes. Plus the Elton John concert and next week Queen are
    playing here too. Yes I'm going :)

    Yeah, I recall seeing something about the Masters Games over there. Again, Dunedin jumped the gun on me, I wasn't quite ready to make the trip over. I do have money coming, but not in time.

    BBS wise, my system is temporarily down as I type this, as I am doing a routine backup/SD card replacement. By the time you see this message, I'll be back up and running as normal. :)

    Well done, yep I've just updated Agency and NET 1 HUB to the final
    build of Mystic A44, just working on the wiki and hatching out files to nodes in fsxNet connected to the Mystic file bases.

    All back now, and I upgraded the Mystic system to A44 just before too. :)


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Spectre on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 04:16:12
    I seem to be in the middle of the next set of failures... SD Card
    in the pi seems to be going now...I can still run etch on it to
    image it, I can't read it off again after modifying it, and every
    time you reboot the thing its dead. Of course, I can't find the
    other one I have here somewhere.. So I've had to settle for
    backing up what I can, and remembering to reinstall the new stuff
    for the thermometer...

    That's the thing that scares me about the Pi's. I've read from different
    folks about SD card failures. I think the newer Pi's can use an external
    HD, USB maybe, that is a little more workable.

    SD cards work well for data that you write to them like a filebase but
    when you use them with data that gets written a lot (like message bases)
    your going to wear that SD card out at some point.

    Aside from the that and the rest of the "interesting" times, its
    all good :)

    Carry on soldier!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Thursday, February 06, 2020 00:15:00
    That's the thing that scares me about the Pi's. I've read from
    different folks about SD card failures. I think the newer Pi's can
    use an external HD, USB maybe, that is a little more workable.

    Hmm I dunno, this is the only card I've ever used in it, truth be told its probably under rated for the task too, a rather antiqu 2Gb model. I have the filesystem and some programmy stuff, but data is written back to the file server. Currently streaming weathercam and logging the current time,temp fairly
    badly. I don't write anything to the sdcard itself. So there's system logging and thats about it.

    Spec


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Spectre on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 06:36:58
    Hmm I dunno, this is the only card I've ever used in it, truth be
    told its probably under rated for the task too, a rather antiqu
    2Gb model. I have the filesystem and some programmy stuff, but
    data is written back to the file server. Currently streaming
    weathercam and logging the current time,temp fairly badly. I don't
    write anything to the sdcard itself. So there's system logging and
    thats about it.

    In that case it should last a good long time but will fail at some point.
    Even an HD will fail at some point.

    Not much to do but get some more.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Grease@21:4/10 to Avon on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 11:49:00
    Re: Elton John
    By: Avon to All on Wed Feb 05 2020 12:17 pm

    Hope things are trucking along OK in your part of the globe.
    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!) and sadly the weather was lousy so we were drowned rats when when arrived and then the same by the time we made it back to our car to drive home. A long day (I was up at 6am and we got to bed around midnight) so am tired today.

    Things are good in Texas! It's a grey day though and we are at 40 degrees. F though, not C.
    Glad you survived the concert. Rain and all. Hope it helped your situation down
    under. I'm a hard rock and country guy, but always did like some of his stuff
    like Candle in the Wind.

    Grease
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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Al on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 20:00:34

    That's the thing that scares me about the Pi's.
    I've read from different folks about SD card
    failures. I think the newer Pi's can use an
    external HD, USB maybe, that is a little more
    workable.

    SD cards work well for data that you write to
    them like a filebase but when you use them with
    data that gets written a lot (like message
    bases) your going to wear that SD card out at
    some point.

    If you use journaled ext4 without the discard option
    in /etc/fstab and never do a "fstrim" on a small
    sdcard with not enough free space, it might die very
    fast. works with usb flash drives too. Use wrong
    partition sizes and boundaries to make it die faster
    (Raspbian partions are fine, other distributions not
    always).

    The problem is that at some point every sector has
    been written at least once and the sd doesn't know
    when sectors are marked as free by the
    filesystem. For the sd controller the card appears
    full, so it reads
    and writes already deleted data for wear leveling.

    - Get a good card (no noname stuff)
    - Enable TRIM or use the fstrim command
    - Keep enough free space on the card

    There is also f2fs, which is an filesystem developed
    for flash storage.



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  • From pokeswithastick@1:1/0 to Al on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 22:14:22

    On Feb 5th 1:01 pm Al said...
    That's the thing that scares me about the Pi's. I've read from different folks about SD card failures. I think the newer Pi's can use an external HD, USB maybe, that is a little more workable.

    I have one Pi that has a USB HDD plugged in. This is shared to the other Pi's using NFS and is where all the 'rapidly' changing data goes. Only thing is if the network slows down but so far no real issues.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Avon on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 18:18:09
    Avon wrote to All <=-

    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!) and sadly the weather was lousy so we were drowned rats when when arrived and then the same
    by the time we made it back to our car to drive home.

    Hope you got to enjoy the show otherwise!



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Al on Thursday, February 06, 2020 14:52:00
    On 02-05-20 04:16, Al wrote to Spectre <=-

    That's the thing that scares me about the Pi's. I've read from
    different folks about SD card failures. I think the newer Pi's can use
    an external HD, USB maybe, that is a little more workable.

    I do regular card replacements at well under the failure time (determined experimentally to be ~ 12 months on my setup) to prevent issues. I aim to change SD cards every 6 months. Next best thing to going down the HDD/SSD route.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, February 06, 2020 14:54:00
    On 02-06-20 00:15, Spectre wrote to Al <=-

    Hmm I dunno, this is the only card I've ever used in it, truth be told
    its probably under rated for the task too, a rather antiqu 2Gb model.
    I have the filesystem and some programmy stuff, but data is written
    back to the file server. Currently streaming weathercam and logging the current time,temp fairly
    badly. I don't write anything to the sdcard itself. So there's system logging and thats about it.

    Yeah if you write to the file server, the SD card has no wear. :) Best way to ensure SD card longevity is to use a read only filesystem and even log remotely (syslogd is good for that). :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 06, 2020 19:28:00
    and even log remotely (syslogd is good for that). :)

    Never had much joy with remote logging...


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, February 06, 2020 20:58:00
    On 02-06-20 19:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    and even log remotely (syslogd is good for that). :)

    Never had much joy with remote logging...

    Hmm, OK. I think I tried it once and got it working OK. :)


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  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to Avon on Thursday, February 06, 2020 11:41:29
    On 05 Feb 2020, Avon said the following...

    Last night my wife and I attended an Elton John concert at our local stadium. The concert was loud (I am getting old!) and sadly the weather

    My wife and I saw Elton John about 7 years ago when he came through out here, seeing him was a bucket list item for her and I am glad we did see him! A client of mine also went to the concert but he has connections in this state and deep pockets so he was stage front right there...He stated that being up front was a huge mistake due to the sound. He stated it was so loud even with ear plugs they could not enjoy it at all. On the other hand my wife and I
    were in the mid range section not far and not too close, our seats were just right! LOL

    His concert was great and he came back out for a couple encores!

    Glad you and your wife got to see him! We always catch Billy Idol and Duran Duran anytime they come through, just an 80's thing! ;)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to PalKat on Friday, February 07, 2020 07:08:00
    PalKat wrote to Avon <=-

    Glad you and your wife got to see him! We always catch Billy Idol and Duran Duran anytime they come through, just an 80's thing! ;)

    I saw Tears for Fears opening up for Hall and Oates last year. :)


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  • From PalKat@21:4/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 07, 2020 09:45:56
    On 07 Feb 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    I saw Tears for Fears opening up for Hall and Oates last year. :)

    That had to be a good performance!!!

    Are we dating our selves with these "retro" bands/artist? LOL

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to PalKat on Saturday, February 08, 2020 08:03:22
    On 06 Feb 2020 at 11:41a, PalKat pondered and said...

    My wife and I saw Elton John about 7 years ago when he came through out here, seeing him was a bucket list item for her and I am glad we did see him! A client of mine also went to the concert but he has connections
    in this state and deep pockets so he was stage front right there...He stated that being up front was a huge mistake due to the sound. He
    stated it was so loud even with ear plugs they could not enjoy it at
    all. On the other hand my wife and I were in the mid range section not far and not too close, our seats were just right! LOL
    His concert was great and he came back out for a couple encores!
    Glad you and your wife got to see him! We always catch Billy Idol and Duran Duran anytime they come through, just an 80's thing! ;)

    It was the loudest concert I had been to and I have seen him once already. I
    am not sure if the high volume was intentional but assume it must have been.
    I was about 1/3 of the way back up on one side of the stadium, quite high but not right up close to the roof or anything (it's a covered stadium)

    He and his band were slick, they seemed to race though a few songs and give them an almost rock/jazz treatment to some. So for those of us with a studio version of a song in your head we didn't get that at the concert... making it
    a little harder to sing along to at times.

    Billy Idol has been through NZ in the last few weeks but I didn't get to him and I have never seen Duran Duran live but would love to. I understand Simon LeBon has issues with his voice now :(

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to PalKat on Friday, February 07, 2020 15:40:22
    Are we dating our selves with these "retro" bands/artist? LOL

    Only if we walked 20 miles uphill in that many feet of snow all 9 months
    school was in session. Myself...we thought growing up The Flintstones were extremely hi-tech. ;)

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Avon on Saturday, February 08, 2020 09:28:54
    On 06 Feb 2020 at 11:41a, PalKat pondered and said...

    My wife and I saw Elton John about 7 years ago when he came through out
    here, seeing him was a bucket list item for her and I am glad we did see
    him! A client of mine also went to the concert but he has connections
    in this state and deep pockets so he was stage front right there...He
    stated that being up front was a huge mistake due to the sound. He
    stated it was so loud even with ear plugs they could not enjoy it at
    all. On the other hand my wife and I were in the mid range section not
    far and not too close, our seats were just right! LOL
    His concert was great and he came back out for a couple encores!
    Glad you and your wife got to see him! We always catch Billy Idol and
    Duran Duran anytime they come through, just an 80's thing! ;)

    It was the loudest concert I had been to and I have seen him once
    already. I
    am not sure if the high volume was intentional but assume it must have been.
    I was about 1/3 of the way back up on one side of the stadium, quite
    high but
    not right up close to the roof or anything (it's a covered stadium)

    He and his band were slick, they seemed to race though a few songs and
    give
    them an almost rock/jazz treatment to some. So for those of us with a studio
    version of a song in your head we didn't get that at the concert...
    making it
    a little harder to sing along to at times.

    Billy Idol has been through NZ in the last few weeks but I didn't get
    to him
    and I have never seen Duran Duran live but would love to. I understand Simon
    LeBon has issues with his voice now :(

    Loud? You want to talk loud? I saw Motorhead ten years ago and I still haven't
    fully recovered. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Joacim Melin on Saturday, February 08, 2020 21:56:06
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 09:28a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    Loud? You want to talk loud? I saw Motorhead ten years ago and I still haven't fully recovered. :)

    More so the reason I had my fingers in my ears for quite a bit of the concert
    I went to :) I want to still hear well after all the music dies down :)

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Avon on Saturday, February 08, 2020 10:45:01
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 09:28a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    Loud? You want to talk loud? I saw Motorhead ten years ago and I still
    haven't fully recovered. :)

    More so the reason I had my fingers in my ears for quite a bit of the concert
    I went to :) I want to still hear well after all the music dies down
    :)

    Oh, it's not just the hearing. I had ear protectors throughout the entire gig but I think my internal organs took a beating as well.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Joacim Melin on Saturday, February 08, 2020 20:45:00
    Loud? You want to talk loud? I saw Motorhead ten years ago and I still haven't fully recovered. :)

    Now you're talking, RIP Lemmy.. :/ They always did promise to be the loudest in
    th world.

    Spec


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  • From Weatherman@21:1/132 to Joacim Melin on Saturday, February 08, 2020 08:30:52

    Oh, it's not just the hearing. I had ear protectors throughout the entire gig but I think my internal organs took a beating as well.

    Out of the many concerts I have attended over the years, not sure which was the
    loudest. It might be some of the local concerts as they are smaller venues where you can be right next to the amps. The volume pounding can be intense. I
    try to avoid standing anywhere near the amps.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Saturday, February 08, 2020 09:29:00
    Avon wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    More so the reason I had my fingers in my ears for quite a bit of the concert I went to :) I want to still hear well after all the music dies down :)

    I've started wearing foam earplugs at concerts, but the damage has already been done. I hate the muffled sound, usually take them out for one song.

    I've noticed that some venues in San Francisco give away cheap little single packs of earplugs now.

    Some of the high-end earplugs are supposed to go a better job of more evenly reducing noise levels, I should research them and buy some before attending
    my next show.

    What I *really* need are earplugs that eliminate the sound of the idiots yelling at each other behind me trying to carry on an inane conversation.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Avon on Saturday, February 08, 2020 11:29:30
    Loud? You want to talk loud? I saw Motorhead ten years ago and I sti haven't fully recovered. :)
    More so the reason I had my fingers in my ears for quite a bit of the concert I went to :) I want to still hear well after all the music dies down :)

    Was a roadie for Hank Willians Jr at the college I was attending in Texas at the time to make some extra money. Will never forget the stage mgr telling
    the concert before was with Joan Jett. He walked around with ear plugs & she gave him a dirty look.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Joacim Melin on Sunday, February 09, 2020 10:39:15
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 10:45a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    Oh, it's not just the hearing. I had ear protectors throughout the
    entire gig but I think my internal organs took a beating as well.

    Yikes! This is the stuff they fail to mention in the advertising eh? :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 09, 2020 10:44:14
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 09:29a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I've started wearing foam earplugs at concerts, but the damage has
    already been done. I hate the muffled sound, usually take them out for
    one song.

    Working in commercial radio in my younger years I saw guys 10-15 years older than me with hearing issues and knew from that time that hearing loss was something to be wary of. So I guess I've always (well mostly) tried to be conscious of that when I was in situations like concerts etc. I can hear cicadas still and my wife can't :(

    I've noticed that some venues in San Francisco give away cheap little single packs of earplugs now.

    Going to get some for Queen tomorrow night.

    What I *really* need are earplugs that eliminate the sound of the idiots yelling at each other behind me trying to carry on an inane conversation.

    Hahahha... yeah, and I could use some at work too :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 09, 2020 10:45:14
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 11:29a, Phoobar pondered and said...

    Texas at the time to make some extra money. Will never forget the stage mgr telling the concert before was with Joan Jett. He walked around with ear plugs & she gave him a dirty look.

    He clearly didn't like Rock and Roll, didn't put another dime in the jukebox baby, nor did he pass go but went straight to jail :)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Avon on Saturday, February 08, 2020 23:39:31
    He clearly didn't like Rock and Roll, didn't put another dime in the jukebox baby, nor did he pass go but went straight to jail :)

    Being this was his job...he didn't care what it was...just that the place was in 1 piece when it was done & no complaints of being seated behind beams & such. From his reaction...they could've done Hair or Oh Calcutta there & he would've been back in his office doing whatever it was.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 09, 2020 20:42:12
    On 08 Feb 2020 at 11:39p, Phoobar pondered and said...

    Being this was his job...he didn't care what it was...just that the
    place was in 1 piece when it was done & no complaints of being seated behind beams & such. From his reaction...they could've done Hair or Oh Calcutta there & he would've been back in his office doing whatever it was.

    sounds like he was not loving his job... I bet there would have been a few
    that would have loved to have done that kind of work. But the hours would
    bark.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Avon on Sunday, February 09, 2020 00:02:22
    sounds like he was not loving his job... I bet there would have been a
    few that would have loved to have done that kind of work. But the hours would bark.

    Was the building mgr...so he was more concerned with everything else than one under-talented rock "star" thought of him trying to save his hearing.

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