• Blues Net

    From Solaris@21:2/1202 to All on Sunday, January 09, 2022 12:45:56
    I had seen a adver for a new net blues net , can somebody give me a bbs addy for the keeper .
    Thanks

    ... When all else fails, read the instructions

    Sysop SolaRis
    Error 1202 and Error 404 BBS !
    FSXnet HuB 2 Tholian AdmiN !

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Solaris on Monday, January 10, 2022 11:34:43
    On 09 Jan 2022 at 12:45p, Solaris pondered and said...

    I had seen a adver for a new net blues net , can somebody give me a bbs addy for the keeper .

    No, but if I do will let you know, and happy new year to you :)

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  • From Mickey@21:1/156 to Solaris on Sunday, January 09, 2022 19:14:04
    On 09 Jan 2022, Solaris said the following...

    I had seen a adver for a new net blues net , can somebody give me a bbs addy for the keeper .
    Thanks

    There is an infopack around, but you can download it from centralonatrioremote:2323 in the BluesNET file area.

    Cheers!

    Mick Manning
    -(< BluesNET - The Musician's Network >)-

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    * Origin: Central Ontario BluesNET (21:1/156)
  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to Mickey on Friday, January 14, 2022 12:52:48
    There is an infopack around, but you can download it from centralonatrioremote:2323 in the BluesNET file area.

    would you be kind enough to upload it to me on Error 1202. SysopSolaris.DDns.net:2323 or Error1202bbs.DDns.net:1202.

    THanks

    Sysop SolaRis
    Error 1202 and Error 404 BBS !
    FSXnet HuB 2 Tholian AdmiN !

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to Solaris on Monday, January 17, 2022 07:00:40
    On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 12:45:56 -0500
    "Solaris" <solaris@21:2/1202> wrote:

    I had seen a adver for a new net blues net , can somebody give me a
    bbs addy for the keeper . Thanks

    Another dead network with no posts that duplicates networks that we
    already have that don't have any posts. We need consolidation, not
    expansion.
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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Nigel Reed on Monday, January 17, 2022 13:22:48
    BY: Nigel Reed(21:2/101)


    Another dead network with no posts that duplicates networks that we
    already have that don't have any posts. We need consolidation, not expansion.
    I know Gert tried to keep the othernets he has alive, but he needs to merge the 8-10 nets he has into 1 single network.


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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to Utopian Galt on Monday, January 17, 2022 15:48:13
    Re: Re: Blues Net
    By: Utopian Galt to Nigel Reed on Mon Jan 17 2022 13:22:48

    I know Gert tried to keep the othernets he has alive, but he needs to merge the 8-10 nets he has into 1 single network.

    Yup. Gert, where dead networks go for life support :)
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  • From Mickey@21:1/156 to Nigel Reed on Monday, January 17, 2022 20:22:22
    On 17 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    Yup. Gert, where dead networks go for life support :)
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    It's a new network that I administer. It's only for musicians. BluesNET isn't on 'life support', but it could use an added injection of art discussion.

    Bluesnet isn't for everyone.

    Mick Manning
    -(< BluesNET - The Musician's Network >)-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Central Ontario BluesNET (21:1/156)
  • From Robert Wolfe@21:2/136 to Mickey on Monday, January 17, 2022 21:24:00
    Mickey wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

    On 17 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    Yup. Gert, where dead networks go for life support :)
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux

    It's a new network that I administer. It's only for musicians. BluesNET isn't on 'life support', but it could use an added injection of art discussion.

    Bluesnet isn't for everyone.

    Email me the info at admin@winserver.org. I live in the Memphis, TN
    area -- the home of the Blues and B.B. King's :) And Jerry Lawler;s...

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  • From Mickey@21:1/156 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:37:56
    On 17 Jan 2022, Robert Wolfe said the following...

    Email me the info at admin@winserver.org. I live in the Memphis, TN
    area -- the home of the Blues and B.B. King's :) And Jerry Lawler;s...

    Done :-)

    Mick Manning
    -(< BluesNET - The Musician's Network >)-

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    * Origin: Central Ontario BluesNET (21:1/156)
  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:43:36
    On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:22:22 -0500
    Mickey wrote:

    On 17 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    Yup. Gert, where dead networks go for life support :)
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux

    It's a new network that I administer. It's only for musicians.
    BluesNET isn't on 'life support', but it could use an added injection
    of art discussion.

    Like I said, we already have MUSICALNET so why do we need another music dedicated network? Why don't you just use the one we already have? I
    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about
    having your own network, I don't get it.
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  • From Trikester@21:3/159 to Nigel Reed on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:12:06
    Like I said, we already have MUSICALNET so why do we need another music dedicated network? Why don't you just use the
    one we already have? I find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about
    having your own network, I don't get it.

    I'm not sure I understand why some sysops complain when people actually do something, or want to do something. I understand the point of possibly diluting the already fairly small BBS community, but by the same token, anyone can tinker, and probably should! Why not create a new net? Maybe he'll promote in places where there's not many traditional BBS users and bring more aboard.
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  • From boraxman@21:1/100 to Nigel Reed on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:38:34
    It's a new network that I administer. It's only for musicians.
    BluesNET isn't on 'life support', but it could use an added injection
    of art discussion.

    Like I said, we already have MUSICALNET so why do we need another music dedicated network? Why don't you just use the one we already have? I
    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about
    having your own network, I don't get it.
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    I get why you might do a net for interest, in which case I
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  • From boraxman@21:1/100 to Trikester on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:45:36
    I'm not sure I understand why some sysops complain when people actually
    do something, or want to do something. I understand the point of
    possibly diluting the already fairly small BBS community, but by the
    same token, anyone can tinker, and probably should! Why not create a
    new net? Maybe he'll promote in places where there's not many
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  • From Al@21:4/106 to boraxman on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 14:53:36
    Like I said, we already have MUSICALNET so why do we need another music
    dedicated network? Why don't you just use the one we already have? I
    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about
    having your own network, I don't get it.

    I get why you might do a net for interest, in which case I


    Your reply seems to have been cut short. Also on your next reply there is only the parts you quoted but none of your reply.

    Just a heads up.

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Trikester on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 09:07:12
    I'm not sure I understand why some sysops complain when people
    actually do something, or want to do something. I understand the point
    of possibly diluting the already fairly small BBS community, but by
    the same token, anyone can tinker, and probably should! Why not
    create a new net? Maybe he'll promote in places where there's not
    many traditional BBS users and bring more aboard.

    It seems to be the popular thing around BBSing to be condesending and
    negative.

    FSXnet came about when there were already general nets that were "dead"
    and it's become very popular. It just depends how much effort one is
    willing to put into their net, the energy they put out either will
    attract others or wont.

    To be honest, the negativity in bbsing is more likely to drive people
    away from the hobby, than keep everyone in existing nets or something.
    I've been at the point the last few weeks, where I'm considering just
    turning everything off and washing my hands of it all. The only thing
    that stops me is the handful of friends I've made here, and I'd feel like
    I was letting down people who use my software.

    Anyway, good luck to mickey with his blues net.

    Andrew

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to apam on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 18:21:12
    It seems to be the popular thing around BBSing to be condesending and negative.

    That's certainly the observation I've made after visiting Fido!

    FSXnet came about when there were already general nets that were "dead" and it's become very popular. It just depends how much effort one is willing to put into their net, the energy they put out either will
    attract others or wont.

    And this is why I like fsxNet. 'The Old Man' is very quick to reprimand
    certain attitudes (not that I've ever been reprimanded... ;) ).

    To be honest, the negativity in bbsing is more likely to drive people
    away from the hobby, than keep everyone in existing nets or something. I've been at the point the last few weeks, where I'm considering just turning everything off and washing my hands of it all. The only thing
    that stops me is the handful of friends I've made here, and I'd feel like I was letting down people who use my software.

    Please, don't let the evil within others cause you to stop doing what you
    think is good. Ever. This is a lesson that I've had to learn the hard way...

    Remember: this is still the internet. Everyone with a keyboard can speak up. Most of them shouldn't, but they can, and nothing will stop them! There's
    just as much stupid on Fido as on Facebook. The only difference is the lack
    of meme photos...

    Which is what makes fsxNet so popular! Stupidity is strongly discouraged,
    here!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From Mickey@21:1/156 to Nigel Reed on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 17:35:52
    On 18 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about
    having your own network, I don't get it.

    Whoever you are, you certainly are a piece of work. Just move along, the adults are talking.

    Mick Manning
    -(< BluesNET - The Musician's Network >)-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Central Ontario BluesNET (21:1/156)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Mickey on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 18:58:42
    Whoever you are, you certainly are a piece of work. Just move along, the adults are talking.

    You have no idea how many times I've wanted to say this on FidoNet! \(@_@)/

    However, this kind of response is strongly discouraged on fsxNet...

    I feel you, bud. But we are adults, and should never act like children. Don't ever let negativity cloud your mind!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to McDoob on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 20:52:09
    On 18 Jan 2022, McDoob said the following...

    There's just as much stupid on Fido as on Facebook. The only difference
    is the lack of meme photos...

    _____ i can haz cheezburger?
    /
    /
    /\_/\ ___
    = o_o =_______ \ \
    __^ __( \.__) )
    (@)<_____>__(_____)____/


    Jay

    ... If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Warpslide on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 21:22:51
    There's just as much stupid on Fido as on Facebook. The only differen is the lack of meme photos...

    _____ i can haz cheezburger?
    /
    /
    /\_/\ ___
    = o_o =_______ \ \
    __^ __( \.__) )
    (@)<_____>__(_____)____/


    Ya just couldn't help yourself, could ya? (^_^)

    Not gonna lie, that made me laugh...

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to McDoob on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 21:29:30
    On 18 Jan 2022, McDoob said the following...

    Ya just couldn't help yourself, could ya? (^_^)

    Not gonna lie, that made me laugh...

    It was either the cat or this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnfLZKwnTg

    Someone needs to turn this into a door.


    Jay

    ... You know the rules and so do I

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 20:45:28
    On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:35:52 -0500
    "Mickey" <mickey@21:1/156> wrote:

    On 18 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip
    about having your own network, I don't get it.

    Whoever you are, you certainly are a piece of work. Just move along,
    the adults are talking.

    Feel free to come along and say that to my face.
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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 20:48:39
    On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:58:42 -0500
    "McDoob" <mcdoob@21:4/135> wrote:

    Whoever you are, you certainly are a piece of work. Just move
    along, the adults are talking.

    You have no idea how many times I've wanted to say this on FidoNet!
    \(@_@)/

    However, this kind of response is strongly discouraged on fsxNet...

    Don't worry, I'm used to this sort of childish behavior, it's what I
    come to expect from a semi-anonymous network like this. If that's the
    only come back he has against someone who has a valid opinion and
    states it, then I wonder who the adults are around here.

    Water off a ducks back.
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  • From Mickey@21:1/156 to McDoob on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 21:56:20
    On 18 Jan 2022, McDoob said the following...

    I feel you, bud. But we are adults, and should never act like children. Don't ever let negativity cloud your mind!

    Thanks man. Oh and by the way, you've certainly come a long way with your ability to use FSX (and Fido)

    Cheers!

    Mick Manning
    -(< BluesNET - The Musician's Network >)-

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Al on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 16:57:43

    Your reply seems to have been cut short. Also on your next reply there
    is only the parts you quoted but none of your reply.

    Just a heads up.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to boraxman on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 20:27:30
    Your reply seems to have been cut short. Also on your next reply there
    is only the parts you quoted but none of your reply.

    Just a heads up.

    I am using putty on a Symbian phone. Must be causing
    issues.

    I don't know what happen with your last replies, but this one looks good.

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  • From Trikester@21:3/159 to apam on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 21:01:34
    To be honest, the negativity in bbsing is more likely to drive people
    away from the hobby, than keep everyone in existing nets or something.
    I've been at the point the last few weeks, where I'm considering just turning everything off and washing my hands of it all. The only thing
    that stops me is the handful of friends I've made here, and I'd feel like
    I was letting down people who use my software.

    Fortunately, fsxNet is around, seems to be the most positive net around that I've seen, but I think the positive influence and moderation is helpful.

    There's definitely some nets that are tempting to run screaming away from. ;-)

    I dropped off for awhile, but it's great to see familiar names like yours around, btw.
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  • From Trikester@21:3/159 to Warpslide on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 21:04:02
    It was either the cat or this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnfLZKwnTg
    Someone needs to turn this into a door.

    At 1200 bps?
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 19:01:36
    On 18 Jan 2022 at 08:45p, Nigel Reed pondered and said...

    On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:35:52 -0500
    "Mickey" <mickey@21:1/156> wrote:

    On 18 Jan 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

    find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip
    about having your own network, I don't get it.

    Whoever you are, you certainly are a piece of work. Just move along,
    the adults are talking.

    Feel free to come along and say that to my face.

    Nigel and Mick please kindly take this dispute to netmail.

    Let's keep it helpful, kind and respectful in these echos thanks.

    Cheers guys.

    Best, Paul

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to apam on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:08:09
    It seems to be the popular thing around BBSing to be condesending and negative.

    FSXnet came about when there were already general nets that were "dead" and it's become very popular. It just depends how much effort one is willing to put into their net, the energy they put out either will
    attract others or wont.

    To be honest, the negativity in bbsing is more likely to drive people
    away from the hobby, than keep everyone in existing nets or something. I've been at the point the last few weeks, where I'm considering just turning everything off and washing my hands of it all. The only thing
    that stops me is the handful of friends I've made here, and I'd feel like I was letting down people who use my software.

    Anyway, good luck to mickey with his blues net.

    This 'big fish in a little pond' mentality has been a 'thing' in the
    technology arena since Moses wore short pants. Having been a systems-developer/programmer for many decades (now retired), I've seen just about every kind of ego you could possibly imagine.

    TBH, this kind of attitude is more indicative of experience than personality: only large scale collaborative projects carry the necessary mass to humble the human ego. Without exception, no man ever makes it alone; I can't think of a single project where I didn't rely upon the skills, talents, and resolve
    of truly brilliant people.

    IMHO, it is often a mistake to know a man by his experiences alone, for he is yet to know himself.

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to TALIADON on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 20:22:27
    This 'big fish in a little pond' mentality has been a 'thing' in the technology arena since Moses wore short pants. Having been a systems-developer/programmer for many decades (now retired), I've seen
    just about every kind of ego you could possibly imagine.

    I didn't really understand any of your message sorry.

    Andrew

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to apam on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:46:57
    I didn't really understand any of your message sorry.

    LOL, fair enough :)

    My point being is that people's attitudes, whether positive or negative, are usually a product of experience, or lack thereof. We shouldn't take to heart what we meet at face value, because it's usually only half the story. Whilst
    we may encounter storms that leave us discouraged or despondent, we're free to set our sails to the wind of our choosing.

    Why trade your joy for someone else's misery? Whether you continue BBSing is
    up to you of course, but whatever your motivations/reasons, they should be
    your own.

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Nigel Reed on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 13:10:21
    Nigel wrote (2022-01-18):

    It's a new network that I administer. It's only for musicians.
    BluesNET isn't on 'life support', but it could use an added injection
    of art discussion.

    Like I said, we already have MUSICALNET so why do we need another music dedicated network? Why don't you just use the one we already have?

    Yeah, why don't we all just use Fidonet? The number of echomail areas is not limited.

    I find this to be a pointless exercise other than some ego trip about having your own network, I don't get it.

    I don't get it either. What's so exciting about collecting node numbers from tiny micro networks?

    But calling it an ego trip? How do you know if that was the motivation? And why is the previous "ego trip" (MusicalNet) okay and the latest one is not?

    Maybe everyone should create their own network and then we interlink them to one global inter-FTN. Then we are all ego-trip equal.

    ---
    * Origin: Birds aren't real (21:3/102)
  • From aLPHA@21:4/158 to apam on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 15:04:17
    I'm not sure I understand why some sysops complain when people
    actually do something, or want to do something. I understand the
    point
    of possibly diluting the already fairly small BBS community, but by
    the same token, anyone can tinker, and probably should! Why not
    create a new net? Maybe he'll promote in places where there's not
    many traditional BBS users and bring more aboard.

    As a frequent tinkerer myself, 100% agreed on this. I've toyed with
    learning h ow to set up a network, not because the world needs one, but
    because I'd just like to see/know how it all works.

    FSXnet came about when there were already general nets that were
    "dead"
    and it's become very popular. It just depends how much effort one is
    willing to put into their net, the energy they put out either will
    attract others or wont.

    The dedication and persistence it takes from folks like Avon and others
    who nurture and grow nets cannot be underestimated. There's so many dead
    FTNs because... it's a LOT of work to maintain and grow interest.

    To be honest, the negativity in bbsing is more likely to drive people
    away from the hobby, than keep everyone in existing nets or something.
    I've been at the point the last few weeks, where I'm considering just turning everything off and washing my hands of it all. The only thing
    that stops me is the handful of friends I've made here, and I'd feel
    like
    I was letting down people who use my software.

    The BBS world is so much better with you in it, Apam. But I know the
    feeling. I am personally glad you stick around!

    |04a|12LPHA
    |03Alpha Complex |15- |11alphacomplex.us:2323

    --- Talisman v0.35-dev (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: aLPHA cOMPLEX: You are in Error. No one is screaming. (21:4/158)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Mickey on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:32:31
    Thanks man. Oh and by the way, you've certainly come a long way with
    your ability to use FSX (and Fido)

    You're too kind, sir. I'm fully aware of how much more I need to learn. But that's the whole point of taking up this project! I wanted something to keep
    me occupied during the winter.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 15:54:31
    apam wrote to TALIADON <=-

    This 'big fish in a little pond' mentality has been a 'thing' in the technology arena since Moses wore short pants. Having been a systems-developer/programmer for many decades (now retired), I've seen
    just about every kind of ego you could possibly imagine.

    I didn't really understand any of your message sorry.

    Maybe you need a few more beers and then to read it again? :)

    Hope all is well in your part of the world.



    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Oli on Friday, January 21, 2022 00:23:08

    Yeah, why don't we all just use Fidonet? The number of echomail areas is not limited.

    That was my thought to. There already are places to discuss many topics, which are unused. My experience of the 'nets is that it is mostly BBS enthusiats who join, who generally know each other. FidoNet and DoveNet seem to have a small number of users, who engage in chatter.

    Nothing wrong with that, but BBS's aren't the place to go to if you want to discuss, say, Blues music, or the Dune Movie.
    Maybe everyone should create their own network and then we interlink
    them to one global inter-FTN. Then we are all ego-trip equal.


    I am interested in creating one, to see how it is done, but I have zero intention of making it public.

    The "problem" is that people don't see the value in using BBS's over say, Reddit or Facebook. I think there ARE advantages, but the work needs to be done in showing how a BBS format can bring about a community orientied Social Network, where we control what goes on, own the infrastructure, have no advertising, etc.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to boraxman on Friday, January 21, 2022 14:04:12
    boraxman wrote (2022-01-21):

    Maybe everyone should create their own network and then we interlink
    them to one global inter-FTN. Then we are all ego-trip equal.


    I am interested in creating one, to see how it is done, but I have zero intention of making it public.

    The "problem" is that people don't see the value in using BBS's over say, Reddit or Facebook. I think there ARE advantages, but the work needs to
    be done in showing how a BBS format can bring about a community orientied Social Network, where we control what goes on, own the infrastructure,
    have no advertising, etc.

    You can have all the advantages without the inefficient user interface of a BBS. If it doesn't have a website or app, it's not relevant anymore. There are enough non-commercial decentralized distributed web based social networks and web forums. Why use BBS technology? Everyone needs images and videos ...

    ---
    * Origin: Birds aren't real (21:3/102)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Oli on Saturday, January 22, 2022 11:29:24
    You can have all the advantages without the inefficient user interface
    of a BBS. If it doesn't have a website or app, it's not relevant
    anymore. There are enough non-commercial decentralized distributed web based social networks and web forums. Why use BBS technology? Everyone needs images and videos ...

    ---

    I've heard of Matrix, which is good for chat and messaging. Citadel, which I know almost nothing about was almost mentioned.

    Discussion threads and chat/messaging/group chat are the primary features, but I'm looking at options where it can be a private hidden network.

    Do you have any particular solutions in mind apart from these two?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to boraxman on Saturday, January 22, 2022 13:09:48
    boraxman wrote (2022-01-22):

    You can have all the advantages without the inefficient user
    interface of a BBS. If it doesn't have a website or app, it's not
    relevant anymore. There are enough non-commercial decentralized
    distributed web based social networks and web forums. Why use BBS
    technology? Everyone needs images and videos ...

    ---

    I've heard of Matrix, which is good for chat and messaging. Citadel,
    which I know almost nothing about was almost mentioned.

    Matrix is chat with voice and video conference plugins. It's quite successful but a bit bloated for my taste.

    Citadel is a bit old-school. I doubt you will attract many users. From a BBS perspective it is still interesting.

    https://www.citadel.org/ https://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2020/57/An-overview-of-the-Citadel-BBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadel_(software)

    Discussion threads and chat/messaging/group chat are the primary
    features, but I'm looking at options where it can be a private hidden network.

    What do you mean with private hidden network?

    Do you have any particular solutions in mind apart from these two?

    Twitter like:
    - Mastodon
    - Plemora

    Facebook like:
    - diaspora
    - friendica
    - Hubzilla
    - Zap

    Chat (federated)
    - Movim
    - XMPP
    - Zulip
    - RocketChat
    - Mattermost

    Web forum:
    - flarum
    - Discord
    - NodeBB

    Briar looks interesting too:
    https://briarproject.org/manual/

    ---
    * Origin: Birds aren't real (21:3/102)
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to boraxman on Saturday, January 22, 2022 09:52:32
    Re: Re: Blues Net
    By: boraxman to Oli on Sat Jan 22 2022 11:29 am

    I've heard of Matrix, which is good for chat and messaging. Citadel, which know almost nothing about was almost mentioned.


    Citadel is an all-in-one groupware solution which happens to have a telnet, ssh, and citadel-protocol interface. They also support IMAP and web frontends. IMO it is not something you set up when you want to interoperate with other BBS, but something you set up so your friends and you have a forum which also includes an email server and mailing lists if need be.

    I wrote an article for it at ADMIN Magazine https://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2020/57/An-overview-of-the-Citadel-BBS

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From boraxman@21:1/121 to Oli on Saturday, January 22, 2022 17:33:06

    On Saturday, January 22nd Oli muttered...
    Matrix is chat with voice and video conference plugins. It's quite successful but a bit bloated for my taste.

    Citadel is a bit old-school. I doubt you will attract many users. From a BBS perspective it is still interesting.

    https://www.citadel.org/

    Citadel does look like something from the early 2000's. It still has a text based BBS front end May still be more user friendly than BBS software, worth a look I think.


    --- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.12-beta (linux; x64; 14.15.4)
    * Origin: Xibalba -+- xibalba.l33t.codes:44510 (21:1/121)
  • From boraxman@21:1/121 to Arelor on Saturday, January 22, 2022 17:41:03

    On Saturday, January 22nd Arelor said...
    Citadel is an all-in-one groupware solution which happens to have a telnet, ssh, and citadel-protocol interface. They also support IMAP and web frontends. IMO it is not something you set up when you want to interoperate with other BBS, but something you set up so your friends and you have a forum which also includes an email server and mailing lists if need be.

    I wrote an article for it at ADMIN Magazine https://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2020/57/An-overview-of-the-Citadel- BBS

    Thanks for that. I think this may be closer to what I'm looking for, possibly... Mostly because of the web interface and it being easier for others to access.

    I might just run a server and try it out.


    --- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.12-beta (linux; x64; 14.15.4)
    * Origin: Xibalba -+- xibalba.l33t.codes:44510 (21:1/121)
  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Oli on Saturday, January 22, 2022 21:47:32
    OLI(21:3/102) wrote to boraxman <=-

    The "problem" is that people don't see the value in using BBS's over say, Reddit or Facebook. I think there ARE advantages, but the work needs to
    be done in showing how a BBS format can bring about a community orientied Social Network, where we control what goes on, own the infrastructure,
    have no advertising, etc.

    You can have all the advantages without the inefficient user interface
    of a BBS. If it doesn't have a website or app, it's not relevant
    anymore. There are enough non-commercial decentralized distributed web based social networks and web forums. Why use BBS technology? Everyone needs images and videos ...

    When dialup internet got popular it was hard as hell to get my old users to come back even in 1997.

    It would likely need a Wildcat Navigator type client for Android and IOS. To help get people to embrace our bbs experiences.

    ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52


    --- WWIV 5.5.1.3261
    * Origin: inland utopia * socal usa * iutopia.mooo.com:2023 (21:4/108)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Utopian Galt on Sunday, January 23, 2022 09:18:00
    Hello Utopian Galt!

    ** On Saturday 22.01.22 - 21:47, Utopian Galt wrote to Oli:

    OLI(21:3/102) wrote to boraxman <=-

    When dialup internet got popular it was hard as hell to get my old users to come back even in 1997.

    It would likely need a Wildcat Navigator type client for Android and IOS. To help get people to embrace our bbs experiences.

    Something like this?

    https://ansiwave.net

    "A modern BBS wrought from a more civilized age

    "On ANSIWAVE BBS you can have threaded discussions and share
    ANSI art and MIDI music from your web browser or terminal.

    "You can even download an archive of the board and browse it
    completely offline.

    "Instead of usernames and passwords, your identity is a signing
    key that you control.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Ogg on Sunday, January 23, 2022 16:21:27
    Ogg wrote (2022-01-23):

    It would likely need a Wildcat Navigator type client for Android
    and IOS. To help get people to embrace our bbs experiences.

    Something like this?

    https://ansiwave.net

    "A modern BBS wrought from a more civilized age

    Only 40 MB to download for the client ;-).

    ---
    * Origin: Birds aren't real (21:3/102)
  • From Robert Wolfe@21:2/136 to Oli on Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:49:34
    Ogg wrote (2022-01-23):

    It would likely need a Wildcat Navigator type client for Android
    and IOS. To help get people to embrace our bbs experiences.

    Something like this?

    https://ansiwave.net

    "A modern BBS wrought from a more civilized age

    Only 40 MB to download for the client ;-).

    ---
    * Origin: Birds aren't real (21:3/102)

    No, something not like this. Something more like wcNavigator.

    ... Deny thy father and forget thy tagline.
    --- Wildcat! v8.0.454.12 (May 9 2021), Editor Mod v2.1
    * Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (21:2/136)
  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to TALIADON on Sunday, January 23, 2022 19:09:49
    On 19 Jan 2022, TALIADON said the following...
    TBH, this kind of attitude is more indicative of experience than personality: only large scale collaborative projects carry the necessary mass to humble the human ego. Without exception, no man ever makes it alone; I can't think of a single project where I didn't rely upon the skills, talents, and resolve of truly brilliant people.

    IMHO, it is often a mistake to know a man by his experiences alone, for
    he is yet to know himself.

    Well said, TALIADON... a truly great sentiment

    _____________________________________________________________________

    (,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: seeLive's rustyHedgehog - therhh.dynv6.net:2300 (21:2/128)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Ogg on Monday, January 24, 2022 19:23:54
    Something like this?

    https://ansiwave.net

    "A modern BBS wrought from a more civilized age

    "On ANSIWAVE BBS you can have threaded discussions and share
    ANSI art and MIDI music from your web browser or terminal.

    "You can even download an archive of the board and browse it
    completely offline.

    "Instead of usernames and passwords, your identity is a signing
    key that you control.



    That seems kind of cool, but unless I'm missing something, quite basic. It goes more for a retro look.

    I remember using a pseudo-web style interface for a BBS which was graphical.

    What I think is that the BBS can be logged in using another protocol, which sends basic commands which detail what the commands/options are, and the browser renders that in a format suitable for the screen. So you still get a BBS menu, but its rendered like a webpage (for those not using a telnet/ssh/rlogin based client). Essentially, you add a layer of abstraction so that instead of the BBS directly sending the 80x25 screen, it just sends the options, data, text, and the "Browser", which could be a BBS client, renders it. This might appear to be reinventing the web, but its not quite, its just an expanded terminal.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From rEApZ@21:1/166 to boraxman on Monday, January 24, 2022 17:32:38
    I remember a few boards back in the day using Excalibur BBS which was like a windows gui bbs software... took me a few minutes to recall that... :P

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    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Datanet BBS | telnet://datanetbbs.net:23 (21:1/166)