• Picard

    From ryan@21:1/168 to All on Sunday, January 26, 2020 15:52:22
    I was super excited to watch Picard today.

    I pay for cable through Comcast in the USA. There's no choice here in the matter; if I want internet, I also have to get cable, so whatever.

    Anyway, my cable subscription comes with CBS, content owners of Picard. Now, frankly, this streaming business is getting out of hand. There's a limit at which you can expect people to pay for discrete streaming services.

    So, I have Netflix (because you basically need it these days), Apple TV+
    which I haven't even used and may cancel, Disney+ for Mandalorian (which I've finished and may cancel), hulu (comes with Disney and doesn't have anything interesting), espn (same as hulu but even less interesting), and then the typical premium TV channels like HBO.

    So I tried loading up the CBS app on my Apple TV to watch Picard today and found that I need a premium subscription to CBS. Really? CBS? What premium content do they have?!

    As if that's not ballsy enough, they have two tiers. Keep in mind I
    inherently pay for CBS through my cable provider, but they want to gate their premium stuff. Now, the two tiers they have are $5.99/mo with commercials, $9.99/mo without.

    What on earth is worth paying them all this money for?

    So I don't particularly want to be beholden to another stupid streaming service. I looked for ways to buy the episodes independently. Guess what?
    They don't exist. Not through iTunes, not through Amazon...you literally have to subscribe to their stupid service to watch episodes.

    Things are getting a bit crazy. In no way will I pay CBS a monthly
    subscription just to watch a show.

    The music industry feels like it's trending into the "subscription only"
    style as well...I wish consumers would fight back against this at some point.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me rant.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Sunday, January 26, 2020 17:32:56
    The music industry feels like it's trending into the "subscription only" style as well...I wish consumers would fight back against this at some point.

    I mean, the music industry did that before, and the result was lots of
    piracy, until iTunes showed up.

    And with videos, Netflix showing up also reduced piracy, because it was easy and convenient enough.

    I don't quite know what the solution is, though, for video. I'd like for
    there to be multiple competitors with similar content that they paid access
    to, but that seems to be in no one's interest but for the consumers.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Sunday, January 26, 2020 23:40:11
    I don't quite know what the solution is, though, for video. I'd like for there to be multiple competitors with similar content that they paid access to, but that seems to be in no one's interest but for the consumers.

    Expect something like Pluto TV & such as being the solution. Don't care about watching TV shows/movies with short spots...especially if it's something I enjoy & didn't see back in the day. If this is true...it may take years for Picard & others to come to this forum.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Monday, January 27, 2020 08:27:24
    26 Jan 20 15:52, you wrote to All:

    I was super excited to watch Picard today.

    :)

    [ some time later ]

    Things are getting a bit crazy. In no way will I pay CBS a
    monthly subscription just to watch a show.

    The music industry feels like it's trending into the
    "subscription only" style as well...I wish consumers would
    fight back against this at some point.

    Werner Herzog, who is playing the imperial dude with the German accent on the Mandalorian, said "Piracy has been the most successful form of distribution worldwide"

    The Mandalorian is still not available in Germany ...

    Anyway, thanks for letting me rant.

    :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Monday, January 27, 2020 21:29:40
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 08:27a, Oli pondered and said...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100
    I was super excited to watch Picard today.

    :)

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Monday, January 27, 2020 00:36:08
    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Monday, January 27, 2020 21:48:36
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 12:36a, Al pondered and said...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?

    I saw two dupes so far

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 2/100

    and

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Monday, January 27, 2020 01:00:42
    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?

    I saw two dupes so far

    So the one with 4/100 and 106 arrived first?

    Some happenin' binkp servers there.. :)

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 2/100

    and

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100

    That's OK as long as they are being detected as dupes and not spamming
    the net..


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Monday, January 27, 2020 08:01:46
    Werner Herzog, who is playing the imperial dude with the German accent
    on the Mandalorian, said "Piracy has been the most successful form of distribution worldwide"

    :) On that note, Mandalorian is pretty spectacular! Not worth a Disney subscription, though...I'd still rather buy the episodes outright haha.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 08:21:16
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 01:00a, Al pondered and said...

    Some happenin' binkp servers there.. :)

    I know!

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to ryan on Monday, January 27, 2020 13:48:02
    Werner Herzog, who is playing the imperial dude with the German accen on the Mandalorian, said "Piracy has been the most successful form of distribution worldwide"
    :) On that note, Mandalorian is pretty spectacular! Not worth a Disney

    Seem to also remember the guy they broke out of prison was Moss on The IT Crowd. I could be wrong...but having those flexible horns rather than an afro threw me off...but that voice.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 09:55:00
    On 01-26-20 15:52, ryan wrote to All <=-

    So I don't particularly want to be beholden to another stupid streaming service. I looked for ways to buy the episodes independently. Guess
    what? They don't exist. Not through iTunes, not through Amazon...you literally have to subscribe to their stupid service to watch episodes.

    *cough* bittorrent *cough* ;)

    In all seriousness, this sort of crap is what drves so-called "piracy". Give people what they want when they want at a reasonable price without forcing them to jump through hoops, and they will pay for it gladly. But if you dick people around like this, they'll find ways to buck the system.

    The music industry feels like it's trending into the "subscription
    only" style as well...I wish consumers would fight back against this at some point.

    Yeah I have no interest in streaming subscriptions. I used to be a regular purchaser of music through services like iTunes and the like, when I wanted to add to my collection, but now I simply don't bother, because I keep getting redireted to the streaming services. I'll just pull up music videos on YouTube nowadays and put up with the ads. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 09:59:00
    On 01-26-20 17:32, Adept wrote to ryan <=-

    The music industry feels like it's trending into the "subscription only" style as well...I wish consumers would fight back against this at some point.

    I mean, the music industry did that before, and the result was lots of piracy, until iTunes showed up.

    And with videos, Netflix showing up also reduced piracy, because it was easy and convenient enough.

    Yes, I think we are going to see an increase in piracy again. The media interest just don't get the modern era and the power consumers have, if
    llegal.

    I don't quite know what the solution is, though, for video. I'd like
    for there to be multiple competitors with similar content that they
    paid access to, but that seems to be in no one's interest but for the consumers.

    Yes, I'd like more content cross licensing in the distribution chain. It would be worth a modest increase in Netflix (etc) subscription rates to make it possible.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:01:00
    On 01-26-20 23:40, Phoobar wrote to Adept <=-

    Expect something like Pluto TV & such as being the solution. Don't care about watching TV shows/movies with short spots...especially if it's something I enjoy & didn't see back in the day. If this is true...it
    may take years for Picard & others to come to this forum.

    Hmm, this needs a bit of explanation. I've never herd of Pluto TV, and I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Oli on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:02:00
    On 01-27-20 08:27, Oli wrote to ryan <=-

    Werner Herzog, who is playing the imperial dude with the German accent
    on the Mandalorian, said "Piracy has been the most successful form of distribution worldwide"

    He may be right.

    The Mandalorian is still not available in Germany ...

    It probably is on Bittorrent! :D


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 27, 2020 15:24:40
    Yeah I have no interest in streaming subscriptions. I used to be a regular purchaser of music through services like iTunes and the like,
    when I wanted to add to my collection, but now I simply don't bother, because I keep getting redireted to the streaming services. I'll just pull up music videos on YouTube nowadays and put up with the ads. :)

    Maybe it's because I make music myself, but I still feel like there has to be
    a contingent of people who prefer to curate a personal collection of
    material, directly supporting the author(s) that they like. I refuse to
    believe everything is a throwaway. It just doesn't make sense.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Monday, January 27, 2020 15:49:24
    :) On that note, Mandalorian is pretty spectacular! Not worth a Disney subscription, though...I'd still rather buy the episodes outright haha.

    I still have difficulty with Disney, as I'm not yet over them stealing 20
    years of the public domain.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Monday, January 27, 2020 15:56:04
    Maybe it's because I make music myself, but I still feel like there has
    to be a contingent of people who prefer to curate a personal collection
    of material, directly supporting the author(s) that they like. I refuse
    to believe everything is a throwaway. It just doesn't make sense.

    I think this is why I spend as much as I do on Patreon support.

    Mind you, I feel a bit questionable about _Patreon_, but it making it easier
    to support the small-time creators is a wonder.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Monday, January 27, 2020 18:10:24
    On 27 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    :)

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:25:00
    On 01-27-20 15:24, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe it's because I make music myself, but I still feel like there has
    to be a contingent of people who prefer to curate a personal collection
    of material, directly supporting the author(s) that they like. I refuse
    to believe everything is a throwaway. It just doesn't make sense.

    I like to have a music collection as well, and there's some practical reasons as well - I don't want to be tethered to the network (it's not always possible!), and I don't want to have to keep track of which tracks I have local copies of. Besides, I do listen to a lot of music many times. Having a copy makes more sense than streaming for me. I just want to be able to buy digital copies that I can download. Is that too much to ask? :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 13:09:00
    On 01-27-20 15:56, Adept wrote to ryan <=-

    I think this is why I spend as much as I do on Patreon support.

    Mind you, I feel a bit questionable about _Patreon_, but it making it easier to support the small-time creators is a wonder.

    That's an option too. :)


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 27, 2020 20:39:08
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Oli on Tue Jan 28 2020 10:02 am

    The Mandalorian is still not available in Germany ...

    It probably is on Bittorrent! :D

    "probably"? <ahem>

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 20:07:10
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 06:10p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to those here :) ?

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 27, 2020 23:49:12
    Yes, I'd like more content cross licensing in the distribution chain.
    It would be worth a modest increase in Netflix (etc) subscription rates
    to make it possible.

    Think we've been talking about BritBox/Acorn to watch decent TV (my opinion). Don't mind paying for what I feel I get value from. For instance...if the BBC would offer a worldwide license to be able to watch their programming by streaming...many of us would be happy to pay for it. Instead they offer BBC America which mainly plays American stuff all day long...like ST:TNG & CSI: Miami. Love Star Trek...but when I want to watch British/non-American
    TV...f*** TNG because you got a cheap license to run it...rather than actual British TV. Love David Tennant as the Doctor...but would rather watch the classic episodes I've never seen...no matter how hokey they might be.

    Gotta get something to eat to take my pills...so enough about me ranting & raving about what I can't get.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 27, 2020 23:54:39
    Pluto TV is a streaming service owned by Viacom (CBS). Same company which streams Discovery/Picard. It has commercials & allows you to watch a running feed like a TV station or pick many of the same titles to run when you want. Here's their US website: https://pluto.tv/live-tv/.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 27, 2020 23:56:39
    I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    They stream cancelled TV shows/movies usually 3 or 5 years old uncut with commercial spots.

    Hate having to do 2 messages...but Mystic was acting funky & not letting me
    go past 80 columns.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:45:01
    28 Jan 20 10:02, you wrote to me:

    He may be right.

    The Mandalorian is still not available in Germany ...

    It probably is on Bittorrent! :D

    Did I mention that I already watched Season 1 ;)

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Avon on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:52:17

    28 Jan 20 20:07, you wrote to Black Panther:

    On 27 Jan 2020 at 06:10p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo
    that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can
    create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to
    those here :) ?

    You mean PATH?

    If that works we can start to introduce different ways if delivery on the path.
    HAM, modem, pre-EMSI ... UUCP?

    Also every hop should go through a different fidonet software

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 06:26:00
    Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Pluto TV is a streaming service owned by Viacom (CBS). Same company
    which streams Discovery/Picard. It has commercials & allows you to
    watch a running feed like a TV station or pick many of the same titles
    to run when you want. Here's their US website:
    https://pluto.tv/live-tv/.

    They have a nice phone app; I've been watching the impeachment live from
    work over it. I'm mulling over cutting my cable off, they have a lot of content to offer over the internet that we'll be watching.

    It's probably out there, but the killer app is one that'd aggregate all of
    the streaming content on different services into one guide. I have a Roku
    TV, and the number of streaming channels I had no idea existed is mind- blowing.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 08:32:31
    On 28 Jan 2020 at 10:52a, Oli pondered and said...

    You mean PATH?

    Sorry, yes... so we deliberately set things up so that an echo takes the longest PATH we can. We could create a new test echo for this but it would
    take some coordination between nodes. I wonder what the best way to try and
    do this would be? Create a list of nodes who want to take part and then structure stuff thereafter?

    If that works we can start to introduce different ways if delivery on
    the path. HAM, modem, pre-EMSI ... UUCP?

    I can't see why a different PATH using FTN software wouldn't work...
    ideally I'd start with the BBS or other software we're using now before
    trying to introduce others, but sure I'm game to experiment with this :)

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things so
    that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    Creative ideas to build resilience between nodes in the network is something
    I am always interested in experimenting with :)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:53:13
    They have a nice phone app; I've been watching the impeachment live from work over it. I'm mulling over cutting my cable off, they have a lot of content to offer over the internet that we'll be watching.

    Been watching it for a while on the Roku & casting it to my Chromecast from Google.

    The 1 thing which bothers me about streaming anything is the telecomm
    companies are doing their best to screw us over with their damned data caps.
    I currently have 3MB DSL...rather than Comcrap at 40 because of burning
    through the 1 TB data cap. At 3 MB...I can burn through that cap...but I
    would have to really try hard to do it.

    Didn't know the "trial" was on Pluto. Bad thing is I'm usually at work when they are running it. Am happy Thom Hartmann does run it during his show...unless I'm at work.

    It's probably out there, but the killer app is one that'd aggregate all
    of the streaming content on different services into one guide. I have a Roku TV, and the number of streaming channels I had no idea existed is mind- blowing.

    The Roku Channel is currently the only app on any device I know which does this. Am binging Without a Trace from about 20 years ago. They do have it set up where you can watch "free" stuff or get many/all your paid fees through them.

    Probably the only other app I've used through the years since they've come
    out is Channel Pear. Roku used to have them on the box TWICE...but keep
    kicking them off...so try it with the Chromecast.

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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to Avon on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 17:24:47
    On 29 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things
    so that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least
    one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    Definitely not a bad idea. While I get my main fidonet feed from Mark Lewis,
    I was getting a bunch of echoes from both Allen Prunty and Bjorn Felten. Same echoes from the two of them. Much faster response times, much more durable if there was an issue with one of the feeds. Except for a couple of hiccups early on there were only minor issues with dupes. Mystic normally would catch them here.

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  • From Alter Ego@21:2/116 to Avon on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:18:13
    Re: Re: Travels
    By: Avon to Oli on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:32 am

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things so that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    So I started building an FTN hub with cockroachdb. cockroachdb if you are not aware, is an RDBMS (like mysql), but distributed in that no node is a master. But quorum is required for the DB to function.

    I particuarly like it because the comms between the nodes of the DB was secured
    with SSL, and SSL was required to connect (it uses postgreSQL as the protocol).

    My idea was that nodes could post to the DB (via binkd at a minimum) to any node of the DB, and collect mail (via binkd too) from any node of the DB - but it would also be possible to pick up packets using other protocols (like http, perhaps nntp, smtp, etc).

    I also envisioned that we could join zones together, so that anybody using the hub, could get any echo that was shared to it. (And yes, zone fudgieness would be taken care of...)

    I stopped working on it because of lack of time, and other things I started playing with. Perhaps I should pick it up again. (I think I got mail into it, and I was writing the export routines next...)

    Kinda would be cool - it would be 1980's technology, on 2020 technology :) ...deon


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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 18:20:08
    Pluto is not bad.. I turn it on when I am bored with everything else. It's
    nice to have about 10 movie channels even though they have commercials it's definitely worth the price. ;)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to ryan on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 15:56:13
    Re: Picard
    By: ryan to All on Sun Jan 26 2020 03:52 pm

    I pay for cable through Comcast in the USA. There's no choice here in the matter; if I want internet, I also have to get cable, so whatever.

    I had Comcast at one point. It's possible to have just internet with them (at least, it was) - I had internet and basic cable TV. One time I called them asking to remove the cable TV service, but they said my bill would increase. Seems a bit stupid and confusing to me.. But it seems like it's at least possible.

    So I don't particularly want to be beholden to another stupid streaming service. I looked for ways to buy the episodes independently. Guess what? They don't exist. Not through iTunes, not through Amazon...you literally have to subscribe to their stupid service to watch episodes.

    Things are getting a bit crazy. In no way will I pay CBS a monthly subscription just to watch a show.

    Yeah, I don't like having to subscribe to yet another service just for one show.

    There is another way to watch the show, though it's not a way they'd like us using..

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 16:06:27
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Adept to ryan on Sun Jan 26 2020 05:32 pm

    I mean, the music industry did that before, and the result was lots of piracy, until iTunes showed up.

    And with videos, Netflix showing up also reduced piracy, because it was easy and convenient enough.

    I don't quite know what the solution is, though, for video. I'd like for there to be multiple competitors with similar content that they paid access to, but that seems to be in no one's interest but for the consumers.

    Years ago I signed up for Netflix thinking I'd be able to watch movies when they came out for rent without actually going to somewhere like RedBox to get a
    disc. I was wrong. Movies don't seem to be released to streaming services when they come out for rent.

    And I agree, I wish they all had some similar content. I don't really like the
    lack of content, and also rotating content where they get rid of something I might want to watch. Things like that are one reason I still like to buy some movies & TV shows on disc sometimes, so I can watch them whenever I want. Also, there are occasional problems with streaming, when your internet service might occasionally have problems or the streaming service might have problems preventing you from watching something.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 16:07:51
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to ryan on Tue Jan 28 2020 09:55 am

    So I don't particularly want to be beholden to another stupid
    streaming service. I looked for ways to buy the episodes
    independently. Guess what? They don't exist. Not through iTunes, not
    through Amazon...you literally have to subscribe to their stupid
    service to watch episodes.

    *cough* bittorrent *cough* ;)

    In all seriousness, this sort of crap is what drves so-called "piracy". Give people what they want when they want at a reasonable price without forcing them to jump through hoops, and they will pay for it gladly. But if you dick people around like this, they'll find ways to buck the system.

    I agree. I don't really want to pay for yet another service just for another show. I wish they'd air Picard and Discovery on over-the-air TV like they did with the older Star Trek shows.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 18:01:20
    Phoobar wrote to ryan <=-

    Seem to also remember the guy they broke out of prison was Moss on The
    IT Crowd. I could be wrong...but having those flexible horns rather
    than an afro threw me off...but that voice.

    He does have a rather distinctive voice. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 21:58:00
    On 01-27-20 23:49, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, I'd like more content cross licensing in the distribution chain.
    It would be worth a modest increase in Netflix (etc) subscription rates
    to make it possible.

    Think we've been talking about BritBox/Acorn to watch decent TV (my opinion). Don't mind paying for what I feel I get value from. For instance...if the BBC would offer a worldwide license to be able to
    watch their programming by streaming...many of us would be happy to pay for it. Instead they offer BBC America which mainly plays American

    I'd agree. We're lucky here, because we have the ABC, which carries a fair bit of BBS programming, including Dr Who, and it's free, either on air or through its iView streaming service. :)

    a cheap license to run it...rather than actual British TV. Love David Tennant as the Doctor...but would rather watch the classic episodes
    I've never seen...no matter how hokey they might be.

    I haven't seen the classic episodes on TV for a long time. Have to watch on DVD.

    Gotta get something to eat to take my pills...so enough about me
    ranting & raving about what I can't get.

    :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 22:01:00
    On 01-27-20 23:54, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Pluto TV is a streaming service owned by Viacom (CBS). Same company
    which streams Discovery/Picard. It has commercials & allows you to
    watch a running feed like a TV station or pick many of the same titles
    to run when you want. Here's their US website:
    https://pluto.tv/live-tv/.

    Hmm OK, though I don't see how that solves the problem of the proliferation of services without cross licensing.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 22:04:00
    On 01-27-20 23:56, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    They stream cancelled TV shows/movies usually 3 or 5 years old uncut
    with commercial spots.

    Oh, OK. again, how does that stop the current issue of needing to pay for a gazillion services?

    Hate having to do 2 messages...but Mystic was acting funky & not
    letting me go past 80 columns.

    Hmm, I use offline mail. :D


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 17:06:42
    I agree. I don't really want to pay for yet another service just for another show. I wish they'd air Picard and Discovery on over-the-air TV like they did with the older Star Trek shows.

    I'd personally purchase the episodes outright and have no problem at all, but they want to force the subscription model. Which...frankly...is designed so that people forget that they're paying into it, or make it very difficult to get out of. Kind of like a gym.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 18:30:30
    On 28 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to those here :) ?

    That would be interesting. It sounds like it would be a pain to get
    everything set up...


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to ryan on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 21:45:32
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: ryan to Nightfox on Tue Jan 28 2020 05:06 pm

    I agree. I don't really want to pay for yet another service just
    for another show. I wish they'd air Picard and Discovery on
    over-the-air TV like they did with the older Star Trek shows.

    I'd personally purchase the episodes outright and have no problem at all, but they want to force the subscription model. Which...frankly...is designed so that people forget that they're paying into it, or make it very difficult to get out of. Kind of like a gym.

    I imagine Picard will eventually be available on DVD and blu-ray.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 22:25:44
    I imagine Picard will eventually be available on DVD and blu-ray.

    I agree. Hopefully it becomes available for purchase via iTunes or something.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:21:22
    Pluto is not bad.. I turn it on when I am bored with everything else.
    It's nice to have about 10 movie channels even though they have commercials it's definitely worth the price. ;)

    Another channel I like with a better selection is Vudu. Have a ton of
    movies/TV shows...plus they allow you to buy/rent new releases. With my slow DSL speed...I can choose between SD/HD to watch anything they have.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:30:11
    I had Comcast at one point. It's possible to have just internet with
    them (at least, it was) - I had internet and basic cable TV. One time I

    Had Comcrap for over a year with just internet...since any TV I wanted could
    be streamed. Hated it when they cut off my service after not sending me out a bill for a month. Believe the bill here with 40 M download was around $40 because I had my own equipment. Remember they threw a fit that I got used equipment from a thrift store...rather than using their stuff.

    CenturyLink charges me $45 a month for 3 MB download with none of the hassles
    I was always getting from Comcrap. Let them know I bought my own equipment & didn't ask anything else other than the model number. Was having an issue
    with connecting...a repairman was out here on a Saturday morning & fixed it...since it was outside the house for free. Was talking to a customer at
    work that they are upgrading the whole system...so I'm noticing a quarter of
    a MB faster speed than just a month or so ago.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Blue White on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:37:44
    Seem to also remember the guy they broke out of prison was Moss on Th IT Crowd. I could be wrong...but having those flexible horns rather
    He does have a rather distinctive voice. :)

    No fro or glasses...I didn't realize it until the end credits ran that Moss
    is now doing Star Wars.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Black Panther on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 08:36:23
    28 Jan 20 18:30, you wrote to Avon:

    On 28 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo
    that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can
    create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to
    those here :) ?

    That would be interesting. It sounds like it would be a pain to
    get everything set up...

    Every node in the path would have to setup two links for the echo. If a new node joins or one drops out, two nodes have to reconfigure one link. To aet it up is not really complicated or painful. How well it works is another question ...


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:46:33
    I'd agree. We're lucky here, because we have the ABC, which carries a fair bit of BBS programming, including Dr Who, and it's free, either on air or through its iView streaming service. :)

    Seen where they have the same type of services in the UK as well...but here
    in the US...someone's gotta screw somebody for that all mighty dollar...so we don't have stuff like FreeView & such. Add to that...the internet access
    keeps shooting up like crazy every year for slower speeds...while places like Korea & such pay a fraction that we do for blazing speeds. Gotta love all the bribery & payoffs to ensure the "big boys" have no competition to be able to shaft us to their heart's content.

    I haven't seen the classic episodes on TV for a long time. Have to
    watch on DVD.

    Pluto TV here is playing classic Who...mainly Tom Baker from BritBox over & over.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:48:14
    Pluto TV is a streaming service owned by Viacom (CBS). Same company
    Hmm OK, though I don't see how that solves the problem of the proliferation of services without cross licensing.

    It doesn't...at least here in America. Praise be that I MIGHT be able to
    watch Picard/Discovery on OTA on my death bed by the time the licensing is paid. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:51:19
    Oh, OK. again, how does that stop the current issue of needing to pay
    for a gazillion services?

    It doesn't...but with the $100 US I pay Nord VPN every two years...they have their licensing issues...while I still be able to watch whatever I want if I can find it.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Oli on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:39:00
    On 01-28-20 10:45, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    28 Jan 20 10:02, you wrote to me:

    He may be right.

    The Mandalorian is still not available in Germany ...

    It probably is on Bittorrent! :D

    Did I mention that I already watched Season 1 ;)

    Nuff said. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:43:00
    On 01-28-20 16:07, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    In all seriousness, this sort of crap is what drves so-called "piracy". Give people what they want when they want at a reasonable price without forcing them to jump through hoops, and they will pay for it gladly. But if you dick people around like this, they'll find ways to buck the system.

    I agree. I don't really want to pay for yet another service just for another show. I wish they'd air Picard and Discovery on over-the-air
    TV like they did with the older Star Trek shows.

    Yes, OTA would be nice, and these days, we can make use of PVRs to time shift it into a better timeslot, if they show it at weird hours. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:48:00
    On 01-28-20 23:46, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Seen where they have the same type of services in the UK as well...but here in the US...someone's gotta screw somebody for that all mighty dollar...so we don't have stuff like FreeView & such. Add to that...the

    Yes, the US version of capitalism can be particularly nasty at times. And our government looks up to the US. I couldn't think of a worse economic role model. :/

    internet access keeps shooting up like crazy every year for slower speeds...while places like Korea & such pay a fraction that we do for blazing speeds. Gotta love all the bribery & payoffs to ensure the "big boys" have no competition to be able to shaft us to their heart's
    content.

    :(

    I haven't seen the classic episodes on TV for a long time. Have to
    watch on DVD.

    Pluto TV here is playing classic Who...mainly Tom Baker from BritBox
    over & over.

    That's something, at least. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:50:00
    On 01-28-20 23:48, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Pluto TV is a streaming service owned by Viacom (CBS). Same company
    Hmm OK, though I don't see how that solves the problem of the proliferation of services without cross licensing.

    It doesn't...at least here in America. Praise be that I MIGHT be able
    to watch Picard/Discovery on OTA on my death bed by the time the
    licensing is paid. ;)

    If OTA is anything like here, it'll be a cesspit of stupid reality shows. Though at least in Oz, we have the ABC and SBS - two great public broadcasters.
    ABC, in particular, produces and airs quality content.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:51:00
    On 01-28-20 23:51, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Oh, OK. again, how does that stop the current issue of needing to pay
    for a gazillion services?

    It doesn't...but with the $100 US I pay Nord VPN every two years...they have their licensing issues...while I still be able to watch whatever I want if I can find it.

    That's helpful, and another example of them not "getting" the Internet and its implications. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Captain Obvious on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 21:03:00
    On 01-28-20 17:24, Captain Obvious wrote to Avon <=-

    On 29 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things
    so that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least
    one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    Definitely not a bad idea. While I get my main fidonet feed from Mark Lewis, I was getting a bunch of echoes from both Allen Prunty and Bjorn Felten. Same echoes from the two of them. Much faster response times,
    much more durable if there was an issue with one of the feeds. Except
    for a couple of hiccups early on there were only minor issues with
    dupes. Mystic normally would catch them here.

    I'd be happy to take part in a meshing experiment. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 21:06:00
    On 01-28-20 12:53, Phoobar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    They have a nice phone app; I've been watching the impeachment live from work over it. I'm mulling over cutting my cable off, they have a lot of content to offer over the internet that we'll be watching.

    Been watching it for a while on the Roku & casting it to my Chromecast from Google.

    The 1 thing which bothers me about streaming anything is the telecomm companies are doing their best to screw us over with their damned data caps. I currently have 3MB DSL...rather than Comcrap at 40 because of burning through the 1 TB data cap. At 3 MB...I can burn through that cap...but I would have to really try hard to do it.

    Since the NBN came here in 2017, I've had unlimited data. :)

    It's probably out there, but the killer app is one that'd aggregate all
    of the streaming content on different services into one guide. I have a Roku TV, and the number of streaming channels I had no idea existed is mind- blowing.

    Adds convenience but not sure it'll fix the cost issue. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 21:14:00
    On 01-28-20 17:06, ryan wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I'd personally purchase the episodes outright and have no problem at
    all, but they want to force the subscription model.

    Same here, and if they come out on Blu-ray, we're likely to buy the discs. :)

    Which...frankly...is designed so that people forget that they're paying into it, or make it very difficult to get out of. Kind of like a gym.

    Yep.


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:48:34
    29 Jan 20 21:03, you wrote to Captain Obvious:

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to
    structure things so that each node in the network could be
    meshed to others (at least one) as well as a HUB so as to build
    further resilience in comms.

    Definitely not a bad idea. While I get my main fidonet feed
    from Mark Lewis, I was getting a bunch of echoes from both
    Allen Prunty and Bjorn Felten. Same echoes from the two of
    them. Much faster response times, much more durable if there
    was an issue with one of the feeds. Except for a couple of
    hiccups early on there were only minor issues with dupes.
    Mystic normally would catch them here.

    I'd be happy to take part in a meshing experiment. :)

    Add some mails without msgids, a teaspoon of soft-CRs for the flavour, chop to equal length --> smashing success

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:03:52
    internet access keeps shooting up like crazy every year for slower speeds...while places like Korea & such pay a fraction that we do for blazing speeds. Gotta love all the bribery & payoffs to ensure the "b boys" have no competition to be able to shaft us to their heart's content.

    :(

    Ajit Pai sold conservatives on killing net neutrality because it would lower the operating costs for ISPs thus making broadband internet access more affordable.

    ISPs, particularly Comcast, have actually done the opposite (surprise surprise). They've invested less in infrastructure and prices for consumers still went up without reason this year. Thanks, Ajit Pai, you piece of crap.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 20:06:46
    Thanks, Ajit Pai, you piece of crap.

    I'm waiting for the South Park episode in which Mr. Pai gets murdered with a big mug.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 11:43:25
    Yes, the US version of capitalism can be particularly nasty at times.
    And our government looks up to the US. I couldn't think of a worse economic role model. :/

    It's getting to the point where the lie that you can do/be anything you want
    by hard work can't even be given with a straight face. Been shown the only
    way many here can get by is by marrying into money or having been born into
    it. Everybody else...screw them & the horse they rode in on. The only hope is if I/others get sick is we better die quick because the medical care will
    take anything we ever hoped to have or we die from something we caught in the hospital.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 11:45:10
    If OTA is anything like here, it'll be a cesspit of stupid reality
    shows. Though at least in Oz, we have the ABC and SBS - two great public broadcasters. ABC, in particular, produces and airs quality content.

    Have seen many of the ABC shows which made it over here. As good or better
    than the BBC.

    As you pointed out..."reality" TV clogs up the airways here as well.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 11:47:43
    It doesn't...but with the $100 US I pay Nord VPN every two years...th have their licensing issues...while I still be able to watch whatever want if I can find it.
    That's helpful, and another example of them not "getting" the Internet
    and its implications. :)

    I think they get it...since Comcrap (Universal/NBC) is the online cops for anyone torrenting anything...including Linux distros.

    If they could...these companies would outlaw VPN's or have the keys to be
    able to break them. At least Nord doesn't use logs...so if the cops ask for them...there's nothing there.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:05:40
    burning through the 1 TB data cap. At 3 MB...I can burn through that cap...but I would have to really try hard to do it.
    Since the NBN came here in 2017, I've had unlimited data. :)

    It's the opposite here in the states. Since the orange turd was elected & allowed companies to give us the shaft sideways...they started in 2017
    putting on data caps...except for fiber (very expensive & hard to find) or if you want to go with a business account. Previously with the idiot who used to live here...paid $45 a month for 1 TB access...then $50 a month for unlimited on top of that. Very few companies out there with unlimited access...unless
    you pay out the nose for it. It's American Exceptionalism at its finest!

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 13:17:05
    able to break them. At least Nord doesn't use logs...so if the cops ask for them...there's nothing there.

    I'm a bit skeptical on that last bit...I've read some security subreddits saying nordvpn is good but not great on that front.

    I tried making my own VPN in a digitalocean droplet but companies like
    Netflix know about DO's IP range and block them :(

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  • From maskreet@21:1/114 to ryan on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 17:17:10
    On 29 Jan 2020, ryan said the following...

    able to break them. At least Nord doesn't use logs...so if the cops a for them...there's nothing there.

    I'm a bit skeptical on that last bit...I've read some security subreddits saying nordvpn is good but not great on that front.

    I use Private Internet Access, have for years now. Love it. When I first got
    it they were fairly new, so speeds were about half what I'd get without VPN enabled. Since then I can't tell the difference most of the time.

    And they also don't use logging. I pay $7 a month, it's pretty sweet.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 14:30:17
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Phoobar to Nightfox on Tue Jan 28 2020 11:30 pm

    Had Comcrap for over a year with just internet...since any TV I wanted could be streamed. Hated it when they cut off my service after not sending me out a bill for a month. Believe the bill here with 40 M download was around $40 because I had my own equipment. Remember they threw a fit that I got used equipment from a thrift store...rather than using their stuff.

    When I first got broadband internet (in 2001), it was with a local cable company that eventually was bought out by Comcast. At the time we got cable internet, they used to let you save $10/month by owning your own modem. Then they changed their fees such that their internet service fee increased by $7 and their modem lease fee decreased by $7, so people who owned their own modem would then only be saving $3/month (and people leasing a modem from them would still be paying the same price). F*ckers.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 14:33:27
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:43 pm

    I agree. I don't really want to pay for yet another service just
    for another show. I wish they'd air Picard and Discovery on
    over-the-air
    TV like they did with the older Star Trek shows.

    Yes, OTA would be nice, and these days, we can make use of PVRs to time shift it into a better timeslot, if they show it at weird hours. :)

    Yep.
    I had thought about getting a DVR to record TV, but most of the over-the-air broadcast content can be streamed online (at least in the US) on the TV channels' web sites. And I've found I can also find those shows on BitTorrent..

    That has made me ponder an ethical question: Often, TV content providers don't like people downloading TV shows via BitTorrent and such, though DVRs tend to be legal. Is downloading a show via BitTorrent any worse, ethically, than recording a show via a DVR to watch later?

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 19:04:53
    On 28 Jan 2020, Phoobar said the following...


    Another channel I like with a better selection is Vudu. Have a ton of movies/TV shows...plus they allow you to buy/rent new releases. With my slow DSL speed...I can choose between SD/HD to watch anything they have.

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    I will have to look into Vudu.. :)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Oli on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:09:00
    On 01-29-20 12:48, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'd be happy to take part in a meshing experiment. :)

    Add some mails without msgids, a teaspoon of soft-CRs for the flavour, chop to equal length --> smashing success

    Hahaha good one. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:11:00
    On 01-29-20 10:03, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ajit Pai sold conservatives on killing net neutrality because it would lower the operating costs for ISPs thus making broadband internet
    access more affordable.

    It's amazing what people fall for. When the debates were raging over in the US, it was obvious to me what your ISPs were up to.

    Reminds me of privatised electricity over here. For all the promises of cheaper power, all we've had are higher prices and annoying telemarketers (energy companies are the biggest source of unwanted calls). :/

    ISPs, particularly Comcast, have actually done the opposite (surprise surprise). They've invested less in infrastructure and prices for consumers still went up without reason this year. Thanks, Ajit Pai, you piece of crap.

    Why am I not surprised? :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:18:00
    On 01-29-20 11:43, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's getting to the point where the lie that you can do/be anything you want by hard work can't even be given with a straight face. Been shown
    the only way many here can get by is by marrying into money or having
    been born into it. Everybody else...screw them & the horse they rode in on. The only hope is if I/others get sick is we better die quick
    because the medical care will take anything we ever hoped to have or we die from something we caught in the hospital.

    I think you're right. I haven't had the greatest opportunities for running into money, and I have some significant limitations on working hours - too many hours (even if it's my choice to work more) and I become susceptible to illness. Found that one out the hard way. :( And the threshold when I was in my mid 30s was somewhere between 38 and 45 hours/week for a few months. Certainly not what mst would consider "excessive overtime". And I was even being paid for those hours and chose to work them - the boss never said I had to. The extra time (first thing in the morning) was also quite productive, because I could do important things without disrupting too many people.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:20:00
    On 01-29-20 11:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Have seen many of the ABC shows which made it over here. As good or
    better than the BBC.

    Yes, ABC (Australian - not to be confused with the American commercial network with the same initials) and BBC shows are comparable in terms of quality, and tend to be easily shared between the two audiences.

    As you pointed out..."reality" TV clogs up the airways here as well.

    Yeah, and I tend to avoid those. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:21:00
    On 01-29-20 11:47, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think they get it...since Comcrap (Universal/NBC) is the online cops
    for anyone torrenting anything...including Linux distros.

    That actually shows they _don't_ get it. If they did, they'd be making content more easily accessible by legal means in ways customers want.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:25:00
    On 01-29-20 12:05, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's the opposite here in the states. Since the orange turd was elected
    & allowed companies to give us the shaft sideways...they started in
    2017 putting on data caps...except for fiber (very expensive & hard to find) or if you want to go with a business account. Previously with the idiot who used to live here...paid $45 a month for 1 TB access...then
    $50 a month for unlimited on top of that. Very few companies out there with unlimited access...unless you pay out the nose for it. It's
    American Exceptionalism at its finest!

    Your general pricing has always been cheaper. I think it's $99/month for my unlimited, though to be fair, I am with a premium provider, which means my service tends to be better than most during peak times (it hardly slows down most days). The premium for going unlimited was only $5/month, so that choice was a no brainer. Record usage has been around 2.5TB in a month. :)

    Sure, I could have gone cheaper with another provider, but that would have meant slower evening speeds due to a more congested backhaul and no IPv6, which I do use a lot here.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:31:00
    On 01-29-20 14:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yep.
    I had thought about getting a DVR to record TV, but most of the over-the-air broadcast content can be streamed online (at least in the
    US) on the TV channels' web sites. And I've found I can also find
    those shows on BitTorrent..

    Yes, the TV stations here also offer online streaming, which we do use to catch up with the occasional show on commercial TV, especially those we don't feel the need to keep.

    That has made me ponder an ethical question: Often, TV content
    providers don't like people downloading TV shows via BitTorrent and
    such, though DVRs tend to be legal. Is downloading a show via
    BitTorrent any worse, ethically, than recording a show via a DVR to
    watch later?

    There's a couple of ways to look at this.

    DVRs tend to be "warts and all", so the advertising is recorded along with the show, and there's a chance that the ads may be seen (yeah I know many of us do fast forward the ads ;) ). Mose DVRs these days also don't allow downloading of the recorded file. All you can do is watch it on the machine it was recorded on.

    Bittorrent, OTOH rarely includes the ads (or if it does, they'e often irrelevant to the end viewer), and of course, the downloaded file can be passed around without restrictions. :)

    But a great question.

    There's also those who use Bittorrent to "test drive" shows and movies, before committing to buying the DVD/Blu-ray or subscribing to watch it. In these cases, it could be argues that this can bring _more_ purchasers in some cases. :)


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 17:19:45
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Jan 30 2020 11:31 am

    DVRs tend to be "warts and all", so the advertising is recorded along with the show, and there's a chance that the ads may be seen (yeah I know many of us do fast forward the ads ;) ). Mose DVRs these days also don't allow downloading of the recorded file. All you can do is watch it on the machine it was recorded on.

    That's true.
    I have seen a couple devices on the market that are basically network-enabled DVRs that can record an over-the-air broadcast and then copy the video file to a Plex server, etc.. They can also stream OTR content to devices on your network.

    There's also those who use Bittorrent to "test drive" shows and movies, before committing to buying the DVD/Blu-ray or subscribing to watch it. In these cases, it could be argues that this can bring _more_ purchasers in some cases. :)

    That's true, though still I doubt content producers like that idea. :)

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  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 22:15:40
    There's also those who use Bittorrent to "test drive" shows and movies, before committing to buying the DVD/Blu-ray or subscribing to watch it. In these cases, it could be argues that this can bring _more_ purchasers in some cases. :)

    This is what I do. I'll download a movie to see if I like it and if I do then I'll buy the blueray so I can get all the added features as well as the movie. ---

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  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 22:19:45
    There's also those who use Bittorrent to "test drive" shows and movie before committing to buying the DVD/Blu-ray or subscribing to watch i these cases, it could be argues that this can bring _more_ purchasers some cases. :)

    That's true, though still I doubt content producers like that idea. :)

    Of course they don't, because it means they don't get paid for the "crap"
    they put out, only for the quality stuff.
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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 22:02:16
    Why am I not surprised? :/

    I wasn't always a liberal. I went from conservative to libertarian (in the US that means conservative who isn't religious) to pretty damn far left. The policies of conservatives are so transparent I have a hard time understanding how reasonable people support them.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 22:06:03
    I think you're right. I haven't had the greatest opportunities for running into money, and I have some significant limitations on working hours - too many hours (even if it's my choice to work more) and I
    become susceptible to illness. Found that one out the hard way. :( And the threshold when I was in my mid 30s was somewhere between 38 and 45 hours/week for a few months. Certainly not what mst would consider "excessive overtime". And I was even being paid for those hours and
    chose to work them - the boss never said I had to. The extra time
    (first thing in the morning) was also quite productive, because I could
    do important things without disrupting too many people.

    Here's an interesting thought exercise. It's within a generation that we (humans) may find ourselves in a world where human labor hours are rendered irrelevant, aside from a small number of highly skilled positions.

    I think how we deal with this world is a reflection on us as a species. I,
    for one, would welcome the opportunity for most of mankind to be able to be lazy and reap the benefits of the generations that came before it, spending more time for endeavors like education, relaxation, investment in family.

    The other side of the coin is that would be aghast at the idea that a person could get something without working (and possibly struggling) to get it. I'll never come to terms with these people. The same people are pro-life yet don't care if a kid starves because his or her parent is an underachiever. We're headed for interesting times.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 22:07:26
    Your general pricing has always been cheaper. I think it's $99/month
    for my unlimited, though to be fair, I am with a premium provider, which means my service tends to be better than most during peak times (it
    hardly slows down most days). The premium for going unlimited was only $5/month, so that choice was a no brainer. Record usage has been around 2.5TB in a month. :)

    I live in the heart of Silicon Valley, literally in the heart of downtown
    Palo Alto, and I pay almost $160USD/mo for internet that has a cap. We are by no means cheaper than anywhere else.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:46:03
    pro-life yet don't care if a kid starves because his or her parent is an

    Exactly, they are NOT Pro-Life, they are Pro-Birth. They don't give a damn
    what happens to the kid once it's born.
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  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:47:50
    I live in the heart of Silicon Valley, literally in the heart of downtown Palo Alto, and I pay almost $160USD/mo for internet that has a cap. We
    are by no means cheaper than anywhere else.

    I'm in Huntsville AL (Silicone Valley of the South) and pay $60/mth for
    gigabit Google Fiber. No data caps.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 16:53:00
    (energy companies are the biggest source of unwanted calls). :/

    I dunno, I reckon centrelink is right up there... :P However if you have no dealings with them, then you're right gas and electrickery are it..

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 16:58:00
    As you pointed out..."reality" TV clogs up the airways here as well.

    Yeah, and I tend to avoid those. :)

    The reality is, those shows are all rather unreal to say the least....

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Oli on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:12:25
    Thanks, Ajit Pai, you piece of crap.
    I'm waiting for the South Park episode in which Mr. Pai gets murdered
    with a big mug.

    Nah. Want to watch Batman and have Pai play the Joker who pisses off Batman enough where he takes him to highest point in Gotham City & lets him go. At
    the same time...telling him the same like Arnold used in Commando...remember when I promised I let you go...I didn't lie to you!

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:20:52
    (first thing in the morning) was also quite productive, because I could
    do important things without disrupting too many people.

    Used to work at Pizza Hut back in the late 80's & found coming in @ 7 AM or before meant getting tons of stuff done with only 1-2 people around you. Not
    a morning person...but love getting off early in the day. For instance...next M-F...will be on from 6-11 AM...then going back to evenings & being a vampire.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:24:23
    Yes, ABC (Australian - not to be confused with the American commercial network with the same initials) and BBC shows are comparable in terms of quality, and tend to be easily shared between the two audiences.

    Years ago...used to read the Syndey Morning Herald to learn what was
    happening here in the US. Now...I listen to the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting)
    for their news. The funniest thing was living in Colorado Springs, CO while Stargate was on TV. Colorado Springs looks NOTHING like Vancouver, BC. Out
    east of the city...it's prairie & flat...while the west of the city was mountainous.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:27:20
    I think they get it...since Comcrap (Universal/NBC) is the online cop for anyone torrenting anything...including Linux distros.
    That actually shows they _don't_ get it. If they did, they'd be making content more easily accessible by legal means in ways customers want.

    The thing about that is in a perfect world...you would be right...but when
    they are more concerned with their shareholders/upper management getting
    their bonuses...the companies don't care. If you remember Idiocracy & the
    show Ouch My Balls...they would run that 24/7 if it would get them their
    money.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 00:31:01
    Your general pricing has always been cheaper. I think it's $99/month
    for my unlimited, though to be fair, I am with a premium provider, which means my service tends to be better than most during peak times (it
    hardly slows down most days). The premium for going unlimited was only $5/month, so that choice was a no brainer. Record usage has been around 2.5TB in a month. :)

    Used to be before 2017 that you got unlimited (no caps) access for the same $40-50 US...but when they are allowed to fee you to death...they did it. On
    the other hand...if you have access to fiber...there is no cap...but I can't afford the cost or hope that I'm young enough to enjoy it when it MIGHT get here.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:19:00
    On 01-29-20 17:19, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's true.
    I have seen a couple devices on the market that are basically network-enabled DVRs that can record an over-the-air broadcast and then copy the video file to a Plex server, etc.. They can also stream OTR content to devices on your network.

    I haven't seen those here.

    There's also those who use Bittorrent to "test drive" shows and movies, before committing to buying the DVD/Blu-ray or subscribing to watch it. In these cases, it could be argues that this can bring _more_ purchasers in some cases. :)

    That's true, though still I doubt content producers like that idea. :)

    As I said, they don't get it. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:20:00
    On 01-29-20 22:15, Lupine Furmen wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is what I do. I'll download a movie to see if I like it and if I
    do then I'll buy the blueray so I can get all the added features as
    well as the movie. ---

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:21:00
    On 01-29-20 22:02, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Why am I not surprised? :/

    I wasn't always a liberal. I went from conservative to libertarian (in
    the US that means conservative who isn't religious) to pretty damn far left. The policies of conservatives are so transparent I have a hard
    time understanding how reasonable people support them.

    Yes, I tend to be moderately left of centre these days myself.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:24:00
    On 01-29-20 22:06, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Here's an interesting thought exercise. It's within a generation that
    we (humans) may find ourselves in a world where human labor hours are rendered irrelevant, aside from a small number of highly skilled positions.

    We are heading in that direction.

    I think how we deal with this world is a reflection on us as a species.
    I, for one, would welcome the opportunity for most of mankind to be
    able to be lazy and reap the benefits of the generations that came
    before it, spending more time for endeavors like education, relaxation, investment in family.

    I would welcome the opportunity to further myself. Almost in a Star Trek fashion, where personal growth becomes a major goal in itself, rather than the accumulaton of wealth. I would also look for opportunities to help others.

    The other side of the coin is that would be aghast at the idea that a person could get something without working (and possibly struggling) to get it. I'll never come to terms with these people. The same people are pro-life yet don't care if a kid starves because his or her parent is
    an underachiever. We're headed for interesting times.

    Major societal change. And how will we handle it? :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:25:00
    On 01-29-20 22:07, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I live in the heart of Silicon Valley, literally in the heart of
    downtown Palo Alto, and I pay almost $160USD/mo for internet that has a cap. We are by no means cheaper than anywhere else.

    Ouch, now that is steep. I did neglect to mention that my $99/month includes $10/month for the static IPv4 and IPv6 prefix. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:26:00
    On 01-30-20 16:53, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    (energy companies are the biggest source of unwanted calls). :/

    I dunno, I reckon centrelink is right up there... :P However if you
    have no dealings with them, then you're right gas and electrickery are it..

    Yeah, Centrelink is not normally on my radar. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:29:00
    On 01-30-20 16:58, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    As you pointed out..."reality" TV clogs up the airways here as well.

    Yeah, and I tend to avoid those. :)

    The reality is, those shows are all rather unreal to say the least....

    Very true, they're crontrived to maximise conflict, it seems.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:34:00
    On 01-30-20 00:20, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Used to work at Pizza Hut back in the late 80's & found coming in @ 7
    AM or before meant getting tons of stuff done with only 1-2 people
    around you. Not a morning person...but love getting off early in the

    Well, I used to work in IT, and when no one was around was a good time to do work that disrupted the network.

    day. For instance...next M-F...will be on from 6-11 AM...then going
    back to evenings & being a vampire.

    The mornings would be OK, I hate working evenings. Though I couldn't work in food/hospitality.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:36:00
    On 01-30-20 00:24, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Years ago...used to read the Syndey Morning Herald to learn what was happening here in the US. Now...I listen to the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting) for their news. The funniest thing was living in Colorado Springs, CO while Stargate was on TV. Colorado Springs looks NOTHING
    like Vancouver, BC. Out east of the city...it's prairie & flat...while
    the west of the city was mountainous.

    Haha that would be interesting. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:37:00
    On 01-30-20 00:27, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The thing about that is in a perfect world...you would be right...but
    when they are more concerned with their shareholders/upper management getting their bonuses...the companies don't care. If you remember Idiocracy & the show Ouch My Balls...they would run that 24/7 if it
    would get them their money.

    And yet if they played their cards right in satisfying customers, everyone could win and they'd get their profits. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 21:39:00
    On 01-30-20 00:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Used to be before 2017 that you got unlimited (no caps) access for the same $40-50 US...but when they are allowed to fee you to death...they
    did it. On the other hand...if you have access to fiber...there is no cap...but I can't afford the cost or hope that I'm young enough to
    enjoy it when it MIGHT get here.

    Things have changed over there.

    No fibre here, thanks to the bloody Liberal government changing the specs for the NBN in 2013, which means I got VDSL instead. :(


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 13:44:28
    Your general pricing has always been cheaper. I think it's $99/month
    for my unlimited, though to be fair, I am with a premium provider, which
    means my service tends to be better than most during peak times (it
    hardly slows down most days). The premium for going unlimited was only
    $5/month, so that choice was a no brainer. Record usage has been around
    2.5TB in a month. :)

    I live in the heart of Silicon Valley, literally in the heart of
    downtown
    Palo Alto, and I pay almost $160USD/mo for internet that has a cap. We
    are by
    no means cheaper than anywhere else.

    I live 50km north of Stockholm, in a small village in a rural area, and pay about $45 per month for 1GB/1GB unlimited fiber access to the internet with a fixed, public IP address. Just for comparison...


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, January 30, 2020 09:01:18
    I'm in Huntsville AL (Silicone Valley of the South) and pay $60/mth for gigabit Google Fiber. No data caps.

    Man I wish I could get Google Fiber. The options where I live are Comcast XFinity or a dish. It sucks.

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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 14:02:19
    On 30 Jan 2020, ryan said the following...

    Man I wish I could get Google Fiber. The options where I live are Comcast XFinity or a dish. It sucks.

    Same. If I moved about 50 miles east to Atlanta I could get it. Think I will stay right here <g>

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:07:40
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Jan 30 2020 09:19 pm

    I have seen a couple devices on the market that are basically
    network-enabled DVRs that can record an over-the-air broadcast and
    then copy the video file to a Plex server, etc.. They can also
    stream OTR content to devices on your network.

    I haven't seen those here.

    I don't think I had seen them in stores here, but I had seen them on Amazon and
    such.

    Nightfox
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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:31:12
    Well, I used to work in IT, and when no one was around was a good time
    to do work that disrupted the network.

    Did so as well around 20 years ago...before the bottom dropped out of the business. Many times working into the night to get things done. At least the taco's/pizza were good.

    The mornings would be OK, I hate working evenings. Though I couldn't
    work in food/hospitality.

    Thing I don't like is the job could be done better in the evening when foot traffic was much less than in the AM.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:32:34
    Springs, CO while Stargate was on TV. Colorado Springs looks NOTHING like Vancouver, BC. Out east of the city...it's prairie & flat...whil the west of the city was mountainous.
    Haha that would be interesting. :)

    Friends would hate it when I pointed out how that's not the town.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:34:12
    Idiocracy & the show Ouch My Balls...they would run that 24/7 if it would get them their money.
    And yet if they played their cards right in satisfying customers,
    everyone could win and they'd get their profits. :)

    True...but no matter how cheap a product is...these folks still cry that it's way too expensive.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36:03
    No fibre here, thanks to the bloody Liberal government changing the
    specs for the NBN in 2013, which means I got VDSL instead. :(

    They do have fiber here...only in the "correct" part of town. The rest of us get by with 3 MB down.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 15:32:20
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Phoobar on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:48 pm

    Seen where they have the same type of services in the UK as
    well...but here in the US...someone's gotta screw somebody for that
    all mighty dollar...so we don't have stuff like FreeView & such. Add
    to that...the

    Yes, the US version of capitalism can be particularly nasty at times. And our government looks up to the US. I couldn't think of a worse economic role model. :/

    The US government seems to believe in a version of capitalism that favors businesses more than consumers. It has allowed things like internet & TV bundling that screws customers for pricing if they only want one service and don't want a bundle; also, high prices for cell phone plans that include a device lease, and expensive cell phones if you purchase it up-front (the latest
    iPhone and Samsung Galaxy can cost near $1,000 these days).

    And I've heard customers in the US tend to pay the most money for comparatively
    slow internet service (compared to other countries).

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 15:33:22
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Phoobar on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:50 pm

    If OTA is anything like here, it'll be a cesspit of stupid reality shows. Though at least in Oz, we have the ABC and SBS - two great public broadcasters.
    ABC, in particular, produces and airs quality content.

    I still like OTA TV, but I often watch it for news, some game shows and a couple other shows I like these days (The Orville was on OTA TV, but I heard it's moving to Hulu).

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 30, 2020 15:34:26
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to ryan on Wed Jan 29 2020 09:14 pm

    I'd personally purchase the episodes outright and have no problem at
    all, but they want to force the subscription model.

    Same here, and if they come out on Blu-ray, we're likely to buy the discs. :)

    I'd be surprised if they don't release Picard on blu-ray. Blu-ray seems like a
    paradox - I keep hearing people say optical discs are dead, yet they keep releasing content on optical discs.. It's hard to tell.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Thursday, January 30, 2020 18:17:13
    Years ago I signed up for Netflix thinking I'd be able to watch movies when they came out for rent without actually going to somewhere like RedBox to get a disc. I was wrong. Movies don't seem to be released to streaming services when they come out for rent.

    Yeah, and I think the problem has gotten worse over time. I do like that,
    say, the DVD Netflix, or your local library, can have a nice complete catalog that won't disappear unless the discs break.

    But occasionally I think, or have someone say, "Well, maybe it's on Netflix". And the answer is, no, it's not. If you're ever searching for something in particular on a streaming service, it's not there. You can only ever browse until you find something interesting.

    I know that's not literally true, but it's close enough that searching is rarely worth it -- barring knowing that something was a Netflix series or something.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 18:20:33
    movies/TV shows...plus they allow you to buy/rent new releases. With my

    If only there were a way to know that, if you buy something, it'd still be there in 20 years. At least at the same rate that, say, having purchased a
    VHS tape allows you to still play it 20 years on.

    ...not that I know what people were doing still purchasing VHS tapes in 2000, but still...

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Thursday, January 30, 2020 18:50:09
    modem. Then they changed their fees such that their internet service
    fee increased by $7 and their modem lease fee decreased by $7, so people who owned their own modem would then only be saving $3/month (and people leasing a modem from them would still be paying the same price).

    That's pretty lame as a change, though I do like the concept that they're now pricing the modem about how much it should be priced at as a rental, rather than vastly overcharging and daring you to figure it out on your own.

    But I really detest fees that should just be part of the base price.

    Especially with something like this, where they oftentimes also try to make
    it unreasonably hard to use any modem that isn't rented from them.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Thursday, January 30, 2020 19:03:44
    I live in the heart of Silicon Valley, literally in the heart of downtown Palo Alto, and I pay almost $160USD/mo for internet that has a cap. We
    are by no means cheaper than anywhere else.

    That seems so odd to me.

    At least San Francisco is getting some fiber, and there's some semblance of competition.

    But the best internet I had, on a value basis (well, possibly a speed basis, too) was when on municipal internet because the city figured (correctly) that it was going to be a long while before the local cable/telco companies were going to bother putting fiber in, so they built their own network.

    They got sued, of course, with the only reason for the lawsuit being to delay the city by a year. During which time the local companies started building
    out their own networks, so that they could undercut the municipal competition.

    So there were lots of arguments against it, but man was it nice internet for the city, and no way would they have had it without that governmental push.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 30, 2020 19:09:27
    Nah. Want to watch Batman and have Pai play the Joker who pisses off Batman enough where he takes him to highest point in Gotham City & lets

    Reminds me that I'd dearly love for candidates to answer some copyright/patent/trademark law questions, as well as general digital
    questions. E.g., net neutrality, privacy, control of data, etc. for the
    latter bit.

    I know that occasionally net neutrality has come up, but that's about it. I'd love to hear some answers to, "The constitution gives congress the power to
    set copyright to last a 'limited' time. What length of time would you like congress to set it at?".

    People's answer to that would absolutely get me to jump ship from/to
    candidates based on their answers.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Adept on Thursday, January 30, 2020 19:58:35
    But the best internet I had, on a value basis (well, possibly a speed basis, too) was when on municipal internet because the city figured (correctly) that it was going to be a long while before the local cable/telco companies were going to bother putting fiber in, so they
    built their own network.

    Interesting. Call me socialist, but from my perspective the internet feels a lot more like a public utility (like public school, for example) than some expensive luxury.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Adept on Thursday, January 30, 2020 20:01:55
    Reminds me that I'd dearly love for candidates to answer some copyright/patent/trademark law questions, as well as general digital questions. E.g., net neutrality, privacy, control of data, etc. for the latter bit.

    Elizabeth Warren's "I'm gonna break up Facebook!" is the left's version of Trump's "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico will pay for it!" It's like...there's no legal reason or framework for making these things happen, you're just appealing to the lowest common denominator voter with no critical thinking skills.

    I remember at Def Con last year (or maybe Blackhat) there was an interesting talk given by a couple of congresspeople. I think they all had CS degrees and it was a fascinating discussion about the generation gap in the government.
    You have folks clueless about technology writing legislation about
    technology. Doesn't pass the sniff test, but...that's the government, I suppose.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Thursday, January 30, 2020 20:20:18
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Adept to Nightfox on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:17 pm

    But occasionally I think, or have someone say, "Well, maybe it's on Netflix". And the answer is, no, it's not. If you're ever searching for something in particular on a streaming service, it's not there. You can only ever browse until you find something interesting.

    I know that's not literally true, but it's close enough that searching is rarely worth it -- barring knowing that something was a Netflix series or something.

    I've had the same issue, searching for something on Netflix I want to watch and
    finding it's not there.

    I've actually started to enjoy watching content on YouTube. Since YouTube doesn't require a subscription, there's a lot of stuff posted there by pretty much anyone who wants to post a video. I can search for pretty much any topic and find a video of it on YouTube.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 20:09:02
    On 30 Jan 2020 at 08:20p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    I've had the same issue, searching for something on Netflix I want to watch and finding it's not there.

    I've actually started to enjoy watching content on YouTube. Since
    YouTube doesn't require a subscription, there's a lot of stuff posted there by pretty much anyone who wants to post a video. I can search for pretty much any topic and find a video of it on YouTube.

    Ditto here... lots of interesting stuff surfaces once you find 2-3 clips on a subject you like. Or folks share stuff here there everywhere and you can go search for it :)

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 09:08:35
    Reminds me that I'd dearly love for candidates to answer some
    copyright/patent/trademark law questions, as well as general digital
    questions. E.g., net neutrality, privacy, control of data, etc. for the
    latter bit.

    Elizabeth Warren's "I'm gonna break up Facebook!" is the left's
    version of
    Trump's "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico will pay for it!" It's like...there's no legal reason or framework for making these things
    happen,
    you're just appealing to the lowest common denominator voter with no critical
    thinking skills.

    I remember at Def Con last year (or maybe Blackhat) there was an interesting
    talk given by a couple of congresspeople. I think they all had CS
    degrees and
    it was a fascinating discussion about the generation gap in the
    government.
    You have folks clueless about technology writing legislation about technology. Doesn't pass the sniff test, but...that's the government,
    I
    suppose.

    When you have a website like Facebook which can literally help you with steering elections or help overthrow governments then *something* has to be done. Facebook is (pardon my language) fucking dangerous and they know they have this power and isn't afraid to use it. Can you imagine what would happen if they got people to use Facebooks own currency, Libra, what power Facebook would have in terms of not only tracking the movements and lives of billions of
    people but also tracking what they buy and where... it's goddamn scary and I for one am all for breaking up or even destroying Facebook for good. It's doing
    anything noteworthy for humanity and as such it is worthless.


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 00:29:05
    I've had the same issue, searching for something on Netflix I want to watch and finding it's not there.

    Yeah - aside from the stuff that they produce that you know is good because you've heard about it, you have to sift through 99.999% garbage to find anything interesting. I am hopeful the market swings around to prove that
    this isn't a viable model of providing content for a fee and that the
    consumers drive the trends in the future.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Joacim Melin on Friday, January 31, 2020 00:34:01
    When you have a website like Facebook which can literally help you with steering elections or help overthrow governments then *something* has to be done. Facebook is (pardon my language) fucking dangerous and they
    know they have this power and isn't afraid to use it. Can you imagine what would happen if they got people to use Facebooks own currency,
    Libra, what power Facebook would have in terms of not only tracking the movements and lives of billions of people but also tracking what they
    buy and where... it's goddamn scary and I for one am all for breaking
    up or even destroying Facebook for good. It's doing anything noteworthy for humanity and as such it is worthless.

    This isn't true. Facebook wants to protect free speech and they don't use
    "this power" to do anything. They're deeply concerned about the intersection
    of protecting free speech and numbnuts people believing every silly thing
    they read on the internet.

    On the one hand, people believing everything they read is a problem of the generation that grew up without technology; young people have no problem navigating this smartly. SO this is a simple generational thing.

    On the other hand, Facebook does collect a ton of data...but do you have any idea how stringent they are internally about who can see or touch what data? Their hands are tied, across the board. They as a company can do nothing with it nor can they drive a conversation in one way or another. In fact, for something to hit their radar, someone has to flag it. If far-right
    echochambers don't flag anything, they don't flag anything, and for better or worse Facebook is simply trying to protect free speech.

    The reason I know about this is because my girlfriend was recently the technical program manager for their election research commission and recently she transitioned to the elections team, proactively attempting to detect
    nation state activity on the platform to influence elections.

    I won't frequently come to the defense of Facebook. I don't have an account, I've disabled it, but not because of the platform itself, but because of how humans that use the platform choose to interact.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 09:01:05
    30 Jan 20 20:01, you wrote to Adept:

    Elizabeth Warren's "I'm gonna break up Facebook!" is the left's
    version of Trump's "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico will pay
    for it!" It's like...there's no legal reason or framework for
    making these things happen, you're just appealing to the lowest
    common denominator voter with no critical thinking skills.

    And the moderates have Biden who wants to get rid of Section 230, because he doesn't like "little creeps" who run some of Silicon Valley's biggest businesses and has "never been a big Zuckerberg fan"

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/joe-biden-is-so-mad-at-fa cebook-he-wants-to-revoke-sec-230-for-everyone/

    In comparison to Biden's ideas Warrens plan makes much more sense. Regulating and breaking up companies and monopolies which have too much power is something
    that has to be done from time to time. But it also can backfire or just not work as intended.

    Trump's border wall is just plain stupid and targets people without power not people and companies with too much power, money and influence. The intentions are very different, but both plans might fail equally. Unfortunately we will never see Warren as a president (woman bevoming predident who wants to disruppt
    powerful companies led by men. not happening in the next election).

    I remember at Def Con last year (or maybe Blackhat) there was an interesting talk given by a couple of congresspeople. I think
    they all had CS degrees and it was a fascinating discussion
    about the generation gap in the government. You have folks
    clueless about technology writing legislation about technology.
    Doesn't pass the sniff test, but...that's the government, I
    suppose.

    True. Some bad things happening in the internet. Let's invent some laws that prohibit that and we need access to all data and collect everything - encryption without backdoors is the worst (think about all the terrorists!!!). Someone posted something stupid about me, facebook bad, let's create some completely useless regulations ...

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 09:34:36
    30 Jan 20 19:58, you wrote to Adept:

    But the best internet I had, on a value basis (well, possibly a
    speed basis, too) was when on municipal internet because the
    city figured (correctly) that it was going to be a long while
    before the local cable/telco companies were going to bother
    putting fiber in, so they built their own network.

    Interesting. Call me socialist, but from my perspective the
    internet feels a lot more like a public utility (like public
    school, for example) than some expensive luxury.

    Nothing socalist about it. Why should someone pay more money for internet access than for electricity, water or the usage of roads? everyone should have access to free or cheap (and fast) internet.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Friday, January 31, 2020 02:20:49
    And the moderates have Biden who wants to get rid of Section 230,
    because he doesn't like "little creeps" who run some of Silicon Valley's biggest businesses and has "never been a big Zuckerberg fan"

    Yep :( And corporate news media keeps propping him up because it means
    business as usual for all of them in the face of the "if we have
    billionaires, something is wrong" leftist candidates running these days.

    They don't give a hoot about Biden beyond him helping rich people maintain
    the status quo. But man...wanna talk about creepy? He's the pot calling the kettle black!

    In comparison to Biden's ideas Warrens plan makes much more sense. Regulating and breaking up companies and monopolies which have too much power is something that has to be done from time to time. But it also
    can backfire or just not work as intended.

    I agree breaking up monopolies is a good idea. Hence why I think companies
    like Comcast should be punished for owning infrastructure and behaving like a cartel so nobody else is able to invest in a region. But I also don't think I agree that Facebook is a monopoly; if they are, so is Twitter, so is
    LinkedIn, so is any number of tech companies that have a large degree of success in a market. But none of these companies own the airwaves, and any "better" idea has the potential to unseat one of these. I do think the corporate strategy of a company like Facebook to keep investing in bullshit ideas that really does more to tarnish the brand image than anything else
    will result in more of a backlash than anything the government can do :)

    Trump's border wall is just plain stupid and targets people without
    power not people and companies with too much power, money and influence. The intentions are very different, but both plans might fail equally. Unfortunately we will never see Warren as a president (woman bevoming predident who wants to disruppt powerful companies led by men. not happening in the next election).

    Put it this way: I'm super glad Hillary didn't get to own that honor for the rest of eternity, and I think a lot of people that share my sentiment would much rather someone like Warren own it. However, I agree that I don't think Warren will be able to pull it off; she's a bit transparently two faced and
    the recent Sanders fiasco didn't end up helping her one iota. But like I
    said, we'll see. *shrug*

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Friday, January 31, 2020 02:22:48
    Nothing socalist about it. Why should someone pay more money for internet access than for electricity, water or the usage of roads? everyone
    should have access to free or cheap (and fast) internet.

    I heard someone grousing recently about people on welfare owning smartphones. Call me crazy, but smartphones are seriously important these days. To succeed in 21st century society, it's damn close to a necessity...like the internet. But yeah. Crazy set of circumstances these days.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 13:08:21
    When you have a website like Facebook which can literally help you with
    steering elections or help overthrow governments then *something* has to
    be done. Facebook is (pardon my language) fucking dangerous and they
    know they have this power and isn't afraid to use it. Can you imagine
    what would happen if they got people to use Facebooks own currency,
    Libra, what power Facebook would have in terms of not only tracking the
    movements and lives of billions of people but also tracking what they
    buy and where... it's goddamn scary and I for one am all for breaking
    up or even destroying Facebook for good. It's doing anything noteworthy
    for humanity and as such it is worthless.

    This isn't true. Facebook wants to protect free speech and they don't
    use
    "this power" to do anything. They're deeply concerned about the intersection
    of protecting free speech and numbnuts people believing every silly
    thing
    they read on the internet.

    On the one hand, people believing everything they read is a problem of
    the
    generation that grew up without technology; young people have no
    problem
    navigating this smartly. SO this is a simple generational thing.

    On the other hand, Facebook does collect a ton of data...but do you
    have any
    idea how stringent they are internally about who can see or touch what data?
    Their hands are tied, across the board. They as a company can do
    nothing with
    it nor can they drive a conversation in one way or another. In fact,
    for
    something to hit their radar, someone has to flag it. If far-right echochambers don't flag anything, they don't flag anything, and for
    better or
    worse Facebook is simply trying to protect free speech.

    The reason I know about this is because my girlfriend was recently the technical program manager for their election research commission and recently
    she transitioned to the elections team, proactively attempting to
    detect
    nation state activity on the platform to influence elections.

    I won't frequently come to the defense of Facebook. I don't have an account,
    I've disabled it, but not because of the platform itself, but because
    of how
    humans that use the platform choose to interact.

    I deleted my account 2,5 years ago. I got tired of how they constantly changed things (for example: sharing a photo and the default setting was to "Family" only was suddenly changed to "Public"... happened many times) behind my back, how they time and time again lied and cheated with their iOS app and how they constantly tried to steer me as a user in different directions. No - I stand by my opinion that Facebook is bloody dangerous and should be banned - it's a giant advertising machine with enough power to allow people to do really bad things.


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 12:46:59
    31 Jan 20 02:22, you wrote to me:

    Nothing socalist about it. Why should someone pay more money
    for internet access than for electricity, water or the usage of
    roads? everyone should have access to free or cheap (and fast)
    internet.

    I heard someone grousing recently about people on welfare owning smartphones. Call me crazy, but smartphones are seriously
    important these days. To succeed in 21st century society, it's
    damn close to a necessity...like the internet. But yeah. Crazy
    set of circumstances these days.

    We had this outcry a couple of years ago. Refugees (many from Syria) owning smartphones! Like their whole plan was to come to Europe to buy a smartphone from the couple of bucks they receive from the state to survive. Hard to imagine they also use the Internet, messengers and want to stay in contact with
    their friends and families.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 14:27:04

    I agree breaking up monopolies is a good idea. Hence why I think
    companies like Comcast should be punished for owning
    infrastructure and behaving like a cartel so nobody else is able
    to invest in a region. But I also don't think I agree that
    Facebook is a monopoly; if they are, so is Twitter, so is
    LinkedIn, so is any number of tech companies that have a large
    degree of success in a market. But none of these companies own
    the airwaves, and any "better" idea has the potential to unseat
    one of these. I do think the corporate strategy of a company
    like Facebook to keep investing in bullshit ideas that really
    does more to tarnish the brand image than anything else will
    result in more of a backlash than anything the government can do
    :)

    Maybe you are right, but despite the fact that facebook.com getting worse every
    year the company is pretty successful. But so was AOL, myspace, Yahoo and others until they weren't.

    From all the big players facebook is the one that most likely crumbles and people will just move on to the next service.

    Mabye it would be a better strategie to enforce open standards and interoperability instead of breaking up companies. I don't see this happening, but it would be really nice. Walled gardens suck...

    Put it this way: I'm super glad Hillary didn't get to own that
    honor for the rest of eternity, and I think a lot of people that
    share my sentiment would much rather someone like Warren own it.
    However, I agree that I don't think Warren will be able to pull
    it off; she's a bit transparently two faced and the recent
    Sanders fiasco didn't end up helping her one iota. But like I
    said, we'll see. *shrug*

    Biden wins, nothing changes ;)
    or
    unexpected win for Trump (again), voting machines hacked by Russia ("totally false! witch hunt ..."), Democrats get crazy and cannot do anything about it ... World War VI.


    Yeah, we'll see ...

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 08:52:00
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: ryan to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:29 am

    I've had the same issue, searching for something on Netflix I want
    to watch and finding it's not there.

    Yeah - aside from the stuff that they produce that you know is good because you've heard about it, you have to sift through 99.999% garbage to find anything interesting. I am hopeful the market swings around to prove that this isn't a viable model of providing content for a fee and that the consumers drive the trends in the future.

    I saw something online recently where someone said "I wonder how long it will be until some genius bundles several streaming services together and basically re-invents cable." I think the idea behind streaming services was to provide a
    cheaper alternative to cable/satellite TV and similar services, which can charge you quite a bit for a bunch of channels you might not watch.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 10:30:59
    Elizabeth Warren's "I'm gonna break up Facebook!" is the left's version
    of Trump's "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico will pay for it!" It's like...there's no legal reason or framework for making these things

    I mean, there's anti-trust law, which was used to pressure Microsoft and IBM before it, and was highly helpful in making it easier for Facebook and Google to ascend.

    And the actual break up of AT&T, but after SBC became AT&T again it kinda
    felt like it never really happened.

    I agree it's unlikely to happen, though I'm guessing that Facebook is the one entity that will be the most pressured, one way or another. Mostly because
    they don't really have friends in government, as Republicans and Democrats
    tend to dislike them, if for different reasons.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 10:40:29
    On the one hand, people believing everything they read is a problem of
    the generation that grew up without technology; young people have no problem navigating this smartly. SO this is a simple generational thing.

    Hah!

    I think I'd find that argument problematic in its format even if I thought there was any merit to the content.

    Yes, young people are better with newer technology, as has generally been the case, but the amount of times I've immediately looked up Snopes articles or whatever is legion, and I wasn't doing it exclusively with the over-40 set.

    And, heck, I grew up arguing on BBSs and yet I still have a hard time
    resisting a good troll.

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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to Adept on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:10:03
    On 31 Jan 2020, Adept said the following...

    Yes, young people are better with newer technology, as has generally
    been the case, but the amount of times I've immediately looked up Snopes articles or whatever is legion, and I wasn't doing it exclusively with
    the over-40 set.

    Agreed. My kids range in age from 17 to 30 and most of the folks in their generation that I come in contact with (daily at work and through them as
    well) seem to be much less cynical and less likely to ask questions than
    folks my age that I deal with. I was taught to always question (and hopefully have passed that on to my children.) For the most part I don't think that believing everything you read is locked to a particular age group.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:25:20
    and don't want a bundle; also, high prices for cell phone plans that include a device lease, and expensive cell phones if you purchase it up-front (the latest iPhone and Samsung Galaxy can cost near $1,000
    these days).

    Funny how the same people who can barely afford items living paycheck to paycheck (like myself) have to have these new devices. Myself...bought a prepaid LG K450 3 years ago which still works very well. Am going to cry like the day my cat died when it does. Nice size screen...big battery & lets me watch files from my media server at lunch at work. Thing is...I use my phone very rarely...even though it's on a prepaid plan which starts with a "T". Has over 3K minutes & 5K text messages left for over the past year. Have ended up getting a $20 card every 3 months to keep it active...which keeps on adding more minutes & such. I can watch TV/movies on it...I'm happy.

    And I've heard customers in the US tend to pay the most money for comparatively slow internet service (compared to other countries).

    Just signed up for Britbox & it does lag...but it is something I'm willing to pay for to make me laugh at the comedies after a long day at work. Just wish the DSL provider would upgrade their lines faster.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:07:00
    On 01-30-20 11:07, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I haven't seen those here.

    I don't think I had seen them in stores here, but I had seen them on Amazon and
    such.

    OK, that just killed my interest. Amazon is such a pain here, because so little of their range is actually available outside the US. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:16:00
    On 01-30-20 12:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Well, I used to work in IT, and when no one was around was a good time
    to do work that disrupted the network.

    Did so as well around 20 years ago...before the bottom dropped out of
    the business. Many times working into the night to get things done. At least the taco's/pizza were good.

    Haha, yeah IT changed for me, with the low end being taken over by cheap Chinese boxes, and the rest being the big corporate stuff, which doesn't interest me at all.

    The mornings would be OK, I hate working evenings. Though I couldn't
    work in food/hospitality.

    Thing I don't like is the job could be done better in the evening when foot traffic was much less than in the AM.

    Oh, OK.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:17:00
    On 01-30-20 12:32, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Springs, CO while Stargate was on TV. Colorado Springs looks NOTHING like Vancouver, BC. Out east of the city...it's prairie & flat...whil the west of the city was mountainous.
    Haha that would be interesting. :)

    Friends would hate it when I pointed out how that's not the town.

    Haha I'd just have a giggle. :D As it is, I often comment that a lot of alien planets look a bit like BC, Canada. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:18:00
    On 01-30-20 12:34, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    True...but no matter how cheap a product is...these folks still cry
    that it's way too expensive.

    Some do. :( I had no qualms about the cost of Netflix.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:22:00
    On 01-30-20 12:36, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    No fibre here, thanks to the bloody Liberal government changing the
    specs for the NBN in 2013, which means I got VDSL instead. :(

    They do have fiber here...only in the "correct" part of town. The rest
    of us get by with 3 MB down.

    Here the lottery is how far you are from the VDSL node. I'm fairly lucky, I get over 90Mbps. My late friend could barely get 10, and he was probably better off on his old ADSL.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:25:00
    On 01-30-20 15:32, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The US government seems to believe in a version of capitalism that
    favors businesses more than consumers. It has allowed things like internet & TV bundling that screws customers for pricing if they only
    want one service and don't want a bundle; also, high prices for cell
    phone plans that include a device lease, and expensive cell phones if
    you purchase it up-front (the latest
    iPhone and Samsung Galaxy can cost near $1,000 these days).

    Some of those are not too different here.

    And I've heard customers in the US tend to pay the most money for comparatively
    slow internet service (compared to other countries).

    NBN has improved things here, but we're still lagging behind in terms of speed. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:26:00
    On 01-30-20 15:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I still like OTA TV, but I often watch it for news, some game shows and
    a couple other shows I like these days (The Orville was on OTA TV, but
    I heard it's moving to Hulu).

    All we use it for is news and the occasional public event. Everything else comes from some dsort of medium.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:28:00
    On 01-30-20 15:34, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'd be surprised if they don't release Picard on blu-ray. Blu-ray
    seems like a
    paradox - I keep hearing people say optical discs are dead, yet they
    keep releasing content on optical discs.. It's hard to tell.

    I think Blu-ray still has some life left. It's (supposedly) more robust than DVD, and can fit a lot of special features.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Friday, January 31, 2020 20:06:00
    On 01-30-20 13:44, Joacim Melin wrote to ryan <=-

    I live 50km north of Stockholm, in a small village in a rural area, and pay about $45 per month for 1GB/1GB unlimited fiber access to the
    internet with a fixed, public IP address. Just for comparison...

    Some people have all the luck. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 20:09:00
    On 01-30-20 20:20, Nightfox wrote to Adept <=-

    I've actually started to enjoy watching content on YouTube. Since
    YouTube doesn't require a subscription, there's a lot of stuff posted there by pretty much anyone who wants to post a video. I can search
    for pretty much any topic and find a video of it on YouTube.

    YouTube actually has a lot of interesting content, if you look around.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:51:29
    But occasionally I think, or have someone say, "Well, maybe it's on Netflix". And the answer is, no, it's not. If you're ever searching for

    Thing I hated about Netflix is they would be showing stuff outside the US/Canada we would have to pay extra for here. Even if not paying extra for it...their selection would be better. Got to the point when I canceled after
    5 years that the only thing we would see is their own productions...which
    many blew worse than an intern on Clinton.

    Haven't had Netflix in about 2 years. This afternoon...just signed up for BritBox. Hoping with my roommate asleep or at work...that it doesn't lag like it does when he's watching something else in the other room. Only other hope
    is CenturyLink gets their lines upgraded soon.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Friday, January 31, 2020 16:55:45
    If only there were a way to know that, if you buy something, it'd still
    be there in 20 years. At least at the same rate that, say, having purchased a VHS tape allows you to still play it 20 years on.

    Bad thing about VHS or other taped formats is the tape degrades like
    floppies & such. My HEVC encoded stuff will still be crisp in 20 years...if
    the medium I save to is still viable.

    ...not that I know what people were doing still purchasing VHS tapes in 2000, but still...

    Still know people who head to pawn shops & such to buy used VHS players/tapes when their's break down. With no more being built...this is a future with a certain ending.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:11:22
    Especially with something like this, where they oftentimes also try to make it unreasonably hard to use any modem that isn't rented from them.

    Comcrap tried that with me when I found the same modem they use at a thrift store for $7.00. They threw a fit & were doing everything to keep me from
    using it. When I told them that I do have another option...they relented.

    On the other hand...CenturyLink asked me the model # of my DSL modem I got for the same price. Same model with same branding...never did anything than
    suggest for me to make sure to get the firmware updated...which I did already.

    Still have the cable modem in a drawer...along with the Cisco router I picked up for less than $10 from another thrift store.

    That's why I didn't even think about going back to Comcrap...even with their faster speeds & not forgetting some of the BS they did to me when I was under contract to them.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:17:19
    Reminds me that I'd dearly love for candidates to answer some copyright/patent/trademark law questions, as well as general digital questions. E.g., net neutrality, privacy, control of data, etc. for the latter bit.

    Totally agree with you!

    People's answer to that would absolutely get me to jump ship from/to candidates based on their answers.

    Not just their answers...but I want to see how much/many of the bribes they have gotten from the companies...along with their voting records. As we've
    seen in the Senate with the impeachment trial...there are too many there
    saying one thing & standing for something else when the money comes in.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:22:38
    gap in the government. You have folks clueless about technology writing legislation about technology. Doesn't pass the sniff test, but...that's the government, I suppose.

    You are right...except for one thing. The more dumb a lawmaker is about whatever said subject the more they allow whatever company looking to benefit the most. For instance...whenever I hear Louis Gohmert or others just like
    him from either party open their mouths...about the only thing he seems to
    know about is about the same thing as a 3rd/4th grader would know from a coloring book with about 5-6 crayons.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Nightfox on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:28:05
    I've actually started to enjoy watching content on YouTube. Since
    YouTube doesn't require a subscription, there's a lot of stuff posted there by pretty much anyone who wants to post a video. I can search for pretty much any topic and find a video of it on YouTube.

    When I got my TaoTao 50 scooter several years ago...I watched hours & hours
    of video on rebuilding the top end of it with better parts I ordered. I'm not
    a mechanic...but I have almost 4000 miles on that bike. Needs a tune up...but
    I go everywhere on that thing around town.

    Then...if it wasn't for David Murry (8-bit Guy) & other retro guru's...I wouldn't be so heavily into the retro scene with the vigor I used to
    have...but not the money back in the day. Now...I can run emulators & get
    boxes of systems I didn't have.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:35:03
    account, I've disabled it, but not because of the platform itself, but because of how humans that use the platform choose to interact.

    Same thing here. Got sick & tired of being banned...so come back to BBS'ing after 30 years. The last straw was when they banned me because I wanted to
    tell those I know personally I have a BBS they can come to...but Facebook
    said "ddns.net" was against their community standards. WTF...wonder if I
    posted a d**k pix...they may have let that stay up there.

    Want to get rid of them...have many more do what we've done. No users...no
    more revenue to keep doing it.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:38:18
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 04:07 pm

    I don't think I had seen them in stores here, but I had seen them on
    Amazon and
    such.

    OK, that just killed my interest. Amazon is such a pain here, because so little of their range is actually available outside the US. :(

    Well I'm sure they can be found from other retailers too.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:40:09
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 04:28 pm

    I'd be surprised if they don't release Picard on blu-ray. Blu-ray
    seems like a
    paradox - I keep hearing people say optical discs are dead, yet they
    keep releasing content on optical discs.. It's hard to tell.

    I think Blu-ray still has some life left. It's (supposedly) more robust than DVD, and can fit a lot of special features.

    DVDs often had a good number of special features. It seems like fewer movie releases these days include special features though. One example is with the Terminator 2 4K release, I was disappointed to hear it doesn't include the extended cuts that were included on previous releases (on 1080p blu-ray and DVD). The 3D release of Terminator 2 didn't include the extended cuts either.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to ryan on Friday, January 31, 2020 17:46:53
    I heard someone grousing recently about people on welfare owning smartphones. Call me crazy, but smartphones are seriously important
    these days. To succeed in 21st century society, it's damn close to a necessity...like the internet. But yeah. Crazy set of circumstances
    these days.

    I'm one of those who was on SNAP/Medicaid (still am)/"Obama"-phone. One of
    the 2 companies which have the contract in Oregon will send you a free "smartphone" on the Sprint network. The model they sent me was made by a company called ANS. Was Android 7 & would run almost anything from the Google Store...but wanted to find a case/screen protector for it. Even Ebay had
    almost nothing for this brand. Ended up going back to my GSM phone with a bigger screen & better specs. These are the phones these companies are giving to those in this program. Doubt if you could find one of these on the open market...an old candybar/clamshell would cost you more to buy.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Friday, January 31, 2020 18:06:43
    Haha I'd just have a giggle. :D As it is, I often comment that a lot of alien planets look a bit like BC, Canada. :D

    My girlfriend watches "Big Little Lies" which is supposed to take place in Monterey, California, a location I am quite familiar with :) It drives me
    nuts how they always drive southbound when they are already south of Monterey (for the excellent wide angle shots) and still wind up in Monterey.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:11:00
    On 01-31-20 17:38, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    OK, that just killed my interest. Amazon is such a pain here, because so little of their range is actually available outside the US. :(

    Well I'm sure they can be found from other retailers too.

    Probably, haven't been looking yet. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:14:00
    On 01-31-20 17:40, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    DVDs often had a good number of special features. It seems like fewer movie releases these days include special features though. One example
    is with the Terminator 2 4K release, I was disappointed to hear it
    doesn't include the extended cuts that were included on previous
    releases (on 1080p blu-ray and DVD). The 3D release of Terminator 2 didn't include the extended cuts either.

    DVD these days does have a few issues though. First, it's SD only, and secondly, DVD is not mechanically robust enough. I tend not to bother with extended cuts, but the documentaries on some DVD/BDs have been interesting.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:16:00
    On 01-31-20 18:06, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Haha I'd just have a giggle. :D As it is, I often comment that a lot of alien planets look a bit like BC, Canada. :D

    My girlfriend watches "Big Little Lies" which is supposed to take place
    in Monterey, California, a location I am quite familiar with :) It
    drives me nuts how they always drive southbound when they are already south of Monterey (for the excellent wide angle shots) and still wind
    up in Monterey.

    Haha oh dear, that would be annoying. :D


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  • From CyntaxX@21:4/113 to Joacim Melin on Saturday, February 01, 2020 05:58:17
    On 31 Jan 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    When you have a website like Facebook which can literally help you with steering elections or help overthrow governments then *something* has to be done. Facebook is (pardon my language) fucking dangerous and they
    know they have this power and isn't afraid to use it. Can you imagine what would happen if they got people to use Facebooks own currency,
    Libra, what power Facebook would have in terms of not only tracking the movements and lives of billions of people but also tracking what they
    buy and where... it's goddamn scary and I for one am all for breaking
    up or even destroying Facebook for good. It's doing anything noteworthy for humanity and as such it is worthless.

    This ^^^^

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  • From CyntaxX@21:4/113 to Joacim Melin on Saturday, February 01, 2020 06:27:03
    On 31 Jan 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    in different directions. No - I stand by my opinion that Facebook is bloody dangerous and should be banned - it's a giant advertising machine with enough power to allow people to do really bad things.

    I completely agree. I had a facebook account back when it first started
    because "everyone was doing it" and quickly realized I don't care what people in my past were doing. So I got rid of it. Then I watched that talk with Chamath Palihapitiya and Sean Parker both saying they're exploiting human psychology to get people addicted to the site. Pretty shady. Fast forward to recent times and Dr. Robert Epstein's research showing how especially Google can sway votes I'm not convinced big tech has my best interest in mind.

    They are a business and driven by money and people's information is their product and I choose not to support that. So much so, that I run browsers
    that block all sites with tracking scripts from Google, Facebook, Twitter
    etc.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 01, 2020 06:19:28
    DVD these days does have a few issues though. First, it's SD only, and

    Know some are going to scream bloody murder...but I've been using Handbrake
    for years to go from SD to HEVC with SD quality to get more titles on the drives. The quality is way better than what we used to have with VHS/beta...that's why 99% of my media server for video isn't x264...but x265.
    I can see the difference which to me looks noticeable in a good way with a smaller file size.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ryan on Saturday, February 01, 2020 07:48:00
    ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My girlfriend watches "Big Little Lies" which is supposed to take place
    in Monterey, California, a location I am quite familiar with :) It
    drives me nuts how they always drive southbound when they are already south of Monterey (for the excellent wide angle shots) and still wind
    up in Monterey.

    Someone once mapped the path that Bullitt took in San Francisco - they were (literally) all over the map, almost instantaneously.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to CyntaxX on Saturday, February 01, 2020 07:54:00
    CyntaxX wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    I completely agree. I had a facebook account back when it first started because "everyone was doing it" and quickly realized I don't care what people in my past were doing. So I got rid of it. Then I watched that
    talk with Chamath Palihapitiya and Sean Parker both saying they're exploiting human psychology to get people addicted to the site. Pretty shady. Fast forward to recent times and Dr. Robert Epstein's research showing how especially Google can sway votes I'm not convinced big tech has my best interest in mind.

    Have you listened to or read Jaron Lanier? He was one of the first into virtual reality back in the early 90s and is very outspoken about what's broken on the internet.

    I have a book of his called "You are not a Gadget" that was an interesting read, and he's got a TED talk online that you could find online.

    I'm getting interested again in federated social networks, looking into Mastadon again. Ultimately I'd like to run my own instance of some social network app and control where/how your data is shared.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 01, 2020 07:57:00
    Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Know some are going to scream bloody murder...but I've been using Handbrake for years to go from SD to HEVC with SD quality to get more titles on the drives.

    I watch most of my movies on my phone on lunch hours, on transit, etc - so
    SD quality is just fine, and getting filesizes down is more important, untimately than quality.

    For those of us still watching cable, I'm horrified nowadays even comparing Netflix and SD rips to the quality they're streaming movies in - the pixellation is horrendous.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:04:06
    CyntaxX wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    I completely agree. I had a facebook account back when it first started
    because "everyone was doing it" and quickly realized I don't care what
    people in my past were doing. So I got rid of it. Then I watched that
    talk with Chamath Palihapitiya and Sean Parker both saying they're
    exploiting human psychology to get people addicted to the site. Pretty
    shady. Fast forward to recent times and Dr. Robert Epstein's research
    showing how especially Google can sway votes I'm not convinced big tech
    has my best interest in mind.

    Have you listened to or read Jaron Lanier? He was one of the first
    into
    virtual reality back in the early 90s and is very outspoken about
    what's
    broken on the internet.

    I have a book of his called "You are not a Gadget" that was an
    interesting
    read, and he's got a TED talk online that you could find online.

    I'm getting interested again in federated social networks, looking
    into
    Mastadon again. Ultimately I'd like to run my own instance of some
    social
    network app and control where/how your data is shared.

    I run my own mastodon instance (https://mastodon.fidonet.io) and I can highly recommend either becoming a member of one of the many instances around the world or spin your own (it takes a fair bit of disk space though). Mastodon, of
    course, has it's fair share of morons (nazis, rasists, trump supporters... they're all the same aren't they?) but you can block users and even topics/hashtags in your own instance if you so wish. Mastodon is nice and it's
    sort of what App.net was supposed to be but never became, only on a much, much
    larger scale and completely de-centralized and free to use.


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  • From CyntaxX@21:4/113 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 01, 2020 13:14:07
    On 01 Feb 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    Have you listened to or read Jaron Lanier? He was one of the first into virtual reality back in the early 90s and is very outspoken about what's broken on the internet.

    I have a book of his called "You are not a Gadget" that was an
    interesting read, and he's got a TED talk online that you could find online.


    I haven't. I'll have to give it a watch/listen/read.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 01, 2020 11:43:50
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Feb 01 2020 08:14 pm

    DVD these days does have a few issues though. First, it's SD only, and secondly, DVD is not mechanically robust enough. I tend not to bother with extended cuts, but the documentaries on some DVD/BDs have been interesting.

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    I like the documentaries too, as well as things like bloopers. I do like extended cuts sometimes. In the case of Terminator 2, it was mainly just some short deleted scenes that were put back into the movie for the extended cuts. There were 2 extended cuts of the movie - One that had the original ending and one that had an alternate ending.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:10:57
    Bad thing about VHS or other taped formats is the tape degrades like floppies & such. My HEVC encoded stuff will still be crisp in 20 years...if the medium I save to is still viable.

    Yeah, analog is tricky like that. I imagine the DVDs did better, though it's probably easier to get a degraded VHS tape to work at all than a pitted DVD.

    Still know people who head to pawn shops & such to buy used VHS players/tapes when their's break down. With no more being built...this
    is a future with a certain ending.

    I've been looking at thrift stores for a VHS player (not that I'm sure I
    could justify _owning_ a VHS player, but I digress), and have not been
    running across any. I know there was a time when places didn't accept VCRs,
    and one of those places I didn't find a VCR, but did find three VHS rewinders.

    Which is probably still pretty darn useless.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:14:55
    That's why I didn't even think about going back to Comcrap...even with their faster speeds & not forgetting some of the BS they did to me when
    I was under contract to them.

    They've also been at the forefront of the reasons for network neutrality, and things like having data caps. 1TB a month was a big number fairly recently,
    but living in a household of STEM grads means choosing lower quality on video streams when possible.

    And deciding against 200GB (fully legal) torrents of end-of-life software.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:17:15
    Not just their answers...but I want to see how much/many of the bribes they have gotten from the companies...along with their voting records.
    As we've seen in the Senate with the impeachment trial...there are too many there saying one thing & standing for something else when the money comes in.

    There's a reason I'm unwilling to consider Biden in the primaries, and it's
    not about what he's said of late, it's because he was feted by the MPAA and RIAA for what he did in the senate.

    He's never apologized for that, so I assume he still actively believes in things I find abhorrent.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to CyntaxX on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:24:33
    because "everyone was doing it" and quickly realized I don't care what people in my past were doing. So I got rid of it. Then I watched that

    I'm sad that there's not a mode to exclude all posts that are links to
    articles without a significant comment, any meme, and probably a fair bit of other things that aren't just user-created content.

    It'd really improve my experience, and maybe people would post things about what they're up to.

    I probably still wouldn't particularly care, but the "I'm glad I read this" ratio would certainly go up.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:38:32
    Someone once mapped the path that Bullitt took in San Francisco - they were (literally) all over the map, almost instantaneously.

    Reminds me of how Jack in Titanic was from Chippewa Falls, and mentioned Lake Wissota, which was created after the Titanic sank.

    Or when I read a Charles Stross Laundry Files novel, and it mentioned various generic city things, but specified a German city I had lived in, and found utterly impossible as a description of said city.

    But, hey, none of those facts annoyed me like the entire Armageddon movie and its beating science to a pulp.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:00:00
    Here the lottery is how far you are from the VDSL node. I'm fairly lucky, I get over 90Mbps. My late friend could barely get 10, and he was
    probably better off on his old ADSL.

    I don't know how far I am from the node, or what else is jammed into or how much traffic its taking, but I'm only ~10Mb here.. generally under 10+ is a good day with a tail wind. Well you learn something every day, at 10's its usually pretty symetrical... Just decided to run another test now... its pushing 35 down, and 19 up, fastest I've ever seen it. Must just depend on load. But I'm in a block of units/flats too.. so who knows..

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:02:00
    All we use it for is news and the occasional public event. Everything else comes from some dsort of medium.

    The ouija board or a clairvoyant? :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:05:00
    I think Blu-ray still has some life left. It's (supposedly) more robust than DVD, and can fit a lot of special features.

    Do any of you actually watch those features? They started putting them on DVD originally because there was so much space left, a time when the media was in front of the data quantity being dumped on it.

    I've only ever found them a waste of space and time. Give me the thing I wanted you can keep all the extraneous rubbish and save some money :)

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:14:00
    own productions...which many blew worse than an intern on Clinton.

    Ahh isn't that backwards? Although I get the idea..

    Haven't had Netflix in about 2 years. This afternoon...just signed up for

    I've had netflix for about 20 days, in another 10 it'll be over. Didn't find anything much to watch. Watching the living daylights out of Marvel Series at the moment. Daredevil seemed a bit ordinary and slow, Luke Cage is running at the moment, its doing ok, and Iron Fist was ok too...

    They usually get a pretty poor writeup, I can see why, I've been watching one episode straight after the last.. with it you get a better continuity of story,
    if you were watching one a day, or week whenever new stuff comes out, they'd be as exciting as... watching paint dry, or melting blanc mange. They seem to be paced like a snail and of course they all tie into each other, so I know someone loses an arm already, but I'm a long way into those 3 series, and it hasn't actually happened yet <chuckle>

    Anyway I just signed on for the FREE 30 day trial. I'm very unsure it'd be worth $10 a month to me. The plus side is, registration is by email, so if the mood strikes, I can always just use another BBS address :)

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:04:00
    SD quality is just fine, and getting filesizes down is more important, untimately than quality.

    Hmm I've been saving stuff in 720 avi's forever... I got a bit lazy for a while
    and just kept iso's thought it might be the way, but they chew to much space.
    My regular TV is still only a 1080i so 720 is just fine. So long as you keep the data rate up, anything around 96+ on the mp3 compression usually sounds ok,
    its not like listening to music where thats all you concentrate on. I do have
    to admit no matter how much it improves, you still at the end of the day have a level of blockiness to it, and you can chase your tail right down a rabbit hole (twin metaphors) looking for a good combination of codec and player.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:25:00
    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    We've had a certain level of failures out in the wild. I suspect a large portion of that is burnt disc's not pressed ones though. However it did kind of spell a death knell for using them for backups. I also suspect it has to do with disc quality as much as the format itself. As much as the format might be
    solid, if its made cheaply enough it'll fail somewhere somehow.

    Spec


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  • From Terry Roati@21:5/101 to Cyntaxx on Sunday, February 02, 2020 09:55:52

    Didn't newspapers do the same thing before the internet?

    On Feb 01, 2020 06:32am, Cyntaxx wrote to Joacim Melin:

    On 31 Jan 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    in different directions. No - I stand by my opinion that Facebook is
    bloody dangerous and should be banned - it's a giant advertising
    machine
    with enough power to allow people to do really bad things.

    I completely agree. I had a facebook account back when it first started because "everyone was doing it" and quickly realized I don't care what people in my past were doing. So I got rid of it. Then I watched that
    talk with Chamath Palihapitiya and Sean Parker both saying they're exploiting human psychology to get people addicted to the site. Pretty shady. Fast forward to recent times and Dr. Robert Epstein's research showing how especially Google can sway votes I'm not convinced big tech
    has my best interest in mind.

    They are a business and driven by money and people's information is their product and I choose not to support that. So much so, that I run browsers that block all sites with tracking scripts from Google, Facebook, Twitter etc.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:53:25
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Sun Feb 02 2020 08:25 am

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    We've had a certain level of failures out in the wild. I suspect a large portion of that is burnt disc's not pressed ones though. However it did kind of spell a death knell for using them for backups. I also suspect it has to do with disc quality as much as the format itself. As much as the format might be
    solid, if its made cheaply enough it'll fail somewhere somehow.

    I have heard people talking about optical discs failing after some time, but I've had some DVD-Rs that I've burned that have still worked years after I burned them. I've always kept my discs in fairly dark & dry environments, such
    as shelves, inside a drawer in my computer desk, etc., and it's made me wonder
    that perhaps the way people store the discs probably have an effect on how long they last. If you leave discs near a window where they're hit by heat and/or sunlight all the time or something, I'm sure they won't last very long.

    More recently, I've heard of the M-Disc standard for optical discs, which are supposedly more durable, and the data is supposed to last 1000 years.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Saturday, February 01, 2020 21:15:42
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to Vk3jed on Sat Feb 01 2020 07:05 pm

    I think Blu-ray still has some life left. It's (supposedly) more
    robust than DVD, and can fit a lot of special features.

    Do any of you actually watch those features? They started putting them on DVD originally because there was so much space left, a time when the media was in front of the data quantity being dumped on it.

    I've only ever found them a waste of space and time. Give me the thing I wanted you can keep all the extraneous rubbish and save some money :)

    I like to watch the extras sometimes. I think it's interesting to see what went into the making of the movie/show, and also things like bloopers, etc.. And as long as there's space on the disc for that kind of thing, I don't see anything wrong with having that stuff included. It has what I want and more (and I've sort of come to expect extras to be included). These days, I tend to
    be disappointed when I buy a movie on blu-ray and there are little or no extras on it, as I consider that a waste of space.

    One thing I don't like about streaming services is that they don't have the extras that are normally included on DVD/blu-ray. :P

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Saturday, February 01, 2020 21:20:54
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 02 2020 08:04 am

    SD quality is just fine, and getting filesizes down is more
    important, untimately than quality.

    Hmm I've been saving stuff in 720 avi's forever... I got a bit lazy for a while
    and just kept iso's thought it might be the way, but they chew to much space. My regular TV is still only a 1080i so 720 is just fine. So long as

    SD usually refers to DVD quality, which is 720x480 (for NTSC) or 720x576 (for PAL). 1280x720 is a step up from that. I've found that 720 upscaling on even a 4K TV still looks good enough to be watchable. These days, I can often tell a difference between 720 and 1080 on a TV though. And 1080 should upscale to 4K better than 720 because 4K (3840x2160) is an exact multiple of 1920x1080.

    you keep the data rate up, anything around 96+ on the mp3 compression usually sounds ok,

    In the late 90s, I always used to hear 128kbit should be good enough for MP3 audio, but now I heard people say it should be higher. I often see MP3s of 320kbit, or down to maybe 160 or 192. And a while ago, I heard variable bitrate was good, and I re-encoded my music library (which I've saved in FLAC format) to variable bitrate MP3 (varying from 112 to 320).

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 01, 2020 21:43:13
    I watch most of my movies on my phone on lunch hours, on transit, etc -
    so SD quality is just fine, and getting filesizes down is more
    important, untimately than quality.

    Got the whole run of The IT Crowd on my phone for my 1 hr lunch. Can watch 2 episodes & am very famous for my outrageous laughing. No matter what happens the 2nd part of the day...am ready for it.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Saturday, February 01, 2020 22:18:22
    Yeah, analog is tricky like that. I imagine the DVDs did better, though it's probably easier to get a degraded VHS tape to work at all than a pitted DVD.

    Maybe...maybe not. Still have never forgot having to take the cover off the
    VCR & try to recover the miswound tape.

    I've been looking at thrift stores for a VHS player (not that I'm sure I could justify _owning_ a VHS player, but I digress), and have not been running across any. I know there was a time when places didn't accept

    The thing I still don't understand is none of these stores will take CRT TV's to resell...except for maybe those portable 5" versions. Not uncommon to see pallets of these sitting outside ready to be taken wherever they end up.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Saturday, February 01, 2020 22:23:59
    That's why I didn't even think about going back to Comcrap...even wit
    They've also been at the forefront of the reasons for network
    neutrality, and things like having data caps. 1TB a month was a big
    number fairly recently, but living in a household of STEM grads means choosing lower quality on video streams when possible.

    The thing I love about Vudu is being able to pick the quality I want. Am
    about ready to mention something about my eyesight at my age. Except for live sports...I can't tell the difference between SD/HD. Having watched a 4K
    TV...I could tell what the processor was doing to the picture. Looked great...but my 720p 12 year old Sony Bravia still looks fantastic. Just subscribed to Britbox & with my slow DL speed of 3 MB...it better not be HD.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Saturday, February 01, 2020 22:28:38
    There's a reason I'm unwilling to consider Biden in the primaries, and it's not about what he's said of late, it's because he was feted by the MPAA and RIAA for what he did in the senate.

    It's not just about this topic. Biden is a scummy arsehole of the worst
    order. His whole record taken together shows what a scumbag of a "human" is. The difference between him & the orange turd is Biden has always been smarter and more intelligent.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Saturday, February 01, 2020 22:30:53
    But, hey, none of those facts annoyed me like the entire Armageddon
    movie and its beating science to a pulp.

    Now...now...they did get 1 piece of science right...they died...so at least I can forgive the rest of the movie...since there ain't gonna be a sequel with those characters to do that again. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Saturday, February 01, 2020 22:51:33
    I've had netflix for about 20 days, in another 10 it'll be over. Didn't find anything much to watch. Watching the living daylights out of
    Marvel Series at the moment. Daredevil seemed a bit ordinary and slow,

    Been watching Doctor Who movies...documentaries all day long. Unlike Netflix...there's too much on this for me to watch.

    Anyway I just signed on for the FREE 30 day trial. I'm very unsure
    it'd be worth $10 a month to me. The plus side is, registration is by email, so if the mood strikes, I can always just use another BBS address :)

    Very true. With my VPN using servers in Continental Europe...they get a whole free month for Britbox...rather than the 7 days we get. Don't mind paying for something I'll watch...but for Netflix...because they are a name in the business...screw them & the horse they rode in on.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 17:37:00
    More recently, I've heard of the M-Disc standard for optical discs,
    which are supposedly more durable, and the data is supposed to last
    1000 years.

    I chuckle every time I see or hear something like that. There is no way you could know how close to 1000 years it could last. I've seen to many premature failures to take that without a half a cup of salt.

    Aside from that I'm with you on the rest of the message. You've also got things like win98 vintage cd's that can't be read on anything other than a win98 age machine, after that they just behave like corrupt unreadable disc, so
    just lasting time is in itself no guarantee.

    Spec


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Alter Ego on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:10:08
    On 29 Jan 2020 at 10:18a, Alter Ego pondered and said...

    So I started building an FTN hub with cockroachdb. cockroachdb if you
    are not aware, is an RDBMS (like mysql), but distributed in that no node is a master. But quorum is required for the DB to function.

    Apologies for my slow replies... interesting idea, I don't know much about DB but by the sounds of it, it functions based on numbers submitting data to it
    or somesuch?

    I particuarly like it because the comms between the nodes of the DB was secured with SSL, and SSL was required to connect (it uses postgreSQL as the protocol).

    I think anything that offers secure connections over the Internet is a good move. To date it's not something I have done much about which is naughty of
    me.

    My idea was that nodes could post to the DB (via binkd at a minimum) to any node of the DB, and collect mail (via binkd too) from any node of
    the DB - but it would also be possible to pick up packets using other protocols (like http, perhaps nntp, smtp, etc).
    I also envisioned that we could join zones together, so that anybody
    using the hub, could get any echo that was shared to it. (And yes, zone fudgieness would be taken care of...)

    So yes, you;re really talking about a FTN style HUB based on 2020 tech and offering content in a number of ways. Interesting.

    I stopped working on it because of lack of time, and other things I started playing with. Perhaps I should pick it up again. (I think I got

    Kinda would be cool - it would be 1980's technology, on 2020 technology

    Certainly an interesting idea Deon. It does sound like a HUB and spoke kinds
    of setup much like we have now with the NET HUBs and nodes.. to revisit my
    OP..

    By: Avon to Oli on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:32 am

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure thin that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.


    So yeah, where I was going with this was to try and find creative ways to
    offer new and current nodes a means to obtain fsxNet packets that would be resilient to a HUB becoming unavailable. I was wondering about a few ways of doing this..

    - nodes could self select two other nodes in different NETs and pull/send echomail to them as well as to their assigned NET HUB, this could use current FTN polling and setup as per the way a node currently polls a HUB

    - Using something like Bit Torrent technologies for sending all packets around the network, or mirrors of JAM bases, or the last 24 hours worth of packets created so they were available somewhere for others if needed...

    But thinking about that latter idea it would likely fail as we have PATH statements and SEEN-BY lines etc. in our current FTN packets that would
    negate anyone one node from being able to use that idea.

    Perhaps a virtual but distributed HUB that any node could link to and doe the areafix and rescan from.

    I'm just making stuff up now.. :) I'd better come up with something more concrete :)

    But at the least I do like the first idea and can see options for automating that process to make it easy for all.

    Hope this finds you well and congrats on the FTSC confirmation too.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 18:26:00
    watchable. These days, I can often tell a difference between 720 and
    1080 on a TV though. And 1080 should upscale to 4K better than 720 because 4K (3840x2160) is an exact multiple of 1920x1080.

    And because its a lot closer to the actual resolution too... otherwise its like
    stretching 640x480 out to 1280x1024 its going to get inherently blocky.

    you keep the data rate up, anything around 96+ on the mp3

    In the late 90s, I always used to hear 128kbit should be good enough
    for MP3 audio, but now I heard people say it should be higher.
    I often see MP3s of 320kbit, or down to maybe 160 or 192. And a
    while ago, I heard variable bitrate was good, and I re-encoded
    my music library (which I've saved in FLAC format) to variable
    bitrate MP3 (varying from 112 to 320).

    If I'm saving music, these days I'll probably encode somewhere around the 128kb
    mark, and yes you can definitely tell the difference. However with the accompanying audio for video, I can't talk for anyone else, but my ear is a lot
    more forgiving. To some degree its going to depend on the sound track to the movie, but usually, if its primarily voice, people talking, anything over 96kb will do me, if its noisier or more musical, then start cranking it up a bit. Mind you audio is a relativtively small component in the data stream these days.

    Spec


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Adept on Sunday, February 02, 2020 01:57:34
    But, hey, none of those facts annoyed me like the entire Armageddon
    movie and its beating science to a pulp.

    I love space movies in "zero g" when actors' hairdos aren't flying around all over the place lol

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:40:00
    On 02-01-20 06:19, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    DVD these days does have a few issues though. First, it's SD only, and

    Know some are going to scream bloody murder...but I've been using Handbrake for years to go from SD to HEVC with SD quality to get more titles on the drives. The quality is way better than what we used to
    have with VHS/beta...that's why 99% of my media server for video isn't x264...but x265. I can see the difference which to me looks noticeable
    in a good way with a smaller file size.

    Interesting, though the benchmark is higher these days. We used to watch VHS on tiny (by today's standards) screens. Today, the standard is FHD or 4HD on a much larger screen.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:44:00
    On 02-01-20 11:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Feb 01 2020 08:14 pm

    DVD these days does have a few issues though. First, it's SD only, and secondly, DVD is not mechanically robust enough. I tend not to bother with extended cuts, but the documentaries on some DVD/BDs have been interesting.

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    Too prone to scratches, etc. BD added a tough layer to minimise the amount of damage done to the disc under everyday use.

    I like the documentaries too, as well as things like bloopers. I do
    like extended cuts sometimes. In the case of Terminator 2, it was
    mainly just some short deleted scenes that were put back into the movie for the extended cuts. There were 2 extended cuts of the movie - One
    that had the original ending and one that had an alternate ending.

    OK, cool. Bloopers can be a good laugh. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:47:00
    On 02-01-20 19:00, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Here the lottery is how far you are from the VDSL node. I'm fairly lucky, I get over 90Mbps. My late friend could barely get 10, and he was
    probably better off on his old ADSL.

    I don't know how far I am from the node, or what else is jammed into or how much traffic its taking, but I'm only ~10Mb here.. generally under
    10+ is a good day with a tail wind. Well you learn something every day,
    at 10's its usually pretty symetrical... Just decided to run another
    test now... its pushing 35 down, and 19 up, fastest I've ever seen it. Must just depend on load. But I'm in a block of units/flats too.. so
    who knows..

    My friend only had 1M up, because he went for the 12/1 plan. No point going for more on what the connection could do. And with yours, how are you measuring?

    Sync speed (i.e. VDSL performance)? or throughput? (i.e. including the performance of the backhaul)?


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:48:00
    On 02-01-20 19:02, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    All we use it for is news and the occasional public event. Everything else comes from some dsort of medium.

    The ouija board or a clairvoyant? :)

    Umm, DVD, BD, HDD, etc. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:51:00
    On 02-01-20 19:05, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think Blu-ray still has some life left. It's (supposedly) more robust than DVD, and can fit a lot of special features.

    Do any of you actually watch those features? They started putting them
    on DVD originally because there was so much space left, a time when the media was in front of the data quantity being dumped on it.

    Not always, but if there's a spare moment, especially on shows we watch a lot, the features are worth a look.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 22:02:00
    On 02-02-20 08:25, Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    We've had a certain level of failures out in the wild. I suspect a
    large portion of that is burnt disc's not pressed ones though. However
    it did kind of spell a death knell for using them for backups. I also suspect it has to do with disc quality as much as the format itself.
    As much as the format might be
    solid, if its made cheaply enough it'll fail somewhere somehow.

    I've had a lot of bought DVDs from reputable sources (JB Hifi, Sanity, etc) that have failed over time. Many with few or no visible defects. :( So far, zero BD failures.


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  • From CyntaxX@21:4/113 to Terry Roati on Sunday, February 02, 2020 06:31:07
    On 02 Feb 2020, Terry Roati said the following...

    Didn't newspapers do the same thing before the internet?

    They still do! It's all designed to cause anger and division.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 02, 2020 23:04:00
    point going for more on what the connection could do. And with yours,
    how are you measuring?

    One of those bodgy ookla tests..
    https://www.speedtest.net/

    oh and whatever the system that the boys PS4 is using.

    It seems to think I'm coming out of iprimus, whic is a tad interesting

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  • From Terry Roati@21:5/101 to Cyntaxx on Sunday, February 02, 2020 22:00:30

    I don't think Rupert Murdoch would agree, he certainly doesn't have the influence he once had. Funny thing is he pushed both the right and the left, I think he based his bias on personality not politics.

    On Feb 02, 2020 06:36am, Cyntaxx wrote to Terry Roati:

    On 02 Feb 2020, Terry Roati said the following...

    Didn't newspapers do the same thing before the internet?

    They still do! It's all designed to cause anger and division.

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    Terry

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 02, 2020 16:45:02
    01 Feb 20 22:28, you wrote to Adept:

    There's a reason I'm unwilling to consider Biden in the primaries, and
    it's not about what he's said of late, it's because he was feted by the
    MPAA and RIAA for what he did in the senate.

    It's not just about this topic. Biden is a scummy arsehole of the worst order. His whole record taken together shows what a scumbag of a "human"
    is.
    The difference between him & the orange turd is Biden has always been
    smarter
    and more intelligent.

    Maybe it's time to change the subject from "Picard" to something else ;).

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  • From CyntaxX@21:4/113 to Terry Roati on Sunday, February 02, 2020 13:10:42
    On 02 Feb 2020, Terry Roati said the following...


    I don't think Rupert Murdoch would agree, he certainly doesn't have the influence he once had. Funny thing is he pushed both the right and the left, I think he based his bias on personality not politics.

    Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Zucker, Mark Thompson, Fred Ryan and anyone cut from the same cloth should be put on a small island with no food or resources and televise it and see what happens. A new "real" reality tv.

    Must see TV folks!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 02, 2020 07:40:00
    Phoobar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Got the whole run of The IT Crowd on my phone for my 1 hr lunch. Can
    watch 2 episodes & am very famous for my outrageous laughing. No matter what happens the 2nd part of the day...am ready for it.

    Earlier in my career, I worked for a company that made Flying Toaster screen savers. The IT crowd set is hauntingly similar to our office at the time.

    Had the show been on back then, I would have painted the storage room door red.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:01:00
    Adept wrote to Phoobar <=-

    There's a reason I'm unwilling to consider Biden in the primaries, and it's not about what he's said of late, it's because he was feted by the MPAA and RIAA for what he did in the senate.

    Oh, I did not know that.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:04:00
    Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-

    More recently, I've heard of the M-Disc standard for optical discs,
    which are supposedly more durable, and the data is supposed to last
    1000 years.

    I chuckle every time I see or hear something like that. There is no
    way you could know how close to 1000 years it could last. I've seen
    to many premature failures to take that without a half a cup of salt.

    I just bought a replacement DVD-R that had an M-Disc logo on it, didn't know what that was about. It was $17.99 and burned +/- DVDs, that's all I was worried about...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ryan on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:05:00
    ryan wrote to Adept <=-

    I love space movies in "zero g" when actors' hairdos aren't flying
    around all over the place lol

    Gravity was especially bad for that.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 11:59:14
    Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Sun Feb 02 2020 05:37 pm

    More recently, I've heard of the M-Disc standard for optical discs,
    which are supposedly more durable, and the data is supposed to last
    1000 years.

    I chuckle every time I see or hear something like that. There is no way you could know how close to 1000 years it could last. I've seen to many premature failures to take that without a half a cup of salt.

    Yeah, that's true, though I imagine they're designed to last a lot longer than regular optical discs.

    Aside from that I'm with you on the rest of the message. You've also got things like win98 vintage cd's that can't be read on anything other than a win98 age machine, after that they just behave like corrupt unreadable disc, so
    just lasting time is in itself no guarantee.

    I haven't experienced that, but I also haven't tried reading many old discs. However, pretty much all of my old CDs can still be read, last time I tried. I
    have a backup of my original BBS on a CD-R that I burned in 2000 that can still be read. And a while ago, I ripped all of my music CDs to my computer in
    FLAC format, and I still had some music CDs that I got in 1992 that could still be read (at least, in 2009 when I ripped them). Generally I haven't had a problem reading old optical discs.

    The only time I had a problem was when I tried using a CD-RW (re-writeable) - I
    had some college work that I wanted to back up on it and I thought a -RW would
    be handy in case I needed to change anything on it. But after only a few months, I found that the CD-RW disc that I used had apparently become corrupt, and my PC had a hard time reading some of the files on it. I found a program to help for that situation, which would keep trying to copy files from it until
    it was able to succeed, and I was eventually able to copy all the files from it, and I burned them to a regular CD-R (write-once) disc, and since then I haven't had a problem with it. I've never used a -RW disc again.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 02, 2020 12:01:26
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Feb 02 2020 08:44 pm

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    Too prone to scratches, etc. BD added a tough layer to minimise the amount of damage done to the disc under everyday use.

    In the late 80s/early 90s, I remember hearing audio CDs were supposed to have some sort of data recovery/protection that could recover data when the disc had
    been scratched.. But maybe that was just a rumor.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 02, 2020 12:07:31
    Interesting, though the benchmark is higher these days. We used to
    watch VHS on tiny (by today's standards) screens. Today, the standard
    is FHD or 4HD on a much larger screen.

    Oh yeah! The TV was curved & hooked up to HD channels. It was in
    Colorado...so they have the infrastructure built to be able to do
    this...unlike many other places here in the states. Even had Netflix with 4D service & that was spectacular.

    One of my favorite comedies is Mrs. Brown's Boys. Am so happy I will never
    have a 4D TV to see that show in anything but SD. Brendon O'Carroll in
    anything but SD in good. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Oli on Sunday, February 02, 2020 12:27:15
    Maybe it's time to change the subject from "Picard" to something else ;).

    That's why I didn't want the subject to be Picard. Like that
    character...rather than the scumbag Biden.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 02, 2020 12:40:35
    Earlier in my career, I worked for a company that made Flying Toaster screen savers. The IT crowd set is hauntingly similar to our office at
    the time.

    Oh yeah! Not only that...but the characters are like some of the folks I've
    run into.

    Had the show been on back then, I would have painted the storage room
    door red.

    If you would only have a red door & Richmond...would've been perfect.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 02, 2020 14:01:54
    The thing I still don't understand is none of these stores will take CRT TV's to resell...except for maybe those portable 5" versions. Not

    It does seem odd, now that they're getting into the collectible range, and people with old gaming systems seem to seek them out.

    I could definitely understand it as a rule back when everyone was buying flat screens and getting rid of CRTs.

    That said, I suppose there _is_ the issue of CRTs being so darn heavy.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 02, 2020 14:04:16
    The thing I love about Vudu is being able to pick the quality I want. Am

    I think it's a standard thing on most services. You can do it on Netflix, though it's hidden. Youtube makes it easy. I assume Amazon Prime can do it,
    but I wouldn't make a bet on it, because of all the ways that the Amazon site likes to present you with options that you'd love to have filtered out, but there's no obvious way to do so.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to ryan on Sunday, February 02, 2020 14:18:58
    But, hey, none of those facts annoyed me like the entire Armageddon movie and its beating science to a pulp.

    I love space movies in "zero g" when actors' hairdos aren't flying
    around all over the place lol

    Bah. Bruce Willis's hairdo was perfectly represented.

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  • From Terry Roati@21:5/101 to Cyntaxx on Monday, February 03, 2020 09:15:06

    On Feb 02, 2020 01:15pm, Cyntaxx wrote to Terry Roati:

    Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Zucker, Mark Thompson, Fred Ryan and anyone cut
    from the same cloth should be put on a small island with no food or resources and televise it and see what happens. A new "real" reality tv.

    Must see TV folks!

    The great thing with democracy is that it seems to eventually find a way, you can only fool people a short time before they see the truth.

    Terry

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, February 03, 2020 09:43:00
    On 02-02-20 23:04, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    point going for more on what the connection could do. And with yours,
    how are you measuring?

    One of those bodgy ookla tests..
    https://www.speedtest.net/

    Useful, but issues picked up here could be backhaul congestion, rather than VDSL slowness. Check your sync speed indicated by your router. Large diurnal variations suggest backhaul congestion may be the culprit, which means your ISP is doing things on the cheap. :)

    My speeds normally hardly vary, other than brief drops that only the constant monitoring of SamKnows picks up (I'm part of the national broadband survey).

    oh and whatever the system that the boys PS4 is using.

    As above.

    It seems to think I'm coming out of iprimus, whic is a tad interesting

    Who are you with?


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Monday, February 03, 2020 09:45:00
    On 02-02-20 12:01, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Feb 02 2020 08:44 pm

    What do you mean by "not mechanically robust enough"?

    Too prone to scratches, etc. BD added a tough layer to minimise the amount of damage done to the disc under everyday use.

    In the late 80s/early 90s, I remember hearing audio CDs were supposed
    to have some sort of data recovery/protection that could recover data
    when the disc had
    been scratched.. But maybe that was just a rumor.

    They do, as to DVDs, in the form of FEC (forward error correction) codes that add redundant bits that allow information to be reconstructed if some bits are missing. Most digital storage and transmission media have error correction, pretty much all media have error detection (checksums, CRC, even the humble parity bit on serial ports).


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, February 03, 2020 09:48:00
    On 02-02-20 12:07, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Interesting, though the benchmark is higher these days. We used to
    watch VHS on tiny (by today's standards) screens. Today, the standard
    is FHD or 4HD on a much larger screen.

    Oh yeah! The TV was curved & hooked up to HD channels. It was in Colorado...so they have the infrastructure built to be able to do this...unlike many other places here in the states. Even had Netflix
    with 4D service & that was spectacular.

    I can watch HD here. Most HD around is 720P, with some 1080p. I don't have 4HD capabilities. The Internet could probably handle it, but don't see the point in upgrading the TV until the next natural upgrade cycle, which still looks years away. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to CyntaxX on Monday, February 03, 2020 12:37:00
    On 02-02-20 13:10, CyntaxX wrote to Terry Roati <=-

    Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Zucker, Mark Thompson, Fred Ryan and anyone cut
    from the same cloth should be put on a small island with no food or resources and televise it and see what happens. A new "real" reality
    tv.

    Now that one I would watch! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, February 03, 2020 12:52:00
    On 02-02-20 08:05, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ryan <=-

    ryan wrote to Adept <=-

    I love space movies in "zero g" when actors' hairdos aren't flying
    around all over the place lol

    Gravity was especially bad for that.

    On top of its really bad depiction of orbital mechanics - something just about every SF show or movie gets totally wrong! There is simply no way you can get from Hubble to the ISS or the fictitious Chinese space station using suit thruster packs. The delta-V required to change orbits enough to reach each destination at a safe relative velocity is simply too great.

    A similar mistake was made in the 1990s movie "Mission to Mars". Here, the incoming spacecraft's engines fail catastrophically at the moment of ignition, when attempting the orbit insertion around Mars. In the movie, the crew abandon ship and jump across to a nearby ship from a previous mission that is in low Mars orbit. The problem here is that the velocity difference between a ship inbound from deep space and one in low orbit will be several _thousand_ km/h. That's not something you can handle with spacesuits and personal thrusters. :) If they are to be at the same velocity, the inbound ship would be passing by at a much higher altitude. Again, suit thrusters won't do the job (still have to bleed off excess speed as you descend, because potential energy from altitude will become kinetic energy as you descend), and this time you'd likely run out of oxygen before you got there as well. :)

    There have been a few space shows that did it properly and filmed their zero G scenes on the "Vomit Comet", which means the actors were in true microgravity for the duration of each shoot. The BBC's 2004 miniseries "Space Odyssey - Voyage to the Planets", which was about what a mission to several planets in our Solar System would look like later this century or early next, was one that actually used the vomit comet for their microgravity scenes. They didn't need a huge number of those, because the main ship used rotation to simulate gravity most of the time.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:33:55
    It does seem odd, now that they're getting into the collectible range,
    and people with old gaming systems seem to seek them out.
    I could definitely understand it as a rule back when everyone was buying flat screens and getting rid of CRTs.
    That said, I suppose there _is_ the issue of CRTs being so darn heavy.

    Seem to remember something about worrying about more chemicals being leached into the environment. Remembering wanting to get at least a 19" for my
    bedroom when my 32" Sony was in the living room. Found a 20" JVC I got for
    $10 which was around $400 new 10-15 years earlier. Don't know what happened
    to it & a 13" I used to have.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:36:34
    I think it's a standard thing on most services. You can do it on Netflix, though it's hidden. Youtube makes it easy. I assume Amazon Prime can do it, but I wouldn't make a bet on it, because of all the ways that the Amazon site likes to present you with options that you'd love to have filtered out, but there's no obvious way to do so.

    Used to get the $7.98 version of Netflix for the lowest setting...but The
    Roku Channel or Britbox doesn't have a way to do it.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 02, 2020 20:39:49
    I can watch HD here. Most HD around is 720P, with some 1080p. I don't have 4HD capabilities. The Internet could probably handle it, but don't see the point in upgrading the TV until the next natural upgrade cycle, which still looks years away. :)

    With the data caps around here...don't care what standard there is because as greedy as these b*s****s are...not going to buy a top of the line monitor &
    end up paying more every month to these idiots to enjoy the programming I can't/won't afford.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, February 03, 2020 16:36:00
    On 02-02-20 20:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    With the data caps around here...don't care what standard there is
    because as greedy as these b*s****s are...not going to buy a top of the line monitor & end up paying more every month to these idiots to enjoy
    the programming I can't/won't afford.

    No data cap for me, but I'm not a fan of subscribing to a gazillion services for one show each.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Monday, February 03, 2020 17:00:00
    I haven't experienced that, but I also haven't tried reading many
    old discs. However, pretty much all of my old CDs can still be
    read, last time I tried. I have a backup of my original BBS on a CD-R

    My personal experience was with hmmm what year did Baldur's Gate come out, I think it was an early multi cd adopter, ahh 1998... thats about the time we got
    a burner... needed his n her copies pretty badly back then. Anyway these are the discs that burnt fine, I hung onto those for years.. there was a level of sentimental attachement to those, fast forward to... might be about 2000 I had trouble with them, but the originals were still about so no drama. Move forward
    to windows XP somewhere, and they had an intact directory, you could examine most files, and they'd past muster, but there was some bug in either the burner
    firmware or the burning software or 98 or the combo of all three rendered the discs unusable after hunting around for a while trying to find an answer, it was determined, you had to go back to win98, in order to try and use them, or toss them.

    I've also had disc's that didn't want to burn, but thats a different issue, and
    I never got to the bottom of that.

    Anything else from me, is really hearsay, some I'd trust, a lot not much, but the stories float here from time to time. Faulty pressed DVD's.. CD's.. persoanlly I've not seen anything pressed fail, it defies my logic a little, unless the back's trying to delaminate but that's storage issues.. heat, moisture..

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Monday, February 03, 2020 17:22:00
    It seems to think I'm coming out of iprimus, whic is a tad
    interesting

    Who are you with?

    AustraliaOnline, used to call themselves Ozonline once.. used to be a relatively small dialup crowd once. I don't know any relationship with Iprimus but who knows in this day and age. The service has always been good, run and do what you want no questions asked.

    Thats beside the point though, the only other interest I've had is that someone
    that keeps an eye on addresses that send him mail, because his server drops all mail that comes from any hierarchy that sends him junk mail once. Strange but true. So he won't accept mail from gmail for arguments sake,
    to much spam. Anyway he had the IP address pegged as a block that had some strange origins...I can't remember the details now, but at least I could use it
    to get him mail :)

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Monday, February 03, 2020 17:45:00
    That said, I suppose there _is_ the issue of CRTs being so darn heavy.

    Not to mention bulky space eaters...


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Sunday, February 02, 2020 23:45:49
    Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Mon Feb 03 2020 05:00 pm

    Anything else from me, is really hearsay, some I'd trust, a lot not much, but the stories float here from time to time. Faulty pressed DVD's.. CD's.. persoanlly I've not seen anything pressed fail, it defies my logic a little, unless the back's trying to delaminate but that's storage issues.. heat, moisture..

    I had often heard that optical media should last a long time, since it's basically a piece of plastic (which doesn't really biodegrade). I was often surprised to hear about optical media degrading over such a relatively short time (a matter of years).

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, February 03, 2020 19:09:00
    On 02-03-20 17:22, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It seems to think I'm coming out of iprimus, whic is a tad
    interesting

    Who are you with?

    AustraliaOnline, used to call themselves Ozonline once.. used to be a relatively small dialup crowd once. I don't know any relationship with Iprimus but who knows in this day and age. The service has always been good, run and do what you want no questions asked.

    Highly likly they've been bought out. That's happened to a lot of ISPs over the year. :)

    Thats beside the point though, the only other interest I've had is that someone
    that keeps an eye on addresses that send him mail, because his server drops all mail that comes from any hierarchy that sends him junk mail once. Strange but true. So he won't accept mail from gmail for
    arguments sake, to much spam. Anyway he had the IP address pegged as a block that had some strange origins...I can't remember the details now, but at least I could use it
    to get him mail :)

    Hmm, OK. I'm not a fan of such blunt instruments. They cause too many issues.
    By brain is the most efficient spam filter out, though some systems do a reasonable "pre-filtering" job. :D


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Nightfox on Monday, February 03, 2020 10:16:09
    Re: Picard
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Mon Feb 03 2020 05:00 pm

    Anything else from me, is really hearsay, some I'd trust, a lot not much,

    but the stories float here from time to time. Faulty pressed DVD's..
    CD's.. persoanlly I've not seen anything pressed fail, it defies my logic

    a little, unless the back's trying to delaminate but that's storage
    issues.. heat, moisture..

    I had often heard that optical media should last a long time, since
    it's
    basically a piece of plastic (which doesn't really biodegrade). I was often
    surprised to hear about optical media degrading over such a relatively short
    time (a matter of years).

    You should read about disc rot here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

    Very interesting stuff.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, February 03, 2020 04:33:44
    line monitor & end up paying more every month to these idiots to enjo the programming I can't/won't afford.
    No data cap for me, but I'm not a fan of subscribing to a gazillion services for one show each.

    Me either. Am allowing myself 1 service to pay money for.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Joacim Melin on Monday, February 03, 2020 11:40:13
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Joacim Melin to Nightfox on Mon Feb 03 2020 10:16 am

    You should read about disc rot here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

    Interesting..

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 13:15:00
    On 02-03-20 04:33, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    line monitor & end up paying more every month to these idiots to enjo the programming I can't/won't afford.
    No data cap for me, but I'm not a fan of subscribing to a gazillion services for one show each.

    Me either. Am allowing myself 1 service to pay money for.

    Yeah, 1 service is reasonable. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 14:11:00
    On 02-03-20 10:16, Joacim Melin wrote to Nightfox <=-

    You should read about disc rot here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

    Very interesting stuff.

    I've certainly seen it here. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, February 03, 2020 20:21:37
    Me either. Am allowing myself 1 service to pay money for.
    Yeah, 1 service is reasonable. :)

    When I got Netflix back in 2013...I watched it as much as I watch Britbox
    now. At the point I got rid of Netflix last year...hardly watched it &
    couldn't see a reason to pay $7.98 with no more Doctor Who or Mission: Impossible...the other shows I loved watching. Biggest difference I see
    between the two is the same programs I watched on Netflix...but a better selection of shows I already have on my media server.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 10:57:53
    Re: Re: Picard
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 03 2020 12:52 pm

    Gravity was especially bad for that.


    On top of its really bad depiction of orbital mechanics - something just

    I don't recall if the ships went "whoosh" or not.

    There have been a few space shows that did it properly and filmed their zero G scenes on the "Vomit Comet"

    Ok Go filmed a music video on it - hilarious.
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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 15:11:15
    On 04 Feb 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    Ok Go filmed a music video on it - hilarious.
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    I'd never seen that before you mentioned it. Pretty funny. Had to have had a good time with that.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 12:34:00
    On 02-03-20 20:21, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Me either. Am allowing myself 1 service to pay money for.
    Yeah, 1 service is reasonable. :)

    When I got Netflix back in 2013...I watched it as much as I watch
    Britbox now. At the point I got rid of Netflix last year...hardly
    watched it & couldn't see a reason to pay $7.98 with no more Doctor Who
    or Mission: Impossible...the other shows I loved watching. Biggest difference I see between the two is the same programs I watched on Netflix...but a better selection of shows I already have on my media server.

    I haven't gone down the media server route, but we do have a very large collection of video files on HDD these days. I did look into Plex, but for our use case, didn't see sufficient advantage in it.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 12:56:00
    On 02-04-20 10:57, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On top of its really bad depiction of orbital mechanics - something just

    I don't recall if the ships went "whoosh" or not.

    Should be silent, but that doesn't make for good entertainment with today's audiences. Maybe once space travel is routine, people will then see silent space scenes as more "realistic".

    There have been a few space shows that did it properly and filmed their zero G scenes on the "Vomit Comet"

    Ok Go filmed a music video on it - hilarious.

    Hmm, interesting. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 05:03:36
    I haven't gone down the media server route, but we do have a very large

    I have 4 external HDD's for a total of 20 TB for my stuff. As for Plex...got
    it running...but it won't update the newest stuff I put up for the current season. Usually...I just open up Chrome & send it to the Chromecast.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 06, 2020 00:20:00
    I haven't gone down the media server route, but we do have a very large collection of video files on HDD these days. I did look into Plex, but for our use case, didn't see sufficient advantage in it.

    I had Kodi installed at one stage. It was in the end a pain in the bunghole. On the one hand it was nice poking through the pretty covers for something to watch, it seemed to be exceedingly difficult to edit/remove stuff from its database. I ended up turfing it. The NUC could probably cope with something like that. And the storage is reasonably stable at the moment. Both things that
    would be advantageous for it.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, February 06, 2020 14:37:00
    On 02-05-20 05:03, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I haven't gone down the media server route, but we do have a very large

    I have 4 external HDD's for a total of 20 TB for my stuff. As for Plex...got it running...but it won't update the newest stuff I put up
    for the current season. Usually...I just open up Chrome & send it to
    the Chromecast.

    We're up to 2 HDDs, with a third coming soon. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, February 06, 2020 14:39:00
    On 02-06-20 00:20, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I had Kodi installed at one stage. It was in the end a pain in the bunghole. On the one hand it was nice poking through the pretty covers
    for something to watch, it seemed to be exceedingly difficult to edit/remove stuff from its database. I ended up turfing it. The NUC
    could probably cope with something like that. And the storage is reasonably stable at the moment. Both things that
    would be advantageous for it.

    We just use media files stored on a HDD.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 06, 2020 19:25:00
    We just use media files stored on a HDD.

    Thats what I went back too :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, February 06, 2020 20:57:00
    On 02-06-20 19:25, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We just use media files stored on a HDD.

    Thats what I went back too :)

    KISS. :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 06, 2020 04:42:16
    I have 4 external HDD's for a total of 20 TB for my stuff. As for
    We're up to 2 HDDs, with a third coming soon. :)

    Started off with a 3 TB WD which started to go flaky...so tore it out of the case & put it in the PC & nothing. Finally just added an 8 TB middle of last year & a 4 TB passport drive right before that.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 07, 2020 02:58:00
    KISS. :D

    No.... well maybe, but no tongue...


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, February 07, 2020 18:57:00
    On 02-06-20 04:42, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I have 4 external HDD's for a total of 20 TB for my stuff. As for
    We're up to 2 HDDs, with a third coming soon. :)

    Started off with a 3 TB WD which started to go flaky...so tore it out
    of the case & put it in the PC & nothing. Finally just added an 8 TB middle of last year & a 4 TB passport drive right before that.

    We use standard internal SATA HDDs with an external cradle.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Friday, February 07, 2020 19:03:00
    On 02-07-20 02:58, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    KISS. :D

    No.... well maybe, but no tongue...

    Haha not that kiss, but KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 07, 2020 04:50:30
    Started off with a 3 TB WD which started to go flaky...so tore it out of the case & put it in the PC & nothing. Finally just added an 8 TB middle of last year & a 4 TB passport drive right before that.
    We use standard internal SATA HDDs with an external cradle.

    Very nice. Looked at that...but with the prices of these external drives...I went with the external drives because the 1st one was given to me.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 07, 2020 07:10:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-

    We use standard internal SATA HDDs with an external cradle.

    I love those - I had a box of SATA drives that I wasn't sure they contained, and my La Cie 2TB external smoked recently..

    Instead of buying a replacement external drive, I found a USB 3.0 quick- change enclosure that I can slide the top off and swap the drive out in a couple of seconds.

    I found a BBS backup from 2006!




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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 08, 2020 10:58:00
    On 02-07-20 04:50, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Started off with a 3 TB WD which started to go flaky...so tore it out of the case & put it in the PC & nothing. Finally just added an 8 TB middle of last year & a 4 TB passport drive right before that.
    We use standard internal SATA HDDs with an external cradle.

    Very nice. Looked at that...but with the prices of these external drives...I went with the external drives because the 1st one was given
    to me.

    Internal drives tend to be cheaper here, and the SATA interface is fairly universal. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 08, 2020 11:00:00
    On 02-07-20 07:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Instead of buying a replacement external drive, I found a USB 3.0
    quick- change enclosure that I can slide the top off and swap the drive out in a couple of seconds.

    Yeah it's as simple as power down the drive (vutton on the cradle), swap drives and power up again. Using USB 3 means transfer speeds are good. :)

    I found a BBS backup from 2006!

    Nice!


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 07, 2020 17:15:50
    Internal drives tend to be cheaper here, and the SATA interface is fairly universal. :)

    Did end up putting a PCIx PATA controller on my current AMD board. Had a few
    of these drives sitting around I was using.

    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less than
    $100 US for the rest of them each.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 08, 2020 20:42:00
    On 02-07-20 17:15, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Internal drives tend to be cheaper here, and the SATA interface is fairly universal. :)

    Did end up putting a PCIx PATA controller on my current AMD board. Had
    a few of these drives sitting around I was using.

    OK, cool.

    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less
    than $100 US for the rest of them each.

    They're not that cheap here!


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 08, 2020 22:38:00
    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less than $100 US for the rest of them each.

    They're not that cheap here!

    Oddly enough... I haven't been looking for HD's but apparently 4's might be going to fall off the pricelists soon... let me find my friendly heads up email
    from SecretSauce..

    I may be wrong, but I suspect there's going to be a drop in HDD
    prices soon. I base that on the "Special" price both Officeworks
    and JBHiFI have on 4TB USB drives. Both of them are advertising
    t he drives at $99. That's $25 a TB. Every other drive is $40 a TB
    on average. Once the new drives arrive they'll adjust the prices.
    But 4TB drives may not be among them.

    There we go... 4s might be best bang for your buck for now...depending what you
    buy and where of course, I'm guessing these are externals mentioned. He usually has those, although he's been consolidating into a larger NAS/Server arrangement recently.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 08, 2020 22:41:00
    Did end up putting a PCIx PATA controller on my current AMD board. Had a few of these drives sitting around I was using.

    I still use IDE/PATA as boot devices on anything that still supports them. 3 systems here, although I cheated I have one on SSD. Anyway if your IDE's give you grief, I have half a box full here in a variety of capacities. Mostly small, better as O/S rather than storage. Drop me a line, I'll hunt something up.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Saturday, February 08, 2020 09:35:00
    Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I still use IDE/PATA as boot devices on anything that still supports
    them. 3 systems here, although I cheated I have one on SSD.

    I finally got rid of all of my desktop PATA HDDs and CD-R/DVD-R drives in trying to do a cleanup of my storage space. I have a few laptop ATA drives I need to go through, since I don't have any more ATA laptops. I have a
    Thinkpad Ultrabay that I should be able to mount them in.

    I do have two oddball drives - ATA SSD drives, one 64GB and one 128GB drive.
    I bought them to eke out a few more years out of a single-core Thinkpad T43. They made a 15 year old laptop quite usable. The only thing they couldn't do very well was full-screen video.




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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 08, 2020 11:36:36
    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less than $100 US for the rest of them each.
    They're not that cheap here!

    Being everything is made in China...fully expect the orange idiot to screw us even further by putting a 100% tariff on any computer parts to show those Chinese & make it where they will be much cheaper where you're at than here.

    Did get kind of irritated last night looking at the Retro Games site (C64/C64 Mini). Went to the UK Amazon site & in big red letters...the joystick is 20 quid...but CAN'T SHIP IT TO THE US. Was wanting the new joystick for the Mini...but come to find out that the company doesn't sell the new system or anything to go with it in the US yet.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 09, 2020 08:06:00
    I still use IDE/PATA as boot devices on anything that still supports
    them. 3 systems here, although I cheated I have one on SSD.

    I finally got rid of all of my desktop PATA HDDs and CD-R/DVD-R
    drives in trying to do a cleanup of my storage space. I have a few
    laptop ATA drives I need to go through, since I don't have any more
    ATA laptops. I have a Thinkpad Ultrabay that I should be able to
    mount them in.

    I run with the theory, that I can use these small drives as an effective boot device, and save all the "big iron" for unpolluted data space :) I picked up an IDE to USB dock to hang oddball drives in some time back, but the long shop is starting to dry up in IDE devices.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 09, 2020 09:35:00
    Did get kind of irritated last night looking at the Retro Games site (C64/C64 Mini). Went to the UK Amazon site & in big red letters...the joystick is 20 quid...but CAN'T SHIP IT TO THE US. Was wanting
    the new joystick for the Mini...but come to find out that the
    company doesn't sell the new system or anything to go with it in the
    US yet.

    They using the bog standard C64 digital joystick? I have a box of Quickshots here. I haven't had time to test them, or manufactured a tester yet, but they don't owe me much...

    Spec


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Saturday, February 08, 2020 23:49:48
    joystick is 20 quid...but CAN'T SHIP IT TO THE US. Was wanting
    the new joystick for the Mini...but come to find out that the
    They using the bog standard C64 digital joystick? I have a box of Quickshots here. I haven't had time to test them, or manufactured a tester yet, but they don't owe me much...

    The stick they send out with the Mini has some quality issues...such as if
    you actually play with it too hard...the shaft will break in half. To fix that...you open up the stick & put it back together with a long screw.

    Myself...just use a couple of game pads which look like the ones from the
    SNES. Back in the day...we would just use the Atari ones or get some 3rd
    party ones built better than the Commodore stock ones. Remember having a
    short squatty stick that I abused like crazy & still it kept going.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 09, 2020 20:46:00
    On 02-08-20 22:38, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less than $100 US for the rest of them each.

    They're not that cheap here!

    Oddly enough... I haven't been looking for HD's but apparently 4's
    might be going to fall off the pricelists soon... let me find my
    friendly heads up email
    from SecretSauce..

    I may be wrong, but I suspect there's going to be a drop in HDD
    prices soon. I base that on the "Special" price both Officeworks
    and JBHiFI have on 4TB USB drives. Both of them are advertising
    t he drives at $99. That's $25 a TB. Every other drive is $40 a TB
    on average. Once the new drives arrive they'll adjust the prices.
    But 4TB drives may not be among them.


    Hmm, OK. Will definitely have to keep an eye out on prices. :)

    There we go... 4s might be best bang for your buck for now...depending what you
    buy and where of course, I'm guessing these are externals mentioned.
    He usually has those, although he's been consolidating into a larger NAS/Server arrangement recently.

    Well, internals actually suit our setup better.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, February 09, 2020 20:47:00
    On 02-08-20 22:41, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Did end up putting a PCIx PATA controller on my current AMD board. Had a few of these drives sitting around I was using.

    I still use IDE/PATA as boot devices on anything that still supports
    them. 3 systems here, although I cheated I have one on SSD. Anyway if
    your IDE's give you grief, I have half a box full here in a variety of capacities. Mostly small, better as O/S rather than storage. Drop me a line, I'll hunt something up.

    Hmm, I didn't write that, I quoted it...


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 09, 2020 20:50:00
    On 02-08-20 11:36, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    In terms of the external drives...I paid $139 US for the 8 TB & less than $100 US for the rest of them each.
    They're not that cheap here!

    Being everything is made in China...fully expect the orange idiot to
    screw us even further by putting a 100% tariff on any computer parts to show those Chinese & make it where they will be much cheaper where
    you're at than here.

    That's always possible.

    Did get kind of irritated last night looking at the Retro Games site (C64/C64 Mini). Went to the UK Amazon site & in big red letters...the joystick is 20 quid...but CAN'T SHIP IT TO THE US. Was wanting the new joystick for the Mini...but come to find out that the company doesn't
    sell the new system or anything to go with it in the US yet.

    I have that problem with Amazon all the time, other than books, most of their stuff doesn't ship to Australia. :(


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 09, 2020 11:30:20
    (C64/C64 Mini). Went to the UK Amazon site & in big red letters...the joystick is 20 quid...but CAN'T SHIP IT TO THE US. Was wanting the ne
    I have that problem with Amazon all the time, other than books, most of their stuff doesn't ship to Australia. :(

    WOW! I rarely use Amazon for anything anymore because of their shipping
    charges by their 3rd party vendors. Usually...use Ebay with free shipping.
    For instance...got a copy of OS/2 for Dummies for $3.99 US with free shipping...while Amazon wanted to charge me 4-5 times that amount & put shipping on top of that.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Monday, February 10, 2020 07:02:00
    Hmm, OK. Will definitely have to keep an eye out on prices. :)

    I think the implication will be, that 4's aren't long for this mortal coil, if they're falling out of externals, I can't see internals being to far behind.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Ryan on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:17:00
    ryan wrote to All <=-

    only" style as well...I wish consumers would fight back against this at some point.

    You do... by not spending...



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:24:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-

    On 01-26-20 23:40, Phoobar wrote to Adept <=-

    Expect something like Pluto TV & such as being the solution. Don't care about watching TV shows/movies with short spots...especially if it's something I enjoy & didn't see back in the day. If this is true...it
    may take years for Picard & others to come to this forum.

    Hmm, this needs a bit of explanation. I've never herd of Pluto TV, and I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    Our son & DIL have a television that came with it - pretty cool with the
    choice of channels! I found an iPad app of it too, so that's cool too!





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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Ryan on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:27:00
    ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah I have no interest in streaming subscriptions. I used to be a regular purchaser of music through services like iTunes and the like,
    when I wanted to add to my collection, but now I simply don't bother, because I keep getting redireted to the streaming services. I'll just pull up music videos on YouTube nowadays and put up with the ads. :)

    Maybe it's because I make music myself, but I still feel like there has
    to be a contingent of people who prefer to curate a personal collection
    of material, directly supporting the author(s) that they like. I refuse
    to believe everything is a throwaway. It just doesn't make sense.

    I don't disagree with you, and I'm a singer/songwriter myself with ONE self-published CD (and digital downloads).

    I think a lot of it has to do with attention span... There's always
    'the next thing.' Now when I'm learning a song? I'll listen to it
    dozens of times, but once I start performing it? I don't want to listen
    much any more cause I'm not trying to it 'like they do/did.' :-)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Adept on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:29:00
    Adept wrote to ryan <=-

    Maybe it's because I make music myself, but I still feel like there has
    to be a contingent of people who prefer to curate a personal collection
    of material, directly supporting the author(s) that they like. I refuse
    to believe everything is a throwaway. It just doesn't make sense.

    I think this is why I spend as much as I do on Patreon support.

    Mind you, I feel a bit questionable about _Patreon_, but it making it easier to support the small-time creators is a wonder.

    I have a Patreon account and they do take their fees, but you're right - it makes it easier to support creators and gives a clearinghouse without them having to bill you every month or you remembering to 'pay' the creator
    every month...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:32:00
    Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    They stream cancelled TV shows/movies usually 3 or 5 years old uncut
    with commercial spots.

    Hate having to do 2 messages...but Mystic was acting funky & not
    letting me go past 80 columns.

    And if it's the one I'm thinking about, they have a Bond channel and
    a RiffTrax channel?



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Poindexter Fortran on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:33:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Phoobar <=-

    It's probably out there, but the killer app is one that'd aggregate all
    of the streaming content on different services into one guide. I have a Roku TV, and the number of streaming channels I had no idea existed is mind- blowing.

    Apple TV kinda does this now...




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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Jimmy Anderson on Sunday, February 09, 2020 23:00:29
    And if it's the one I'm thinking about, they have a Bond channel and
    a RiffTrax channel?

    Used to be on there to promote the newest Bond movie...but they discontinued the Bond channel after the 1st of the year.

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    Apple TV kinda does this now...

    They do, but rather poorly IMO.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 09:09:00
    On 02-09-20 11:30, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    WOW! I rarely use Amazon for anything anymore because of their shipping charges by their 3rd party vendors. Usually...use Ebay with free
    shipping. For instance...got a copy of OS/2 for Dummies for $3.99 US
    with free shipping...while Amazon wanted to charge me 4-5 times that amount & put shipping on top of that.

    Yes, eBay has become quite good value for a lot of things. A lot of stuff out of China can come with free shipping. Takes a bit longer, and similarly, there's a few large book distributors that offer excellent prices and free shipping. Amazon has a lot of strong competition these days.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 09:10:00
    On 02-10-20 07:02, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, OK. Will definitely have to keep an eye out on prices. :)

    I think the implication will be, that 4's aren't long for this mortal coil, if they're falling out of externals, I can't see internals being
    to far behind.

    In which case, I'll simply go bigger. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Jimmy Anderson on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 09:14:00
    On 02-09-20 22:24, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, this needs a bit of explanation. I've never herd of Pluto TV, and I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    Our son & DIL have a television that came with it - pretty cool with
    the choice of channels! I found an iPad app of it too, so that's cool
    too!

    Cool, sounds pretty good from what I've been reading here.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 00:31:16
    Yes, eBay has become quite good value for a lot of things. A lot of
    stuff out of China can come with free shipping. Takes a bit longer, and

    Usually takes around 2-3 weeks for something to arrive here in the states. Being closer to the source is the time frame faster from one Asian country to another?

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 21:46:00
    On 02-11-20 00:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, eBay has become quite good value for a lot of things. A lot of
    stuff out of China can come with free shipping. Takes a bit longer, and

    Usually takes around 2-3 weeks for something to arrive here in the
    states. Being closer to the source is the time frame faster from one
    Asian country to another?

    They quote 2-5 weeks, but usually takes 2-3 weeks, and even known to arrive early.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 12:03:05
    Usually takes around 2-3 weeks for something to arrive here in the states. Being closer to the source is the time frame faster from one Asian country to another?
    They quote 2-5 weeks, but usually takes 2-3 weeks, and even known to arrive early.

    WOW! Thought it might get there in a week or so being in the same part of the world.

    This is what I love about this network. Can ask questions like this & find
    out it's not that different than it is here.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:16:00
    Usually takes around 2-3 weeks for something to arrive here in

    They quote 2-5 weeks, but usually takes 2-3 weeks, and even known to


    One of the issues is that the mail often doesn't come direct. Something about mainland China addressing, they send it via Hong Kong or similar so it has less
    issues... but of course helps slow things down.

    Spec


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 17:27:28
    They quote 2-5 weeks, but usually takes 2-3 weeks, and even know
    One of the issues is that the mail often doesn't come direct. Something about mainland China addressing, they send it via Hong Kong or similar
    so it has less issues... but of course helps slow things down.

    Noticed when I get stuff in that it usually sits in China at the postal
    station for several days...then is sent out of country to the states.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 12:35:00
    On 02-11-20 12:03, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    WOW! Thought it might get there in a week or so being in the same part
    of the world.

    Hong Kong is not that close, really. You forget the N-S difference. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 20:16:11
    Hong Kong is not that close, really. You forget the N-S difference. :)

    One of the things I regret the most is never having the money to have traveled outside the US.

    Earlier this year & even longer than that...been getting those job listings from China to teach English. A former teacher I know has done this for
    several years & loves doing it. Have looked into it closely & found that several of these are hundreds of miles from Hong Kong & other large cities. Even have a friend who has adopted a couple of girls from Mainland China &
    has gone there several times. Part of it is am fearful of not being able to leave in the case of an emergency. I know...it's unfounded.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 18:28:00
    Noticed when I get stuff in that it usually sits in China at the postal station for several days...then is sent out of country to the states.

    To some extent it depends on what the item is, not all postal services will accept all items from all other postal services... sounds like gibberish doesn't it..

    Ergo Aus Post won't accept Li-on direct from China, but will take it from Hong Kong, so phase one of the trip is get it to a service that will actually deliver... There are other weird things like that too.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 19:18:00
    On 02-11-20 20:16, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hong Kong is not that close, really. You forget the N-S difference. :)

    One of the things I regret the most is never having the money to have traveled outside the US.

    I've managed to visit the US, and enjoyed

    Earlier this year & even longer than that...been getting those job listings from China to teach English. A former teacher I know has done this for several years & loves doing it. Have looked into it closely & found that several of these are hundreds of miles from Hong Kong &

    Sounds lucrative if you can do it. :)

    other large cities. Even have a friend who has adopted a couple of
    girls from Mainland China & has gone there several times. Part of it is
    am fearful of not being able to leave in the case of an emergency. I know...it's unfounded.

    I'm sure things will work out if you go over. They'd want to look after you, and like Japan decades ago, China's realised the value of knowing English for commerce, and that's sparked a huge demand for English teachers over there.

    I'm looking at the possibility of a trip to Hong Kong in late 2022, which will be a huge experience. Hopefully, that will be just the start of a period of international travel. :)



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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 03:26:52
    To some extent it depends on what the item is, not all postal services will accept all items from all other postal services... sounds like gibberish doesn't it..

    It certainly does. Have seen several of my packages from there start off with the US Postal Service in China & stay with them for the whole trip.

    from Hong Kong, so phase one of the trip is get it to a service that
    will actually deliver... There are other weird things like that too.

    What a croc! Sounds like someone's gotta make a buck every leg of the trip.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 03:34:53
    I'm sure things will work out if you go over. They'd want to look after you, and like Japan decades ago, China's realised the value of knowing English for commerce, and that's sparked a huge demand for English teachers over there.

    Very true. It's actually a better deal than anything you can come up with
    here in the States. You make pretty good money...an apartment & time off to
    do whatever you would like.

    Years ago...thought about getting my Master's in Education...but when I come
    to my senses...there would be no way to make it worth the extra 2 years & needing to continually taking classes. I compare it to being a cashier at
    work. Too many times...I wish someone would hit me with a 2x4 to knock some sense into me for being there.

    I'm looking at the possibility of a trip to Hong Kong in late 2022,
    which will be a huge experience. Hopefully, that will be just the start of a period of international travel. :)

    Very nice!!!

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, February 13, 2020 07:44:00
    On 02-12-20 03:34, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm sure things will work out if you go over. They'd want to look after you, and like Japan decades ago, China's realised the value of knowing English for commerce, and that's sparked a huge demand for English teachers over there.

    Very true. It's actually a better deal than anything you can come up
    with here in the States. You make pretty good money...an apartment &
    time off to do whatever you would like.

    Sounds like what Japan used to offer years ago. Let's hope it has the same effect in China that it did in Japan - manuals becoming easier to read LOL.

    Years ago...thought about getting my Master's in Education...but when I come to my senses...there would be no way to make it worth the extra 2 years & needing to continually taking classes. I compare it to being a cashier at work. Too many times...I wish someone would hit me with a
    2x4 to knock some sense into me for being there.

    Haha, I'm in the process of working out what I want to do for the rest of my working life. Not as easy as you'd think in my case. :) Hopefully I'll have some answers soon. :)

    I'm looking at the possibility of a trip to Hong Kong in late 2022,
    which will be a huge experience. Hopefully, that will be just the start of a period of international travel. :)

    Very nice!!!

    Yeah, domestic travel has kicked off a bit, off to Brisbane in April, Wollongong in October and Norfolk Island in January 2021. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 22:39:29
    with here in the States. You make pretty good money...an apartment & time off to do whatever you would like.
    Sounds like what Japan used to offer years ago. Let's hope it has the same effect in China that it did in Japan - manuals becoming easier to read LOL.

    For that matter...a manual in there at all.

    Haha, I'm in the process of working out what I want to do for the rest
    of my working life. Not as easy as you'd think in my case. :)
    Hopefully I'll have some answers soon. :)

    Looking for answers sometimes leads someone to places they don't like. With
    the way my life is now...I keep asking myself WTF I did in a former life & I hope I don't do it again. ;)

    Yeah, domestic travel has kicked off a bit, off to Brisbane in April, Wollongong in October and Norfolk Island in January 2021. :)

    Very nice! Used to travel like crazy 20 or so years ago...but now...hard to
    get out of town on the 50cc scooter.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, February 13, 2020 20:17:00
    On 02-12-20 22:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For that matter...a manual in there at all.

    Oh, I've read some pretty good "Chinglish", but like the "Jinglish" from Japan of decades ago, I think we'll see it disappear as English is taught more widely accross China.

    Haha, I'm in the process of working out what I want to do for the rest
    of my working life. Not as easy as you'd think in my case. :)
    Hopefully I'll have some answers soon. :)

    Looking for answers sometimes leads someone to places they don't like. With the way my life is now...I keep asking myself WTF I did in a
    former life & I hope I don't do it again. ;)

    True, but sometimes it's likke training for and racing the 400 metres. You know it's going to hurt and may get ugly, but it's what you have to go through to win it, and it will be worth the pain! :)

    Yeah, domestic travel has kicked off a bit, off to Brisbane in April, Wollongong in October and Norfolk Island in January 2021. :)

    Very nice! Used to travel like crazy 20 or so years ago...but
    now...hard to get out of town on the 50cc scooter.

    Well right now I'm down to walking and catching the bus. The car is in the shop with a fault in the clutch hydraulics, hopefully something simple like a slave cylinder. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:45:10
    For that matter...a manual in there at all.
    Oh, I've read some pretty good "Chinglish", but like the "Jinglish" from Japan of decades ago, I think we'll see it disappear as English is
    taught more widely accross China.

    Maybe...maybe not...especially when it means having to spend more money (in relative terms) to have this happen. The big companies...oh yeah...but some that I buy from...don't see it happening soon enough.

    True, but sometimes it's likke training for and racing the 400 metres. You know it's going to hurt and may get ugly, but it's what you have to
    go through to win it, and it will be worth the pain! :)


    True again...but if you look at my own life...being poor all my life & not born/married into money...does limit your chances of what's available. If either of these situations would've changed...my life would be different.

    Well right now I'm down to walking and catching the bus. The car is in

    I have been riding a 50cc TaoTao green scooter for the past 3 years. Want a car...but the tags/insurance are outrageous here in Oregon & worse in Washington/California. Thinking about spending $200 & getting my motorcycle endorsement back by taking a required class & getting at least a 150cc
    scooter. That way...can look for work in other cities & eventually move there when I find a job.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 14, 2020 07:49:00
    Oh, I've read some pretty good "Chinglish", but like the "Jinglish" from Japan of decades ago, I think we'll see it disappear as English
    is taught more widely accross China.

    Way back when, my father had a printing press with the jinglish manual, it was quite amusing to read but the one thing that still sticks in mind is adjusting the suction foots.

    More recently I was impressed by the "wait for the beer sound" is that a gurgle
    gurgle buuurp? That was with a NAS...

    Spec


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 22:55:00
    Phoobar wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    And if it's the one I'm thinking about, they have a Bond channel and
    a RiffTrax channel?

    Used to be on there to promote the newest Bond movie...but they discontinued the Bond channel after the 1st of the year.

    Ah - actually just turned it on a few minutes ago. Have Dick Van
    Dyke playing now. :-)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:02:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-

    On 02-09-20 11:30, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    WOW! I rarely use Amazon for anything anymore because of their shipping charges by their 3rd party vendors. Usually...use Ebay with free
    shipping. For instance...got a copy of OS/2 for Dummies for $3.99 US
    with free shipping...while Amazon wanted to charge me 4-5 times that amount & put shipping on top of that.

    Yes, eBay has become quite good value for a lot of things. A lot of
    stuff out of China can come with free shipping. Takes a bit longer,
    and similarly, there's a few large book distributors that offer
    excellent prices and free shipping. Amazon has a lot of strong competition these days.

    Yep - takes a little bit of time, but I will compare Amazon with
    eBay, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot - etc. before I buy. :-)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:05:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 02-09-20 22:24, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, this needs a bit of explanation. I've never herd of Pluto TV, and I'm not sure what you mean in the rest of your message.

    Our son & DIL have a television that came with it - pretty cool with
    the choice of channels! I found an iPad app of it too, so that's cool
    too!

    Cool, sounds pretty good from what I've been reading here.

    Popped it on when I started the mail run. :-) Watching Dick Van Dyke
    now. :-)




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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:57:00
    On 02-13-20 11:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe...maybe not...especially when it means having to spend more money (in relative terms) to have this happen. The big companies...oh
    yeah...but some that I buy from...don't see it happening soon enough.

    I have seen some improvements in recent years.

    True again...but if you look at my own life...being poor all my life &
    not born/married into money...does limit your chances of what's
    available. If either of these situations would've changed...my life
    would be different.

    I wasn't born into money, nor did I marry into it, and additionally, my earning capacity has also been significantly limited - something I'm only just unravelling now. Whether I can change that is uncertain, but hopefully.

    Well right now I'm down to walking and catching the bus. The car is in

    I have been riding a 50cc TaoTao green scooter for the past 3 years.
    Want a car...but the tags/insurance are outrageous here in Oregon &
    worse in Washington/California. Thinking about spending $200 & getting
    my motorcycle endorsement back by taking a required class & getting at least a 150cc scooter. That way...can look for work in other cities & eventually move there when I find a job.

    I have a hydraulic issue with the clutch, which is why the car is at the garage. Hopefully get it back early next week, and hopefully a relatively inexpensive fix. The bus network here is slow and inefficient. I can literally walk across town in the time that the bus takes - both times are in the order of an hour, with walking slightly under. And there's times like earlier this morning and last evening, where the bus wasn't even an option, because they weren't running at those hours. :/

    Anyway, I managed a 6.5km walk (just over 4 miles) in 55 minutes this morning. The bus trip home took around 50 minutes, and was with me being around 3 minutes closer at the time I caught the bus. :)

    Also, I discovered the app is really poor at route selection for relatively fit people. Last night, I was able to save 30 minutes by taking on a 1.4km walk rather than waiting for another bus. Walking time estimates are way off for me, being around twice as long as it actually takes me.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:00:00
    On 02-14-20 07:49, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Way back when, my father had a printing press with the jinglish manual,
    it was quite amusing to read but the one thing that still sticks in
    mind is adjusting the suction foots.

    Haha Jinglish and Chinglish can be quite amusing. :)

    More recently I was impressed by the "wait for the beer sound" is that
    a gurgle
    gurgle buuurp? That was with a NAS...

    Hahaha! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Jimmy Anderson on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:00:00
    On 02-12-20 23:02, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yep - takes a little bit of time, but I will compare Amazon with
    eBay, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot - etc. before I buy. :-)

    Always pays to shop around. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Jimmy Anderson on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:01:00
    On 02-12-20 23:05, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Popped it on when I started the mail run. :-) Watching Dick Van Dyke
    now. :-)

    Cool, that's going back a bit! :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Jimmy Anderson on Friday, February 14, 2020 22:06:45
    Used to be on there to promote the newest Bond movie...but they discontinued the Bond channel after the 1st of the year.
    Ah - actually just turned it on a few minutes ago. Have Dick Van
    Dyke playing now. :-)

    Used to watch it like crazy. Got me hooked on The IT Crowd & other programs. Now...paying for BritBox...so am binging on Inside No 9 & Classic Doctor Who.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 14, 2020 22:31:04
    yeah...but some that I buy from...don't see it happening soon enough.
    I have seen some improvements in recent years.

    For the docs from American companies...can't tell the difference...but for
    some of the toys I get...hope some of these students start sooner rather than later.

    I wasn't born into money, nor did I marry into it, and additionally, my earning capacity has also been significantly limited - something I'm
    only just unravelling now. Whether I can change that is uncertain, but hopefully.

    Hope you can. If you can keep the Tories or whatever they are called
    there from trying the failures from the US...you may be able to do so. We
    joke at work that many of the boxes from the appliances we sell maybe the
    homes we will live in here.

    I have a hydraulic issue with the clutch, which is why the car is at the garage. Hopefully get it back early next week, and hopefully a
    relatively inexpensive fix. The bus network here is slow and

    Used to have a Ford F-150 P/U (lorry) that had to have the hydraulic clutch assembly changed twice. The 2nd time it happened...had to put a brand new clutch assembly into it.

    relatively inexpensive fix. The bus network here is slow and
    inefficient. I can literally walk across town in the time that the bus takes - both times are in the order of an hour, with walking slightly under. And there's times like earlier this morning and last evening, where the bus wasn't even an option, because they weren't running at
    those hours. :/

    Sure you don't live here??? Sounds like out bus system. For instance...I take
    a shuttle from one college to another to see my doctor. Costs me $1.50 each ride from this town...but free in the other city. Usually just jump the bus & ride around that time to have some time away from home. No Sunday/evening service here...but the other city is a major college town...so it runs till after midnight. Wish I could live there...but can't afford to live in a
    college town.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 15, 2020 00:02:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 02-12-20 23:05, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Popped it on when I started the mail run. :-) Watching Dick Van Dyke
    now. :-)

    Cool, that's going back a bit! :)

    The epitome of classic television though! Family friendly, and his knack
    at phsyucial humor is unparalleled, IMO.




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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 15, 2020 20:28:00
    On 02-14-20 22:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For the docs from American companies...can't tell the difference...but
    for some of the toys I get...hope some of these students start sooner rather than later.

    Haha yep, or some Chinese brands. :D

    Hope you can. If you can keep the Tories or whatever they are called
    there from trying the failures from the US...you may be able to do so.
    We joke at work that many of the boxes from the appliances we sell
    maybe the homes we will live in here.

    Yeah, oddly enough it's the Liberal party. :D

    Used to have a Ford F-150 P/U (lorry) that had to have the hydraulic clutch assembly changed twice. The 2nd time it happened...had to put a brand new clutch assembly into it.

    Hopefully I'll have a better idea on Monday

    Sure you don't live here??? Sounds like out bus system. For
    instance...I take a shuttle from one college to another to see my
    doctor. Costs me $1.50 each ride from this town...but free in the other city. Usually just jump the bus & ride around that time to have some
    time away from home. No Sunday/evening service here...but the other
    city is a major college town...so it runs till after midnight. Wish I could live there...but can't afford to live in a college town.

    Yeah, not a particularly big town here.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Jimmy Anderson on Saturday, February 15, 2020 20:35:00
    On 02-15-20 00:02, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Popped it on when I started the mail run. :-) Watching Dick Van Dyke
    now. :-)

    Cool, that's going back a bit! :)

    The epitome of classic television though! Family friendly, and his
    knack at phsyucial humor is unparalleled, IMO.

    Yep, they don't make em like that anymore!


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:02:15
    for some of the toys I get...hope some of these students start sooner rather than later.
    Haha yep, or some Chinese brands. :D

    I could be wrong...but it seems like Google does a better translation than
    some of the stuff I've seen. That might be a step up.

    Hope you can. If you can keep the Tories or whatever they are called there from trying the failures from the US...you may be able to do so
    Yeah, oddly enough it's the Liberal party. :D

    Remember hearing that on CBC out of Ottawa recently. I'll try to remember to add onto my freezer box for your bedroom. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:42:00
    On 02-15-20 12:02, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    Hope you can. If you can keep the Tories or whatever they are called there from trying the failures from the US...you may be able to do so
    Yeah, oddly enough it's the Liberal party. :D

    Remember hearing that on CBC out of Ottawa recently. I'll try to
    remember to add onto my freezer box for your bedroom. ;)

    Hmm, that reference is lost on me. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 16, 2020 23:39:28
    Remember hearing that on CBC out of Ottawa recently. I'll try to remember to add onto my freezer box for your bedroom. ;)
    Hmm, that reference is lost on me. :/

    Right after I get up & getting ready for my day at work...I have my Google
    Home Mini play the world version of Reuter's headline...Canadian
    Broadcasting's The World Today & World Headlines.

    The reason is that American news blows & intentionally is paid to lie to
    their audience. Learned a long time ago...you want to find out what's really going on in the rest of the world outside the US...you don't listen to
    American news...since they don't care what's happening out the rest of the world. It's gotten so bad that anything else (including porn) will keep you more up-to-date than American news. This is my opinion...coming from someone who used to be in the business.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, February 17, 2020 19:24:00
    On 02-16-20 23:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The reason is that American news blows & intentionally is paid to lie
    to their audience. Learned a long time ago...you want to find out
    what's really going on in the rest of the world outside the US...you
    don't listen to American news...since they don't care what's happening

    Yep. Here we at least have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), which tends to report fairly factually, and is generally highly regarded.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 08:29:00

    Well it doesn't want to quote for me this morning on this particular message for some reason.. so..

    We also have SBS which if anything is probably better than the ABC in this day and age.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:45:00
    On 02-18-20 08:29, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    Well it doesn't want to quote for me this morning on this particular message for some reason.. so..

    Weird. :/

    We also have SBS which if anything is probably better than the ABC in
    this day and age.

    Yeah SBS is pretty good as well.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, February 17, 2020 19:55:38
    Yep. Here we at least have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting
    Corporation), which tends to report fairly factually, and is generally highly regarded.

    Agree with that.If Google had a feed for ABC...I would drop the 2nd headline from the CBC for similar programming from the ABC.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 08:56:00
    On 02-17-20 19:55, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yep. Here we at least have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting
    Corporation), which tends to report fairly factually, and is generally highly regarded.

    Agree with that.If Google had a feed for ABC...I would drop the 2nd headline from the CBC for similar programming from the ABC.

    Yes, you could certainly do a lot worse than that for news. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 19:22:25
    Agree with that.If Google had a feed for ABC...I would drop the 2nd headline from the CBC for similar programming from the ABC.
    Yes, you could certainly do a lot worse than that for news. :)

    For instance...anything owned/run by Rupert Murdock.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 22:07:47
    I've been watching several episodes of this show, I like it. I think it's
    well written and is something I can relate to given it's TNG background.
    Pity it's only 10 episodes. My wife is finding it a bit harder because she is not used to one story across 10 episodes vs 10 self contained stories in 10 episodes. Interesting eh?

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Avon on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 05:06:31
    I've been watching several episodes of this show, I like it. I think it's well written and is something I can relate to given it's TNG background. Pity it's only 10 episodes. My wife is finding it a bit harder because
    she is not used to one story across 10 episodes vs 10 self contained stories in 10 episodes. Interesting eh?

    It's interesting because the aspect of TNG that I really liked is the "we're exploring space for the benefit of all sentient life" and the theme was a bit of...socialism gone right :) Picard is more action packed, fighting against
    the clock, some big overarching existential threat tying together the
    episodes.

    I like Picard, but I prefer TNG. In any case, I'm watching as well.

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  • From code dc@21:4/168 to Avon on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 23:00:37
    I'm just starting eps 4 now I'm a big fan of this format of a 8 hour film :-)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 19:13:00
    On 02-18-20 19:22, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Agree with that.If Google had a feed for ABC...I would drop the 2nd headline from the CBC for similar programming from the ABC.
    Yes, you could certainly do a lot worse than that for news. :)

    For instance...anything owned/run by Rupert Murdock.

    Yep, case in point. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:22:00
    On 02-19-20 22:07, Avon wrote to All <=-

    I've been watching several episodes of this show, I like it. I think
    it's well written and is something I can relate to given it's TNG background. Pity it's only 10 episodes. My wife is finding it a bit
    harder because she is not used to one story across 10 episodes vs 10
    self contained stories in 10 episodes. Interesting eh?

    Picard is quite good, I'm enjoying it. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to code dc on Thursday, February 20, 2020 18:40:09
    On 19 Feb 2020 at 11:00p, code dc pondered and said...

    I'm just starting eps 4 now I'm a big fan of this format of a 8 hour
    film :-)

    I've enjoyed it, well I've already said that, it's a bit like meeting old friends and seeing how they got on a few years down the track.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 20, 2020 18:43:49
    On 20 Feb 2020 at 12:22p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Picard is quite good, I'm enjoying it. :)

    Same I have just watched episode 4, I'd love to chat about it (with spoilers) but we would have to preface our thread with some alert :)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 22:56:45
    Yes, you could certainly do a lot worse than that for news. :)
    For instance...anything owned/run by Rupert Murdock.

    Too bad he & the rest of his brood didn't end up on Tasmania. They could've
    had devils for pets...got bit & end up like some of the devils with that disease.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Avon on Friday, February 21, 2020 01:09:00
    Same I have just watched episode 4, I'd love to chat about it (with spoilers) but we would have to preface our thread with some alert
    :)

    You'll have to fire up, FSX_SPOILTREKERS ;)

    Spec


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Avon on Thursday, February 20, 2020 19:27:54
    I've been watching several episodes of this show, I like it. I think
    it's
    well written and is something I can relate to given it's TNG
    background.
    Pity it's only 10 episodes. My wife is finding it a bit harder because
    she is
    not used to one story across 10 episodes vs 10 self contained stories
    in 10
    episodes. Interesting eh?

    I like it a lot too, and probably most due to the fact that it isn't Star Trek in the way we are used to (the bridge of the Enterprise, and so on).


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Spectre on Friday, February 21, 2020 12:31:25
    On 21 Feb 2020 at 01:09a, Spectre pondered and said...

    Same I have just watched episode 4, I'd love to chat about it (with spoilers) but we would have to preface our thread with some alert
    :)

    You'll have to fire up, FSX_SPOILTREKERS ;)

    or...



















    just do a lot of enters on the keyboard before I reply :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Joacim Melin on Friday, February 21, 2020 12:34:41
    On 20 Feb 2020 at 07:27p, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    I like it a lot too, and probably most due to the fact that it isn't
    Star Trek in the way we are used to (the bridge of the Enterprise, and
    so on).

    I watched ep 1-4 quite quickly, my plan is to now wait until all 10 are out
    and watch the rest over 4-5 days... waiting for a week to go by to see one ep is a killer :)

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Avon on Thursday, February 20, 2020 20:04:15
    I watched ep 1-4 quite quickly, my plan is to now wait until all 10 are out and watch the rest over 4-5 days... waiting for a week to go by to
    see one ep is a killer :)

    Have you watched Discovery? I'm paying the premium CBS fees for Picard and
    may start watching Discovery to justify the expense, lol. Just curious if
    it's worth diving into.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Friday, February 21, 2020 19:40:00
    On 02-20-20 18:43, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 20 Feb 2020 at 12:22p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Picard is quite good, I'm enjoying it. :)

    Same I have just watched episode 4, I'd love to chat about it (with spoilers) but we would have to preface our thread with some alert :)

    Maybe the usual:

    *SPOLER ALERT!!!*










































    <insert spoilers here...>

    ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, February 21, 2020 19:41:00
    On 02-19-20 22:56, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, you could certainly do a lot worse than that for news. :)
    For instance...anything owned/run by Rupert Murdock.

    Too bad he & the rest of his brood didn't end up on Tasmania. They could've had devils for pets...got bit & end up like some of the devils with that disease.

    And ruin a perfectly decent state. ;)


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Avon on Friday, February 21, 2020 09:45:19
    21 Feb 20 12:34, you wrote to Joacim Melin:

    On 20 Feb 2020 at 07:27p, Joacim Melin pondered and said...

    I like it a lot too, and probably most due to the fact that it isn't
    Star Trek in the way we are used to (the bridge of the Enterprise, and
    so on).

    I watched ep 1-4 quite quickly, my plan is to now wait until all 10 are out and watch the rest over 4-5 days... waiting for a week to go by to see one ep is a killer :)

    The weekly format works for some shows better than for others and I agree that it doesn't work that well for ST Picard. Some shows now have two episodes a week.

    And now to the spoilers for episode 5 ...




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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 21, 2020 08:40:30
    Too bad he & the rest of his brood didn't end up on Tasmania. They could've had devils for pets...got bit & end up like some of the devi with that disease.
    And ruin a perfectly decent state. ;)

    Totally agree. As a lover of the Bond movies...let us turn our attention to From Russia With Love. The chess player is killed with poison after messing
    up. #1 says we need to find a faster acting poison than one which works in 12 seconds. ;)

    Problem would be solved by training the devil's to bite certain areas...but they might just die in less than 12 seconds. Damn it...find me another
    method. ;)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 22, 2020 06:09:00
    On 21 Feb 2020 at 07:40p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    <insert spoilers here...>

    ;)

    Yep

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Saturday, February 22, 2020 06:29:56
    On 20 Feb 2020 at 08:04p, ryan pondered and said...

    Have you watched Discovery? I'm paying the premium CBS fees for Picard
    and may start watching Discovery to justify the expense, lol. Just
    curious if it's worth diving into.

    Yes both seasons, here it is on Netflix. I enjoyed it. It was refreshing to
    see something Trek, new characters, new locations etc. after quite some time. It's a very different tale with some nice twists and reveals. Some folks were not sure how it could fit into the timelines and cannons of TOS but I think
    the writers worked on this and did a good job at tipping their hat to the
    time period it's set in (look for Captain Pike etc.)

    So yeah, dive in give a whirl, you may love it, you might go meh... but
    unless you look... :)

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Avon on Friday, February 21, 2020 13:44:09
    So yeah, dive in give a whirl, you may love it, you might go meh... but unless you look... :)

    Thanks! I'll have a couple weeks of recovery time from that medical thing i told all of fsxNet about recently (lol) so I'll check it out.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Avon on Saturday, February 22, 2020 12:28:00
    or...







    just do a lot of enters on the keyboard before I reply :)

    Or resurrect ROT13 :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:28:00
    On 02-21-20 08:40, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Too bad he & the rest of his brood didn't end up on Tasmania. They could've had devils for pets...got bit & end up like some of the devi with that disease.
    And ruin a perfectly decent state. ;)

    Totally agree. As a lover of the Bond movies...let us turn our
    attention to From Russia With Love. The chess player is killed with
    poison after messing up. #1 says we need to find a faster acting poison than one which works in 12 seconds. ;)

    Hahaha. :)

    Problem would be solved by training the devil's to bite certain areas...but they might just die in less than 12 seconds. Damn it...find
    me another method. ;)

    Oh well. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:55:00
    On 02-22-20 06:29, Avon wrote to ryan <=-

    So yeah, dive in give a whirl, you may love it, you might go meh... but unless you look... :)

    Yep. :) I've enjoyed Discovery so far. I can see the controversy, but I enjoyed where it went, and am looking forward (pun not intended) to seeing what happens 930 years into their future. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, February 21, 2020 22:54:32
    Problem would be solved by training the devil's to bite certain areas...but they might just die in less than 12 seconds. Damn it...fi me another method. ;)
    Oh well. ;)

    I meant the devils. Why should they be the ones to pay for what this family
    has done? Gotten to the point where I like any type of animal better than
    most people I meet. Devils have a reputation for being mean...they just
    haven't met me or had me bite them yet. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, February 22, 2020 19:00:00
    On 02-21-20 22:54, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I meant the devils. Why should they be the ones to pay for what this

    Poor devils! :D :D

    Good point. ;)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 22, 2020 08:40:47
    I meant the devils. Why should they be the ones to pay for what this
    Poor devils! :D :D
    Good point. ;)

    Brrrroooother Tony...let's take a special offering for these poor devils. Afterwards...we cremated the human bodies to send them to Yucca Mountain
    Nevada to guard the nuclear pile.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, February 24, 2020 20:27:00
    On 02-22-20 08:40, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I meant the devils. Why should they be the ones to pay for what this
    Poor devils! :D :D
    Good point. ;)

    Brrrroooother Tony...let's take a special offering for these poor
    devils. Afterwards...we cremated the human bodies to send them to Yucca Mountain Nevada to guard the nuclear pile.

    Hrmmmmm......
    ... It's okay to stay true to your roots as long as you grow your own leaves. === MultiMail/Win v0.51
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