• How are things?

    From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to all on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 12:41:08
    Hey all, looks like there has been a lot more boards joining and more
    people generally BBSing, which is great to see.

    I was so far behind on messages that there were over 2000 new msgs here
    in general chat.. It was too overwhelming so I skipped most of them and
    will start fresh and pretend I've been in a coma. :)

    Things have been a bit crazy here. First 6 months of this year I had no
    work, and then contract work started drip feeding in. I started a new
    contract when NZ went into another lockdown, which was interesting
    timing.

    The one upside to this pandemic (if I'm to look for a silver lining) is
    that companies have finally accepted that a lot of their staff can work remotely. My work is now 100% work from home. Easy for me as a UNIX
    Engineer / Architect.

    Downside to working form home is that I roll out of bed, start work, then
    roll back into bed when I'm done. Not quite that bad, but it feels like
    it sometimes.

    Anyway, hi, I'll try and be around more. :)


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to JoE DooM on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 18:47:34
    Downside to working form home is that I roll out of bed, start work, then roll back into bed when I'm done. Not quite that bad, but it feels like
    it sometimes.

    Anyway, hi, I'll try and be around more. :)


    I feel you there, brother! I'm definitely feeling some cabin fever this year. Here's hoping that the world stops being stupid in 2022!

    I'm probably the newest SysOp on fsxNet, but I'll be glad to be the first to say:

    Welcome back! It's almost as if you were in a coma, for a while...XD

    McDoob
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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to McDoob on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 14:55:16
    I feel you there, brother! I'm definitely feeling some cabin fever
    this year.
    Here's hoping that the world stops being stupid in 2022!

    Ayup. One thing's for sure, post apocalytic movies will never be the same again, now that we know how the world will end. ;)

    I'm probably the newest SysOp on fsxNet, but I'll be glad to be the
    first to
    say:
    Welcome back! It's almost as if you were in a coma, for a while...XD

    haha thanks and welcome to you too. I saw your onboarding post and that
    was pretty interesting with your SNES emulator work. I wish I had such a
    good attention span. haha




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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to JoE DooM on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 21:38:38
    Ayup. One thing's for sure, post apocalytic movies will never be the same again, now that we know how the world will end. ;)


    You mean...ZombieLand isn't real? No Twinkies? Q_Q

    haha thanks and welcome to you too. I saw your onboarding post and that was pretty interesting with your SNES emulator work. I wish I had such a good attention span. haha


    You may have missed an important lesson in that post:
    Don't let your attention get so absorbed in one thing that you forget about everything else.

    You do remember the remarks about the red-head, yeah? Q_Q

    "You might have a plan for life, but don't expect life to have the same plan for you!" -- McDoob

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to McDoob on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 17:24:24
    You mean...ZombieLand isn't real? No Twinkies? Q_Q

    I can neither confirm nor deny.

    You may have missed an important lesson in that post:
    Don't let your attention get so absorbed in one thing that you forget
    about
    everything else.

    I'm sure there's a balance to be found. But I'm probably at the opposite
    end of the attention span spectrum. In NZ we have a bird called a Kea
    that's attracted to shiny objects. I'm like that. haha

    You do remember the remarks about the red-head, yeah? Q_Q

    I glossed over that because I have my own bad memories of a redhead.



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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to JoE DooM on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 23:37:45
    You mean...ZombieLand isn't real? No Twinkies? Q_Q

    I can neither confirm nor deny.

    I'm sure there's a balance to be found. But I'm probably at the opposite end of the attention span spectrum. In NZ we have a bird called a Kea that's attracted to shiny objects. I'm like that. haha

    You do remember the remarks about the red-head, yeah? Q_Q

    I glossed over that because I have my own bad memories of a redhead.


    I've always said I have more in common with Kiwis (and Ozzies, sorry) than Canucks. :)

    Mostly because I have a night shift job...But also because too many of us Canucks are becoming 'Americanized'... (u_u)

    So many of my fellow countrymen are shouting "Canada! Fuck yeah!" not understanding the origin of that phrase...

    Anyway, enough of that stuff.

    Let's both not sweat the small stuff, and

    (KOSK) Keep On Smiling, Kids!

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to JoE DooM on Thursday, December 16, 2021 02:17:30
    JoE DooM wrote to all <=-

    The one upside to this pandemic (if I'm to look for a silver lining) is that companies have finally accepted that a lot of their staff can work remotely. My work is now 100% work from home. Easy for me as a UNIX Engineer / Architect.

    Pretty much all the companies that I worked for had management that needed to see you at your desk "working" to be satisfied that you were actually working - mostly because they had no idea how to measure your work and always thought you would be slacking if you were allowed to work from home.

    With the shutdowns, it forced them to allow work from home. And guess what? The same amount of work got done.

    Now those same managers are drooling over the money that they will save by getting rid of paying for office space.

    Downside to working form home is that I roll out of bed, start work,
    then roll back into bed when I'm done. Not quite that bad, but it feels like it sometimes.

    I know how you feel. But it is nice to spend the day in pirate fleece pants.


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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to JoE DooM on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 21:39:19
    Hello JoE!

    Welcome back!

    On 15 Dec 2021, JoE DooM said the following...
    I was so far behind on messages that there were over 2000 new msgs here
    in general chat.. It was too overwhelming so I skipped most of them and will start fresh and pretend I've been in a coma. :)

    :-D

    The one upside to this pandemic (if I'm to look for a silver lining) is that companies have finally accepted that a lot of their staff can work remotely. My work is now 100% work from home. Easy for me as a UNIX Engineer / Architect.

    Yes, this is a good thing. Hopefully most employers have learnt now that those who work can work regardless of location. And those who don't work very hard wouldn't have worked hard anyway... It's a matter of trust (and reasonable follow-ups to make sure things are heading in the right direction)...

    Downside to working form home is that I roll out of bed, start work, then roll back into bed when I'm done. Not quite that bad, but it feels like
    it sometimes.

    :-D :-D :-D

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to McDoob on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 21:49:04
    "You might have a plan for life, but don't expect life to have the same plan for you!" -- McDoob

    I know I've been lucky, but one of the things I've been enjoying about my
    life is the amount of travel (literal and figurative) I've gotten out of basically saying, "Okay, well, that's an easy-ish option with some novelty,
    so I'll go for it. No need to think about it."

    And then I do things like moving to Germany or spending a year making
    calendar ANSIs.

    And I often wonder how much of what I've ended up doing has been about who I am, and how much is luck. And tend to arrive on "mostly luck, but what else
    can I do?".

    And fingers crossed that my luck continues.

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to McDoob on Thursday, December 16, 2021 13:38:16
    Let's both not sweat the small stuff, and

    omg it was so humid yesterday that I was sweating *everything*... :p

    I need another shower just thinking about it...


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Dr. What on Thursday, December 16, 2021 13:52:04
    With the shutdowns, it forced them to allow work from home. And guess
    what?
    The same amount of work got done.

    yeah it's pretty funny. It's a common misconception that people in
    management have more of a clue than everyone else. :D

    Now those same managers are drooling over the money that they will
    save by
    getting rid of paying for office space.

    One company I contracted to a couple of months ago are having to move
    buildings temporarily, while their current one is knocked down and
    rebuilt to withstand the next big earthquake.

    And partly because there are a lot of other companies in the same boat,
    and partly because of a new-found acceptance of remote working staff,
    their new temporary digs are only going to be able to support about 1/3rd
    of their total local staff.

    I wonder how long before a standard welcome package for new hires will be
    a laptop, a VPN, and a comfy chair for you to take home. haha


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Zip on Thursday, December 16, 2021 14:00:27
    Hello JoE!
    Welcome back!

    Hi Zip, thanks. :)

    Yes, this is a good thing. Hopefully most employers have learnt now
    that those who work can work regardless of location. And those who
    don't work very hard wouldn't have worked hard anyway... It's a matter
    of trust (and reasonable follow-ups to make sure things are heading in
    the right direction)...

    Yeah, that's right. Most places these days have daily "standups" where
    a team can let others know what they've been working on and what they
    might need help with. It keeps everyone honest, plus it means we're still talking to other humans. :)

    As far as location is concerned, I'm not yet seeing many in NZ who will
    allow remote workers from other cities. There are a few, but they seem to
    be the exceptions. That'll be the next big mental hurdle for businesses I think.

    I mean, if I can work remotely, then the agents should be able to find me contracts from anywhere in the country, or even overseas, but they're
    still a bit reluctant. Or maybe I need better agents. :)


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to JoE DooM on Friday, December 17, 2021 02:17:55
    JoE DooM wrote to Dr. What <=-

    yeah it's pretty funny. It's a common misconception that people in management have more of a clue than everyone else. :D

    I think the term is "common myth". Dilbert has been showing that management really has no clue in most large companies.

    I wonder how long before a standard welcome package for new hires will
    be a laptop, a VPN, and a comfy chair for you to take home. haha

    My company has done all but the comfy chair over the last year.

    And Steelcase and Herman Miller are close by, so the chair might be in the works. 8)



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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to JoE DooM on Friday, December 17, 2021 02:17:55
    JoE DooM wrote to McDoob <=-

    omg it was so humid yesterday that I was sweating *everything*... :p

    I need another shower just thinking about it...

    Not quite humid here, but certainly much warmer than normal. But it will be back to normal this afternoon. Related to that are the very strong winds we are getting right now.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to JoE DooM on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 07:22:00
    JoE DooM wrote to all <=-

    The one upside to this pandemic (if I'm to look for a silver lining) is that companies have finally accepted that a lot of their staff can work remotely. My work is now 100% work from home. Easy for me as a UNIX Engineer / Architect.

    My user base is a development group that was Slack-friendly before the lockdown in March 2020. We were quite happy working on our home PCs and remoting into our work laptops, when infosec turned RDP off. :(

    It's a mixed blessing; when I was RDPing into my work laptop, work and play sort of blended together. Now that I'm doing development/sysadmin work on
    the laptop only, I can shut it down at night and not be online 24/7.

    Downside to working form home is that I roll out of bed, start work,
    then roll back into bed when I'm done. Not quite that bad, but it feels like it sometimes.

    I had 2 kids remote schooling with me through the Spring and Fall of 2020, both ended up going back in the Spring of 2021. Getting out of the house was key - we have a deck with a table and chairs, and we started taking lunch breaks together outside - get some vitamin D, get away from the keyboard,
    and recharge a bit. Walking in the morning and evening helps, too - I have a dog and live in a dog-friendly block, so I end up seeing other dog walkers.
    2 5-foot leashes makes for a good social distance during a pandemic. :)

    If we do lock down again, at least we'll be in better shape. During the lockdown, we landscaped the yard, added a furnished shed in the yard and remodeled the kitchen.







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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to McDoob on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 07:31:00
    McDoob wrote to JoE DooM <=-

    I've always said I have more in common with Kiwis (and Ozzies, sorry)
    than Canucks. :)

    Mostly because I have a night shift job...

    Is that because you're awake when they are?

    But also because too many of
    us Canucks are becoming 'Americanized'... (u_u)

    "Culture" is unfortunately one of our biggest exports. Sorry about that.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, December 16, 2021 13:29:50
    Is that because you're awake when they are?

    Basically, yeah. But it's also a mind set thing...

    People around the world think of Canada as the 'polite' country, yes? But that's not what I'm seeing anymore. Maybe I'm just looking with old, jaded eyes. Or maybe things actually were better in the past...

    "Culture" is unfortunately one of our biggest exports. Sorry about that.

    Considering how close we are, compared to any other country, it's really not much of a surprise. There's no reason to apologize; after all, we did sucker you guys into buying Bieber. No returns, btw. =)

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Dr. What on Friday, December 17, 2021 09:58:24
    I think the term is "common myth". Dilbert has been showing that
    management
    really has no clue in most large companies.

    both are polite ways of saying "total rubbish". :) haha

    My company has done all but the comfy chair over the last year.
    And Steelcase and Herman Miller are close by, so the chair might be in
    the
    works. 8)

    Nice. Hopefully they are quick to realise that your comfort and health &
    safety are important and they sort one promptly. :)


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Dr. What on Friday, December 17, 2021 10:04:26
    Not quite humid here, but certainly much warmer than normal. But it
    will be
    back to normal this afternoon. Related to that are the very strong
    winds we
    are getting right now.

    It's been a bit all over the place here. I'm in Wellington, NZ (same as
    where Al's Geek Lab is located) which is known for its wind. Yesterday was coolish and rainy. Today is mild and hopefully the rain has stopped. I
    can hear birds chirping outside.

    We haven't got much wind here lately, thankfully. But the weather
    each day seems to be decided by a dice roll.


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, December 17, 2021 10:14:00
    My user base is a development group that was Slack-friendly before the lockdown in March 2020. We were quite happy working on our home PCs
    and
    remoting into our work laptops, when infosec turned RDP off. :(

    Yeah, that's an interesting one from a security POV. But if you have work laptops as opposed to desktops, then I'm guessing the preference would be
    for you to take those home and connect back to the work network via a VPN?

    both ended up going back in the Spring of 2021. Getting out of the
    house was
    key - we have a deck with a table and chairs, and we started taking
    lunch
    breaks together outside - get some vitamin D, get away from the
    keyboard,
    and recharge a bit. Walking in the morning and evening helps, too - I

    Nice, a couple of years ago I started walking, but because our footpaths (sidewalks in US parlance :) ) are all shonky in my neighbourhood, it's literally a pain to walk around. Oddly enough, I would go on bush walks
    and the ground there was straighter! haha

    I also like the idea of what the Japanese call shinrin-yoku, which
    translates to "forest bathing." Not getting your gear off and taking a
    bath, but immersing yourself in nature. :)

    dog and live in a dog-friendly block, so I end up seeing other dog
    walkers.
    2 5-foot leashes makes for a good social distance during a pandemic.
    :)

    haha. I need another dog. I've become too much like my cats.

    lockdown, we landscaped the yard, added a furnished shed in the yard
    and
    remodeled the kitchen.

    Nice.


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  • From Mickey@21:1/156.1 to JoE DooM on Thursday, December 16, 2021 20:17:02
    Not quite humid here, but certainly much warmer than normal. But
    it
    coolish and rainy. Today is mild and hopefully the rain has stopped. I
    can hear birds chirping outside.

    Our global differences make me smile. I heard what I thought was a bird
    singing today, but by the time I got to it, it has frozen to death. <grin>





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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to JoE DooM on Saturday, December 18, 2021 02:37:21
    JoE DooM wrote to Dr. What <=-

    My company has done all but the comfy chair over the last year.
    And Steelcase and Herman Miller are close by, so the chair might be in
    the
    works. 8)

    Nice. Hopefully they are quick to realise that your comfort and health
    & safety are important and they sort one promptly. :)

    For me, I'd just be upgrading what I already have. One of the nice things about having those office furnature manufacturers near by is their outlet stores. We already have really nice Steelcase chairs for our computer desks.


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Mickey on Saturday, December 18, 2021 07:33:27
    Our global differences make me smile. I heard what I thought was a

    Well, northern hemisphere vs southern hemisphere...

    bird
    singing today, but by the time I got to it, it has frozen to death.
    <grin>

    :(



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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Dr. What on Saturday, December 18, 2021 07:52:18
    For me, I'd just be upgrading what I already have. One of the nice
    things
    about having those office furnature manufacturers near by is their
    outlet
    stores. We already have really nice Steelcase chairs for our computer desks.

    I need to look for a good furniture repair place. I've got a really nice
    chair which has a cracked leg (mix of me being a fat arse and it having
    caught in my torn up carpet). My current chair is ok, but a freebie from
    a work colleague.

    My dream has always been to build a captain's chair like on the bridge of
    scifi movies. :) Or a pilot.. Wash had a nice comfy looking chair in
    Firefly. :D


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to JoE DooM on Saturday, December 18, 2021 09:27:47
    On 16 Dec 2021 at 01:52p, JoE DooM pondered and said...

    One company I contracted to a couple of months ago are having to move buildings temporarily, while their current one is knocked down and
    rebuilt to withstand the next big earthquake.

    And partly because there are a lot of other companies in the same boat, and partly because of a new-found acceptance of remote working staff, their new temporary digs are only going to be able to support about 1/3rd of their total local staff.

    I wonder how long before a standard welcome package for new hires will be a laptop, a VPN, and a comfy chair for you to take home. haha


    Where I work I have been able to work remotely since August but in the last week or so my country changed to a different Covid management system - they call it the traffic light system (more at covid19.govt.nz if interested) and so my employer has been asking us to return to the office. There's also a 'must be vaccinated' policy in place there too.

    Anywho the reason I share this is I have found working at home to be a good experience and going back into the office to be more of a noisy and a bit more distracting experience. I have however enjoyed the social contact with fellow colleagues again :)

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Avon on Saturday, December 18, 2021 14:43:01
    Where I work I have been able to work remotely since August but in the
    last week or so my country changed to a different Covid management
    system - they call it the traffic light system (more at
    covid19.govt.nz if interested) and so my employer has been asking us
    to return to the office. There's also a 'must be vaccinated' policy in
    place there too.

    I'm in NZ too (it's Spiro here.. I know I keep changing my handle hah)

    Yeah I think there's going to be a general push to get people back in
    offices next year, but I think many will be rotating staff and have a
    half at work/half at home week... Wellington is still going thru
    earthquake strengthening and getting buildings back up to code after the kaikura quake, and because of that many companies are having to cut down
    how many seats they can fit in whatever office space they can find.

    Is Dunedin going through anything similar or are your office buildings
    largely unscathed?

    Anywho the reason I share this is I have found working at home to be a
    good experience and going back into the office to be more of a noisy
    and a bit more distracting experience. I have however enjoyed the
    social contact with fellow colleagues again :)

    Agree. In fact, I dread going back into a full office because I don't
    like the noise. In the last place I worked I had noise cancelling
    headphones, but some spaces were so noisy I would also wear earplugs
    under the headphones. And that just gave me earaches after having to do
    that for 8 hours a day (and then wearing them at night because my old
    apnoea machine was much noisier)...

    I didn't use the headphones for listening to music because I like music
    too much and stop working to listen to it. hahaha so that's even more of
    a distraction.

    So working from home get my official seal of approval. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to JoE DooM on Saturday, December 18, 2021 16:51:08
    On 18 Dec 2021 at 02:43p, JoE DooM pondered and said...

    I'm in NZ too (it's Spiro here.. I know I keep changing my handle hah)

    Oh hey, yeah - sorry! :)

    Yeah I think there's going to be a general push to get people back in offices next year, but I think many will be rotating staff and have a
    half at work/half at home week... Wellington is still going thru earthquake strengthening and getting buildings back up to code after the kaikura quake, and because of that many companies are having to cut down how many seats they can fit in whatever office space they can find.

    Dunedin is only just starting to look at that stuff I feel. That said I think because of the supposed risk profile they think it may not be ask likely. But that said if the main fault line in the South Island goes no where will be safe from a major incident I think.

    Is Dunedin going through anything similar or are your office buildings largely unscathed?

    I should have read this before I replied. Yep, but slowly, see above.

    ACC are building a new main office here in the city I'm sure that one will be super sound. The local council buildings I think are getting a make over now too.

    The new city hospital will certainly be sorted when done, but it's years away from being built as they have only just cleared land (old Cadbury Factory buildings) to start construction which I think begins in 2022.

    Agree. In fact, I dread going back into a full office because I don't
    like the noise. In the last place I worked I had noise cancelling headphones, but some spaces were so noisy I would also wear earplugs
    under the headphones. And that just gave me earaches after having to do that for 8 hours a day (and then wearing them at night because my old apnoea machine was much noisier)...

    I've done the same at times but then my team leader who sits nearby me and also speaks in a quiet tone will ask me question so I have to keep pulling out the plugs to hear her.

    I didn't use the headphones for listening to music because I like music too much and stop working to listen to it. hahaha so that's even more of
    a distraction.

    Yeah me to... sometimes I'll play Tron soundtrack or something from Kebu or Madis while I do BBSing, I quite like those sounds. :)

    So working from home get my official seal of approval. :)

    Yay :) You get my one - back at ya :)

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Avon on Saturday, December 18, 2021 20:13:21
    ACC are building a new main office here in the city I'm sure that one
    will be super sound. The local council buildings I think are getting a
    make over now too.
    The new city hospital will certainly be sorted when done, but it's
    years away from being built as they have only just cleared land (old
    Cadbury Factory buildings) to start construction which I think begins
    in 2022.

    It's crazy how long things have been taking us. I mean, I know government doesn't move quickly... haha I'm always amazed when I see the Chinese come together to fix things or build them. They seem to take days to do stuff
    that takes us years or decades.. They rebuilt the 1300 tonne San Yuan
    bridge in Beijing in 43 hours apparently.. That was demolishing and
    rebuilding.

    Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz_j_BEkVCQ

    I just rewatched it and I can't help but chuckle at how inefficient we
    are in comparison.

    I've done the same at times but then my team leader who sits nearby me
    and also speaks in a quiet tone will ask me question so I have to keep pulling out the plugs to hear her.

    I've had people interrupt me in the past who are clearly oblivious to the
    fact that if someone has headphones and earplugs, can't see or hear you,
    and you have to literally stand in front of them and wave to get their attention, they would probably prefer you didn't interrupt them.
    Especially for something trivial that they could ask anyone else about..

    sigh.

    But we do live in the me-me-me-now-now-now generation.

    It's why I don't like calling people on the phone. It's basically saying, please stop what you're doing and pay attention to me right now. I'll
    send an email and they can get back to me when they're good and ready.

    What were we talking about? hahaha

    So working from home get my official seal of approval. :)
    Yay :) You get my one - back at ya :)

    Thank you sir. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to JoE DooM on Sunday, December 19, 2021 14:37:36
    On 18 Dec 2021 at 08:13p, JoE DooM pondered and said...

    It's crazy how long things have been taking us. I mean, I know government doesn't move quickly... haha I'm always amazed when I see the Chinese
    come together to fix things or build them. They seem to take days to do

    I recall at the end of 2019 watch them build those hospitals in like 7 days or so... that was just as Covid-19 was starting to kick off.

    I've had people interrupt me in the past who are clearly oblivious to the fact that if someone has headphones and earplugs, can't see or hear you, and you have to literally stand in front of them and wave to get their attention, they would probably prefer you didn't interrupt them. Especially for something trivial that they could ask anyone else about..

    Yep

    It's why I don't like calling people on the phone. It's basically saying, please stop what you're doing and pay attention to me right now. I'll
    send an email and they can get back to me when they're good and ready.

    That's a good idea. I do mostly email too but sometimes a phone call can save a lot of back and forth.

    What were we talking about? hahaha

    Mr Whippy ice-cream I think. Did you know we finally have a van again in Dunedin doing the rounds? And they play Greensleeves...

    But there's also some other new guy and he plays the tune from the movie The Bridge over the River Kwai. <--- the more you know ;-)

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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Avon on Sunday, December 19, 2021 21:13:05
    That's a good idea. I do mostly email too but sometimes a phone call
    can save a lot of back and forth.

    True. :)

    What were we talking about? hahaha
    Mr Whippy ice-cream I think. Did you know we finally have a van again
    in Dunedin doing the rounds? And they play Greensleeves...
    But there's also some other new guy and he plays the tune from the
    movie The Bridge over the River Kwai. <--- the more you know ;-)

    hahahahahaha that's fantastic.

    I haven't heard an ice cream truck around here for a few years now. Maybe
    they didn't do very well, but they didn't stick to a schedule. It just
    always seemed random, so by the time I'd thought about where my wallet
    was and put some shoes on, they'd be long gone.

    It wouldn't be seemly for an old fat bugger like me to go running after
    an ice cream truck. hahah Maybe 10 years ago...


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to JoE DooM on Sunday, December 19, 2021 19:45:00
    On 12-19-21 21:13, JoE DooM wrote to Avon <=-

    It wouldn't be seemly for an old fat bugger like me to go running after
    an ice cream truck. hahah Maybe 10 years ago...

    Haha I could chase down the ice cream truck, and beat most of the kids as well! :D


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to JoE DooM on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 14:53:34
    On 19 Dec 2021 at 09:13p, JoE DooM pondered and said...

    hahahahahaha that's fantastic.
    I haven't heard an ice cream truck around here for a few years now. Maybe they didn't do very well, but they didn't stick to a schedule. It just always seemed random, so by the time I'd thought about where my wallet
    was and put some shoes on, they'd be long gone.
    It wouldn't be seemly for an old fat bugger like me to go running after
    an ice cream truck. hahah Maybe 10 years ago...

    If the truck starts playing 'if you're happy and you know it -- run faster' then you know you're in trouble :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to JoE DooM on Sunday, December 19, 2021 11:08:00
    JoE DooM wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah, that's an interesting one from a security POV. But if you have
    work laptops as opposed to desktops, then I'm guessing the preference would be for you to take those home and connect back to the work
    network via a VPN?

    What I want to do is take my home desktop with 2 monitors and RDP into the work laptop sitting in my home office. RDP can use both big monitors,
    despite the laptop having one screen. Then, VPN into the network from the laptop.

    I also like the idea of what the Japanese call shinrin-yoku, which translates to "forest bathing." Not getting your gear off and taking a bath, but immersing yourself in nature. :)

    I like to meditate, and some guided walking meditations are very helpful.
    You can use them when you were going to walk somewhere anyways, and having a new awareness from walking mindfully when you would have normally been checking your socials, listening to music, and generally multitasking is
    nice.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Monday, December 20, 2021 08:15:00
    Avon wrote to JoE DooM <=-

    Where I work I have been able to work remotely since August but in the last week or so my country changed to a different Covid management
    system - they call it the traffic light system (more at covid19.govt.nz
    if interested) and so my employer has been asking us to return to the office. There's also a 'must be vaccinated' policy in place there too.

    Anywho the reason I share this is I have found working at home to be a good experience and going back into the office to be more of a noisy
    and a bit more distracting experience. I have however enjoyed the
    social contact with fellow colleagues again :)

    My company had intended to go back January 4th, but I hear of more and more companies (and schools) wanting to stay remote for at least 2 weeks after
    the holidays to create a quarantine period after family gatherings and potential infections.

    The last I'd heard it's completely voluntary and would happen (maybe) some time after February.

    My office is a bunch of developers, we were meeting on Slack while we were
    in the office, long before Covid. We're doing OK.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to JoE DooM on Monday, December 20, 2021 08:28:00
    JoE DooM wrote to Avon <=-

    Agree. In fact, I dread going back into a full office because I don't
    like the noise. In the last place I worked I had noise cancelling headphones, but some spaces were so noisy I would also wear earplugs
    under the headphones.

    If music doesn't work to help drown out the people noise (I've been
    listening to the same ambient tracks since 2000 at work) you might try some
    of the noisescapes I've run across. Some of them sound like coffee shops,
    and the non-identifyable noise helps in office spaces. Even though it's
    noise, you're not subconsciously listening in for a co-worker to get your attention or for anything that would distract your focus.

    I think that most places are going to want to promote a partial return to work, which causes another set of problems.

    Either you need to create a completely remote-friendly environment and plan
    on a blended at-home/in-office workforce, or you need to have a structure where everyone comes in on certain days and meetings are scheduled then.

    If you need to socially distance in the office, you'll need to create an alternative seating plan, which doesn't play well with pictures of your
    pets, kids, your house plants, your swingline stapler... My company tried
    hot desking with lockers for your personal effects, but that's not effective in a lot of people's minds. [1]

    People aren't going to want to sit in a conference room any more, I'm
    planning on taking the tables out of the smaller ones and using them as stand-up rooms with video.

    My current office campus has some nice outdoor spaces. I'm going to see if I can get our wifi out to a courtyard adjacent to our space; it's got several picnic tables, Adirondack chairs, a bocce pit and a barbecue. It'll be nice
    to go out and work there in the spring.




    [1] I spent several years supporting teams in many offices that supported close to 10,000 users. I ran all my meetings remotely and sat down in different areas of the campus to get a feel for the users. I got this.
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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 19:49:33
    On 19 Dec 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...


    What I want to do is take my home desktop with 2 monitors and RDP into
    the work laptop sitting in my home office. RDP can use both big
    monitors, despite the laptop having one screen. Then, VPN into the network from the laptop.

    Very easily done, I have a 3 monitor setup on my desk, I RDP into my VM machines and use the 3 monitors for them. It makes life so much easier when I want to look at 2 different VM's at the same time...

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 06:35:10
    Re: Re: How are things?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to JoE DooM on Mon Dec 20 2021 08:28 am

    People aren't going to want to sit in a conference room any more, I'm planning on taking the tables out of the smaller ones and using them as stand-up
    rooms with video.

    A lot of people didn't want to go to a conference room for a stand-up meeting in which
    the only thing they'd have to say is "We are in the same point as last week, except we
    are 10% closer to completition".

    In many companies, the progress of a project is tracked automatically so weekly meetings are widely regarded as a waste of time.

    But if you say this you will never be employed because Human Resources wants people
    who goes to meetings :-)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Bucko on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 07:39:00
    Bucko wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What I want to do is take my home desktop with 2 monitors and RDP into
    the work laptop sitting in my home office. RDP can use both big
    monitors, despite the laptop having one screen. Then, VPN into the network from the laptop.

    Very easily done, I have a 3 monitor setup on my desk, I RDP into my VM machines and use the 3 monitors for them. It makes life so much easier when I want to look at 2 different VM's at the same time...

    I used to RDP into my work laptop, but the information security team turned RDP off.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 07:40:00
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    But if you say this you will never be employed because Human Resources wants people who goes to meetings :-)

    I'm hoping that they, and the managers who measure employee engagement by
    the number of people in seats at 4:59pm are left behind in a post-covid
    world.


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  • From Greenlfc@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, December 23, 2021 09:00:59
    As a security guy, for our use case, I have no issue with our users RDPing into their work computers. We have mechanisms to secure that reasonably (once we get MFA approved it'll be better). However, I'm of the opinion that if you can RDP form a personal machine into work, there's no reason you need a work-provided laptop. Desktop machines are cheaper and more powerful for the money and a better use of company resources. In most companies I've worked the folks who get laptops and leave them on their desk most of the time are just looking for a status symbol.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, December 23, 2021 17:02:04
    Re: Re: How are things?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Dec 22 2021 07:40 am

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    But if you say this you will never be employed because Human Resources wants people who goes to meetings :-)

    I'm hoping that they, and the managers who measure employee engagement by the number of people in seats at 4:59pm are left behind in a post-covid world.



    There will be no post-covid world. Covid will stay for us forever, laugthing its ass off at our expense.

    But enough pessimist comments for today.

    Meassuring the number of people in seats is not the worst way I have seen. With remote working, I have heard they meassure productivity with factors such as mouse and keyboard ussage and the like. In other words: they attach a tracking process to your computer session and if you do not use input peripherals in a while, they assume you are slacking. Never mind if you are working with an actual piece of paper, or if you are using one of those devices that moves the mouse at random so the computer thinks you are actually working...

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  • From djatropine@21:1/121 to McDoob on Thursday, December 23, 2021 20:53:39

    McDoob around Thursday, December 16th...
    People around the world think of Canada as the 'polite' country, yes? But that's not what I'm seeing anymore. Maybe I'm just looking with old, jaded eyes. Or maybe things actually were better in the past...


    My experience with Canada:
    I was in downtown Toronto after a soccer victory.
    I see Canadians as violent. :D






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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to djatropine on Friday, December 24, 2021 00:06:17
    I was in downtown Toronto after a soccer victory.


    Okay, see, that's just not a fair comparison. Think of the city in your
    country that has a reputation of being completely populated with assholes. In Canada, we call it Toronto. The worst part is, it's one of the biggest cities in the country.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Greenlfc on Friday, December 24, 2021 09:03:00
    Greenlfc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    As a security guy, for our use case, I have no issue with our users
    RDPing into their work computers. We have mechanisms to secure that reasonably (once we get MFA approved it'll be better).

    I think it was more a case of just wanting RDP gone, because Security.

    the opinion that if you can RDP form a personal machine into work,
    there's no reason you need a work-provided laptop.

    The problem is that the work machine is the end-point. I RDP into the work laptop, and the work laptop VPNs into work.

    Desktop machines
    are cheaper and more powerful for the money and a better use of company resources. In most companies I've worked the folks who get laptops and leave them on their desk most of the time are just looking for a status symbol.

    Oh, the stories I could tell you. I worked for %LARGE_INTERNET_AUCTION_SITE% for many years managing client services/desktop support.

    1. The obese product manager who demanded a MacBook Air 11 because the 13 weighed too much. 8 ounces more. We'd done the math, it was also
    significantly more powerful and had better battery life. She felt it appropriate to escalate to her VP because of a medical condition, an unmentioned shoulder injury that no one knew about.

    Another user wanted a MacBook Air 13 for his office and another for home, because they were too heavy.

    And, yet another one wanted a MacBook Air 11 because he rode his bike 35
    miles each way into work. Ok, that one made sense. He really did.

    2. The entire account department that requested laptops for business
    continuity reasons, insisted on heavier (4.5 pound) higher powered than standard laptops, then needed to keep their desktops for number-crunching.
    You guessed it, both the laptops and the desktops stayed at work because the laptops they insisted on were too heavy to carry with them.

    3. The engineer who sent me a 3 page justification, looking like he wrote it in TeX, documenting the exact mathematical proof that he would be more productive with a 17" mac, tying the productivity increase to a ROI calculation that showed the laptop paying for itself in x number of months.

    4. Every weekend, some nitwit would leave their laptop in plain view on a Friday night and be *ASTONISHED* when they came back to their car on Monday morning to a smashed window and stolen laptop.

    When it happened twice to a user in 6 months, we issued them a desktop.

    5. One person walked into the helpdesk area spinning his laptop like a basketball on a finger. The manager at the time took it and issued him a desktop. IT paid for computer assets. I'm pretty sure he had to email his VP to get it back.

    6. One finance group was in the middle of a CRM rollout that took over a
    year. They'd budgeted for high-powered laptops and received them early on.
    The laptop vendor rolled out an upgrade with more power and the finance
    people bought new laptops then insisted that we swap the hard drives out, because of the time spent configuring their systems for the as-yet not
    rolled out CRM tool. I was telecom at the time, watching from the sidelines. Oh, the heldpesk hated that.

    7. People who'd get a new MacBook pro right before a new model came out,
    then try to invent a reason to get the new one a few months later. We explained that their department owned the depreciation for the lifetime of
    the unit. They'd try to foist it off on a new hire, so we'd have double the work to do.

    Another group did the same with Surface Pros, which meant all of IT
    management got the previous models to play with.

    8. The company deciding that new hires would only get new laptops. 3-month interns (hundreds of them) getting new laptops. Legal requiring that we hold on to exited laptops for 4 months after exit. The result? Hundreds of
    laptops used for 3 months sitting for another 4, then being disqualified for being given to (permanent) new hires.

    9. "A crack occurred". Said with a straight face.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Friday, December 24, 2021 09:11:00
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Meassuring the number of people in seats is not the worst way I have
    seen. With remote working, I have heard they meassure productivity with factors such as mouse and keyboard ussage and the like. In other words: they attach a tracking process to your computer session and if you do
    not use input peripherals in a while, they assume you are slacking.
    Never mind if you are working with an actual piece of paper, or if you
    are using one of those devices that moves the mouse at random so the computer thinks you are actually working...

    Yeah, those elements of "employee satisfaction systems" are both inaccurate and scary.

    Companies that won't pay to subsidize a home/work area but want to extend their presence into your home creep me out - I've heard of remote call
    centers wanting to see your whole room via webcam.

    A helpdesk refused to ship items that were charged to their respective departments to home addresses, citing that it wasn't their responsibility.
    You could ship it to an office and pick it up and they wouldn't know any better. Or, buy it yourself, spend more and expense it. Either way, they didn't seem to think it through.

    FYI, Apple just pushed back their return to office date from January 4th to TBD and only now offered $1000 to employees to help deck out a home office. Seems like that would have come in handy in 2020.

    Intel wants to open on Jan 4th, their office parking lot has had the gates locked since 2020 (I work a block away from their headquarters). That'll be interesting to watch.

    <knock wood> If we do lock down again, at least we're in a better place
    here. I have a rock-solid home network, bought a 3 year-old system to
    replace my 12 year-old system, and have a landscaped back yard, a cottage
    and a remodeled kitchen. My son's room is now optimized for remote schooling with a new desk and layout. My daughter prefers slouching on a couch with a laptop. :|


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, December 25, 2021 06:54:46
    Re: Re: How are things?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:11 am

    <knock wood> If we do lock down again, at least we're in a better place here. I have a rock-solid home network, bought a 3 year-old system to replace my 12 year-old system, and have a landscaped back yard, a cottage and a remodeled kitchen. My son's room is now optimized for remote schooling with a new desk and layout. My daughter prefers slouching on a couch with a laptop. :|

    Just be satisfied that she slouches on a couch with a laptop instead of abusing alcohol and drugs as my generations seems to prefer :-)

    I think if a new lockdown was ordered here, people would go on the streets and set politicians' houses on fire with them inside at this point. We had an Italian-style, nobody allowed on the streets lockdown for 3 months. If we had to tell a population with a 90-something% vaccination rate that we would need another one it would get very very ugly, very very quickly.

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  • From Greenlfc@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, December 26, 2021 08:47:20
    On 24 Dec 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    Oh, the stories I could tell you. I worked for %LARGE_INTERNET_AUCTION_SITE% for many years managing client services/desktop support.


    I think one of my favorites was when a lady brought in a ThinkPad T60 that she'd "dropped off her back deck". I was missing a nearly perfectly cut out one inch square by the hinges, like someone had taken the closed laptop and cut it with a band saw. It was quite unique.

    IT is the redheaded stepchild at my current employer. We're expected to do everything almost entirely with capex, no opex. You tell me, in modern IT, how you're supposed to run capex. I mean, if they'd let us go open source, sure, it would be doable, maybe, but most of the tools the business needs to make money are big dollar licensed stuff.

    Every chance I get I lobby to move expenses back to the business unit that generated them, rather than sticking us with the end-user compute costs everytime someone wants a faster GPU :P.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Greenlfc on Monday, January 03, 2022 15:35:00
    Greenlfc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    IT is the redheaded stepchild at my current employer. We're expected
    to do everything almost entirely with capex, no opex. You tell me, in modern IT, how you're supposed to run capex. I mean, if they'd let us
    go open source, sure, it would be doable, maybe, but most of the tools
    the business needs to make money are big dollar licensed stuff.

    We used to do that by loading any computer purchase with software licenses
    and accessories, then capitalizing it.

    Wonder why we charge you $4500 for a dell XPS15? We're ordering 4 power supplies, a handful of HDMI and USB cables, mouse, keyboard and a per-seat license for every piece of software we own along with your system, which
    we'll capitalize over 36 months.




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