I could see them trying that too, but really don't see it taking off any more than the "Windows Phone".
Basically, who uses a phone that's in the "less popular brands"
segment of the market, and how's that going?
I'm using Google Pixel phones, but I guess that's not a 'less popular brand'.
I thought about buying an Android phone with a real keyboard, like the
general, which Android version is shipped with these devices (or is available as an update) - and didn't buy one.
I think, the problem with Android updates is the biggest showstopper
for all 'less popular brands' in the Android market...
I thought about buying an Android phone with a real keyboard, like the f(x)tec pro or one of the Planet Computers' devices (Gemini, Cosmo
...).
I _did_ avoid getting a Google phone because, well, Google, but you can
I'm using Google Pixel phones, but I guess that's not a 'less popular brand'.
I _did_ avoid getting a Google phone because, well, Google, but you c
Even if you get a non-Google Android phone, you're still using an OS
made by Google.
Quick question -- I try to avoid Microsoft stuff. I'd like to get a non-Microsoft PC with Windows. Any suggestions there?
I thought about buying an Android phone with a real keyboard, like the ac>> f(x)tec pro or one of the Planet Computers' devices (Gemini, Cosmo
...).
Interesting. I didn't think they made phones with real keyboards anymore.
Years ago (around 2012), I had an LG Optimus Slider, which had a real keyboard, and I liked it. But when it came time to upgrade, it seemed
there were no more phones on the market with real keyboards anymore. At least not Androdi phones.
I _did_ avoid getting a Google phone because, well, Google, [...]
I thought about buying an Android phone with a real keyboard, like the [...]
general, which Android version is shipped with these devices (or is
available as an update) - and didn't buy one.
Oh, huh. That _is_ pretty disappointing. I'm not about to go down that rabbit hole tonight, so any idea on _why_ they're so terrible on the updates?
I _did_ avoid getting a Google phone because, well, Google, [...]
Then your only chance is an iPhone or something completely different.
As Android is by Google, they will get information from you, I guess
even with AOSP.
The best chance 'without Google' is a AOSP without any Play Services
etc., but then your options for apps will be somewhat limited.
I chose a Google phone for these reasons:
Nightfox wrote to Adept <=-
Even if you get a non-Google Android phone, you're still using an OS
made by Google.
I think they're referring to the Google ecosystem - the APIs, the store, allOne of the Chineese makers of Android phones got banned from using the Google ecosystem and if your able to get a Huawei phone you can do that.
of the data that goes back to google. There are open source versions of Android that remove the calls back to google servers, don't rely on the Google maps API, don't use the play store, etc.
Quick question -- I try to avoid Microsoft stuff. I'd like to get a non-Microsoft PC with Windows. Any suggestions there?
Even if you get a non-Google Android phone, you're still using an OS
made by Google.
I think they're referring to the Google ecosystem - the APIs, the store, all of the data that goes back to google. There are open source versions of Android that remove the calls back to google servers, don't rely on the Google maps API, don't use the play store, etc.
Re: Re: Less-common phone brands
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Oct 16 2021 06:29 am
Even if you get a non-Google Android phone, you're still using an OS
made by Google.
I think they're referring to the Google ecosystem - the APIs, the store all of the data that goes back to google. There are open source version of Android that remove the calls back to google servers, don't rely on Google maps API, don't use the play store, etc.
Interesting.. I didn't know there were open-source versions of Android. I imagine that would require loading a custom phone image onto your phone?
Nightfox
apam wrote to Adept <=-
I remember the firefox phone.. i nearly bought one at the time... i
didn't because I couldn't justify buying another phone.
Yeah, sadly not much choice if you want a smartphone. You're faced with the better of two evils. Although if you just wanted a handset...
Really, it's just time to go back to some version of PalmOS.
I did like my Tapwave Zodiac, once upon a time.
I bought one. I liked the concept of HTML5 for everything. It
worked,
and when I gave it to one of my drivers he used it for at least 4 or 5
years before his daughter gave him an iphone.
Really, it's just time to go back to some version of PalmOS.
The more modern palm pilots with colour screens were cool. Even some of
the WinCE things.
Utopian Galt wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Perhaps you can add the Amazon Android app store and you can get some
of the pay apps you might want.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Interesting.. I didn't know there were open-source versions of
Android. I imagine that would require loading a custom phone image
onto your phone?
Utopian Galt wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Perhaps you can add the Amazon Android app store and you can get some of the pay apps you might want.
There's an app store called F-Droid that doesn't use the Google store system, and is loaded with open-source apps. It's a great alternative app environment, and all free apps.
I'm starting to miss the PDA form factor, since I do most of my voice comms with a headset now.
I tend to view the phone functionality of phones as being, by far, the least important feature that provides some value.
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone, and even rarer that I wanted to have that interaction in that manner.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
This is why the best way of getting global adblocking in an ANdroid
phone is getting Netguard from F-Droid and then enabling DNS
advertisement filtering :-P
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone, and even rarer that I wanted to have that interaction in that manner.
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone, and even rarer that I wanted to hav
that interaction in that manner.
I had some interesting interactions this weekend with a tree service my neighbor hired. They trespass
onto my property, started moving my patio furniture around roughly, laying a new patio umbrella in we
dirt, and when
I confronted them, no one claimed to speak english. None of the "supervisors" listed answered their phones, 2 of them had a generic voicemail greeting reading back the number you called, and one had a voicemail box that wasn't set up.
And you're a "supervisor" with your number listed on the company web page? And not answering your phone during business hours?
One of them ended up texting me back.
I can understand that the relationship younger generations have with voice comms has changed. But, wh
you're working in business with customers who
are most likely older than you, it just looks sad.
And, my neighbor's tree looks pretty hacked-up. And they left a couple of huge branches sitting in the tops of other trees.
... Think of the radio
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone, and eve rarer that I wanted to have that interaction in that manner.
Why is that? And how do you normally prefer to interact with people?
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone,
and eve rarer that I wanted to have that interaction in that
manner.
Why is that? And how do you normally prefer to interact with
people?
Not entirely sure on the why -- possibly a mix of things, including that there's not really time to go back and consider a statement when you're on the phone, you can't write it down, and you don't get the benefit of body language in either direction.
Text has its issues, but I was practically born with a keyboard in my hands, so it feels natural.
I'm fine with in-person meetings, too. But if chatting with people, video chat is generally going to be better than audio only.
Oh, and _scheduled_ is _way_ better than surprises. I think that's part of it -- either I'm being surprised by the call, or they are.
Re: Re: Less-common phone brands
By: Adept to Nightfox on Wed Oct 20 2021 06:37 pm
But it's pretty rare that I make a phone call using my phone, Ad>> and eve rarer that I wanted to have that interaction in that Ad>> manner.
Why is that? And how do you normally prefer to interact with
people?
Not entirely sure on the why -- possibly a mix of things, including t there's not really time to go back and consider a statement when you' the phone, you can't write it down, and you don't get the benefit of language in either direction.
Text has its issues, but I was practically born with a keyboard in my hands, so it feels natural.
Ah. Sounds like you've never really talked on the phone much? How old are you (if it's okay to ask)?
For what it's worth, not being the person you're conversing with, I feel exactly the same. I'm in my 40s and have *particularly* hated voice calls since my days of working on a help desk, but I never liked them before that. Text communication allows one to be more thoughtful and frankly avoids the pitfalls of misread or mispresented body language/facial expressions. For example, people tend to think I'm pissed off most of the time when we talk in person; I have to be extremely deliberate to not give off that impression.
There are times when I prefer text communication. But text
communication also has a problem of potentially being misread or misinterpreted. With only text communication, you lack the tone of
voice and body language that goes along with it which can give some context to what they're saying. Sometimes, a text can be misinterpreted if you don't know if they were being serious or not, or if they took a long time to respond, etc..
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If you want something sad, consider that if you try to get a date with
a gal IRL you are very likely to be told that if you want to date you should register with a dating app and stop trying in meatspace.
Greenlfc wrote to Nightfox <=-
For what it's worth, not being the person you're conversing with, I
feel exactly the same. I'm in my 40s and have *particularly* hated
voice calls since my days of working on a help desk, but I never liked them before that. Text communication allows one to be more thoughtful
and frankly avoids the pitfalls of misread or mispresented body language/facial expressions. For example, people tend to think I'm
pissed off most of the time when we talk in person; I have to be
extremely deliberate to not give off that impression.
Re: Re: Less-common phone brands
By: Greenlfc to Nightfox on Thu Oct 21 2021 07:09 am
context to what they're saying. Sometimes, a text can be misinterpreted if you don't know if they were being serious or not, or if they took a long time to respond, etc..
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If you want something sad, consider that if you try to get a date with a gal IRL you are very likely to be told that if you want to date you should register with
dating app and stop trying in meatspace.
I'm a cranky old guy, and married. I couldn't fathom dating nowadays. The moment my date starte
browsing social media while we were out, I'd pay for the drinks and walk away.
I used to paint social media addiction with the "oh, those kids" brush, but recently I've been
in public and heard couples my age, in a beautiful seaside resort town we were visiting, talkin
non-stop about Instagram. One had just discovered the hashtag.
Funny, on a weekend at a getaway, the only thing I use my phone for is to take pictures.
... Try faking it
I used to paint social media addiction with the "oh, those kids" brush, but recently I've been out in public and heard couples my age, in a beautiful seaside resort town we were visiting, talking non-stop about Instagram. One had just discovered the hashtag.
Funny, on a weekend at a getaway, the only thing I use my phone for is
to take pictures.
content curated in such a fashion as to dissuade them from ever
putting it down or looking away.. its a sad old state of affairs
really.
I have a rule that when out with friends or on a date, that the phone stayed in your pocket unless
showing pictures or taking pictures. If the phone is out, then it's on
the table face down.
I'm a cranky old guy, and married. I couldn't fathom dating nowadays. The moment my date started browsing social media while we were out, I'd pay
for the drinks and walk away.
I have a rule that when out with friends or on a date, that the phone
stayed in your pocket unless
showing pictures or taking pictures. If the phone is out, then it's on the table face down.
Weatherman wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
wants to hear about their personal crap. Save the conversation until
when you see them in person - or have the call in private. Not while walking around the store.
If you want something sad, consider that if you try to get a date with a gal IRL you are very likely to
be told that if you want to date you should register with a dating app
and stop trying in meatspace.
In any case, romanticism has been lost and comittment has been lost. Nobody even cares for long
term relationships anymore unless one of the members is trying to leech the blood dry from the
other. Dating being sent down the drain is not a big loss in comparison.
I have a rule that when out with friends or on a date, that the
phone stayes in your pocket unless showing pictures or taking
pictures. If the phone is out, then it's on the table face down.
It's a good rule and probably one most don't even think to adopt.
I have a rule that when out with friends or on a date, that the
phone stayes in your pocket unless showing pictures or taking
pictures. If the phone is out, then it's on the table face down.
Very good rule.
It's a good rule and probably one most don't even think to adopt.Yes, your out to enjoy yourself, not to browse the internet for silly sh*t! ^-)
If you want something sad, consider that if you try to get a date with gal IRL you are very likely to
be told that if you want to date you should register with a dating app and stop trying in meatspace.
...why is that sad?
You're talking about basically strangers, right? Not just, oh, coworkers or someone more known?
Thepersonal touch gets lost, and it is replaced by platforms that are
very much like jobseeking websites. It is trash because you end up with tonnes of people uploading fake information, at which point your chances of scoring a date are not dependent on your personality or uniqueness,
It's a good rule and probably one most don't even think toadopt. Yes, your out to enjoy yourself, not to browse the
internet for silly sh*t! ^-)
Yeah I'm a saint I've never looked at cat memes :) Never... well... :)
[...]and stop trying in meatspace.
...why is that sad?
You're talking about basically strangers, right? Not just, oh,
coworkers or someone more known?
Thepersonal touch gets lost, and it is replaced by platforms that are
very much like jobseeking websites. It is trash because you end up
I am not against matchmaking sites, but the game in those places is completely different.
I could post something to respond to that, but this is a txt based
system. &-)
I could post something to respond to that, but this is a txt based system. &-)
( i can haz cheezburger? )
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I could post something to respond to that, but this is a txt
based system. &-)
( i can haz cheezburger? )
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Weatherman wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Not only is it annoying when people are walking around like zombies messing with their phones, but the people that have those ear buds in
and continue to non-stop talk to themselves while in stores. No one
wants to hear about their personal crap. Save the conversation until
when you see them in person - or have the call in private. Not while walking around the store.
I love when they get in the taxi talking on the phone so I tune them out. Then they ask me something and I don't hear them and they yell at me. It's my favorite.
I was shopping this weekend for my wife's birthday present and saw a refreshing sight - a woman took a call and told the person to hold on a second, while she walked briskly outside to continue the conversation.
I was shopping this weekend for my wife's birthday present and saw a refreshing sight - a woman took a call and told the person to hold on a second, while she walked briskly outside to continue the conversation.
Great etiquette! Hopefully will start a trend.
I love when they get in the taxi talking on the phone so I tune them
out. Then they ask me something and I don't hear them and they yell
at me. It's my favorite.
It is an unfortunate side effect of the mobile phone. Being too accessible and people not knowing proper ediquette for using the technology.
It is an unfortunate side effect of the mobile phone. Being too accessible and people not knowing proper ediquette for using the technology.
Before cell phones, we had answering machines connected to our phone
line at home which would let people leave messages when we weren't home.
I never really worried about that, except maybe when I got home and saw that I missed a call.
Re: Re: Less-common phone brands
By: Weatherman to Tiny on Wed Oct 27 2021 06:37 pm
I love when they get in the taxi talking on the phone so I tune them
out. Then they ask me something and I don't hear them and they yell
at me. It's my favorite.
It is an unfortunate side effect of the mobile phone. Being too accessi and people not knowing proper ediquette for using the technology.
Most of the time, I tend to do the opposite. I find it hard to answer the phone when I'm interacting with someone in person. But then I worry about t fact that I'm not responding to the person who called in a timely manner (assuming it wasn't a spam call or anything). I guess that stress is anothe side effect of being too accessible.
Before cell phones, we had answering machines connected to our phone line at home which would let people leave messages when we weren't home. I never really worried about that, except maybe when I got home and saw that I misse call.
Nightfox
When I was a college student in the 90s I rented a house with a bunch of friends and our answering machine said, "Hi. We never answer the phone. The only possible way to get in contact with us is to leave a message."
We were militant about this.
It is amazing how this reduced phone calls to the bare essentials. When someone *really* needed to talk to us, they'd leave a message and we'd often call them back immediately.
It is remarkable how many people just hang up.
She said to me, wow dad, I see now... almost every family is either
playing with their phone, or the moms and dads put a tablet infront of the youngest kid to get him to shut up. Everyone is just not enjoying the time for what it
is.
Most of the time, I tend to do the opposite. I find it hard to answer the phone when I'm interacting with someone in person. But then I worry about the fact that I'm not responding to the person who called in a timely
manner (assuming it wasn't a spam call or anything). I guess that stress
is another side effect of being too accessible.
Answering the phone for me is the lowest thing on my priority list if I'm in the middle of doing something, or talking to someone in person. It doesn't stress me at all. I get back in touch with the caller when I can.
I have a different take on this. The rise of the face-buried-in-phone spectacle has actually liberated me from having to make small talk. I love that I can sit somewhere and a bunch of strangers have no desire to speak
to me because they are on their phones. I *love it.*
One bad thing about cell phones is some people think you're ignoring them
if you don't answer them right away.
Re: Re: Less-common phone brands
By: Weatherman to Nightfox on Thu Oct 28 2021 06:08 pm
Answering the phone for me is the lowest thing on my priority list if I in the middle of doing something, or talking to someone in person. It doesn't stress me at all. I get back in touch with the caller when I ca
Often that's how I feel too. The thing is it feels like cell phones were invented so that we'd be able to answer phone calls any time. If a family member calls, sometimes I wonder if it could be an emergency and wonder if I should answer it.
One bad thing about cell phones is some people think you're ignoring them if you don't answer them right away.
Nightfox
She said to me, wow dad, I see now... almost every family is either playing with their phone, or the moms and dads put a tablet infront of
the youngest kid to get him to shut up. Everyone is just not enjoying
the time for what it is.
But my outrage circuit is busted.
Weatherman wrote to Tiny <=-
It is an unfortunate side effect of the mobile phone. Being too accessible and people not knowing proper ediquette for using the technology.
Variants include:
"Your mother freaks out because you didn't pick the phone during a meeting, which obviously means you have died in a car crash."
Variants include:
"Your mother freaks out because you didn't pick the phone during a meeting, which obviously means you have died in a car crash."
I think there's a case be made for trading that mother in on a new one :P
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