apam wrote to All <=-
So I discovered today my PC does support windows 11! I had just
disabled the TPM 2.0 in the bios (I didn't even know it was there)
Has anyone else got it installed? (It comes out on the 5th but
available on the insider channel) What did you think?
So I discovered today my PC does support windows 11! I had just disabled the TPM 2.0 in the bios (I didn't even know it was there)
I checked the bios on this laptop and it doesn't support TPM. The
desktop
computer at home is even older and currently beeping and not booting.
LOL
My project for the first weekend without the woods is to attempt to
fix that
desktop.
Let us know what you think?
Although from what I've read/seen, Windows 11 is more about the UI
than anything else... but perhaps I missed something. :)
Hey
So I discovered today my PC does support windows 11! I had just disabled the TPM 2.0 in the bios (I didn't even know it was there)
Has anyone else got it installed? (It comes out on the 5th but available on the insider channel) What did you think?
apam wrote to Tiny <=-
Seems like the requirements are a bit high, perhaps that's to make
people buy a new computer, and therefore a new windows license.
I'm pretty lucky, I built this computer in 2019 (I think) for playing games and had no idea about windows 11 requirements at the time. It's
the only computer in our house that will run it, and I've got quiet a
few computers lol.
It's ok, I think I prefer it over windows 10.. but all the rounded corners.. and the new skin for controls... i'm not sure about.
Everything seems to run on it fine, magiterm runs fine, gophari works, haven't tried talisman yet but i assume it will.
I do prefer opensuse / KDE, but I will stick with this win 11 for now.
The main advantage being more games run :)
Oh, the first thing I did was move the buttons on the task bar to the left. I don't know what designer thought putting them in the middle was
a good idea......
Has anyone else got it installed? (It comes out on the 5th but available on the insider channel) What did you think?
So I discovered today my PC does support windows 11! I had just disabled the TPM 2.0 in the bios (I didn't even know it was there)
So I installed windows 10 over my opensuse setup and am now upgrading it to windows 11 :O
Has anyone else got it installed? (It comes out on the 5th but available on the insider channel) What did you think?
Although from what I've read/seen, Windows 11 is more about the UI than anything else... but perhaps I missed something. :)
Seems like the requirements are a bit high, perhaps that's to make people buy a new computer, and therefore a new windows license.
I'm pretty lucky, I built this computer in 2019 (I think) for playing games and had no idea about windows 11 requirements at the time. It's the
Oh, the first thing I did was move the buttons on the task bar to the left. I don't know what designer thought putting them in the middle was a good idea......
I've read one new feature it will have (though not enabled for a little while) is it will be able to seamlessly run Android apps.
I heard Windows 11 will be a free upgrade for those currently running Windows 10
(probably those who bought Win10 or had Win10 come with their PC). If Microsoft
really wanted to maximize their revenue, I think they'd charge everyone for a copy
Windows 11.
I don't think you can sell foundational software to domestic end users anymore. People may pay for games (during discount sales) or DLCs (becuase of addiction issues) but I know of nobody who would purchase an Operating System license for home. They'd rather force their kids to fetch it from a warez site and pirate the hell out of it.
Microsoft wants to base its power on the fact it is everywhere, and for it they need to be make it easy for everybody to place Microsoft products on their computers. That means making it cheap or free-as-in-beer. If they outpriced a significant part of the population then people would pirate Windows copies away or jump over to a competitor, at which point Microsoft would cease to be a domestic user monopoly (you can argue it no longer is) which is much, much worse in the long run than failing to squeeze a hundred dollar per user.
Oh, the first thing I did was move the buttons on the task bar to the left. I don't know what designer thought putting them in the middle was a good idea......
It seems to me that even with the competition in operating systems (and IMO there actually isn't much), Microsoft still manages to retain a fairly large user base. It isn't so easy for many users to switch to another OS, and som of the different operating systems don't exactly compare.
Wasn't that an Apple feature first? Just as well, I think there's a
few popular docker applications for linux that does the same,
Enlightenment comes to mind for example (been a long while since I
tried that, though).
It seems to me that even with the competition in operating systems
(and IMO there actually isn't much), Microsoft still manages to
retain a fairly large user base. It isn't so easy for many users to
switch to another OS, and som of the different operating systems
don't exactly compare.
I'm not sure if you and I yacked about this before, but to add some two-cents, it seems that Microsoft really isn't in the business of making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money is Office 365, Azure and business/enterprise licensing, server OS's, Exchange etc.
It seems some people don't have a desktop or laptop PC anymore, and I've hea a lot of people are just using their smartphone or a tablet these days. If that's true, I suppose it makes sense that Microsoft is making more money fr Office, Azure, server OSes, etc..
It seems some people don't have a desktop or laptop PC
anymore, and I've hea a lot of people are just using their
smartphone or a tablet these days. [...]
If it wasn't for some Windows apps I use as part of my
job... I'd be one of them. Switch everything to a tablet
with a decent BT keyboard/mouse.
It seems some people don't have a desktop or laptop PC anymore, and
If it wasn't for some Windows apps I use as part of my job... I'd be one of them. Switch everything to a tablet with a decent BT keyboard/mouse.
Wouldn't you miss having a decent 21" screen? I do see some
gear promoted as "large screen" tablets 20" and bigger, but
then they are more like all-in-ones, and not intended to be as
portable as a typical tablet.
I can see large-screen tablets being a fine solution in
households that want less wiring and less clutter.
making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money is Office 365, Azure and business/enterprise licensing, server
OS's, Exchange etc.
I've heard Windows is less of their business now, but they do still
charge for a copy of Windows.
It seems some people don't have a desktop or laptop PC anymore, and I've heard a lot of people are just using their smartphone or a tablet these days. If that's true, I suppose it makes sense that Microsoft is making more money from Office, Azure, server OSes, etc..
making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money is Office 365, Azure and business/enterprise licensing, server OS's, Exchange etc.
right - Windows Server Datacenter (Lights out edition) cost something like $8000 a license - the linux equivalent is pretty much free :-p
Right, that is the problem i face at work doing password resets. no one that calls in, even knows what a web browser is anymore. they thing the "internet" is the facebook, instagram, youtube, or google apps. they dont even know most of the time what "firefox", "chrome", or "EDGE" is... it can be frustrating when trying to get them to troubleshoot. its because most people no longer buy box computers. they buy tablets and cellphones.
If it wasn't for some Windows apps I use as part of my
job... I'd be one of them. Switch everything to a tablet
with a decent BT keyboard/mouse.
Wouldn't you miss having a decent 21" screen? I do see some
gear promoted as "large screen" tablets 20" and bigger, but
then they are more like all-in-ones, and not intended to be as
portable as a typical tablet.
Microsoft wants to base its power on the fact it is everywhere, and for it the
need to be make it easy for everybody to place Microsoft products on their
computers. That means making it cheap or free-as-in-beer. If they outpriced a
significant part of the population then people would pirate Windows copies awa
or jump over to a competitor, at which point Microsoft would cease to be a
domestic user monopoly (you can argue it no longer is) which is much, much wor
in the long run than failing to squeeze a hundred dollar per user.
It seems to me that even with the competition in operating systems (and IMO there
actually isn't much), Microsoft still manages to retain a fairly large user base.
isn't so easy for many users to switch to another OS, and some of the different
operating systems don't exactly compare.
On 05 Oct 21 08:53:51, Nightfox said the following to Arelor:
It seems to me that even with the competition in operating systems (and IMO ther
actually isn't much), Microsoft still manages to retain a fairly large user base
It isn't so easy for many users to switch to another OS, and som of the differen
operating systems don't exactly compare.
I'm not sure if you and I yacked about this before, but to add some two-cents, it
seems that Microsoft really isn't in the business of making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money is Office 365, Azure and
business/enterprise licensing, server OS's, Exchange etc.
Atreyu
making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money i
Office 365, Azure and business/enterprise licensing, server
OS's, Exchange etc.
right - Windows Server Datacenter (Lights out edition) cost something like $8000 a
license - the linux equivalent is pretty much free :-p
Thanks
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Re: re:Windows 11
By: gcubebuddy to Nightfox on Wed Oct 06 2021 08:49 am
Right, that is the problem i face at work doing password resets. no one that
calls in, even knows what a web browser is anymore. they thing the "internet"
the facebook, instagram, youtube, or google apps. they dont even know most of
time what "firefox", "chrome", or "EDGE" is... it can be frustrating when tryi
to get them to troubleshoot. its because most people no longer buy box compute
they buy tablets and cellphones.
I have a hard time believing that.. Web browsers exist for cell phones & tablets t
My Google Pixel 5 phone came with Google's Chrome web browser. Samsung phones come
with Samsung's web browser (though it is weirdly titled "Internet"). There's a
Firefox and Edge for Android as well (as well as Opera and probably others). I
believe iPhones come with Apple's mobile web browser. So I have a hard time believ
people wouldn't have opened the web browser on their mobile device, or at least tap
on a web link and seen it open in their web browser app.
And technically, apps like Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, etc. do use the internet.
The internet isn't just the web..
Nightfox
I don't personally know anybody who thinks that paying for a Windows license is anywhere near to doing the right thing, and even if it was the right thing, we Spaniards are assholes who don' care for the right things and just wanna our stuff for free.
150 bucks is more than I have paid for each of the workstations I have running at $job. Last batch of units I got for about 70 bucks per unit. If I had to place Windows on them the OS license would be more expensive than the hardware. Sure, if you are building Gamer Beasts of Death then the cost of the license is going to be negligible, but if you are building a workstation for printing and sending reports via email then the cost of MS software is going to be very very bad.
I am with gcubebuddy here, though. A lot of people don't know how their web browser is called or what a web browser even is. They may use it but not know what it is.
I currently use Windows 10 on my main desktop. Since the final version doesn't officially come out until the 5th, I figured I'll wait until
then to install it. I'd not bother with a pre-release at this point, though I suppose the final release is currently what's available in the Insider program?
Some of the new features in Windows 11 sound interesting, such as its ability to run Android apps (and Android apps supposedly being available in the Windows Store). I heard its support for Android apps won't be enabled for a little while though.
I have not read too much about it yet, but it feels like some visual enhancements coupled with an Android apps store (which will come later) is the main benefit? I guess security stuff too.
I read the other day that Windows 11 is supposed to be tuned more for speed too.
I read the other day that Windows 11 is supposed to be tuned more for speed too.
Re: Windows 11
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Oct 06 2021 03:23 pm
I don't personally know anybody who thinks that paying for a Windows license is anywhere near to doing the right thing, and even if it was the right thing, we Spaniards are assholes who
don' care for the right things and just wanna our stuff for free.
That seems a little weird.. I mean, you pay for the hardware components for a PC, right? Or do you steal the PC hardware so you can have a PC for free?
150 bucks is more than I have paid for each of the workstations I have running at $job. Last batch of units I got for about 70 bucks per unit. If I had to place Windows on them the OS
license would be more expensive than the hardware. Sure, if you are building Gamer Beasts of Death then the cost of the license is going to be negligible, but if you are building a
workstation for printing and sending reports via email then the cost of MS software is going to be very very bad.
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece that you have to budget in.
You can always install a Linux distro for free if you want to..
Nightfox
150 bucks is more than I have paid for each of the workstations I have running at $job. Last batch of units I got for about 70 bucks per unit. If I had to place Windows on them the OS
license would be more expensive than the hardware. Sure, if you are building Gamer Beasts of Death then the cost of the license is going to be negligible, but if you are building a
workstation for printing and sending reports via email then the cost of MS software is going to be very very bad.
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece that you have to budget in.
So I have a hard time believing people wouldn't have opened the web browser on their mobile device, or at least tapped on a web link and
seen it open in their
web browser app.
just dont care about "computer stuff". i have come to find that our
group is
the top 1% of the world population that knows about computers.
So I have a hard time believing people wouldn't have opened the web browser on their mobile device, or at least tapped on a web link and
seen it open in their
web browser app.
i take 50 calls a day, from people like that, who i have to do password resets for. that is exactly what they tell me. they don't know either what a browser is, or what browser they are using. they might call it "google".
before working this position, doing password resets for the state, i would have thought the same thing. but this job has shown me otherwise. most people just dont care about "computer stuff". i have come to find that our group is the top 1% of the world population
that knows about computers.
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Which is why when somebody reports an issue with some web application,
and you ask
them which web browser they are using they send you a black, dull stare and start
drooling as smoke starts coming out of their ears.
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece that you
have to budget in.
You would only get calls from people who need help though, right? Is 50 calls a day a lot compared to the number of people in your organization?
Sorry, if your job is "doctoring" you need to know how to use your
tools. The computer is a tool just as the car. Blaming IT techs because you don't know what a web browser is is like blaming a
car mechanic because you don't know what a steering wheel is. Imagine if you were a car mechanic and some customer of you got angry at you
because you asked him something about the brakes.
"I don't need to know what brakes are. We are not gearheads like you autistic social freaks. Knowing that stuff is your job not mine."
I read the other day that Windows 11 is supposed to be tuned more for
speed too.
Hasn't every Windows version ever been the 'fastest Windows of all
time'? :)
Before Android hit in, Microsoft products were a requerinment to deal with the public administration. Some people was sore that you had to purchase a Windows license/upgrade for filling your tax forms for no good reason. Think of it. You are a happy redneck herding sheep and one day you need to do your taxing, and they tell you you have to upgrade to a new Windows version because you need to pay your abusive taxes, and your current Windows version cannot run the approved tools for filling in. Are you going to buy moar software with a happy smile on your face, very happy
Last time I purchased an off-the-shelf computer, most machines there in the shop were in the 200-500 EUR range. 150 bucks is not a trivial percentage of those ammounts. A lot of people has beasty rigs and may use machines up to 1200 bucks easily but there is a whole lot of people using inexpensive equipment.
If you go to the second hand market (which in theory is the one targetted by Windows licenses, since new computers come with OEM licenses) it gets worse because there desktop ready computers start at 60 bucks.
So I have a hard time believing people wouldn't have opened the web
browser on their mobile device, or at least tapped on a web link and
seen it open in their
web browser app.
i take 50 calls a day, from people like that, who i have to do password resets for. that is exactly what they tell me. they don't know either what a browser is, or what browser they are using. they might call it "google". before working this position, doing password resets for the state, i would have thought the same thing. but this job has shown me otherwise. most people just dont care about "computer stuff". i have come to find that our group is the top 1% of the world population that knows about computers.
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a
PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece
that you have to budget in.
and thats why i use slackware linux.
Maybe it's because taxes in the US can be a bit complicated, but I've always used tax software to help
my taxes. Every year I buy the latest TaxCut software (usually about $40) to do taxes on my PC.. I
don't necessarily like spending money on things like that, but I haven't had much of a problem with it
Though, what I think is frustrating is that while we can file our tax return electronically (and not h
to mail anything in), that's free to do for federal taxes, but there's a fee to file state taxes
electronically.
Nightfox
Re: Windows 11
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Oct 07 2021 06:48 am
Last time I purchased an off-the-shelf computer, most machines there in the shop were in the 200-
EUR range. 150 bucks is not a trivial percentage of those ammounts. A lot of people has beasty ri
and may use machines up to 1200 bucks easily but there is a whole lot of people using inexpensive
equipment.
Pre-made off-the-shelf computers usually come with Windows (even inexpensive ones), so that's somethin
you wouldn't have to worry about.
If you go to the second hand market (which in theory is the one targetted by Windows licenses, si
new computers come with OEM licenses) it gets worse because there desktop ready computers start a
60 bucks.
It probably depends. Many second-hand computers probably came with Windows originally, and many peopl
(at least here) leave that copy of Windows on it, so it would have a legit copy of Windows. Most new
that include Windows these days don't come with Windows install disks anymore, so it would be hard to
re-install that copy of Windows on another PC.
Nightfox
Yep, Linux is an option. Slackware didn't seem like the easiest Linux distro to manage though, but it's been many years since I usedSuppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build aand thats why i use slackware linux.
PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece
that you have to budget in.
Slackware..
Re: re: Windows 11
By: gcubebuddy to Nightfox on Thu Oct 07 2021 08:02 am
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a
PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece
that you have to budget in.
and thats why i use slackware linux.
Yep, Linux is an option. Slackware didn't seem like the easiest Linux distro to manage though, but it
been many years since I used Slackware..
Nightfox
Yep, Linux is an option. Slackware didn't seem like the easiest Linux distro to manage though, bSuppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build aand thats why i use slackware linux.
PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece
that you have to budget in.
it's been many years since I used
Slackware..
Debian user here. For advanced users bur provides everything very nicely. Some would say Ubuntu is more friendly.
Best regards
Pretty much the only people I think off that needs to license Windows versions directly from Microsoft would be people building their own rigs (scarce, and around here, pirating the hell out of it) and people
upgrading from a "Starter" Windows to a "Business Version of Death with Service Pack 99949" Windows. The latter I can picture paying but I know of many people who needs a Business of Death version at home.
What is "Business Version of Death"?
Dunno. When I was getting started in Linux, Ubuntu is the first distribution I tried and it was not very
friendly. It was too buggy back then. You'd read some piece of docummentation, and try to apply it, and
it would fail or work as not expected.
Debian didn't try to be an UX orgy of user friendlyness, but if you
tried to follow certain guide and do
somethig which wasn't a Debian default, Debian was much more likely to work fine.
It still caused me dataloss worth 4k files due to a known bug they hadn't bothered to fix despite there
was a known fix and they knew it :-(
It still caused me dataloss worth 4k files due to a known bug they hadn't bothered to fix
despite there
was a known fix and they knew it :-(
Well.. don't know what the reason was. My solution to all the data-losess that happened to me during the time is using rsync to several machines and different discs. Last
years or so I don't remember Linux to reboot accidentally for me or having just any problem. But
that could be really from the limited usage to the terminal. I don't really install many softwar
and like to keep my computer minimalistic in terms of mess on it.
The second hand dealers I source from usually deliver you the
computers with zeroed drives. You get the Windows activation number in
a sticker with some of them but then you need a Windows disk to
install. Legally you purchase the license rights from the first owner
If I had to install a Licensed Windows on any of my
computers I bet Windows would be the most expensive single
piece of expense. More than the hard drives, or
motherboard. Not "just another piece to budget for" but the
biggest expense.
Some HP and DELL notebooks being bricked by the upgrade
until the BIOS is flashed.
https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-upgrade-bricked-pc/
Android and iOS have become the Windows killers. They are eating Microsoft's market share alive.
I don't personally know anybody who thinks that paying for a Windows license is anywhere near to doing the right thing, and even if it was
That seems a little weird.. I mean, you pay for the hardware components for a PC, right? Or do you steal the PC hardware so you can have a PC for free?
Hmm... I'm Linux user since cca 1994. Back in that times there were two Floppies. One contained Boot Loader and the Second Root File System. Since
That seems a little weird.. I mean, you pay for the hardware
components for a PC, right? Or do you steal the PC hardware so you
can have a PC for free?
Far better to visit the long shop :) I get all my best gear off the side of the road. I think aside from the odd video card, I don't think I've bought anything new since.... a BX age chipset motherboard with a celeron 400 to go with it. :)
What is the long shop? I looked it up online, and the results I got
point to the Long Shop Museum, an industrial museum in London..?
I have not had any bad issues since I switched my personal computers to Slackware around version
13. I have had bad breakage in testing machines for playing with kernel knobs but, other than that,
Slackware never lets me down.
The only problems Slackware has as of today are more social than technological. The first one is
that the develpment cycle is random and unpredictable so you can't
really plan for upgrades.
* Every system I could place BSD on had one from the begining :-)
Some HP and DELL notebooks being bricked by the upgradeThat is seriously crazy!
until the BIOS is flashed.
And it is happening on "Windows 11 compatible" devices and
"Upon trying to get the new operating system on their laptops,
they were in for a big surprise, the surprise being they have
to buy another laptop."
Hmm... I'm Linux user since cca 1994. Back in that times there were t Floppies. One contained Boot Loader and the Second Root File System.Ahh those were the days... I might've been to the party slightly
earlier? I'm unsure what the first version I came across was now, but it was on floppies, with extras to support dialup networking etc... But it would've been about the same time Slak 1.0 was out..
Far better to visit the long shop :) I get all my best gear off the side of the road. I think aside from the odd video card, I don't think
What is the long shop? I looked it up online, and the results I got
point to the Long Shop Museum, an industrial museum in London..?
I have an eMachines (w/64bit CPU instructions set capable) that
originally came with XP. I played with several Live-CD linux
distros on it - to find the right match. The 64bit OSes worked
rather well. But the mobo was limited to 4GB max. So, I decided
to just put Win7Pro on it with a download from one of the
places like the above link. A full Win7Pro/32 cost me just $35.
I guess all the famous Mac OS computers and iPhones are just BSD with proprietary G
;-]
Best regards
Some HP and DELL notebooks being bricked by the upgradeThat is seriously crazy!
until the BIOS is flashed.
And it is happening on "Windows 11 compatible" devices and
"Upon trying to get the new operating system on their laptops,
they were in for a big surprise, the surprise being they have
to buy another laptop."
From what I observe I'd guess the real ASM and C specialist are no longer available
the Market. There are many scripting and object orientated experts. But the hard co
programmers are short in supply. This is the outcome.
Best regards
Those who aren't tech savvy enough to know what a web browser is are the ones who would need to call a tech support line.
It's weird.. Computer technology has become increasingly relevant in
many parts of our lives, so I'd think more people would be tech-savvy these days.
session managers requiring integration with a seat manager). Slackware used to fight very hard to remain
sane with this sort of thing but as of version 15 RC you can see they
are surrendering.
So you tested some Live CD Linuxes, and the 64 bit ones
worked well, but you installed Windows 7 Pro because your
motherboard is only 4 GB capable?
That is seriously crazy!
And it is happening on "Windows 11 compatible" devices and
"Upon trying to get the new operating system on their laptops,
they were in for a big surprise, the surprise being they have
to buy another laptop."
Ahh those were the days... I might've been to the party slightly
earlier? I'm unsure what the first version I came across was now, but it was on floppies, with extras to support dialup networking etc... But it would've been about the same time Slak 1.0 was out..
Your own kernel. Recently it doesn't make some much sense. But if You compiled it with the co-processor support You could find Your kernel running faster. Satisfactory.
What is the long shop? I looked it up online, and the results I got
point to the Long Shop Museum, an industrial museum in London..?
The road.
Farmers here (at least the ones i know) refer to the road as "The Long Paddock" so, I assume the long shop is a play on that.
I suppose though, in farming the road is generally long (with quite a bit of feed on either side), so it could be a bit confusing when you apply it to a city situations where roads are shorter and people dump stuff out
the front of their homes with a "free" sign on it.
What is the long shop? I looked it up online, and the results I got
point to the Long Shop Museum, an industrial museum in London..?
Well the second sentence said it all.. the long shop is the nature strip, tree lawn, planting strip take your pick...not always but usually during
hard rubbish collection. A nominally yearly event where you can get rid of a couple of cubic metres of rubbish that won't fit in your bin. Like old washing machines, stove, heaters, air cons, pooters, electrical rubbish, green rubbish also. Long shop shares and maybe derives its name from the long paddock, which is when as a farmer you're running out of feed, or you want to cut the height down in the grass, and you let the animals graze the reservations down each side of the road.
It's weird.. Computer technology has become increasingly relevant
in many parts of our lives, so I'd think more people would be
tech-savvy these days.
Right, thats what i originally thought too. Working in this job though, i meet alot of people, who do not have computers as a primary focus. I thought that after the last 20+ years of having the internet, everyone would know how to use computers. at least on a small level. I know that i should be more compassionate but having to deal with 50+ calls like that everyday can be exausting. In some cases their web browser is so borked from caching old passwords, that i have no choice but to remote into their computer with bomgar to clean up the mess. thats IF i can get them to the correct website to remote in with. (sometimes the type the web address in
session managers requiring integration with a seat manager). Slackware used to fight ve
hard to remain
sane with this sort of thing but as of version 15 RC you can see they are surrendering.
Out of curiosity what features is slackware surrendering in to? Are they starting to bring i
systemD? So far slackware 15 seems to be pretty stable.
I am still waiting for the full stable version to come out. If it ever comes to a point where slackware is no longer a good distro, or it closes down, i think i would
switch to something like FreeBSD. I haven't tested OpenBSD yet.
I am kind of curious about it.
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They use some BSD components but as far as I know Mac OS isn't anywhere near a BSD
version.
[1] Not many of the distros handled the NVIDIA video very well.
Firms that need low level programers are having to train them themselves these days.
Everybody comes out of college with some Java and PHP training, but they have trouble
building an useful C or C++ program that is both useful and compiles :-)
A web site to clean that up? Wouldn't you normally clean up browser
cache & things by pressing ctrl-shift-delete? Usually with that, a web browser shows a dialog where you can choose what to clean up, such as
its cache, search history, passwords, etc..
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Nightfox
A web site to clean that up? Wouldn't you normally clean up browser
cache & things by pressing ctrl-shift-delete? Usually with that, a
ya once again, that is over estimating what most people know how to do. or atleast the ones i talk to everyday. they dont know - or even want to know
Let's talk about the dark side of pandemic IT - solving remote issues
for users and local issues for family. I've probably had to stop some work- related issue to resolve a home IT issue by telling my wife to
turn it off and turn it back on at least 2 dozen times since March of 2020.
Add to that Comcast cable and their outage window (which appears to be
10- 11am, every single jucking day) and 2 kids zooming into class, and
you have an IT hellscape.
One kid keeps trying to get around Google's family link restrictions, at least I'm still a couple of steps ahead of her. She's 11. :)
What do you guys think about the Rust language? i have seen some articles that says google is starting to use Rust over C/++ now due to its inherant ability to not have memory leaks.... any thoughts?
Atreyu wrote to Nightfox <=-
I'm not sure if you and I yacked about this before, but to add some two-cents, it seems that Microsoft really isn't in the business of
making money off that customer-grade OS anymore. Where they make their money is Office 365, Azure and business/enterprise licensing, server
OS's, Exchange etc.
gcubebuddy wrote to Nightfox <=-
i take 50 calls a day, from people like that, who i have to do password resets for.
gcubebuddy wrote to Arelor <=-
when i read that i started to laugh my head off, that perfectly
discribes the 50 to 70 calls a day that i take at my job lol. you
totally described my job lol.
gcubebuddy wrote to Nightfox <=-
Suppose it will cost about $1000, maybe even $600 or so to build a PC - what's $150 compared to that? It's basically another piece that you
have to budget in.
and thats why i use slackware linux.
gcubebuddy wrote to Arelor <=-
well said my friend! that hits the nail on the head. i had never
thought about it that way, but you are totaly right. every day after i
get of the phone, mentaly exaused as i am having to "fix" everyones issues, and problem solve for them. then they get pissed becasue i
expect at least a little bit of common computer sense from them which should be expected
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
It probably depends. Many second-hand computers probably came with Windows originally, and many people (at least here) leave that copy of Windows on it, so it would have a legit copy of Windows. Most new PCs that include Windows these days don't come with Windows install disks anymore, so it would be hard to re-install that copy of Windows on
another PC.
Nightfox wrote to gcubebuddy <=-
It's weird.. Computer technology has become increasingly relevant in
many parts of our lives, so I'd think more people would be tech-savvy these days.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nowadays I just have my advisors do the tax paperwork :-) But fact
remains the government requires you to do certain things
electronically, and has for years, even before COVID-19.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
OEM PCs come with Windows so people does not go the pirate route, obviously, but still it comes to show the price of a retail License for Windows is not trivial when compared to the price of the computer.
The second hand dealers I source from usually deliver you the computers with zeroed drives. You get the Windows activation number in a sticker with some of them but then you need a Windows disk to install. Legally
you purchase the license rights from the first owner when you buy the computer so you get to use Windows for free.
OEMs don't really count because you are not really buying Windows. You
are buying a licensed computer.
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
It seems weird to me that building your own PC would be rare, but I
guess I'm in the minority with that.
shinobi wrote to Spectre <=-
I rembember compiling own kernel for the support of the graphic and
sound cards. Exciting time. It brings some experience and knowledge to compile Your own kernel.
Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-
Well the second sentence said it all.. the long shop is the nature
strip, tree lawn, planting strip take your pick...not always but
usually during hard rubbish collection. A nominally yearly event where
you can get rid of a couple of cubic metres of rubbish that won't fit
in your bin.
My takeaway is that Slackware no longer minds bringing it mainstream "insane" packages if it
makes it easier for Patrick to package the distribution, and while I understand the reasons, it
is a bit of a pity.
OpenBSD and NetBSD are quite nice if they happen to work in yourInteresting. ya i downloaded the OpenBSD69 ISOs. i am testing the install
hardware. NetBSD is developped
more aggressively and usually supports "moar stuff". OpenBSD is more conservative, but they
develop a lot of in-house programs and solutions. They have their own rsync implementation,
their own smtpd, their own httpd, and their own "OpenBSD PAM". Not to mention their libc
implementation has a ton of toys to play with. There is an incoming article in Linux Magazine
about this all which will be published sometime next year, if you are interested.
When we started working remotely in 2020, people stopped getting pop-ups reminding people to change their passwords. I sent an email to all
asking people to change their password and then set a recurring reminder in their calendar. Even mentioned it in an all-hands Zoom meeting.
Unless they've fdisk'ed the drive, there's sometimes a "recovery partition" that allows you to re-install the OEM copy of Windows circa the date of manufacture. Enjoy downloading/installing a gig of patches, though.
Recurring Revenue. They had a good run with updating Office every couple of years, until people realized that office 2007 was pretty decent and did everything they needed and skipped a couple of upgrades.
It's weird.. Computer technology has become increasingly relevant
in many parts of our lives, so I'd think more people would be
tech-savvy these days.
In the workplace, I wonder if people didn't understand typewriters and instead wrote everything longhand.
It seems weird to me that building your own PC would be rare, but I
guess I'm in the minority with that.
I miss the '90s, when you had local computer stores that'd build the exact PC you wanted. Pick the exact parts you wanted, and in a day or two they'd have it built.
Firms that need low level programers are having to train them themselve these days.
Everybody comes out of college with some Java and PHP training, but the have trouble
building an useful C or C++ program that is both useful and compiles :-
What do you guys think about the Rust language? i have seen some articles that says google is starting to use Rust over C/++ now due to its inherant ability to not have memory leaks.... any thoughts?
Thanks
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Anyways, one of the activities that day was to stop by the Microsoft campus store. I picked up a license for Windows 8 for $15, a year subscription to Xbox for (I think) $25, and have used that license key for 8, 8.1 and Windows 10.
A friend of mine claimed to be single-handedly responsible for introducing Intel Etherexpress support into the kernel. I may believe him.
ya it seems like slackware has def slowed down its releases. Thats why i am keeping the BSDs as an open option... I think it is going to be a matter of time before the issue is forced with regaurd to SystemD. otherwise it will get to a point where slackware wont be able to use any of the modern packages. plus it sounds to like Patrick is slowing down, probably due to lack of a userbase to help with building the distro.
Interesting. ya i downloaded the OpenBSD69 ISOs. i am testing the install under proxmox. I will probably need to do a re-install on it, as i went with the default partitioning and will need to learn how they set it up manually. I tried NetBSD once on Proxmox, and it did not install at all. maybe it work better on physical hardware....
They are licensed and certified Unix systems though.
Maybe I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what is meant by any of those terms. :P
It sounds like you're from the UK - Maybe that's the thing, as I'm from the US and I'm not familiar with this.
[1] Not many of the distros handled the NVIDIA video very well.Nvidia is a bitch.
Your own kernel. Recently it doesn't make some much sense. But if You compiled it with the co-processor support You could find Your kernel running faster. Satisfactory.
oh man i remember those days lol.
ya once again, that is over estimating what most people know how to do. or
[1] Not many of the distros handled the NVIDIA video very well.Nvidia is a bitch.
While I'm not ready to argue the merits of video for each, there are cases where NVIDIA appears either more capable or has better drivers available tha AMD does. Notably streaming video... OBS far prefers NVIDIA for offloading video functions too..
Spec
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Yep, but the way it's done in Windows 10 just feels wrong. They still
have the clock, notifications and system tray on the right, but the start menu and icons are in the middle.
Anyway, windows 11 was nice, but I'm back on openSUSE now.
I'm still with the gut feeling that there will be a "Windows 365" subscription OS at some point, but maybe not given that Google *really* nailed it with cloud-based apps and OS.
I'm still with the gut feeling that there will be a "Windows 365" subscription OS at some point, but maybe not given that Google *really* nailed it with cloud-based apps and OS.
Exactly. I could see that attempt, along with it being a Hyper-V VDI option to run the desktop virtually in Azure.
I think if they did do Windows 365, they would likely take Server 2019 "core"
and retool the RDP client to do exactly that - connect to one RDP session
in Azure which is the user's desktop-profile.
I'm still with the gut feeling that there will be a "Windows 365" subscription OS at some point, but maybe not given that Google *really* nailedthey use the issue of macro malware to convience people to upgrade office.
it with cloud-based apps and OS.
Weatherman wrote to Atreyu <=-
I could see them trying that too, but really don't see it taking off
any more than the "Windows Phone".
I used a windows phone for a while (The nokia something or other). If it
had got the app support it really was a pretty good setup. I gave the
phone to SOL (Who breaks many) and he really liked it, when he broke it he was quite upset. He just broke my old iphone, and is now using a cheap
$100 no name android.
Weatherman wrote to Tiny <=-
My oldest daughter had a Windows phone years ago, too. Similar to the Blackberry, without the developers and application support the
platform will certainly die. Same thing happened to Novell Netware.
I give my old work phones to my son, but always ensure it is in an indestructible case first.
There are tools that automate building Slackware repositories. There are tools that allow adding and overlaying multiple external repositories. There are two high quality solutions for building SlabkBuilds automatically. None of them are official, but they have been created and battle tested.
If Patrick did as much as incorporate some of these tools in base Slackware, he could do what many small projects do: let the Inner Circle build a small, compact, manejable base, and then let community groups build repositories for specific purposes. This way you would have a
small Slackware and then an official KDE repository, an official multimedia repository, and so on.
I have heard Proxmox has trouble virtualizing OpenBSD and NetBSD. It is a pitty, because NetBSD is so portable you could install it and run it in a pregnancy test.
Oddly enough none of the OSX versions are certified POSIX compliant I believe. There is something I can't find now they are compliant with though...wsus sus, sas some fool acronym...
Not to mention if you compiled to many options in your kernel would fail
I think in the age where the pooter is an appliance... people treat it like an appliance, use it until it doesn't work then get someone to fix it. They're not interested in how or why, just make it work :P
Spec
so are NetBSD / OpenBSD the same code base? aside from what was added?
I give my old work phones to my son, but always ensure it is in an indestructible case first.Otterbox?
OpenBSD is all about feature correctness. They are doing a lot of work regarding privilege
separation, process isolation, and adding custom system calls to their libc which can be used to
isolate processes, so a rogue program does not trash the rest of the system. The downside is that
if some feature is "dirty" then they won have it in the OS and that is why you
can't use Blutooth
stuff with it.
gcubebuddy wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
lol i totes understand. i am fortunate in my are to have Fiber network. which is nice
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I do like having a Windows install disc though, in case I ever wanted
to do a clean install.
Atreyu wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I'm still with the gut feeling that there will be a "Windows 365" subscription OS at some point, but maybe not given that Google *really* nailed it with cloud-based apps and OS.
gcubebuddy wrote to Spectre <=-
I started Linux around about 1998. I was introduced to it by a friend
who worked as the linux admin at the ISP i used. I had heard about UNIX systems all my life and wanted to play on one to see what it was like.
Nightfox wrote to apam <=-
I'm not familiar with the term "paddock".
Arelor wrote to gcubebuddy <=-
I have heard Proxmox has trouble virtualizing OpenBSD and NetBSD. It is
a pitty, because NetBSD is so portable you could install it and run it
in a pregnancy test.
Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-
Ponder, alrighty then, the "nature strip" is a name for the strip of "lawn" between the road and the sidewalk.
Spectre wrote to gcubebuddy <=-
I think in the age where the pooter is an appliance... people treat it like an appliance, use it until it doesn't work then get someone to fix it. They're not interested in how or why, just make it work
Weatherman wrote to Atreyu <=-
I could see them trying that too, but really don't see it taking off
any more than the "Windows Phone".
I do like having a Windows install disc though, in case I ever
wanted to do a clean install.
I'm not sure how it works, but some Lenovo systems have a Windows key baked into the BIOS. Reinstall Windows from an install ISO and it pulls the original key out of... somewhere.
In the San Francisco bay area in the 1990s, bulky pickup days were
amazing times. They'd do a 10x10 block radius, and everyone put their bulky pickup items out. It'd be like a roaming, free flea market with huge, barely street-legal trucks driving slowly around, picking up some things, dropping others off, until the wee hours of the morning.
And here I was thinking we were speaking of female personal grooming? Where is my mind?
I started out with SCO Xenix, then SunOS, then BSD/OS, then FreeBSD - it wasn't until 2000 that Linux felt ready for production server use.
It's been some time that I feel like there's been parity between Linux
and Microsoft; I'd like to build a corporate IT system with Samba,
MySQL, Asterisk and anything else I could throw at Linux.
He can break phones through those cases. Body builder and tends to somehow always put a weight on them.
I give my old work phones to my son, but always ensure it is in an indestructible case first.Otterbox?
<searches eBay for a Zune player>
Weatherman wrote to Tiny <=-
The OtterBox cases impress me. My son has managed to break pretty much everything in his room, but not the phone in the OtterBox case.
I give that an A++++
I'm not sure how it works, but some Lenovo systems have a Windows key
baked into the BIOS. Reinstall Windows from an install ISO and it pulls PF>> the original key out of... somewhere.
I've heard about that..
It seems interesting that Windows is so dominant in the market that they'd do that with Windows keys.
gcubebuddy wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Right, ya i remeber when IRIX / Silicon Graphics was a thing. its all
been replaced by Linux.
Weatherman wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Crazy how the MP3 players were such a hot item at one time and then
just fell off a cliff faster than Blackberry lost the cell phone
business.
Weatherman wrote to Tiny <=-
The OtterBox cases impress me. My son has managed to break pretty much everything in his room, but not the phone in the OtterBox case.
They had a brief respite with the iPod classic with people who wanted to take huge MP3 collections with them. Now, I have a cheap $100 Moto
Android phone and a 512gb SD card.
They had a brief respite with the iPod classic with people who wanted to take huge MP3 collections with them. Now, I have a cheap $100 Moto Android phone and a 512gb SD card.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to gcubebuddy <=-
I managed a couple of IRIX boxes in the late 90s at a game company - I think they were Iris Indigos. I had a Sparc II at my desk and 2 Sparc
20s in the server room.
I managed a couple of IRIX boxes in the late 90s at a game company - I pF>> think they were Iris Indigos. I had a Sparc II at my desk and 2 Sparc
20s in the server room.
Was IRIX their version of UNIX?
Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Was IRIX their version of UNIX?
| Sysop: | sneaky |
|---|---|
| Location: | Ashburton,NZ |
| Users: | 31 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 56:52:20 |
| Calls: | 2,097 |
| Files: | 11,143 |
| Messages: | 950,216 |