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On 09 Sep 2021 at 01:53p, The Millionaire pondered and said...

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I saw this and felt sorry for the guy. I saw him take a tumble on stage a
year or so ago (watched it on YouTube) was amazed at how much he had
physically declined. I have to say his singing was not that good either
sadly. You know how you have the tune in your head (the radio version) and then you hear it live and the song is out of whack and the lead vocals are
off key... well that was what was (sadly) happening with Phil :(

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Avon wrote:

On 09 Sep 2021 at 01:53p, The Millionaire pondered and said...

https://people.com/music/phil-collins-cant-hold-drum-sticks-play-instrumen
lth/

I saw this and felt sorry for the guy. I saw him take a tumble on stage a year or so ago (watched it on YouTube) was amazed at how much he had physically declined. I have to say his singing was not that good either sadly. You know how you have the tune in your head (the radio version) and then you hear it live and the song is out of whack and the lead vocals are off key... well that was what was (sadly) happening with Phil :(

I went to see Phil in Houston for my birthday in 2019. It was a great show. Sure, he can't play drums any more, his voice isn't what is was and he definitely can't dance, but he can still put on a spectacular show. There was
a very moving Genesis tribute section. His son, Nik, can hold his own on the drumset and his backing singers picked up the slack.

I have no doubts that I'm going to enjoy the Genesis show. I've only seen them live twice, both in 1992 in London and in Leeds. Some people have said they won't want to ruin the memory by seeing these old guys on stage, but either way, not many bands have stayed together for so long and produced so much quality music.
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On 30 Sep 2021 at 02:39a, Nigel Reed pondered and said...

I went to see Phil in Houston for my birthday in 2019. It was a great show. Sure, he can't play drums any more, his voice isn't what is was
and he definitely can't dance, but he can still put on a spectacular
show. There was a very moving Genesis tribute section. His son, Nik, can hold his own on the drumset and his backing singers picked up the slack.

Good to hear. Yep I'm not 100% sold on the idea of seeing him live (assuming I ever could) given the voice has changed etc. I kinda like the soundtrack in my head now :)

I have no doubts that I'm going to enjoy the Genesis show. I've only
seen them live twice, both in 1992 in London and in Leeds. Some people have said they won't want to ruin the memory by seeing these old guys on stage, but either way, not many bands have stayed together for so long
and produced so much quality music.

I hope you do enjoy it :)

I saw Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles live in recent years and enjoyed both of them.

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Re: Re: Phil Collins
By: Nigel Reed to Avon on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:39 am

I went to see Phil in Houston for my birthday in 2019. It was a great show. Sure, he can't play drums any more, his voice isn't what is was and he definitely can't dance, but he can still put on a spectacular show. There was a very moving Genesis tribute section. His son, Nik, can hold his own on the drumset and his backing singers picked up the slack.

I would have liked to see Phil Collins live, but I never have. I've seen some videos of bits of some of his shows, and they looked fun.

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On 30 Sep 2021, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: Phil Collins
By: Nigel Reed to Avon on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:39 am

I went to see Phil in Houston for my birthday in 2019. It was a great show. Sure, he can't play drums any more, his voice isn't what is was he definitely can't dance, but he can still put on a spectacular show There was a very moving Genesis tribute section. His son, Nik, can ho his own on the drumset and his backing singers picked up the slack.

I would have liked to see Phil Collins live, but I never have. I've
seen some videos of bits of some of his shows, and they looked fun.

Nightfox

Same here. I was excited to see Genesis on tour.. to bad it wasn't sooner.
The tickets for the show are super expensive for one but the other day I happened to see some video of his latest shows. Seems like it's a pretty good show overall but it's just sad to see him just sitting in a chair. Maybe it's best I didn't go to the show.

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On 30 Sep 2021 at 12:43p, Nightfox pondered and said...

I would have liked to see Phil Collins live, but I never have. I've
seen some videos of bits of some of his shows, and they looked fun.

I've been listening to his music quite a bit lately and really like it. When I have heard some of his singing at more recent live concerts I felt he should have stopped. It seems like keeping the $$ coming in for him keeps him going but it seems sad as his health is not great and it really shows. I am suprised given the guy would have made a lot of $$ over the years.

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On 30 Sep 2021 at 12:43p, Nightfox pondered and said...

I've been listening to his music quite a bit lately and really like it. When I have heard some of his singing at more recent live concerts I felt he should have stopped. It seems like keeping the $$ coming in for him keeps him going but it seems sad as his health is not great and it really shows. I am suprised given the guy would have made a lot of $$ over the years.

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His old stuff was the best. His net worth is $300 million.

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should have stopped. It seems like keeping the $$ coming in for him keep going but it seems sad as his health is not great and it really shows. I
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His old stuff was the best. His net worth is $300 million.

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I'm guessing he doesn't need the money, so these concerts are for the fans. Nice that he's doing one last tour with Genesis.

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Avon wrote to Nightfox <=-

I've been listening to his music quite a bit lately and really like it. When I have heard some of his singing at more recent live concerts I
felt he should have stopped. It seems like keeping the $$ coming in for him keeps him going but it seems sad as his health is not great and it really shows. I am suprised given the guy would have made a lot of $$
over the years.

I suppose it's OK then that to me, Genesis is 2 albums - ABACAB and Duke.
:)

Ok, Maybe Three Sides Live, too.


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On 01 Oct 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Avon wrote to Nightfox <=-

I've been listening to his music quite a bit lately and really like i When I have heard some of his singing at more recent live concerts I

I suppose it's OK then that to me, Genesis is 2 albums - ABACAB and
Duke. :)

Really. You didn't like Invisible Touch? That's one of my favorites. ABACAB is great too. I think underated actually.
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On 01 Oct 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Really. You didn't like Invisible Touch? That's one of my favorites. ABACAB is great too. I think underated actually.
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I liked from Genesis:

Abacab
Genesis
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance

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Really. You didn't like Invisible Touch? That's one of my favorites.
ABACAB is great too. I think underated actually.
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I like ABACAB.


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Darkman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

I'm guessing he doesn't need the money, so these concerts are for the fans. Nice that he's doing one last tour with Genesis.

I think this is true. And while it's also true Collins's voice is fragile now, it's not anything like out-of-tune or unmusical. In fact, some of the darker songs in the set, like "Mama" and "No Son of Mine," gain a new layer of emotion. They might not be the best-ever versions of these songs, but they'll definitely be real moments of note for fans in the future.

As for the rest of the band, they're playing at an incredibly high level. Instrumental sections like "Firth of Fifth" and "Cinema Show" are possibly at faster tempos than they were being played in the mid-70s. Banks, Rutherford, and Stuermer really meld well with Nik Collins.
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On 04 Oct 2021 at 07:37p, Josh Ramsey pondered and said...

I think this is true. And while it's also true Collins's voice is
fragile now, it's not anything like out-of-tune or unmusical. In fact,

I recall going to see them not long before they stopped touring. Marie's voice was impacted by the stoke she had suffered. She sang in tune but in a lower key. It sounded so strange..

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Re: Re: Roxette
By: Avon to Josh Ramsey on Thu Oct 07 2021 11:22 am

I recall going to see them not long before they stopped touring. Marie's voice was impacted by the stoke she had suffered. She sang in tune but in a lower key. It sounded so strange..

Of course, sometimes artists realized they had to do that in their prime. Rush/Geddy Lee was already taking 2112 a step down on its first tour. ELP also did the same with part of Karn Evil 9. They started in a lower key, and then did a key change back to the original before the parts people would have known from the single edit (the "Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends" part).

A rock tour isn't the easiest thing on the voice!
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On 06 Oct 2021 at 07:11p, Josh Ramsey pondered and said...

A rock tour isn't the easiest thing on the voice!

Or the wallet :)

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Josh Ramsey wrote to Avon <=-

Of course, sometimes artists realized they had to do that in their
prime. Rush/Geddy Lee was already taking 2112 a step down on its first tour.

Hearing Geddy Lee trying to hit the highs in "Tom Sawyer" later in their career was tough to listen to - but their musicianship was always amazing
and carried me through.

I miss Neil Peart.


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Re: Re: Roxette
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Josh Ramsey on Fri Oct 08 2021 08:05 am

Hearing Geddy Lee trying to hit the highs in "Tom Sawyer" later in their career was tough to listen to - but their musicianship was always amazing and carried me through.

As far as the musicianship went, it was top-notch, if not better, than in their prime years. Neil always worked on technique, and worked with teachers even in later years. When your drummer can still carry the rhythm and power, everything else has a tendency to fall into place (not that there was ever a threat of Geddy or Alex not being able to keep up, mind you).

Having said that, Geddy really struggled towards the end. Seeing them live in arenas blunted the edges, since it's so loud and there's so much echo, but hearing the recordings (especially boots) could make you cringe a little. Again though, it's also the strain of touring, and even placement of the song in the set. "Tom Sawyer" was often very late in the set, if not in the encore. That certainly never helped matters!
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On 03 Oct 2021, The Millionaire said the following...

On 01 Oct 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Really. You didn't like Invisible Touch? That's one of my favorites. ABA is great too. I think underated actually.
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Those are some good picks!
Invisible touch was my gateway drug lol... then few months later after picking that up, they released we cant dance. I then made a point of listening to different albums and obtaining them.

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On 03 Oct 2021, Utopian Galt said the following...

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Really. You didn't like Invisible Touch? That's one of my favorites. ABACAB is great too. I think underated actually.
./)arkman /\lmighty.

I like ABACAB.

Awesome. Yeah the title song is amazing... the way it starts up.. just love how tony is all over those keys.
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Darkman Almighty wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Invisible touch was my gateway drug lol... then few months later after picking that up, they released we cant dance. I then made a point of listening to different albums and obtaining them.

My gateway was Selling England by the Pound, by way of a prog-rock obsession
in my early 20s (early 2000s). I'd heard the massive hits of the 80s when I
was younger, but I think the whole "grunge" and "alt" sensibilities popular when I was forming my musical tastes as a teen made it harder for me to appreciate the 80s era at first. Luckily, once Gabriel kicked down the Genesis door, as it were, Collins could eventually walk through, as well. Been a fan
of it all ever since!
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