• Covid-19

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 14:43:06
    Hi all.

    [begin PSA]

    For the purpose of clarity.

    I don't object to having Covid-19 being discussed in a factual manner as a subject in fsxNet.

    The world is united in having to deal with a pandemic taking many lives and causing a lot of disruption to peoples way of living.

    That said, pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy / anti govt vax sentiments / discussions are unwelcome here. By all means if you feel strongly about such things discuss them, just don't do here it in fsxNet.

    The original post that started the latest thread in this echo pointed to a Canadian anti-vax / anti Canadian govt website. Such posts immediately fall into the politics pot and as such are not welcome in fsxNet.

    There's a reason why we opted to keep political discussions out of fsxNet and that's because in the past it's been patiently clear that some past authors have been unable to discuss differing points of view civilly and
    respectfully, instead descending into political ideologies / conspiracies.

    People active in fsxNet would far rather have a place devoid of such divisive discord. I certainly do.

    Let's keep in fun please folks and save the ideology lessons for othernets.

    [end PSA]

    Best, Paul

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Avon on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:17:59
    People active in fsxNet would far rather have a place devoid of such divisive discord. I certainly do.

    Let's keep in fun please folks and save the ideology lessons for othernets.

    Hear hear!

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  • From Argos@21:1/203 to Avon on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 08:55:35

    For the purpose of clarity.

    I don't object to having Covid-19 being discussed in a factual manner as
    a subject in fsxNet.

    Yup


    The world is united in having to deal with a pandemic taking many lives and causing a lot of disruption to peoples way of living.

    So true ...


    That said, pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy / anti govt vax sentiments / discussions are unwelcome here. By all means if you feel strongly about such things discuss them, just don't do here it in fsxNet.


    Notice a "period" at the end of this .... Enough said.

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  • From N1uro@21:4/107 to Avon on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 09:32:00
    Hello Avon;

    Avon wrote to All <=-

    That said, pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy / anti govt vax sentiments / discussions are unwelcome here. By all means if you feel strongly about such things discuss them, just don't do here it in fsxNet.

    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Avon on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 08:42:16
    Re: Covid-19
    By: Avon to All on Wed Aug 18 2021 02:43 pm

    Hi all.

    [begin PSA]

    For the purpose of clarity.

    I don't object to having Covid-19 being discussed in a factual manner as a subject
    fsxNet.

    The world is united in having to deal with a pandemic taking many lives and causing
    lot of disruption to peoples way of living.

    That said, pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy / anti govt vax sentiments / discussions
    unwelcome here. By all means if you feel strongly about such things discuss them, j
    don't do here it in fsxNet.

    The original post that started the latest thread in this echo pointed to a Canadian
    anti-vax / anti Canadian govt website. Such posts immediately fall into the politic
    pot and as such are not welcome in fsxNet.

    There's a reason why we opted to keep political discussions out of fsxNet and that'
    because in the past it's been patiently clear that some past authors have been unab
    to discuss differing points of view civilly and
    respectfully, instead descending into political ideologies / conspiracies.

    People active in fsxNet would far rather have a place devoid of such divisive disco
    I certainly do.

    Let's keep in fun please folks and save the ideology lessons for othernets.

    [end PSA]

    Best, Paul

    "I don't object to having Covid being discussed" && "pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy /
    anti govt vax sentiments / discussions are unwelcome here" feel a lot like:

    "You can talkk about $subject as long as your view on $subject supports the Party
    Line"

    My opinion is that is completely unacceptable in any network that values a healthy
    flown of information.

    If you want FSXNet free from Covid-19 drama then ban all Covid-19 talk, not specific
    opinions.

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to Arelor on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 15:54:20
    If you want FSXNet free from Covid-19 drama then ban all Covid-19
    talk, not specific
    opinions.

    Thats it. beeing neutral is not allowing one side and banning the other.
    no politics and no covid talk at all makes more sense to me.

    Regards,
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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 09:09:22
    People active in fsxNet would far rather have a place devoid of such divisive discord. I certainly do.
    Let's keep in fun please folks and save the ideology lessons for othernets.
    Hear hear!

    Right! lets keep this place fun for all. i come here to avoid all the hupla. lol

    Thanks
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to N1uro on Thursday, August 19, 2021 10:07:00
    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>

    Sorry, we're anti-VAXers here, only PDP-11's :P

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  • From MATT MUNSON@21:4/108 to Mindsurfer on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 18:04:12
    Thats it. beeing neutral is not allowing one side and banning the other. no politics and no covid talk at all makes more sense to me.

    Im actually going to make a new othernet where all the stuff that cant be discussed here will be discussed. :)

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Arelor on Thursday, August 19, 2021 12:00:06
    "You can talkk about $subject as long as your view on $subject
    supports the Party
    Line"

    My opinion is that is completely unacceptable in any network that
    values a healthy
    flown of information.

    Healthy flow of misinformation more like it.

    Some things are not for opinions, and to value things as opinions that
    are simply untrue is not healthy.

    At any rate, I think Paul meant you can discuss things like what's
    happening with covid, like my Aunt got covid, or I got my vaccine. Not
    about views and opinions.

    But by all means, if you do find it completely unacceptable, then go
    elsewhere.

    Andrew

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  • From MATT MUNSON@21:4/108 to apam on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 21:59:10
    Healthy flow of misinformation more like it.

    I am trying to come up with neutral positive ideas that can make a small
    change in the situation. I want my liberties, but I also want people healthy
    in other good ways.Such as people with severe diabetes getting screwed real bad, the guy who made my signs for my state legislature race has to go thru kidney dialaysis because he got the rona real bad. Less people getting severe diabetes is a win for all of us. Latinos sadly are a group that gets it big time. Maybe we like sweet bread.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Arelor on Thursday, August 19, 2021 17:08:30
    On 18 Aug 2021 at 08:42a, Arelor pondered and said...

    "I don't object to having Covid being discussed" && "pro anti-vax / vax conspiracy /
    anti govt vax sentiments / discussions are unwelcome here" feel a lot like:

    "You can talkk about $subject as long as your view on $subject supports the Party
    Line"

    Sigh. Party Line, give me a break. I've been clear in my communications on
    this subject.

    My opinion is that is completely unacceptable in any network that values
    a healthy
    flown of information.

    I'm supportive of a flow of truthful and factual information. The post I
    called out was promoting anything but that.

    If you want FSXNet free from Covid-19 drama then ban all Covid-19 talk, not specific
    opinions.

    No that's not necessary. I've made my point of view clear. If folks want to have a ding dong session about pro vs anti vax stuff and how [insert country name] government/political party is not doing things right etc. etc. they can take it to an othernet.

    I read some folks want to have that discussion and they are more than welcome to somewhere other than fsxNet.

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to MATT MUNSON on Thursday, August 19, 2021 08:08:01
    MATT wrote (2021-08-18):

    Im actually going to make a new othernet where all the stuff that cant be discussed here will be discussed. :)

    And yet another FTN. Sounds like a network that only people with the right political mindset would join.

    As this stuff runs on Fidonet technology it is possible that nodes distribute echos that are not in the official echo list. Just create an echo (let's call it FREE_SPEECH_XTENSION) and setup links between the people/nodes that have a need to talk about "all the stuff that cant be discussed here".

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Thursday, August 19, 2021 07:22:36
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: Spectre to N1uro on Thu Aug 19 2021 10:07 am

    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>

    Sorry, we're anti-VAXers here, only PDP-11's :P

    Spec


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    Certainly, OpenBSD stopped supporting VAXes not long ago.

    It makes sense since OpenBSDers arre tin-foil-hat, "we only include tested audited stuff" people.

    Hmmm...

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Thursday, August 19, 2021 07:26:59
    Re: Covid-19
    By: apam to Arelor on Thu Aug 19 2021 12:00 pm

    Healthy flow of misinformation more like it.

    Some things are not for opinions, and to value things as opinions that
    are simply untrue is not healthy.


    If FSXNet had been a thing some centuries ago, maybe we would be talking about banning people for defending that tobacco is not good for your health.

    Not so long ago, the notion that tobacco was good for health was a scientific fact. Going against such notion was an eccentricity. If discussing anti-tobacco ideas had been banned back in the day, we would all be smoking and getting cancer.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to MATT MUNSON on Thursday, August 19, 2021 07:31:18
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: MATT MUNSON to apam on Wed Aug 18 2021 09:59 pm

    Healthy flow of misinformation more like it.

    I am trying to come up with neutral positive ideas that can make a small change in the situation. I want my liberties, but I also want people healthy in other good ways.Such as people with severe diabetes getting screwed real bad, the guy who made my signs for my state legislature race has to go thru kidney dialaysis because he got the rona real bad. Less people getting sever diabetes is a win for all of us. Latinos sadly are a group that gets it big time. Maybe we like sweet bread.

    Dunno, there are latinos and latinos.

    The Peruans and Chilenans I know around seem to base their diet on rice with chicken. There is a Peruan restaurant nearby that offers many traditional dishes but a lot of what I see them serving is rice with chicken.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Avon on Thursday, August 19, 2021 07:38:06
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: Avon to Arelor on Thu Aug 19 2021 05:08 pm

    If you want FSXNet free from Covid-19 drama then ban all Covid-19 talk, not specific
    opinions.

    No that's not necessary. I've made my point of view clear. If folks want to have a ding dong session about pro vs anti vax stuff and how [insert countr name] government/political party is not doing things right etc. etc. they ca take it to an othernet.

    That is definitively not what I had understood from the original announcement, but if this is the official position then it is reasonable.

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  • From N1uro@21:4/107 to Spectre on Thursday, August 19, 2021 10:17:00
    Hey Spectre;

    Spectre wrote to N1uro <=-

    Sorry, we're anti-VAXers here, only PDP-11's :P

    LOL!
    Actually, the Vax played a major role in the tcp/ip stack for the PC.
    If you don't know the story or anyone wishes to hear it let me know and I'll post it.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to N1uro on Thursday, August 19, 2021 19:32:49
    Actually, the Vax played a major role in the tcp/ip stack for the PC.
    If you don't know the story or anyone wishes to hear it let me know and I'll post it.

    I'm interested I'm interested.

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  • From Zylone@21:3/150 to N1uro on Thursday, August 19, 2021 13:56:33
    Actually, the Vax played a major role in the tcp/ip stack for the PC.
    If you don't know the story or anyone wishes to hear it let me know and I'll post it.

    YES PLEASE! =)

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Arelor on Friday, August 20, 2021 12:05:25
    <snip irrelevant "argument">

    You, nor anyone else here are experts on covid-19.

    And no one was talking about banning anyone. If you want to spread your armchair-meme-google-science do that elsewhere. There are enough
    other places where you can soak up that rubbish if you choose.

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Friday, August 20, 2021 14:19:00
    On 20 Aug 2021 at 12:05p, apam pondered and said...

    <snip irrelevant "argument">

    You, nor anyone else here are experts on covid-19.

    And no one was talking about banning anyone. If you want to spread your armchair-meme-google-science do that elsewhere. There are enough

    Hi there :)

    Changing the subject now as no one needs the angst of this any more :)

    How ya doing? I'm locked down at the moment (as are you right?) so been
    trying to do some work from home and not eat way too much at the moment.
    Golly it's tempting to chow down on a bag of chips right now heh.

    I'm poking at BRE and soon GD and FH to remove nodes that are inactive etc. It's a bit like playing whack a mole at times when trying to keep up with
    which systems are active or inactive. I'll get there.

    I do have a few running old versions of FH and GD but they poll all the time. It makes it a little hard to remove them but I also figure if they are going
    to set and forget and run a game that won't know how to deal with a later version of inter-bbs packet I suspect they are better off being removed from the league. Until now I have not touched such nodes but I'm feeling a little more summary today.

    It's cold here, sun is shining, we have the fire going.

    At 3pm local we find out if our lock down will be extended and I'm picking it will.

    More time to play on computers :)

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Avon on Friday, August 20, 2021 13:28:05
    Changing the subject now as no one needs the angst of this any more :)

    Fair enough :)

    How ya doing? I'm locked down at the moment (as are you right?) so
    been
    trying to do some work from home and not eat way too much at the
    moment.

    Nope we're not locked down here in Toowoomba, and haven't been since last
    year, other parts of queensland have more recently, but I don't think
    they are now. NSW is locked down, and we have the police and army at the Queensland / NSW border to try and stop people coming in.

    Golly it's tempting to chow down on a bag of chips right now heh.

    Hah. Does sound good.

    I'm poking at BRE and soon GD and FH to remove nodes that are inactive
    etc.
    It's a bit like playing whack a mole at times when trying to keep up
    with
    which systems are active or inactive. I'll get there.

    Yeah, I can imagine it's a bit of a pain to do.

    More time to play on computers :)

    :) I've been working on a new linux distro again, I've been using devuan
    as my main OS for a bit (with the requirements of Win 11, it's not really something I want, or can really afford). I wanted something like devuan
    but a bit more uptodate and using RPM instead of dpkg.

    I've got the base system working, now I need to build the base system on
    the base system. Then fixing bugs in my spec files.

    Then adding more software... at this stage it's just learning, and
    probably wont be useful for my every day computer, due to lack of
    multilib (but once I get everything else working I might try and add
    multilib) (multilib is 32-bit support on 64-bit host - which I use for
    steam and games :)

    Lots to do I guess. I'm just slowly plugging away at it with sessions of
    Lord of the Rings Online between.

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Friday, August 20, 2021 16:37:08
    On 20 Aug 2021 at 01:28p, apam pondered and said...

    Changing the subject now as no one needs the angst of this any more :)

    Fair enough :)

    I figure let's chat about stuff that does not involve angst. Heh

    Nope we're not locked down here in Toowoomba, and haven't been since last year, other parts of queensland have more recently, but I don't think
    they are now. NSW is locked down, and we have the police and army at the Queensland / NSW border to try and stop people coming in.

    Ah OK I confess without looking at a map I tend to loose track of who is
    where in Australia. Our government has just extended the three day lockdown
    out to seven days for all of the country. The area in the North Island (Auckland and Coromandel) was already looking at a seven day period at the highest level of lockdown. The rest of us now know (unsurprisingly) that
    we're facing the same period of time now. Today they found cases of Delta in Wellington but all linked back to a known location of interest in Auckland so that's good.

    Hah. Does sound good.

    I'm making pizza for dinner. Yum

    Yeah, I can imagine it's a bit of a pain to do.

    Done BRE but lagging a bit at sorting the others will keep at it tonight. If
    I don't end up watching a movie instead.

    :) I've been working on a new linux distro again, I've been using devuan as my main OS for a bit (with the requirements of Win 11, it's not really something I want, or can really afford). I wanted something like devuan but a bit more uptodate and using RPM instead of dpkg.

    I've got the base system working, now I need to build the base system on the base system. Then fixing bugs in my spec files.

    That sounds like it can easily take all the spare time you want to.

    Lots to do I guess. I'm just slowly plugging away at it with sessions of Lord of the Rings Online between.

    LOR .. that's a sore point for our local creative industry as Amazon
    announced it was pulling out of NZ in favour of the UK to make season two of
    a LOR TV show. Ah well..

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to N1uro on Friday, August 20, 2021 14:19:00
    LOL! Actually, the Vax played a major role in the tcp/ip stack for
    the PC. If you don't know the story or anyone wishes to hear it let
    me know and I'll post it.

    Go for it, which TCP stack?

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Friday, August 20, 2021 14:36:00
    You, nor anyone else here are experts on covid-19.

    There's a spiffy video on the YouTubas by John Cadogan. He usually takes a good swing at other Journos and Car Manufacturers. But in this one he's cast an "Engineer's Eye" over the current NSW covid stats.

    Its basically an assesment of the current numbers their actual age, and what it looks like they'll extrapolate to going forwards, in his usual dry fashion. He has a bit of a swing at Scomo and Gladys in it. If he's in your
    wheelhouse its worth a watch.

    Anyone else can look it up too, if they want to..

    Spec


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Arelor on Friday, August 20, 2021 08:02:04
    Arelor wrote (2021-08-19):

    If FSXNet had been a thing some centuries ago, maybe we would be talking about banning people for defending that tobacco is not good for your health.

    Not so long ago, the notion that tobacco was good for health was a scientific fact. Going against such notion was an eccentricity. If discussing anti-tobacco ideas had been banned back in the day, we would
    all be smoking and getting cancer.

    Bullshit.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking#History

    =Popularization=
    [...]
    Soon after its introduction to the Old World, tobacco came under frequent criticism from state and religious leaders. Murad IV, sultan of the Ottoman Empire 1623–40 was among the first to attempt a smoking ban by claiming it was a threat to public morality and health. The Chongzhen Emperor of China issued an edict banning smoking two years before his death and the overthrow of the Ming dynasty. Later, the Manchu rulers of the Qing dynasty, would proclaim smoking "a more heinous crime than that even of neglecting archery". In Edo period Japan, some of the earliest tobacco plantations were scorned by the shōgun as being a threat to the military economy by letting valuable farmland go to waste for the use of a recreational drug instead of being used to plant food crops.

    Religious leaders have often been prominent among those who considered smoking immoral or outright blasphemous. In 1634, the Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus' forbade the sale of tobacco and sentenced men and women who flouted the ban to have their nostrils slit and their backs whipped until skin came off their backs. The Western church leader Pope Urban VII likewise condemned smoking in a papal bull of 1590. Despite many concerted efforts, restrictions and bans were almost universally ignored. When James VI and I, a staunch anti-smoker and the author of A Counterblaste to Tobacco, tried to curb the new trend by enforcing a whopping 4000% tax increase on tobacco in 1604, it proved a failure, as London had some 7,000 tobacco sellers by the early 17th century. Later, scrupulous rulers would realise the futility of smoking bans and instead turned tobacco trade and cultivation into lucrative government monopolies.
    [...]


    =Anti-tobacco movement=

    The anti-tobacco movement started long before most people today realize. In 1798, Dr. Benjamin Rush (early American physician, signer of the Declaration of Independence, Surgeon General under George Washington, and anti-tobacco activist) was "against the habitual use of tobacco" because he believed it (a) "led to a desire for strong drink," (b) "was injurious both to health and morals," (c) "is generally offensive to" nonsmokers, (d) "produces a want of respect for" nonsmokers, and (e) "always disposes to unkind and unjust behavior towards them."

    With the modernization of cigarette production compounded with the increased life expectancies during the 1920s, adverse health effects began to become more prevalent. In Germany, anti-smoking groups, often associated with anti-liquor groups, first published advocacy against the consumption of tobacco in the journal Der Tabakgegner (The Tobacco Opponent) in 1912 and 1932. In 1929, Fritz Lickint of Dresden, Germany, published a paper containing formal statistical evidence of a lung cancer–tobacco link. During the Great Depression, Adolf Hitler condemned his earlier smoking habit as a waste of money, and later with stronger assertions. This movement was further strengthened with Nazi reproductive policy as women who smoked were viewed as unsuitable to be wives and mothers in a German family.

    The movement in Nazi Germany did reach across enemy lines during the Second World War, as anti-smoking groups quickly lost popular support. By the end of the Second World War, American cigarette manufacturers quickly reentered the German black market. Illegal smuggling of tobacco became prevalent, and leaders of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign were assassinated. As part of the Marshall Plan, the United States shipped free tobacco to Germany; with 24,000 tons in 1948 and 69,000 tons in 1949. Per capita yearly cigarette consumption in post-war Germany steadily rose from 460 in 1950 to 1,523 in 1963. By the end of the 20th century, anti-smoking campaigns in Germany were unable to exceed the effectiveness of the Nazi-era climax in the years 1939–41 and German tobacco health research was described by Robert N. Proctor as "muted".
    A lengthy study conducted in order to establish the strong association necessary for legislative action (US cigarette consumption per person blue, male lung cancer rate green)

    In the UK and the US, an increase in lung cancer rates, formerly "among the rarest forms of disease", was noted by the 1930s, but its cause remained unknown and even the credibility of this increase was sometimes disputed as late as 1950. For example, in Connecticut, reported age-adjusted incidence rates of lung cancer among males increased 220% between 1935–39 and 1950–54. In the UK, the share of lung cancer among all cancer deaths in men increased from 1.5% in 1920 to 19.7% in 1947. Nevertheless, these increases were questioned as potentially caused by increased reporting and improved methods of diagnosis. Although several carcinogens were already known at the time (for example, benzo[a]pyrene was isolated from coal tar and demonstrated to be a potent carcinogen in 1933), none were known to be contained in adequate quantities in tobacco smoke. Richard Doll in 1950 published research in the British Medical Journal showing a close link between smoking and lung cancer. Four years l
    ter, in 1954 the British Doctors Study, a study of some 40 thousand doctors over 20 years, confirmed the link, based on which the government issued advice that smoking and lung cancer rates were related. In 1964 the United States Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health demonstrated the relationship between smoking and cancer. Further reports confirmed this link in the 1980s and concluded in 1986 that passive smoking was also harmful.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Oli on Friday, August 20, 2021 02:54:17
    Re: Smoking (Was: Covid-19)
    By: Oli to Arelor on Fri Aug 20 2021 08:02 am

    Bullshit.


    Then replace tobacco for gay rights or whatever example that you think applies.

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  • From Dmxrob@21:4/142 to Apam on Friday, August 20, 2021 11:57:07
    BY: apam(21:1/182)


    |11a|09> |10At any rate, I think Paul meant you can discuss things like what's|07
    |11a|09> |10happening with covid, like my Aunt got covid, or I got my vaccine. Not|07
    |11a|09> |10about views and opinions.|07
    |11a|09> |07
    |11a|09> |10But by all means, if you do find it completely unacceptable, then go|07
    |11a|09> |10elsewhere.|07

    Here! Here! Well said!

    Might I add, "and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".

    |12DMX|09Rob|07
    |11Off the Wall Since |14'88|07

    Off the Wall / St. Peters, Missouri / Dialing since '88

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  • From N1uro@21:4/107 to Spectre on Friday, August 20, 2021 08:33:00
    Hey Spectre;

    Spectre wrote to N1uro <=-

    Go for it, which TCP stack?

    Already posted it.

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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to apam on Friday, August 20, 2021 07:54:46
    :) I've been working on a new linux distro again, I've been using devuan as my main OS for a bit (with the requirements of Win 11, it's not really something I want, or can really afford). I wanted something like devuan but a bit more uptodate and using RPM instead of dpkg.
    I've got the base system working, now I need to build the base system on the base system. Then fixing bugs in my spec files.
    Then adding more software... at this stage it's just learning, and probably wont be useful for my every day computer, due to lack of
    multilib (but once I get everything else working I might try and add multilib) (multilib is 32-bit support on 64-bit host - which I use for steam and games :)

    I've been thinking about creating a slackware 14.2 based OS for raspberry ip tricorder. there is currently projects on line for DIY PiCorder projects. i
    was looking over the "picorderOS" which is python modules that gives the
    screen readout the "LCARS" next gen look. it seems to be sitting ontop of raspberrian. i was thinging of seeing if i could compile a linux kernel to be extremely lightweight having only the device modules for the device, and arm arch with a focus on speed and low power consumption. i was thinking of using slackware, as the code base for 14.2 is rock solid. i was thinking originally of having the rest of the OS for slackware installed, but i started thinking maybe having busybox for a bash replacement which could run on lower system resources... this is just an idea i have been thinking about. this is a slackware project that helps to put it on an RPi https://sarpi.penthux.net/

    Thanks
    - Gamecube Buddy

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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to Spectre on Friday, August 20, 2021 07:57:32
    LOL! Actually, the Vax played a major role in the tcp/ip stack for the PC. If you don't know the story or anyone wishes to hear it let me know and I'll post it.
    Go for it, which TCP stack?
    Spec

    All this talk of VAX-VMS is going to get DJAtropine excited. lol.
    Anti-VAXers are people who dont like VAX OpenVMS Mainframes lol.

    Thanks
    - Gamecube Buddy

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to N1uro on Saturday, August 21, 2021 09:08:03
    N1uro wrote to Avon <=-

    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>

    Unless they are involved in conspiracies, I hope those are ok! I like
    reading about old tech.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to All on Saturday, August 21, 2021 09:13:32
    No that's not necessary. I've made my point of view clear. If folks
    want to have a ding dong session about pro vs anti vax stuff and how [insert country name] government/political party is not doing things
    right etc. etc. they can take it to an othernet.

    I read some folks want to have that discussion and they are more than welcome to somewhere other than fsxNet.

    They are welcome to do so in FIDO Politics.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Saturday, August 21, 2021 09:18:36
    Arelor wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    The Peruans and Chilenans I know around seem to base their diet on rice with chicken. There is a Peruan restaurant nearby that offers many traditional dishes but a lot of what I see them serving is rice with chicken.

    Sounds good. ;)~


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Oli on Saturday, August 21, 2021 09:40:18
    Oli wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    As this stuff runs on Fidonet technology it is possible that nodes distribute echos that are not in the official echo list. Just create an echo (let's call it FREE_SPEECH_XTENSION) and setup links between the people/nodes that have a need to talk about "all the stuff that cant be discussed here".

    FIDO already has a CONSPIRACY echo and, I think, at least one other echo
    that claims to be free speech. Unless we are talking folks who don't want
    to carry FIDO because they don't want to be exposed to such (which would be ironic), folks should already have places to talk about such things.


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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to Blue White on Saturday, August 21, 2021 19:20:00
    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>
    Unless they are involved in conspiracies, I hope those are ok! I like reading about old tech.

    lol i posted my Anti-VAX VMS mainframe joke to fecesbook and got flagged by
    the covid watch group lol. it made DJatropine laugh his head off lol.

    Thanks
    - Gamecube Buddy

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  • From N1uro@21:4/107 to Blue White on Saturday, August 21, 2021 19:55:00
    Hey Blue White;

    Blue White wrote to N1uro <=-

    Unless they are involved in conspiracies, I hope those are ok! I like reading about old tech.

    It's just as much fun if not moreso USING some of the old technologies. Almost wish some of the old cell networks were still available for connectivity so
    my analog bag phone would still work. That thing had 3x the coverage today's mini tablets (phones) have!

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  • From MATT MUNSON@21:4/108 to Arelor on Saturday, August 21, 2021 22:08:37
    The Peruans and Chilenans I know around seem to base their diet on rice with chicken. There is a Peruan restaurant nearby that offers many

    Yes, I do want to eat more rice and chicken. If I end up getting a job soon, that might be my regular lunch.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to gcubebuddy on Monday, August 23, 2021 08:37:00
    gcubebuddy wrote to Blue White <=-

    lol i posted my Anti-VAX VMS mainframe joke to fecesbook and got
    flagged by the covid watch group lol. it made DJatropine laugh his head off lol.

    Just say NO to VAX! PDP-11, all the way!


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to gcubebuddy on Monday, August 23, 2021 16:11:08
    gcubebuddy wrote to Blue White <=-

    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>
    Unless they are involved in conspiracies, I hope those are ok! I like reading about old tech.

    lol i posted my Anti-VAX VMS mainframe joke to fecesbook and got
    flagged by the covid watch group lol. it made DJatropine laugh his head off lol.

    A few weeks back one of my fiendbook friends posted something that was
    pro-vax and got flagged. I think their algorhythms must not be quite right.


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  • From MATT MUNSON@21:4/108 to Blue White on Monday, August 23, 2021 17:26:46
    A few weeks back one of my fiendbook friends posted something that was pro-vax and got flagged. I think their algorhythms must not be quite right.

    Their AI can not understand context. Such as how I said if the previous
    leader behaved like the current leader the news media would lynch him
    by now, and then Fakebook thinks im lynching a black dude across the street where I get a FB strike.

    I am more likely going to use Fakebook for shelter pet awareness only.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Blue White on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 03:05:43
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: Blue White to gcubebuddy on Mon Aug 23 2021 04:11 pm

    gcubebuddy wrote to Blue White <=-

    What about vax systems that run unix? <G>
    Unless they are involved in conspiracies, I hope those are ok! I like reading about old tech.

    lol i posted my Anti-VAX VMS mainframe joke to fecesbook and got flagged by the covid watch group lol. it made DJatropine laugh his head off lol.

    A few weeks back one of my fiendbook friends posted something that was pro-vax and got flagged. I think their algorhythms must not be quite right.


    ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

    I have heard somebody got flagged once for asking if some store had black cartridges for an HP printer.

    In Spanish, HP is often used as an abreviation for "Hijo de Puta," which could be translated as "Son of a Bitch." The message that got flagged was something like "Estoy buscando cartuchos HP Negro 350XL." (I am looking for Black HP 350 XL cartridges). I think the algorithm read "HP Negro" and interpretated it as "Hijo de Puta Negro", or "Black Son of a Bitch."

    And this is yet another reason why nobody should touch Facebook with a 10 feet long pole.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to MATT MUNSON on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 03:08:04
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: MATT MUNSON to Blue White on Mon Aug 23 2021 05:26 pm

    I am more likely going to use Fakebook for shelter pet awareness only.

    I have some Donkey Sanctuary calendars around the workplace and they seem to work better for that. They also help getting conversations started with the girls :-)

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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to Arelor on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 07:17:54
    A few weeks back one of my fiendbook friends posted something that was pro-vax and got flagged. I think their algorhythms must not be quite r
    I have heard somebody got flagged once for asking if some store had black cartridges for an HP printer.
    In Spanish, HP is often used as an abreviation for "Hijo de Puta," which could be translated as "Son of a Bitch." The message that got flagged
    was something like "Estoy buscando cartuchos HP Negro 350XL." (I am looking for Black HP 350 XL cartridges). I think the algorithm read "HP Negro" and interpretated it as "Hijo de Puta Negro", or "Black Son of a Bitch."
    And this is yet another reason why nobody should touch Facebook with a
    10 feet long pole.

    haha thats too funny.

    Thanks
    - Gamecube Buddy

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to gcubebuddy on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 08:55:00
    gcubebuddy wrote to Arelor <=-

    In Spanish, HP is often used as an abreviation for "Hijo de Puta," which could be translated as "Son of a Bitch."

    That applies to their printer and PC divisions aptly.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, August 26, 2021 17:06:14
    Re: Re: Covid-19
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to gcubebuddy on Wed Aug 25 2021 08:55 am

    gcubebuddy wrote to Arelor <=-

    In Spanish, HP is often used as an abreviation for "Hijo de Puta," whic could be translated as "Son of a Bitch."

    That applies to their printer and PC divisions aptly.


    ... The strongest steel is forged in the fires of a dumpster.

    I donç't know about the PC/Laptop branches.

    The printing part... their management and human resources personal ought to be put on a diet of nails and burning coals for the rest of their lives.

    Their division for enterprise network solutions (whatever it is called this year) is ok afaik.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Friday, August 27, 2021 07:07:00
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Their division for enterprise network solutions (whatever it is called this year) is ok afaik.

    I worked at a law firm back in the '90s, the IT department was driven out of NYC by a guy who quoted out a single-vendor system for a dozen law offices.
    HP came out the winner.

    HP Vectra Desktops
    HP video cards
    HP ethernet switches
    HP-branded cisco router
    HP 3000 midrange computer running HP/UX
    Portable Netware (Netware core protocols and a virtual file system running
    on top of UNIX. Weird)
    Informix DB
    HP branded Windows 3.1 OS on the desktops
    Wordperfect 5.2 for Windows
    HP Printers, of course...




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  • From apam@21:1/182 to All on Tuesday, September 28, 2021 15:21:30
    Hey All

    It's 3:11pm here, not long now until we go to the eye clinic to get my
    eye surgery done. It's at 5pm... I'm a bit nervous :)

    It's just a minor thing, crosslinking on my right eye and should be done
    in half an hour and ready to go straight after..

    I've been working on talisman a little bit... just started to add QWK networking, but a bit too nervous to concentrate getting very far with it.

    I signed up for a new account on vert, but used the wrong qwk id (ie it's
    not the same as my current one..) oops. I don't think it would matter
    though.

    Anyway, hopefully can get that done soon. It will have one binary to scan
    toss and poll, i plan on using libcurl to do the ftp transfers.

    We discovered today that the internet here is only free if you select the public spaces wifi option, not the room option... they charge $5 a day
    per device for the room option... we had four devices, so thats about $40
    we didn't intend to spend the last couple of days.. oops ! now we know
    were using the hotspots on our phone.

    We're not very careful to assume anything that doesn't specificly say
    free probably costs extra money. hum.. it was a bit sneaky they advertise
    free wifi, but don't tell you which option is free.... oh well.

    Yesterday we had take away, and being in ipswitch (and the rest of SE queensland you are required to wear masks... while we were waiting for
    our order, a couple came in without masks and threw a tantrum about it.
    crazy. I really feel bad for the waiter who just has to do what is told
    bearing the brunt of that, and wonder how often it happens.

    Well better go...

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Tuesday, September 28, 2021 19:43:40
    On 28 Sep 2021 at 03:21p, apam pondered and said...

    Hey All

    Hey

    It's 3:11pm here, not long now until we go to the eye clinic to get my
    eye surgery done. It's at 5pm... I'm a bit nervous :)

    I hope it went for you :)

    It's just a minor thing, crosslinking on my right eye and should be done in half an hour and ready to go straight after..

    So no 6 million dollar man stuff eh? ;-)

    I've been working on talisman a little bit... just started to add QWK networking, but a bit too nervous to concentrate getting very far with
    it.
    I signed up for a new account on vert, but used the wrong qwk id (ie it's not the same as my current one..) oops. I don't think it would matter though.

    I spotted those changes and tweaks over on the Talisman echo, they look good!

    Anyway, hopefully can get that done soon. It will have one binary to scan toss and poll, i plan on using libcurl to do the ftp transfers.

    Gotcha

    We discovered today that the internet here is only free if you select the public spaces wifi option, not the room option... they charge $5 a day
    per device for the room option... we had four devices, so thats about $40 we didn't intend to spend the last couple of days.. oops ! now we know were using the hotspots on our phone.

    That sucks, this seems to be a common trick for places that offer accommodation :(

    We're not very careful to assume anything that doesn't specificly say
    free probably costs extra money. hum.. it was a bit sneaky they advertise free wifi, but don't tell you which option is free.... oh well.
    .
    Yeah they should be clear about it IMHO.

    Yesterday we had take away, and being in ipswitch (and the rest of SE queensland you are required to wear masks... while we were waiting for
    our order, a couple came in without masks and threw a tantrum about it. crazy. I really feel bad for the waiter who just has to do what is told bearing the brunt of that, and wonder how often it happens.

    Have not seen much of that here, we are also in mask mode when outside and indoors and it seems to be going well for the most part.

    Well better go...

    Take care, sending good vibes for your op. And if you do end up bionic can I have your autograph?

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to apam on Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:43:02
    apam wrote (2021-09-28):

    Hey All

    It's 3:11pm here, not long now until we go to the eye clinic to get my
    eye surgery done. It's at 5pm... I'm a bit nervous :)

    It's just a minor thing, crosslinking on my right eye and should be done
    in half an hour and ready to go straight after..

    Never heard of this procedure before. I hope everything went well. What I read on Wikipedia / the net it is one of the less invasive procedures. I think my biggest issue would be to remember not rubbing my eyes the days after.

    Argh, now I'm reading that eye rubbing might increase my risks of developing keratoconus...

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Avon on Tuesday, September 28, 2021 21:08:02
    I hope it went for you :)

    It did thanks, it wasn't what I expected though, you can't really call it surgery, all it was was 15-30 minutes with drops every 2 minutes, then
    they clipped my eye open and shone a uv light in it for 5 minutes.

    I had expected them to scrape the cornea etc, but apparently they have a
    new chemical that they don't need to do that anymore.

    it's supposed to hurt after the anesthsia wears off, but that hasn't
    happened yet...

    That sucks, this seems to be a common trick for places that offer accommodation :(

    I guess we don't go many places, so good to know if we ever go some where
    again :)

    Have not seen much of that here, we are also in mask mode when outside
    and indoors and it seems to be going well for the most part.

    That's good. Maybe it's an isolated incident.

    Take care, sending good vibes for your op. And if you do end up bionic
    can I have your autograph?

    Haha. Thanks.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Oli on Tuesday, September 28, 2021 21:14:15
    Never heard of this procedure before. I hope everything went well.
    What I read on Wikipedia / the net it is one of the less invasive procedures. I think my biggest issue would be to remember not rubbing
    my eyes the days after.

    Yep, didn't turn out to be nearly as bad as I thought it would be, and I
    didn't think it would have been all that bad anyway.

    Argh, now I'm reading that eye rubbing might increase my risks of
    developing keratoconus...

    Yeah, something to be careful of :)

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to All on Tuesday, October 05, 2021 17:50:18
    Hey All

    How are you going?

    It's been pretty hot the last couple of days here.. I've been working on setting up a second BBS. I wanted to set one up on Windows 10 so that I'm testing Talisman more thoroughly on that platform. (Instead of just
    making sure it runs ...)

    I wanted something like the inn names, like "The Bird and Baby", "The
    Barbed Hook", "The Prancing Pony" etc.. so I came up with "The Grinning
    Cat" It's not that exciting, but I used to have a cheeky cat :)

    I've got lots of artwork to do.. I'm just taking it slowly, if anyone
    wants to do some art, that would be cool :D but i don't expect it.

    I setup Motel Kalifornia (One of Gary Crunk's games...) that was fun,
    it's a DOS game and I'm running on 64-bit windows. So my favourite DosBox method to the rescue :P

    I've set it online, but it's no where near finished...
    gcat.happylandbbs.com the ports are 11823 for telnet and 11822 for ssh,
    feel free to poke around and see what i'm up to.

    Andrew

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