• Just dropping by...

    From niter3@21:1/199 to All on Thursday, April 22, 2021 09:02:47
    Just dropping by...

    How is everyone? I've been so consume with the fam and other hobbies my BBS
    has been pretty much self running these days. Not much activity on my front.

    How is everything else going? Where are we with Mystic these days? Any advancements or cool new features to chat about?

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to niter3 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 08:27:05
    Just dropping by...

    How is everyone? I've been so consume with the fam and other hobbies my BBS has been pretty much self running these days. Not much activity on
    my front.

    How is everything else going? Where are we with Mystic these days? Any advancements or cool new features to chat about?

    Glad you found time to pop in niter3. I haven't been to clutch in a bit - I'll have to swing by. [I miss the ASCII logo & colorful login!]

    I finally have a vaccine appointment on Saturday - which is a relief to me. I still have to work an see people, this past year has been a drag as I basically have been doing 1/2 of the actual work to mitigate risk. Anyway... Saturday. 10:30. Finally.

    Mystic is @ a46 stable and a47 is the alpha. g00r00 has been actively banging out fixes and upgrades to the 132c ANSI modes amongst other things. There is some issues with the state of Python and even the 132c mode, but overall I'm happy with the added functionality of a47 over staying on the stable.
    Theres new message pointers options for new users.
    Theres new python2 and python3 options to point to different libraries.
    Theres marquee text to display on menus.

    Hope all is well... cheers.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to niter3 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 17:30:24
    How is everyone? I've been so consume with the fam and other hobbies my BBS has been pretty much self running these days. Not much activity on
    my front.

    My mental energy is kinda taxed, at the moment, but I'm about 70 ANSIs from initial completion of my BBS calendar (308 done), so I'm at least being fairly productive with that.

    How is everything else going? Where are we with Mystic these days? Any advancements or cool new features to chat about?

    I'm waiting on there to be another official alpha, as the pre-alpha
    schedule is a bit much for me.

    I'm uncertain if I could even do the things I'd like to try, which is having ANSIs displayed at different speeds with minimum hassle (not that I have any ANSI animations I've made in the last decade, since I don't know how one
    makes them rather than using TheDraw), and to try out a 132-column theme.

    But, again, ANSI calendar is kinda all-consuming, as far as my project effort goes.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to niter3 on Friday, April 23, 2021 09:06:00
    On 22 Apr 2021 at 09:02a, niter3 pondered and said...

    Just dropping by...

    Hi :)


    How is everyone? I've been so consume with the fam and other hobbies my BBS has been pretty much self running these days. Not much activity on
    my front.

    I am little bit the same but keep active in the hobby and am slowly chipping away shifting windows based systems I am running for fsxNet and Fido HUBs
    over to Linux. Just sorting stats posting then on to the next step.

    How is everything else going? Where are we with Mystic these days? Any advancements or cool new features to chat about?

    I have been keeping a bit of a watch on Mystic and g00r00 is continuing to develop it. We're yet to see a final release of A47 but I'll look to update
    to it when it does come out officially.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to paulie420 on Friday, April 23, 2021 08:36:18
    Glad you found time to pop in niter3. I haven't been to clutch in a bit
    - I'll have to swing by. [I miss the ASCII logo & colorful login!]

    I finally have a vaccine appointment on Saturday - which is a relief to me. I still have to work an see people, this past year has been a drag
    as I basically
    have been doing 1/2 of the actual work to mitigate risk. Anyway... Saturday. 10:30. Finally.

    Mystic is @ a46 stable and a47 is the alpha. g00r00 has been actively banging out fixes and upgrades to the 132c ANSI modes amongst other things. There is some issues with the state of Python and even the 132c mode, but overall I'm happy with the added functionality of a47 over staying on the stable. Theres new message pointers options for new users. Theres new python2 and python3 options to point to different libraries. Theres marquee text to display on menus.

    Hope all is well... cheers.

    Nice, I'll have to take a look. I'm currently on a46.

    Here in Canada Ontario we have stay at home orders do to the numbers rising
    and the ICU beds running low. We just got word from the local hospital we are accepting 40 new people from the Toronto region.

    I'm so sick of covid. I just want to get back to normal life... Vacation this year will be a stay vacation. :/

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Adept on Friday, April 23, 2021 08:40:25
    My mental energy is kinda taxed, at the moment, but I'm about 70 ANSIs from initial completion of my BBS calendar (308 done), so I'm at least being fairly productive with that.
    I'm waiting on there to be another official alpha, as the pre-alpha schedule is a bit much for me.

    I'm uncertain if I could even do the things I'd like to try, which is having ANSIs displayed at different speeds with minimum hassle (not that
    I have any ANSI animations I've made in the last decade, since I don't know how one makes them rather than using TheDraw), and to try out a 132-column theme.

    But, again, ANSI calendar is kinda all-consuming, as far as my project effort goes.


    Sounds productive. I think a lot of us are finding time for our projects in
    the last year.

    Myself, I just had my kitchen redone. What a nightmare. It took 6 months and
    I had nothing but problems, including the contractor cutting the main support beam on me. It wasn't fun!

    As for renovation projects, I have decided to put them on hold for a while.
    It was to much stress along with people coming and going in my house without masks etc...

    As for personal projects, I've been focusing on TV solutions and gaming solutions for home. My most current project is hard wiring my PS5 and gaming via the shield TV, PC's, and playing around with GeForce Now for both my son and I.

    Lastly, I've been focusing on cleanup work for my automation system and
    trying to excercise since putting on weight due to being at home all the
    time. :/

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Avon on Friday, April 23, 2021 08:44:36
    I am little bit the same but keep active in the hobby and am slowly chipping away shifting windows based systems I am running for fsxNet and Fido HUBs over to Linux. Just sorting stats posting then on to the next step.
    I have been keeping a bit of a watch on Mystic and g00r00 is continuing
    to develop it. We're yet to see a final release of A47 but I'll look to update to it when it does come out officially.


    It's awesome to see on going development in the scene.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to niter3 on Friday, April 23, 2021 09:15:00
    Hello niter3!

    ** On Friday 23.04.21 - 08:36, niter3 wrote to paulie420:

    I'm so sick of covid. I just want to get back to normal
    life... Vacation this year will be a stay vacation. :/

    Isn't that what a lot of people did last year too? :/

    The AZ vaxx is not looking good. Too many people are reporting
    thrombosis in all parts of the body.

    "77 Iowa prison inmates GIVEN Covid-19 vaccine OVERDOSES

    "The prisoners were reportedly accidentally given SIX TIMES the
    recommended dosage of the Pfizer jab. (Des Moines Register)

    "Two medical staff members from the Iowa Dept of Corrections
    have been placed on leave, pending an investigation, according
    to a spokesperson from the facility.

    "The inmates are being closely monitored but both Pfizer and the
    CDC do not expect any major side effects.


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Ogg on Friday, April 23, 2021 10:37:33
    On 23 Apr 2021, Ogg said the following...

    I'm so sick of covid. I just want to get back to normal
    life... Vacation this year will be a stay vacation. :/

    Isn't that what a lot of people did last year too? :/

    in my case at least, the family vacation has always been incredibly low-key.. and in a fairly remote location. i do feel bad for people who would like to travel to more populated/new to them/etc places. can still go to Disney World apparenly..

    The AZ vaxx is not looking good. Too many people are reporting thrombosis in all parts of the body.

    i hate being a cynic, but come two to three years from now i don't think any of them will look very great. i do hope i'm wrong though.

    "77 Iowa prison inmates GIVEN Covid-19 vaccine OVERDOSES

    hopefully they were the worst of the worst ;)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to niter3 on Saturday, April 24, 2021 05:19:00
    I'm so sick of covid. I just want to get back to normal life... Vacation this year will be a stay vacation. :/

    Ahh the staycation... I don't think you're going to get anywhere near "normal" for a number of years at this point. Given its rate of mutation, you'd have to think this is going to go on for some time :/

    Spec


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to niter3 on Saturday, April 24, 2021 09:43:37
    On 23 Apr 2021 at 08:44a, niter3 pondered and said...

    It's awesome to see on going development in the scene.

    I agree. I'd recommend looking at Talisman and Enigma 1/2 .. both are being worked on actively too. There are others as well :)

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to fusion on Friday, April 23, 2021 17:58:00
    Hello fusion!

    ** On Friday 23.04.21 - 10:37, fusion wrote to Ogg:

    The AZ vaxx is not looking good. Too many people are
    reporting thrombosis in all parts of the body.

    i hate being a cynic, but come two to three years from now i
    don't think any of them will look very great. i do hope i'm
    wrong though.

    I'm on that page too. The blood-clot victims may be few now
    primarily because most people's bodies can fight off the problem
    before it get started, but when those apparently unaffected
    persons get older and their bodies get weaker, we may hear of
    unusual spikes of thrombosis in seniors - especially if the
    vaxx's have been administered regularly in prior years. And,
    when that time comes around, the medical experts can easily
    attribute those problems to old age.


    "77 Iowa prison inmates GIVEN Covid-19 vaccine OVERDOSES

    hopefully they were the worst of the worst ;)

    It's just unbelievable how something like that can be flubbed
    up.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Spectre on Friday, April 23, 2021 18:00:00
    Hello Spectre!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 05:19, Spectre wrote to niter3:

    Ahh the staycation... I don't think you're going to get
    anywhere near "normal" for a number of years at this point.
    Given its rate of mutation, you'd have to think this is
    going to go on for some time :/

    The "regular" flu goes through the same mutation process, and
    people have been dealing with that for hundreds of years. Why
    does there have to be difference?

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to fusion on Saturday, April 24, 2021 00:23:33
    The AZ vaxx is not looking good. Too many people are reporting thrombosis in all parts of the body.

    i hate being a cynic, but come two to three years from now i don't think any of them will look very great. i do hope i'm wrong though.

    Just so someone who goes delving in the archives could rate this prediction, what exactly do you mean?

    The Astrazeneca vaccine seems to have a thrombosis rate under 1 case in 100,000. Is that "not great"?

    Basically, do you have any quantifiable metrics for what would be "not great"?

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Avon on Saturday, April 24, 2021 00:26:44
    It's awesome to see on going development in the scene.

    I agree. I'd recommend looking at Talisman and Enigma 1/2 .. both are being worked on actively too. There are others as well :)

    It's pretty interesting, and I'm sad that switching BBS software is as much
    of a hassle as it is, since it'd be fun to try these other things out.

    ...not that I'm doing _any_ BBS updating/changing/whatever work. Just that
    it's interesting to follow apam's work, or Paulie420 (among others) talking about their experimentation with Talisman.

    And, yes, Enigma 1/2, and WWIV and Synchronet also deserve mentions.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Saturday, April 24, 2021 00:30:30
    vaxx's have been administered regularly in prior years. And,
    when that time comes around, the medical experts can easily
    attribute those problems to old age.

    To be fair, the cardiovascular degradation aspects of COVID are pretty scary. And, honestly, are the primary reason why COVID concerns me, rather than the immediate death risk.

    It'll be interesting to see what data we can get out of this, as I assume
    it'll be messy.

    But data does seem to be like that. Science is messy.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Saturday, April 24, 2021 10:17:00
    near "normal" for a number of years at this point. Given its rate
    of mutation, you'd have to think this is going to go on for some
    time :/

    The "regular" flu goes through the same mutation process, and
    people have been dealing with that for hundreds of years. Why does
    there have to be difference?

    Because it appears to have a higher propensity for mutation, and appears far more inherenetly dangerous. Ergo it is different, and doesn't show any sign of going away like for argument sake the spanish flu.

    Spec


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Adept on Friday, April 23, 2021 21:29:21
    On 24 Apr 2021, Adept said the following...

    i hate being a cynic, but come two to three years from now i don't th any of them will look very great. i do hope i'm wrong though.

    Just so someone who goes delving in the archives could rate this prediction, what exactly do you mean?

    The Astrazeneca vaccine seems to have a thrombosis rate under 1 case in 100,000. Is that "not great"?

    Basically, do you have any quantifiable metrics for what would be "not great"?

    efficacy, known (and perhaps yet unknown) side effects.

    pls don't get big mad it's not like i'm advocating against getting them lol

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Friday, April 23, 2021 21:35:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 00:30, Adept wrote to Ogg:

    To be fair, the cardiovascular degradation aspects of COVID
    are pretty scary. And, honestly, are the primary reason why
    COVID concerns me, rather than the immediate death risk.

    Most people of the public are in very bad shape. The modest
    clinicals trials only used fit and healthy people.

    It'll be interesting to see what data we can get out of
    this, as I assume it'll be messy.

    I am not interested in being part of that data in the global
    experiment.

    Quoting from..

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140- 6736(21)00762-5/fulltext

    "In a population of 5 million people (ie, size matching the
    approximate number of people having received the Oxford-
    AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Europe by March 10, 20214 ),
    this incidence would correspond to approximately 169 expected
    cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 736 expected cases
    per month (if based on the incidence rate among the 18-99-year-
    old Danes). Similarly, if estimated based on the incidence rate
    among 18-64-year-old Danes, one would expect 91 cases of venous
    thromboembolism per week, or 398 cases per month."

    BUT, in a recent news story on TV tonight, one news organization
    decided to claim this statistic: that out of 1.1 million cases,
    only 4 where reported with blood clots.

    The LANCET continues..

    "We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of
    the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of
    rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and
    thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated
    intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy
    individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford-AstraZeneca
    COVID-19 vaccine."

    The TV news organization touted the predictable line: "the
    benefits still outweigh the risks"

    But they don't quote the whole line:

    "the EMA concluded that 'benefits still outweigh the risks
    despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood
    platelets'"

    Considering that the success rate to fight covid naturally is
    98%, and the possibility to catch it is pretty low if avoiding
    gatherings and washing hands, I would rather take that chance
    than purposely introducing something into my body and then live
    in real fear of the thrombosis risk or any yet unknown risks.

    It is outrageous for the public message to be "the benefits
    still outweigh the risks" for drugs that are not FDA approved
    and for the manufacturers to have indemnity. The only ones who
    benefit are the manufactures.


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to niter3 on Friday, April 23, 2021 18:01:33
    Nice, I'll have to take a look. I'm currently on a46.

    I was impressed, again, with Clutch. I like the style and how put together you have your setup - great job.

    Here in Canada Ontario we have stay at home orders do to the numbers rising and the ICU beds running low. We just got word from the local hospital we are accepting 40 new people from the Toronto region.

    I'm so sick of covid. I just want to get back to normal life... Vacation this year will be a stay vacation. :/


    Same, niter3... I'm over this stuff. I finally get vaccinated tomorrow and I'm pretty happy about it. I hope all of this just... continues. When the going gets tough, keep on walking.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to fusion on Saturday, April 24, 2021 06:01:16
    Re: Re: Just dropping by...
    By: fusion to Ogg on Fri Apr 23 2021 10:37 am

    Isn't that what a lot of people did last year too? :/

    in my case at least, the family vacation has always been incredibly low-key. and in a fairly remote location. i do feel bad for people who would like to travel to more populated/new to them/etc places. can still go to Disney Worl apparenly..

    My idea of vacation is staying home with the horses.

    When I was younger my family dragged me to their vacations and I was not much of a fan of travelling to highly populated areas. The really "cool" places to visit are full of people, and people sucks, hence those placs suck :-) There are some good places to visit, but often they make for a three days visit tops, not a full "vacation". And they are rarely good enough to justify getting away from the horses so...


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  • From Elf@21:4/122 to Ogg on Saturday, April 24, 2021 08:30:00
    Ogg wrote to Adept <=-

    It is outrageous for the public message to be "the benefits
    still outweigh the risks" for drugs that are not FDA approved
    and for the manufacturers to have indemnity. The only ones who
    benefit are the manufactures.

    The only thing that I wanted to comment on about this is that
    manufacturers should *NEVER* have indemnity. Period.

    As far as "FDA approved," who cares. They are not perfect either. There
    are still risks even with FDA approved drugs/vaccines.

    At the end of the day, whether to take this vaccine or not should
    remain a personal decision.

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  • From Elf@21:4/122 to Arelor on Saturday, April 24, 2021 08:33:00
    Arelor wrote to fusion <=-

    My idea of vacation is staying home with the horses.
    When I was younger my family dragged me to their vacations and I was
    not much of a fan of travelling to highly populated areas. The really "cool" places to visit are full of people, and people sucks, hence
    those placs suck :-) There are some good places to visit, but often
    they make for a three days visit tops, not a full "vacation". And they
    are rarely good enough to justify getting away from the horses so...


    Sounds like you have found what I would call a peaceful vacation. What
    more could one want? If it ain't peaceful . . . if you have to come
    home and rest from vacation . . . I don't know. Just makes me
    think...hmmm...

    ... I'm out of bed and dressed. What more do you want?
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Sunday, April 25, 2021 08:06:00
    On 04-24-21 00:30, Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    To be fair, the cardiovascular degradation aspects of COVID are pretty scary. And, honestly, are the primary reason why COVID concerns me,
    rather than the immediate death risk.

    That's the primary source of my concerns with COVID as well. That sort of damage would preclude me doing what I do now, and would in turn make me susceptible to serious mental health issues. I'd rather roll the dice with a vaccine, where the odds are less than 1 in 100000 of something going seriously wrong. Got my first shot on Tuesday.

    It'll be interesting to see what data we can get out of this, as I
    assume it'll be messy.

    But data does seem to be like that. Science is messy.

    Data will come, and we'll also (hopefully) get an idea of the risk factors for the various vaccines, so those low numbers of adverse side effects can be reduced even further.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, April 25, 2021 08:08:00
    On 04-24-21 10:17, Spectre wrote to Ogg <=-

    Because it appears to have a higher propensity for mutation, and
    appears far more inherenetly dangerous. Ergo it is different, and
    doesn't show any sign of going away like for argument sake the spanish flu.

    Actually, it's not particularly high. The goal of vaccination long term is to get enough immunity in the community, so that future COVID infections are nothing more than another variant of the common cold, in practice. Eventually, vaccination may not be needed, if it stays in circulation, among a population now naturally immune through constant exposure. Occasionally, a mutant may sneak through our defences, but our generic defences against COVID-19 will be able to kick in, before any damage is done.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Sunday, April 25, 2021 08:12:00
    On 04-23-21 21:35, Ogg wrote to Adept <=-

    Considering that the success rate to fight covid naturally is
    98%, and the possibility to catch it is pretty low if avoiding

    At what cost? Long COVID? Permanent multiple organ damage, especially cardiovascular? The odds of those things happening are very high, at least
    0%.



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Elf on Sunday, April 25, 2021 08:16:00
    On 04-24-21 08:30, Elf wrote to Ogg <=-

    At the end of the day, whether to take this vaccine or not should
    remain a personal decision.

    Yep, agree. It is over here. Even in my fire service, while we have higher priority, they've stated in writing that it's a personal choice. It's not compulsory, and they'll not have access to records of who has or hasn't been vaccinated.

    Anyway, the whole situation is that vaccines aren't perfect, and there's risks of taking them. There's risks of not taking them. What's crisical is that the scientific and medical community makes sure that we have balanced and accurate information available, on which we can make an informed decision. And the responsibility of the manufacturers of vaccines here is to ensure that they maintain their part of the information up to date as new knowledge comes to light.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Vk3jed on Saturday, April 24, 2021 17:39:51
    Re: Re: Just dropping by...
    By: Vk3jed to Spectre on Sun Apr 25 2021 08:08 am

    Actually, it's not particularly high. The goal of vaccination long term is get enough immunity in the community, so that future COVID infections are nothing more than another variant of the common cold, in practice. Eventual vaccination may not be needed, if it stays in circulation, among a populatio now naturally immune through constant exposure. Occasionally, a mutant may sneak through our defences, but our generic defences against COVID-19 will b able to kick in, before any damage is done.


    I have just heard of a patient of ours who got an antibody test after been vaccinated with sufficient time, and had no antibodies found. I hope it was a botched test.

    One of the doctors mentioned that, knowing the Spaniard style, he didn't believe it remotely possible that vaccines that require to be kept cold to extreme levels can be delivered from factory to patient without breaking the cold chain. He said we are too lazy for that :-S

    I personally think vaccines are going to bring transmission down to very low levels, but I am a pessimistic guy in nature and I am not betting for it. Hope the best and prepare for the worst.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to fusion on Sunday, April 25, 2021 00:50:25
    efficacy, known (and perhaps yet unknown) side effects.

    pls don't get big mad it's not like i'm advocating against getting them

    I'm glad to hear it, though I think it was mostly my inclination of, "Please make the prediction something we can check back on, and that you should put yourself in enough of a corner that you can't claim success regardless of
    what happens".

    Or say, "this was terrible!" when 1 in 100k people having serious side
    effects isn't the best for vaccines, I think it's still a great success if
    it's 60% effective at keeping people from getting the virus, and greater for stopping people from getting bad virus effects.

    But, yeah, if it's 10% effective, that 1 in 100k risk becomes pretty questionable.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Sunday, April 25, 2021 01:01:49
    Considering that the success rate to fight covid naturally is
    98%, and the possibility to catch it is pretty low if avoiding

    That's not the part I was talking about - the success rate on not dying from COVID immediately is 98%.

    As I said:

    To be fair, the cardiovascular degradation aspects of COVID
    are pretty scary. And, honestly, are the primary reason why
    COVID concerns me, rather than the immediate death risk.

    Some study had 91% of COVID survivors who reported at least one long-term effect they were still suffering from.

    That stat is questionable, but long-term effects of COVID are the scary bits
    -- not whether or not you survive.

    I mean, facing death is _also_ scary with a 2% chance of dying for something that you might catch every year or two going forward, but, eh.

    Anyway, I'm wondering if we've gone too far down this rabbit hole again. I'll try to further limit my responses going forward so we can get back on to
    other topics.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Vk3jed on Saturday, April 24, 2021 20:03:33
    BY: Vk3jed(21:1/109)


    |11V|09> |10At what cost? Long COVID? Permanent multiple organ damage, especially|07
    |11V|09> |10cardiovascular? The odds of those things happening are very high, at|07
    |11V|09> |10least|07
    Its like playing russian roulette, some people may have no issues. Others may have dire issues like organ failures or death. Someone personally I know with heavy diabetes issues lost his kidney function due to the rona.

    I am a vaccine skeptic, but I did do the vaccine. I just want people to be cautious, find the best choice of the two or three they might have and go from there.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Sunday, April 25, 2021 02:13:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 01:01, Adept wrote to Ogg:

    Some study had 91% of COVID survivors who reported at least
    one long-term effect they were still suffering from.

    Who is determinung what is "long-term"? This thing is isn't even
    2 years old. Out bodies have great ability to heal.

    That stat is questionable, but long-term effects of COVID
    are the scary bits -- not whether or not you survive.

    It is possible that the lingering complaints of discomfort are longer-lasting. But it doesn't mean that the damage is
    permanent. It's too soon to tell - really.

    I mean, facing death is _also_ scary with a 2% chance of
    dying for something that you might catch every year or two
    going forward, but, eh.

    People have died from the flu all the time.

    Anyway, I'm wondering if we've gone too far down this rabbit
    hole again. I'll try to further limit my responses going
    forward so we can get back on to other topics.

    This is a very personal topic for all of us and can be hard to
    talk about.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Ogg on Saturday, April 24, 2021 23:30:54
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10This is a very personal topic for all of us and can be hard to |07 |11O|09> |10talk about.|07
    Yes, its a touchy issue. However I was being objective and fair in my earlier reply.



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Utopian Galt on Sunday, April 25, 2021 03:32:00
    Hello Utopian Galt!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 23:30, Utopian Galt wrote to Ogg:

    |11O|09> |10This is a very personal topic for all of us and can be hard
    to |07 |11O|09> |10talk about.|07

    Sorry.. I'm *not* cleaning that up! :D

    Yes, its a touchy issue. However I was being objective and
    fair in my earlier reply.

    Ah yes.. the reply to V3kjed. It would seem that a lot of people
    are diabetic or pre-diabetic and already live on a precarious
    ledge. At least they have a choice to take the risk of the jab
    and hope for the best.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sunday, April 25, 2021 18:03:00
    Actually, it's not particularly high.

    On the face of it, and I'm not running with any facts. It appears to be more mutation prone than regular flu. At the same time you don't hear anything about how many flu variants there actually are.

    The goal of vaccination long term is to get enough immunity
    in the community, so that future COVID infections are nothing
    more than another variant of the common cold, in practice.
    Eventually, vaccination may not be needed, if it stays in
    circulation, among a population now naturally immune through
    constant exposure. Occasionally, a mutant may sneak through
    our defences, but our generic defences against COVID-19 will
    be able to kick in, before any damage is done.

    This sounds good in theory. If we're waiting for "herd" immunity then it might take generations to achieve. Look at pox and plague type diseases of the past. I'll hope for the best and expect the worst.

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Spectre on Sunday, April 25, 2021 08:45:00
    Hello Spectre!

    ** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 18:03, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed:

    On the face of it, and I'm not running with any facts. It
    appears to be more mutation prone than regular flu. At the
    same time you don't hear anything about how many flu
    variants there actually are.

    I think it was on 60 Minutes about two weeks ago in one of the
    reports a Dr showed a chart depicting the detection of the
    variants. It looked a lot like the image that shows the
    branching/forks of new Linux distros. There were hundreds if
    not thousand of them.

    But only a handful were of concern for particular reasons.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Ogg on Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:53:41
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10Ah yes.. the reply to V3kjed. It would seem that a lot of people |07
    |11O|09> |10are diabetic or pre-diabetic and already live on a precarious |07 |11O|09> |10ledge. At least they have a choice to take the risk of the jab |07
    |11O|09> |10and hope for the best.|07
    I am pre-diabetic, and I took the shot. I am also trying to reduce my soda consumption. (instead of 3-4 cans a day, i shoot for 0-1 a day). A1C at 5.9, I want to get my A1C level down 0.2.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Utopian Galt on Sunday, April 25, 2021 14:36:00
    Hello Utopian Galt!

    ** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 10:53, Utopian Galt wrote to Ogg:

    I am pre-diabetic, and I took the shot. I am also trying to
    reduce my soda consumption. (instead of 3-4 cans a day, i
    shoot for 0-1 a day). A1C at 5.9, I want to get my A1C
    level down 0.2.

    I didn't think I would go through a sugar-withdrawl/craving
    addiction. But there were some times when I simply couldn't sit
    still imagining that <insert favourite sweet/snack> would be a
    nice right about then.

    But I made sure most empty cal processed foods with added sugar
    were simply not in the house. I threw out 20lbs of which sugar
    alone.


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  • From Elf@21:4/122 to Utopian Galt on Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:31:00
    Utopian Galt wrote to Ogg <=-

    I am pre-diabetic, and I took the shot. I am also trying to reduce my
    soda consumption. (instead of 3-4 cans a day, i shoot for 0-1 a day).
    A1C at 5.9, I want to get my A1C level down 0.2.

    Have you tried (or do you have access to) the La Croix sparkling water
    canned drinks? They have a lot of "flavors" to choose from. They call
    their flavoring some sort of "essence" of the flavor. Either way, for
    someone trying to get off the soda wagon, they provide what I think is
    a good replacement in that they are surgar free, artificial flavor free
    and 0 calories. But you still get the experience of holding a can of
    "soda," popping open the tab, carbonation, etc. I really like them.

    From the can:
    Ingredients: ONLY carbonated water, naturally essenced. (Non-GMO)

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Elf on Sunday, April 25, 2021 23:53:51
    Have you tried (or do you have access to) the La Croix sparkling water canned drinks? They have a lot of "flavors" to choose from. They call

    To add to that, my experience in getting to like sparkling water, and
    flavored sparkling water started when I tried lower-sugar carbonated
    beverages.

    And I don't mean, "and has fake sugar", as I find those to have a terrible fake-sugar flavor.

    I mean things like "Dry", which is a brand of soda pop that'll come in
    flavors like Rhubarb, juniper berry, Cucumber, and a few others. It's more expensive, but it's a nice middle ground when you're used to
    high-sugar-content drinks.

    But these days I tend to get whichever sparkling water is cheapest.

    In Germany, this meant that I had to get used to unflavored sparkling water, but there the sparkling water is _super_ cheap. Or at least can be. Cheap and common enough that having carbonated water come from the tap is fairly normal.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 26, 2021 17:05:55
    *** Quoting poindexter FORTRAN from a message to Adept ***

    My wife was frustrated that our grocery store was out of
    lime-flavored mineral water. I reminded her that they sold LIMES in
    the fruit aisle.

    This is what we've started doing. We have a soda stream and either squeeze lime into our bubbly water, or more lately we've taken to jucing a bunch of either lemons or limes at once and pouring the juice into icecube trays.

    pF> Experimenting with flavored waters was all well and good until my son
    pF> tried to make bacon water.

    It's said that bacon makes anything better, but you just may have found the one thing it doesn't!


    Jay

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 26, 2021 17:07:20
    *** Quoting poindexter FORTRAN from a message to Adept ***

    Starting from scratch was what kept me running Telegard until 1995,
    then Maximus until 2005.

    And some of us refuse to let them die... ;)


    Jay

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  • From lynx769@21:1/172 to Warpslide on Monday, April 26, 2021 17:55:45
    This is what we've started doing. We have a soda stream and either squeeze lime into our bubbly water, or more lately we've taken to jucing
    a bunch of either lemons or limes at once and pouring the juice into icecube trays.

    I second this. That's what I do. Soda Stream + limes. I do buy Topo Chico
    lime flavor when it's available, but mostly just to have something convenient when I don't feel like working for it.

    I was a huge diet coke addict until I learned that artificial sweeteners
    still cause an insulin response even though there is no sugar or calories in it.

    Lachlan

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Ogg on Monday, April 26, 2021 21:17:58
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10I noticed the following drink product in the stores. It purports |07
    |11O|09> |10zero sugar too, but the glaring ingredient is erythritol:|07
    I felt the la croix un cola tasted even worse than coke zero :(

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 04:44:09
    I find the warning interesting, USAGE: 1 BOTTLE MAXIMUM DAILY.
    Oh yeah.. then that's super healthy. :/

    Or possibly just edgy to show everyone how you're living on the, err, edge.
    Not that I have any idea on how risky the ingredient is.

    Though this also reminds me of breakfast cereals that advertised being cholesterol free.

    At which point I'm going, "...wait, are you saying that breakfast cereals _normally_ are made with animal products?"

    Or Salt Sense, where it's salt that has 33% (or something) less sodium per teaspoon.

    Which seems pretty amazing, considering that it, table salt, kosher salt, and sea salt are over 99% made of sodium chloride by weight. Which means that the only thing you're getting more of is air.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Warpslide on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:33:42
    Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    This is what we've started doing. We have a soda stream and either squeeze lime into our bubbly water, or more lately we've taken to
    jucing a bunch of either lemons or limes at once and pouring the juice into icecube trays.

    We just cut lemons and limes up and leave them in a ziplock bag in the fridge then grab a piece or two and squeeze into the glass. So used to it now when
    I tried a real 7-up I almost went into a sugar coma. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Arelor on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 21:08:00
    On 04-24-21 17:39, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I have just heard of a patient of ours who got an antibody test after
    been vaccinated with sufficient time, and had no antibodies found. I
    hope it was a botched test.

    Interesting.

    One of the doctors mentioned that, knowing the Spaniard style, he
    didn't believe it remotely possible that vaccines that require to be
    kept cold to extreme levels can be delivered from factory to patient without breaking the cold chain. He said we are too lazy for that :-S

    Apparently, if managed properly, the cold chain doesn't have to be that cold all the time. And not all vaccines require that level of cold.

    I personally think vaccines are going to bring transmission down to
    very low levels, but I am a pessimistic guy in nature and I am not
    betting for it. Hope the best and prepare for the worst.

    We have to be vigilant, but I think in the short term, we can keep the worst things from happening to most people, and in the medium term, have it manageable with a (mostly) vaccinated population. And in the long term, assuming the virus becomes endemic (if it isn't already), it may become just another cold that circulates, since everyone will have a degree of immunity from constant exposure. We may or may not need the vaccines to help maintain that status quo (like we do with the flu).


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Utopian Galt on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 21:13:00
    On 04-24-21 20:03, Utopian Galt wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Its like playing russian roulette, some people may have no issues.
    Others may have dire issues like organ failures or death. Someone personally I know with heavy diabetes issues lost his kidney function
    due to the rona.

    Either way, you're playing Russian roulette, but there's a difference in the odds. :)

    I am a vaccine skeptic, but I did do the vaccine. I just want people to
    be cautious, find the best choice of the two or three they might have
    and go from there.

    As long as we're able to make an informed decision, I'm OK with it. I also went down the vaccine road. I liked the odds much better. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 21:19:00
    On 04-25-21 18:03, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Actually, it's not particularly high.

    On the face of it, and I'm not running with any facts. It appears to be more mutation prone than regular flu. At the same time you don't hear anything about how many flu variants there actually are.

    Bird flu? Swine flu? H1N1? And of course, the Spanish flu, to name a few. :)

    This sounds good in theory. If we're waiting for "herd" immunity then
    it might take generations to achieve. Look at pox and plague type
    diseases of the past.
    I'll hope for the best and expect the worst.

    In the meantime, keep your shots up to date. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 21:40:00
    On 04-25-21 01:01, Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    That stat is questionable, but long-term effects of COVID are the scary bits -- not whether or not you survive.

    In my book, many of those are potentially a fate worse than death. I rely a lot on being very active, and COVID is a clear risk to that, far greater than 2% (and if that 2% panned out, I wouldn't have to worry anyway ;) ).


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Utopian Galt on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 21:47:00
    On 04-25-21 10:53, Utopian Galt wrote to Ogg <=-

    I am pre-diabetic, and I took the shot. I am also trying to reduce my
    soda consumption. (instead of 3-4 cans a day, i shoot for 0-1 a day).
    A1C at 5.9, I want to get my A1C level down 0.2.

    Well done. I was never big on soda, but I've also since cut my sugar intake right down. Not that I ever had a weight or diabetes problem, but I didn't like all that unnecessary sugar intake. I certainly won't miss it, and I'm able to have a rare treat if I want.


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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 14:01:59
    Have you tried (or do you have access to) the La Croix sparkling wate canned drinks? They have a lot of "flavors" to choose from. They call their flavoring some sort of "essence" of the flavor.

    I usually drink La Croix. I usually drink alot of it when i am stoned so i
    can kill cotton mouth, and not get all sugered up / caffenated at night when
    i smoke. There is another drink like it they sell at walmart called bubbles
    or something like that which is ok as well. my stepson hates both those kind
    of drinks as he says it tastes like hair spray, lol.
    I have found too after drinking Lacroix for a while, that i dont really care for sugar drinks as much as i did, or ones with artifical sweetner. they
    often are too sweet now for my taste. if im feeling like bill gates, then i will get a 6 pakc of o'duels or alchol free Hineken beer. :-) so i can still get the taste of beer + plus a positive stone from weed = no hang over lol.

    Thanks
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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 14:23:12
    Experimenting with flavored waters was all well and good until my son tried to make bacon water.

    haha thats funny! did he actaully drink it?

    Thanks
    - Gamecube Buddy

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to niter3 on Wednesday, April 28, 2021 18:11:56
    Re: Just dropping by...
    By: niter3 to Arelor on Mon Apr 26 2021 11:13 am

    When I was younger my family dragged me to their vacations and I was not much
    a fan of travelling to highly populated areas. The really "cool" places to vis
    are full of people, and people sucks, hence those placs suck :-) There are som
    good places to visit, but often they make for a three days visit tops, not a f
    "vacation". And they are rarely good enough to justify getting away from the
    horses so...

    My vacations are basically renting out a house in Florida and sitting by the pool a
    only going out when we feel like it. :)

    That sounds nice if you can pull it off. Are you a city dweller when not on vacation?

    I have noticed that rural areas get flooded by people from Madrid around here. Madrid
    people is always swearing their city is the best place to live in Spain but they
    escape from it as soon as they can in order to enjoy any other place. I think most
    peple where I live does not think there are many vacation spots that are better than
    their village.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Sunday, April 25, 2021 19:39:00
    Who is determinung what is "long-term"? This thing is isn't even 2
    years old. Out bodies have great ability to heal.

    At this point long-term would simply cover any ongoing problems post recovery. Although you could probably argue if you still have problems you're still in recovery. The only one that comes to mind is the "scarred lungs" can't see that going away, although scarring may change in nature over time.

    Spec

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to niter3 on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 07:38:00
    God, I hope not. I'm so tired of this crap. :| I want to get on with life again.

    Hang in there, it'll get to be "normal" one day. For the time being it still seems to be onward and upward for covid.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, April 29, 2021 13:55:00
    Bird flu? Swine flu? H1N1? And of course, the Spanish flu, to name
    a few. :)

    Phrrpt. That are new variants each year. I believe current "flu shots" are a stab in the dark at what researchers think are going to be the next big thing and usually include 3-4 possible variations. Implying the "flu" has many "minor" variations each year. Just how many, shrug?

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Thursday, April 29, 2021 14:05:00
    Or Salt Sense, where it's salt that has 33% (or something) less sodium per teaspoon.

    They could well be using a non-sodium salt... there's plenty to go round. Alternatively no salt at all... My mother used to have a "recipe" for synthetic salt that was all herbs... it wasn't the same, but it'd do in a pinch.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Spectre on Thursday, April 29, 2021 05:17:33
    Or Salt Sense, where it's salt that has 33% (or something) less sodiu teaspoon.

    They could well be using a non-sodium salt... there's plenty to go round.

    Potassium chloride is definitely a salt that people on low-sodium diets have used.

    But Salt Sense really is just sodium chloride with bigger crystals so that there's more air in the product. Being that kosher salt _also_ has bigger crystals, it's not even the only basically-pure-salt product that has less sodium per teaspoon.

    There might be _some_ reason for its existence, since I don't know how different the shape of the crystals are, and theoretically there's some use
    to that.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 06:45:00
    Ogg wrote to Elf <=-

    I noticed the following drink product in the stores. It purports
    zero sugar too, but the glaring ingredient is erythritol:

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/0-sugar-IMG_20210426_164928_r89df78q.jpg

    Erythritol is a sugar alcohol. Sweet, but not processed in the body like regular sugar.

    I find the warning interesting, USAGE: 1 BOTTLE MAXIMUM DAILY.
    Oh yeah.. then that's super healthy. :/

    Not unhealthy, per se, but a habit of more than a can a day could have a "cleansing" quality, if you get my meaning.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 06:50:00
    Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    Or Salt Sense, where it's salt that has 33% (or something) less sodium
    per teaspoon.

    Which seems pretty amazing, considering that it, table salt, kosher
    salt, and sea salt are over 99% made of sodium chloride by weight.
    Which means that the only thing you're getting more of is air.

    There are other chlorides that taste vaguely salty but don't contain sodium. My mom used to cook with it because of my father's high blood pressure. I suppose they're blending it with table salt to get the 33% reduction.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 06:51:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Adept <=-

    On 04-25-21 01:01, Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    That stat is questionable, but long-term effects of COVID are the scary bits -- not whether or not you survive.

    In my book, many of those are potentially a fate worse than death.

    For a moment, I thought we had another author on board. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 06:53:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    Well done. I was never big on soda, but I've also since cut my sugar intake right down. Not that I ever had a weight or diabetes problem,
    but I didn't like all that unnecessary sugar intake. I certainly won't miss it, and I'm able to have a rare treat if I want.

    After 2 weeks of eating only potatoes after a lifetime of diet coke, I reset my sugar scale. Food can taste sweet to me now - and processed food can
    taste unnecessarily sugary and salty.




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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:21:25
    *** Quoting poindexter FORTRAN from a message to Ogg ***

    Not unhealthy, per se, but a habit of more than a can a day could
    have a "cleansing" quality, if you get my meaning.

    There's a warning on these sugar free cookies that contain Sorbitol:

    https://voortman.com/product/sugar-free-chocolate-wafers/

    "Excess consumption may cause a laxative effect in sensitive persons."


    I think I'd rather just eat real sugar...


    Jay

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Warpslide on Thursday, April 29, 2021 16:26:25
    Re: Re: benefits still outweigh the risks..
    By: Warpslide to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 29 2021 11:21 am

    *** Quoting poindexter FORTRAN from a message to Ogg ***

    Not unhealthy, per se, but a habit of more than a can a day could
    have a "cleansing" quality, if you get my meaning.

    There's a warning on these sugar free cookies that contain Sorbitol:

    https://voortman.com/product/sugar-free-chocolate-wafers/

    "Excess consumption may cause a laxative effect in sensitive persons."


    I think I'd rather just eat real sugar...


    Jay

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    You have to take a whole lot of anti-sugars in order to notice an adverse effect, at least short term.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, April 29, 2021 18:35:06
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN(21:4/122)


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    Yeah dont do that while at work :)


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, April 30, 2021 05:17:36
    There are other chlorides that taste vaguely salty but don't contain sodium. My mom used to cook with it because of my father's high blood pressure. I suppose they're blending it with table salt to get the 33% reduction.

    I know you probably read my later message where I pointed out that this is
    not the case with Salt Sense.

    I wasn't just _guessing_ that Salt Sense included nothing more than air to
    have 33% less salt per teaspoon; I'm telling you that this is, in fact, what the product is.

    And this is another aspect of why the marketing bothers me -- it's misleading enough that two people have assumed that I was incorrect.

    https://www.amazon.com/Salt-Sense-Iodized-3-pack/dp/B07GZ7TK22
    It says, "Real salt with 33% less Sodium - not a salt substitute"

    You can even read the back label, that talks about how it's "less dense than ordinary salt".

    So it's not misleading if you read far enough and think through it, but
    people don't -- as is evidenced by two people being sure I wasn't talking
    about salt with extra air.

    Lite salt, on the other hand, has half the sodium chloride replaced with potassium chloride, and is probably what you're thinking of.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Warpslide on Friday, April 30, 2021 05:36:10
    There's a warning on these sugar free cookies that contain Sorbitol: "Excess consumption may cause a laxative effect in sensitive persons."

    This is one reason why I'm inclined to choose Red Vines over Strawberry Twizzlers.

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  • From Underminer@21:4/103 to All on Friday, April 23, 2021 15:49:51

    Ahh the staycation... I don't think you're going to get anywhere near "normal" for a number of years at this point. Given its rate of mutation, you'd have to think this is going to go on for some time :/


    The bright side of mutation is that with pathogens they *often* get less deadly over time. While it's too early to say with significant assurance, that does at first blush to be the case with some of the new variants - infection rates seem to be going up faster than hospitalization/deaths. Though that could also be related to the fact we're getting significant installed base for vaccines amongst the highest risk groups at this point.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, May 02, 2021 19:18:00
    On 04-29-21 13:55, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Bird flu? Swine flu? H1N1? And of course, the Spanish flu, to name
    a few. :)

    Phrrpt. That are new variants each year. I believe current "flu shots" are a stab in the dark at what researchers think are going to be the
    next big thing and usually include 3-4 possible variations. Implying
    the "flu" has many "minor" variations each year. Just how many, shrug?

    Yes, the vaccine manufacturers try to predict the few most likely strains and produce the vaccine for those. It's an educated guess, based on what's happening around the world.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 02, 2021 19:19:00
    On 04-27-21 06:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Adept <=-

    On 04-25-21 01:01, Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    That stat is questionable, but long-term effects of COVID are the scary bits -- not whether or not you survive.

    In my book, many of those are potentially a fate worse than death.

    For a moment, I thought we had another author on board. :)

    I don't follow. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 02, 2021 19:20:00
    On 04-27-21 06:53, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    After 2 weeks of eating only potatoes after a lifetime of diet coke, I reset my sugar scale. Food can taste sweet to me now - and processed
    food can taste unnecessarily sugary and salty.

    Yes, doesn't seem to take long. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Friday, April 30, 2021 06:39:00
    Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    There's a warning on these sugar free cookies that contain Sorbitol:

    https://voortman.com/product/sugar-free-chocolate-wafers/

    "Excess consumption may cause a laxative effect in sensitive persons."

    There's an Amazon review storm over sugar free gummi bears that contained sugar alcohols. Do a web search for "See you in hell, Haribo Sugar-Free
    Gummi Bears"


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Monday, May 03, 2021 06:18:00
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    In my book, many of those are potentially a fate worse than death.

    For a moment, I thought we had another author on board. :)

    I don't follow. :/

    I was on my first cup of coffee. When I read "In my book", I thought you
    were describing a medical thriller you were writing.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sunday, May 09, 2021 19:52:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 28.04.21 - 18:11, Arelor wrote to niter3:

    I have noticed that rural areas get flooded by people from
    Madrid around here. Madrid people is always swearing their
    city is the best place to live in Spain but they escape
    from it as soon as they can in order to enjoy any other
    place. I think most peple where I live does not think there
    are many vacation spots that are better than their village.

    The tourist crowd from the cities would be nice right about now
    from a biz point of view.

    I have lived most of my life now in the country/rural areas. I
    don't feel compelled to "escape" anywhere. The peace of the
    rural surroundings and the lake right next to me is a kind
    perpetual vacation spot.


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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to Ogg on Sunday, May 09, 2021 23:10:00
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    I have lived most of my life now in the country/rural areas. I
    don't feel compelled to "escape" anywhere. The peace of the
    rural surroundings and the lake right next to me is a kind
    perpetual vacation spot.

    Niiiiice. :-)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Monday, May 10, 2021 09:32:14
    Re: Just dropping by...
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun May 09 2021 07:52 pm

    I have lived most of my life now in the country/rural areas. I
    don't feel compelled to "escape" anywhere. The peace of the
    rural surroundings and the lake right next to me is a kind
    perpetual vacation spot.

    Yeah, your area is quite nice.

    Send my regards to the deer next time you see her.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Monday, May 10, 2021 07:17:00
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    I have lived most of my life now in the country/rural areas. I
    don't feel compelled to "escape" anywhere. The peace of the
    rural surroundings and the lake right next to me is a kind
    perpetual vacation spot.

    I used to go to the ocean to get away; now I can see the ocean out my back window, so we've had to get creative.


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  • From HSM@21:2/162 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 26, 2021 16:22:36
    On 26 Apr 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
    I always wondered if running JAM/Hudson or one of those other message formats that were in use by multiple boards would let you migrate from
    one to the other without losing your message base.

    It works for me. I have Mystic and Proboard sharing JAM bases and they get along fine.

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