What do you do to be comfortable? What products do you use? What chair/desk setup should I implement? I really like standing
desks - and for the amount of time I'm on these computers, I can afford to build whatever setup will make my back happy at t
end of the day.
My back hurts.
PAINFUL. And hurt. And cause me to have a back that screams at the end
of the day.
What do you do to be comfortable? What products do you use? What
What do you do to be comfortable? What products do you use?
I have a regular chair, a regular table, and a regular mouse and
keyboard.
Some piece of advice:
Regulate your chair so, when your elbows rest on the chair's elbow supports and the hands on the keyboard anf mouse, your arms
are more or less parallel to the ground.
Have some ergonomical pads for the keyboard and the mouse. This way, your wrists will rest on the pads when you are working
with the keyboard or mouse. If you do a whole lot of computer time, it makes a difference for your wrists.
Regulate your screen so you can look at it just by staring straight on - your vision line paralell to the ground. It is ok to
have the screen to one side of the desktop if you have not enough room, but you really want to avoid being looking up or down
your monitor.
Fancy expensive stuff is cool but you don't need that.
Often back problems are because of a slight slippage of a disk.
Does it ease if you gently push one of the disks back towards the spine? If so my chiropractor suggested two tennis balls tied closely together
in one sports sock, place the sock behind your back with one ball each side of your spine. This should gently ease the disk back.
Your idea might be better, but I think one more thing I'm gonna have to do is just make an appointment for a chiro... I *need* an hour massage, and
But anyway, this isn't possible with a laptop - it sits.. and your eyes follow the screen, which in my case is on a very low
coffee-table or my lap... terrible for the top of your spine. HORRIBLE.
I used to write short stories and Linux Magazine articles
using a laptop during bus trips. That was: low illumination,
crouching on the screen...
..and keyboard because there was not much room. I placed a
suitcase on my lap and the laptop on it (which greatly
improved things) and the laptop itself was one of the big
ones (big screen and keyboard, which made things bearable)
but after one hour of work you got fed up...
Although I still have the ability buried away in there
somewhere, I haven't been near a pool in so long now, I'd
probably drown :P
paulie420 wrote to Arelor <=-
Thanks; this is all great information. I mean, it should be common knowledge but... what happened is I slowly started to switch from
desktop computer use to laptop use, and during that process I moved
away from my 'desk' area - which I do like.. I prefer to 'compute'
where I live... wherever that may happen to be during the day. I think this is why the iPad is such a great device for 'couch' internetting... the way you hold it with two hands in front of you, allows for the
device to be right in your line of sight light you talk about, even
when its not parallel to the ground. It really is an intelligent way to 'hold' the internet.
But anyway, this isn't possible with a laptop - it sits.. and your eyes follow the screen, which in my case is on a very low coffee-table or my lap... terrible for the top of your spine. HORRIBLE.
So, I do like all of your options - and my office, desktop area, is
almost already there. I'm going to buy a computer chair & done. For the other areas, I need to grab some sort of standing-desk/platform and
some device that can elvate the laptop up to my line of sight... I
think I'll try standing at the kitchen table/higher counters.. I think I'll find a small standing platform, like a music-holder podium type thing. And, I'll try NOT to do computing while sitting in the couch, ever... Maybe I can add some cross-over chair, not comuter chair but
NOT a low, soft couch...
Thanks... I HAVE to do something. It's killing me. :/
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I used to write short stories and Linux Magazine articles
using a laptop during bus trips. That was: low illumination,
crouching on the screen...
Just how far back do you go writing for Linux mag?
From the few (free ones) that I've read, your technical English
is superb.
..and keyboard because there was not much room. I placed a
suitcase on my lap and the laptop on it (which greatly
improved things) and the laptop itself was one of the big
ones (big screen and keyboard, which made things bearable)
but after one hour of work you got fed up...
They shouldn't have been promoted as LAPtops. They should have
been called CROUCHtops. They're not bad when you can place
them over your outstretched legs when you are laying in bed.
Then, I'd put it on a "lap desk" product (which is basically a
shallow pillow with a hard surface attached to it). It prevents
the air vents from being compromised and ensures good operation
without overheating. The added height to bring the computer
closer to eye level is good too. That has been good to watch a
movie or two.
I see advertisers show laptops used over the soft blanket
materials on beds. NOT a good idea.
Unless you are encumbered by the weight of too much water-logged
clothing, the body has a natural tendency to float. A swimming
course put me through the exercise of jumping into the water fully clothed with long pants, coat and boots.. and the goal was to get
I find the lap desk idea interesting, but it sounds better for leissure activities than for getting work done.
I find the lap desk idea interesting, but it sounds better for leissure activities than for getting work done.
You'll have to raid the local hospital for one of those C shaped tables that rolls under the bed :)
Spec
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Well, I am always saying that laptops and portable devices are good for taking your work with you if need be, but for working
long spans of time they suck. Because of things like this :-)
I used to write short stories and Linux Magazine articles using a laptop during
bus trips. That was: low illumination,
crouching on the screen and keyboard because there was not much room. I placed a suitcase on my lap and the laptop on it (which
greatly improved things) and the laptop itself was one of the big ones (big screen and keyboard, which made things bearable)
but after one hour of work you got fed up...
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Swimming used to be my go to, until after I had surgery.. To some degree hanging from something would help too... bit of light decompression..
but I only did that in conjunction with the swimming.
Although I still have the ability buried away in there somewhere, I haven't been near a pool in so long now, I'd probably drown :P
Spec
You'll have to raid the local hospital for one of those C shaped tables that rolls under the bed :)
On 03-08-21 19:09, Spectre wrote to paulie420 <=-
Your idea might be better, but I think one more thing I'm gonna have to do is just make an appointment for a chiro... I *need* an hour massage, and
Swimming used to be my go to, until after I had surgery.. To some
degree hanging from something would help too... bit of light decompression.. but I only did that in conjunction with the swimming.
Although I still have the ability buried away in there somewhere, I haven't been near a pool in so long now, I'd probably drown :P
On 03-08-21 08:02, Ogg wrote to Spectre <=-
Unless you are encumbered by the weight of too much water-logged
clothing, the body has a natural tendency to float. A swimming
course put me through the exercise of jumping into the water
fully clothed with long pants, coat and boots.. and the goal was
to get the boots off and most of the outer clothing off and make
a sort of "floatation device" out of the pants. But even
without the hacked floatation device, all one had to do was
relax and let the body stabilize on its back. Unless the water
would be unusually choppy, it would be easy to keep one's head
out of the water high enough to breath.
On 03-08-21 09:22, paulie420 wrote to Spectre <=-
Thanks for the suggestions - I used to love swimming, too, but same as
you haven't done so in so long... I think I could 'jump right back in', lol, but haven't.
For most people, yes. I tend not to float, did some
experiments at the local pool..
I still have to make some active movements to keep my head
above water, unless I have a floatation device (life jacket,
etc) of some sort. And that's without clothers (well a pair
of Speedos isn't going to make a lot of difference ;) ).
You'll have to raid the local hospital for one of those C shaped tables rolls under the bed :)
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I happen to be connected with people in the health industry and I am a supplier of technical aids myself. Maybe next time I have to order a
wheel chair or walker from factory I include a C table :-)
Only one way to find out - just make sure the lifeguard is watching, just
On 03-09-21 08:28, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes.. in freshwater, some fanning movement of the arms/hands is
required. But the legs can be left loose and relaxed. The key
is to be on your back, head tilted back so that the nose is at
its highest point ...and relax. You could also intake a chunk
of air and hold it for a few seconds. And then let out that air
for some more while at the same time increasing the fanning of
the hands/arms so that your head is higher above the water for
those extra seconds.
In your case, if you have a tendency to sink, all you have to do
is increase the arm movements in an improvised backstroke. The
body will orientate horizontally when you do that. So, point
yourself to shore and to a slow, relaxed backstroke to get
there.
On 03-10-21 07:59, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Only one way to find out - just make sure the lifeguard is watching, just
I have been working on it slowly, local pool is within walking
distance. But I've actually got to get out and walk too, so I've been waiting to get that walk to a comfortable amount of exertion before I
stop in the middle and swim... make sure I can walk back again :)
What do you do to be comfortable? What products do you use? What...
I have an office in my house, where my iMac lives - but I hardly use the area.
I'll try NOT to do computing while sitting in the couch, ever... Maybe I can add some cross-over chair, not comuter chair but NOT a low, soft couch...
But to actually answer your question, if you're like me, I'd aim for a chair that allows me to sit in a wide variety of ways. Especially if you already have pain, being able to switch positions to _something_ else seems invaluable.
If only they made TV-tray-like-items that could hold the laptop in the right spot while you used it.
Or hold a screen, anyway, while using a separate keyboard also somehow situated to work ergonomically.
Your bean bag doesn't sound half bad, altho I haven't played in the VR world just yet!!
theory. I dunno what the laptop is 'on', but I just move it to anywhere
in the 3d world and it just stays there. Oh, yea... and looks awesome [invisible?] and is unobtrusive. :P
You'll have to raid the local hospital for one of those C shaped tables that rolls under the bed :)
Hmm. So it _does_ exist, just that people have no clue what the heck
it's called.
I like the concept.
Yeah, I was imagining one of those arms that sometimes hold up screens, but you can use to set the angle and height.
But I don't really know how you'd use them without having them screwed into the wall or floor. I suppose if you made the base heavy enough, you could make it work, but it's not something I'm aware of existing (but could totally believe that it does. Even if I can't think of useful
terms to search with).
I like the concept.
Sounds like you need something like this ;)
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/b17fortress_sperry_ball_turret.ht
like, ummm derp - I should have been doing so over the past year while
in social distance - but the VR thing where you can watch Netflix or a movie together, and be sitting next to eachother in a movie theater. [Or so I've heard...]
So I've heard of some of my friends playing in VR - both using the better systems and the new Facebook one, that you need FB with... looks really
My brother got the Oculuses for me and for my mom so that we could play minigolf as a weekly family thing.
And it works pretty well.
The theater idea seems neat (and it definitely exists on the device), though I think I'd have to plan on likely leaving part way through due
to motion sickness or having a headache.
I also wonder how quickly avatars will improve.
Yeah, the Facebook integration is irritating, and Facebook ownership is frightening.
All I'd need is a plane to hang it from!
but it'd probably have to be two or three times as large as that ball turret.
So you have the one that integrates with FB - I kinda already heard
some, but do you like it? I wanna play... its $299 right?
Regardless, the price and features of the cheaper FB one seems cool - at least to jump into the space, anyway. From what I hear, while there are better MORE expensive options, what you get for that smaller price of
So you find that you can't play in VR for more than an hour or so???
but it'd probably have to be two or three times as large as that ball turret.
Where there's a will..
Adept wrote to Spectre <=-
...but it'd probably have to be two or three times as large as that
ball turret.
Adept wrote to paulie420 <=-
My brother got the Oculuses for me and for my mom so that we could play minigolf as a weekly family thing.
Adept wrote to paulie420 <=-
You might end up paying more for accessories (e.g., I got insert lenses
so that I can use it without wearing glasses / using the glasses
spacer, and will probably pick up a different head strap when I visit
the US) and games, of course.
Adept wrote to Spectre <=-
I do wonder at what point it becomes reasonable to order a massive quantity of foam and enough tape to make a terribly-built isolation
cube. Need space for cables? Just tunnel a hole in the foam.
I read that sensory deprivation tanks are back in vogue - although
they call it something else now, like Neutral Buoyancy tanks or something.
Microsoft's Ignite conference apparently made the keynote and other sessions available via Oculus. I was tempted to borrow one for it to see how it worked, but was unable to.
So you have the one that integrates with FB - I kinda already heard some, but do you like it? I wanna play... its $299 right?
Yeah, that's the Oculus Quest 2 that I have. It cost me more than that because of having to buy it from the UK, but you're in the US, so it should be easy enough to get.
You might end up paying more for accessories (e.g., I got insert lenses
so that I can use it without wearing glasses / using the glasses spacer, and will probably pick up a different head strap when I visit the US)
and games, of course.
Regardless, the price and features of the cheaper FB one seems cool - least to jump into the space, anyway. From what I hear, while there a better MORE expensive options, what you get for that smaller price of
I haven't had much experience with other VR devices, and the Oculus
Quest 2 makes things pretty easy out of the box -- you don't have to set up anything in your space, other than clearing an area.
Honestly, aside from the forced Facebook integration (which, if I were choosing devices on my own, may have made it a non-starter), I think it's pretty solid.
Yes, there are occasionally graphical things that could be better, and
I'm sure will be better in future versions, but we're doing the
equivalent of strapping a $300 phone to our heads. They're not going to work miracles, even if future versions will be better.
Honestly, using an Oculus is an excuse to use Facebook _less_, because it's best to tie as little things together as possible.
Much like how the Google ecosystem is risky, so it's best practice to
not use your gmail account for anything but what you have to.
So you find that you can't play in VR for more than an hour or so???
Yeah. I've definitely played for longer, but if there are skips in the game (where the display lags for a moment) or I'm playing a more-likely-to-induce-motion-sickness game, I'll be done sooner.
Supposedly motion sickness in VR is something you _shouldn't_ push through, as it trains your body to associate being sick with using VR.
But I've had really long minigolf games (generally because one person
has to do something in the outside world for a while, so the other two
of us wander about on the courses looking for things while chatting),
and headaches from the strap seem to be a bigger issue.
But I think my propensity for getting motion sickness or getting a headache are higher than normal.
I didn't know they had the ability to insert lenses into it. The biggest
damper on my initial experiences with google cardboard was having progressive lenses and not getting my glasses to fit well inside. What's
I'm more about AR, am waiting for a Google glass solution with bluetooth and prescription lenses. Make the ear pieces bone conductive and I'm
I read that sensory deprivation tanks are back in vogue - although they call it something else now, like Neutral Buoyancy tanks or something.
Its so odd, these days, while we have computers in everything; namely
our $1000 cell phones that are super powerful on their own - just seems like some hardware is getting more reasonable... lol, while the cell phones have ample horsepower their prices tend to stay higher than anything.
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But I worked on smart glasses for a project, and the whole AR aspect of things seems like there will be some situations where it's really
nifty. Though I'm not sure if it's so nifty that makes it necessary
over having some hands-free solution that involves a phone or tablet.
Starstorm wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I know a company that has been working on a VR interview series. They managed to get one recorded with Stan Lee before he passed away, Kevin Smith did the interview (at Stan Lee's request). Nothing has been
publicly released yet though.
Adept wrote to paulie420 <=-
My brother got the Oculuses for me and for my mom so that we could pl minigolf as a weekly family thing.
Microsoft's Ignite conference apparently made the keynote and other sessions available via Oculus. I was tempted to borrow one for it to see how it worked, but was unable to.
My wife worked for years at a company that put on huge customer-facing events like that on the web, it'll be interesting when the barrier of entry drops on hardware and AR/VR just works. Say goodbye to those
travel budgets, although I'm sure some cultures will need the Vegas
junket as a perk.
One thing that does pale with virtual events - Virtual Swag. at Ignite 2019, they gave out "free" PDFs.
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Adept wrote to paulie420 <=-
You might end up paying more for accessories (e.g., I got insert lens so that I can use it without wearing glasses / using the glasses spacer, and will probably pick up a different head strap when I visit the US) and games, of course.
I didn't know they had the ability to insert lenses into it. The biggest damper on my initial experiences with google cardboard was having progressive lenses and not getting my glasses to fit well inside. What's the point of VR when it's all fuzzy? :)
I'm more about AR, am waiting for a Google glass solution with bluetooth and prescription lenses. Make the ear pieces bone conductive and I'm
sold.
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I'm more about AR, am waiting for a Google glass solution with
bluetooth and prescription lenses. Make the ear pieces bone
conductive and I'm sold.
gcubebuddy wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It cracks me up that when google glass came out and people were
misusing the tech, people started calling the ones using it,
"glass-holes" lol. i would love to see what apple produces in the
way of AR / VR glasses.
A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments, and
makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
Q: Why do so many people object to top posting?
A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to
rather than below it.
Q: What is "top posting"?
Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments, and
makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
Q: Why do so many people object to top posting?
A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to
rather than below it.
Q: What is "top posting"?
You could add over quoting to that, for them that does it... a 3
page spiel for a short add which only seems to deal with parth of
the original :)
A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
..I'd put it on a "lap desk" product (which is basically a
shallow pillow with a hard surface attached to it). It
prevents the air vents from being compromised and ensures
good operation without overheating. The added height to
bring the computer closer to eye level is good too. That
has been good to watch a movie or two.
I see advertisers show laptops used over the soft blanket
materials on beds. NOT a good idea.
I don't like placing those things on my lap either. They get
hot and uncomfortable and it is bad for their airflow. No
bueno.
I find the lap desk idea interesting, but it sounds better
for leissure activities than for getting work done.
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