• Starlink approaches

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to All on Tuesday, February 23, 2021 21:32:00
    After subscribing for notification several months ago when
    Starlink would be available in my area.. I got a notice that I
    could qualify for a kit. But I decided, NO THANKS. It's too
    high a premium to enter.

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    ** Original area : "/FIDO2/INTERNET"
    ** Original message from : August Abolins@1:396/45.29
    ** Original message to : All
    ** Original date/time : 23 Feb 21, 21:26 >==================================================================<

    ** On Tuesday 23.02.21 - 19:48, August Abolins wrote to All:

    Starlink is now available for order to a limited number of users in your coverage area. Placing your order now will hold your place in line..

    Order Starlink

    Starlink is targeting coverage in your area in mid to late 2021. You will receive a notification once your Starlink is ready to ship.
    Hardware
    CA$649.00
    Service
    CA$129.00 /mo
    Shipping & Handling
    CA$65.00
    Est. Tax
    CA$92.82
    Due Today
    CA$129.00

    Uh.. no thanks.

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  • From Dmxrob@21:4/142 to Ogg on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 02:52:00
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10After subscribing for notification several months ago when |07 |11O|09> |10Starlink would be available in my area.. I got a notice that I |07 |11O|09> |10could qualify for a kit. But I decided, NO THANKS. It's too |07 |11O|09> |10high a premium to enter.|07
    Ditto. $99/month plus another $500 for the kit - too rich for my blood, especially when they can't "guarantee" any type of speed or latency. I'm fine with my slower speeds at our 2nd house, at least I know what I am getting and didn't have to put down $500 a month to get it!

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Dmxrob on Tuesday, February 23, 2021 22:15:00
    Hello Dmxrob!

    ** On Wednesday 24.02.21 - 02:52, Dmxrob wrote to Ogg:

    It's too high a premium to enter.|07

    Ditto. $99/month plus another $500 for the kit - too rich
    for my blood, especially when they can't "guarantee" any
    type of speed or latency. I'm fine with my slower speeds at
    our 2nd house, at least I know what I am getting and didn't
    have to put down $500 a month to get it!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    The reoccuring would only be $99(USD), not $500.

    I think the first payment (one of the monthly fees) would
    guarantee or reserve a kit for me. Maybe there are no more fees
    until the kit arrives.

    But at $1550CDN/yr + $715CDN for the hardware... for this thing
    called the internet? Sheesh.

    I'd wait it out until the 1st timers report back on the service.

    I would hope that the prices would fall after a while, but being
    Musk.. I would doubt it.


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Dmxrob on Thursday, February 25, 2021 13:19:49
    Re: Re: Starlink approaches
    By: Dmxrob to Ogg on Wed Feb 24 2021 02:52 am

    Ditto. $99/month plus another $500 for the kit - too rich for my blood, especially when they can't "guarantee" any type of speed or latency. I'm fine with my slower speeds at our 2nd house, at least I know what I am getting and didn't have to put
    down $500 a month to get it!

    Ditto,

    But they are taking a premium on the exchange rate.

    For me it was $139/month (US $110), plus $700 for hardware (US $557) and $100 (US $80) for shipping.

    In the words of a famous Australian movie - tell 'em they're dreamin'

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Thursday, February 25, 2021 20:59:01
    On 23 Feb 2021 at 09:32p, Ogg pondered and said...

    After subscribing for notification several months ago when
    Starlink would be available in my area.. I got a notice that I
    could qualify for a kit. But I decided, NO THANKS. It's too
    high a premium to enter.

    I got one also in New Zealand, the same sort of email as I too had said 'keep me posted' but they wanted $150+ per month.. and I pay less now for my fibre plan... so sadly no go for me also ... the lady of the house would not be
    happy if I had signed up :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Thursday, February 25, 2021 21:04:36
    On 25 Feb 2021 at 01:19p, deon pondered and said...

    In the words of a famous Australian movie - tell 'em they're dreamin'

    Firstly nice to see we are all keen and interested and equally not fussed on the costs to enter this game..

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Avon on Thursday, February 25, 2021 07:59:00
    Hello Avon!

    ** On Thursday 25.02.21 - 20:59, Avon wrote to Ogg:

    Starlink.. But I decided, NO THANKS. It's too high a
    premium to enter.

    I got one also in New Zealand, the same sort of email as I
    too had said 'keep me posted' but they wanted $150+ per
    month.. and I pay less now for my fibre plan... so sadly no
    go for me also ... the lady of the house would not be happy
    if I had signed up :)

    Starlink is probably designed to reach people who would not
    otherwise have *any* other access to internet.

    DSL, Fibe or cable are not physical options for me. People in my
    situation resort to satellite or mobile LTE data solutions. But
    the latter can be pretty expensive if you want to attain an
    unlimited and non-throttled state for data.

    Starlink sounded promising. A simple pancake-like antenna
    attached to an outside wall or post. Orientation not too
    critical (unlike what's required for a typical sat feed).

    But at $700 for the stupid box, which can blow up and fail, and
    $130/mo ongoing, entertainment via internet isn't worth it THAT
    much!

    I bet, that a vast majority of persons will get on it, excited
    about the new possibilties - just to try it - and maybe set it
    up to share the feed with close neighbours or something.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Avon on Thursday, February 25, 2021 08:04:00
    Hello Avon!

    ** On Thursday 25.02.21 - 21:04, Avon wrote to deon:

    On 25 Feb 2021 at 01:19p, deon pondered and said...

    In the words of a famous Australian movie - tell 'em they're dreamin'

    Firstly nice to see we are all keen and interested and
    equally not fussed on the costs to enter this game..

    "not fussed"? Are you saying that most people are not bothered
    by the high entry cost? I would think the opposite is truer.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Thursday, February 25, 2021 07:14:41
    Re: Starlink approaches
    By: Ogg to Avon on Thu Feb 25 2021 07:59 am

    Hello Avon!

    ** On Thursday 25.02.21 - 20:59, Avon wrote to Ogg:

    Starlink.. But I decided, NO THANKS. It's too high a
    premium to enter.

    I got one also in New Zealand, the same sort of email as I
    too had said 'keep me posted' but they wanted $150+ per
    month.. and I pay less now for my fibre plan... so sadly no
    go for me also ... the lady of the house would not be happy
    if I had signed up :)

    Starlink is probably designed to reach people who would not
    otherwise have *any* other access to internet.

    DSL, Fibe or cable are not physical options for me. People in my
    situation resort to satellite or mobile LTE data solutions. But
    the latter can be pretty expensive if you want to attain an
    unlimited and non-throttled state for data.

    Starlink sounded promising. A simple pancake-like antenna
    attached to an outside wall or post. Orientation not too
    critical (unlike what's required for a typical sat feed).

    But at $700 for the stupid box, which can blow up and fail, and
    $130/mo ongoing, entertainment via internet isn't worth it THAT
    much!

    I bet, that a vast majority of persons will get on it, excited
    about the new possibilties - just to try it - and maybe set it
    up to share the feed with close neighbours or something.

    Well, people pays thousands of dollar in gamming computer equipment that they infrautilize, so why would not they pay for Internet access? :-P

    New deployments are expensive. I expect Starlink subscriptions to become affordable with time.

    Meanwhile, it sounds like the sort of thing I would have hired 10 years ago when I could not even get 2G at home and had to drive to town in order to get Internet access, which was pretty much required for College.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Dmxrob on Thursday, February 25, 2021 08:42:00
    After subscribing for notification several months ago when

    Don't want to be to much of a party pooper but those colour codes in your quotes make it hard to decipher. :)

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Friday, February 26, 2021 01:19:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 25.02.21 - 07:14, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Starlink is probably designed to reach people who would not
    otherwise have *any* other access to internet.

    [...]

    But at $700 for the stupid box, which can blow up and fail, and
    $130/mo ongoing, entertainment via internet isn't worth it THAT
    much!

    I bet, that a vast majority of persons will get on it, excited
    about the new possibilties - just to try it - and maybe set it
    up to share the feed with close neighbours or something.

    Well, people pays thousands of dollar in gamming computer
    equipment that they infrautilize, so why would not they pay
    for Internet access? :-P

    Yes.. there are people who have more $s than they know what to
    do with.

    Not me.

    I have 600MB left available for my monthly LTE data quota for
    the next 9 days before I am throttled down, unless I pay $5 for
    an extra 200MB. And the way the carrier has set it up is that I
    can't buy another 200MB/$5 if that one dries up before the next
    billing cycle starts.

    I posted a pic in the fido CHAT echo of a recent hydro bill
    depicting the results of some self-imposed austerity measures.


    New deployments are expensive. I expect Starlink
    subscriptions to become affordable with time.

    You would think. But I doubt that will be the case for this
    particular product. Just a feeling.

    Meanwhile, it sounds like the sort of thing I would have
    hired 10 years ago when I could not even get 2G at home and
    had to drive to town in order to get Internet access, which
    was pretty much required for College.

    Well.. 10 years ago such a thing did not exist, of course. It's
    fun to dream and *wish* that it did. In my university days,
    official essays and assignments were expected to be typed
    following specific line-spacing and margin requirements. A
    private printer located on campus had a thriving business typing
    up people's hand-written drafts. I used them too. Meanwhile,
    typewriters were a common "sound" heard in some dorm rooms.
    That was up to the mid 80's. If we wanted access to computers
    that could do some "word processing" we had to scramble to find
    free terminals all over campus.

    Any.. back to the cost of 2G/3G/LTE data shit. Subscription fees
    just seem too high for what it is.

    Meanwhile, I am getting much more content in the form of
    echomail with very little data-usage, than I am getting visiting
    a FB page *before* I start reading anything.

    Basically, I'm fed up with having to need a bigger data plan
    primarily to support the extra ad/tracking/bloated code shit
    that today's websites employ. Adblockers can seem to only do so
    much.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Friday, February 26, 2021 03:32:02
    Re: Starlink approaches
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Feb 26 2021 01:19 am

    Meanwhile, I am getting much more content in the form of
    echomail with very little data-usage, than I am getting visiting
    a FB page *before* I start reading anything.

    Basically, I'm fed up with having to need a bigger data plan
    primarily to support the extra ad/tracking/bloated code shit
    that today's websites employ. Adblockers can seem to only do so
    much.

    I have been saying this for ages.

    The problem with advertisements and cookies is not that they track you (well, they do), it is that they waste bandwidth you
    pay for in order to sell you things you don't need.

    Since I hail from a digital exclusion zone, as the government calls it, it horrorifies me when I check the LAN DNS logs and
    most of it is for trackers and advertisement.

    The LAN has less than 2 megs per user, and I am supposed to waste so much in advertisements? Fuck that with a gigantic, spiked
    cucumber.

    This is the reason why I deploy LAN level adblockers. If Aunt Pepis comes for visit and they hook their laptop to the network
    without an adblocker, they are going to slow the network to a crawl for everybody unless you do something about it. Specially
    because default ISP routers are not great at managing congestion with low bandwidth.

    Hell, you could say these circumpstances are what forced me to learn about DNS management, Linux and OpenBSD queues and quality
    of service, and intercepting/mitm proxies.

    Then there is the issue that lots of web services are heavily Ajax/Bootstrap/Script based, for no reason, and sometimes you end
    up downloading 10 megs of scripts in order to read a 600-word My Little Pony fanfic.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Friday, March 05, 2021 19:29:15
    On 25 Feb 2021 at 07:59a, Ogg pondered and said...

    Starlink is probably designed to reach people who would not
    otherwise have *any* other access to internet.

    You would think so, but it could also be a system that could compliment or supplant current providers by virtue of it's ubiquity.

    But at $700 for the stupid box, which can blow up and fail, and
    $130/mo ongoing, entertainment via internet isn't worth it THAT
    much!

    Yep :)

    I bet, that a vast majority of persons will get on it, excited
    about the new possibilties - just to try it - and maybe set it
    up to share the feed with close neighbours or something.

    It will be really interesting to watch the uptake and moreover the retention.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Friday, March 05, 2021 19:29:51
    On 25 Feb 2021 at 08:04a, Ogg pondered and said...

    Firstly nice to see we are all keen and interested and
    equally not fussed on the costs to enter this game..

    "not fussed"? Are you saying that most people are not bothered
    by the high entry cost? I would think the opposite is truer.



    I mean not impressed by... so perhaps wrong turn of phrase on my part.

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