I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

Thanks for the tips. :)

Best, Paul

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On 02 Feb 2021, 10:55a, Avon said the following...

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as thebest alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

There is a fork of that project for Linux, and it's called Notepadqq. I used it for awhile, and it was pretty good.

Lately, I've been using a program called Geany that I really like. I've actually set it up to be able to compile MPLs within the program.


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I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend
as the
best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

In a linux desktop environment, I'll use VS Code for just about
everything, although sometimes i'll used GEdit.

Console/CLI -- 100% of the time it's nano!

Cheers,


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On Wednesday, February 3rd Avon muttered...

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?
Thanks for the tips. :)

Easy: Sublime Text for all platforms (Win/Linux/Mac).


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On 02 Feb 2021, Avon said the following...

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

Thanks for the tips. :)

You can use Notepad++, I have used it but have had some issues with it sometimes.. I personally use Nano which is built into Linux. If you are gonna do any type of Java writing Visual Studio is the way to go there..

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Black wrote (2021-02-01):

Lately, I've been using a program called Geany that I really like. I've actually set it up to be able to compile MPLs within the program.

I also use Geany a lot. It's not to bloated to be usable on the Pi. Can be used as a light weight IDE, but doesn't get in your way as a simple editor.

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Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: Avon to All on Tue Feb 02 2021 10:55 am

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternativ
can install and use on my Debian system?

Thanks for the tips. :)

Best, Paul

Welcome to the Editor war.

The most popular editors for code are vim and emacs.

There are a bunch of others, but those two are the ones most likely to be recommended to you
:-P

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Am 02.02.21 schrieb Avon@21:1/101 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Avon,

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as
the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

as I'm using KDE (on KDE Neon), I like Kate a lot.
It is also a nice editor with many options and features.

Regards,
Anna

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Avon wrote to All <=-

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend
as the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?

Thanks for the tips. :)

Best, Paul

I like medit.


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El 2/2/21 a las 07:20, Arelor escribió:

Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: Avon to All on Tue Feb 02 2021 10:55 am

> I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternativ
> can install and use on my Debian system?
>
> Thanks for the tips. :)
>
> Best, Paul

Welcome to the Editor war.

yeahhh .. sorry i need to delete the quote and put mcedit
jejeje
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On 02 Feb 2021 at 10:55a, Avon pondered and said...

I use Notepad++ a lot on windows, just wondering what folks recommend as the best alternative I can install and use on my Debian system?
Thanks for the tips. :)

Thanks everyone for your tips... I'll start looking at those over the coming few weeks. Right now I'm bashing away at config files and my eyes are
bleeding - ha :)

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I still use joe with Linux...

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I still use joe with Linux...

I also still use joe. I could argue it is a nice, very lightweight editor, bu t it is really because the keystrokes are ingrained after a few decades of use.

Many editors have one advantage or another. Mostly it comes down to personal preference and familiarity.
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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: Mark May to Spectre on Fri Feb 05 2021 09:59 am

I still use joe with Linux...

I also still use joe. I could argue it is a nice, very lightweight editor, bu t it is really because the keystrokes are ingrained after a few decades of use.

I use joe also with multimail. The reasons are much the same, it familiar to me now.. :)

Many editors have one advantage or another. Mostly it comes down to personal preference and familiarity.

I actually use a bunch of editors, mcedit from mc a lot.

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Ttyl :-),
Al

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I actually use a bunch of editors, mcedit from mc a lot.

Is that the Mythical Kindom BBS from to golden days? Welcome back! :)

Yes. I finally brought it back alive. For now, I'm not running my own code anymore, I'm running Synchronet. Still doing some programming, though, so hopefully I'll be able to work on some BBS related items (mostly using javascript though).
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I also still use joe. I could argue it is a nice, very lightweight editor, bu t it is really because the keystrokes are ingrained after a
few decades of use.

Yup those wordstar style commands never die. :) Just to make it more interesting, I usually end up renaming joe to q after the ms-dos editor.

Spec

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Havok wrote to Blue White <=-

Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: Blue White to Avon on Tue Feb 02 2021 03:47 pm

I like medit.

Also don't count out Geany seems very much like notepad ++

Just a thought of what I use on debian 10

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On windows I swore by notepad++, and when I went to Linux Mint, I was over joyed when I found notepadqq in the software manager, it's almost an exact clone, only difference I can see is the name. :)

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Yup those wordstar style commands never die. :) Just to make it more interesting, I usually end up renaming joe to q after the ms-dos editor.

There were a bunch of editors using those commands. I'd forgotten qedit (I'm thinking that is what "q" was). I used it, tpe (from the turbopower people), and the integrated Turbo Pascal editor, then switching to joe when I switched to Linux. Not sure I ever used actual WordStar, though :)

Now, if we just had a message editor that understood wordstar commands....
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Spectre wrote to Mark May <=-

Yup those wordstar style commands never die. :) Just to make it more interesting, I usually end up renaming joe to q after the ms-dos
editor.

I just run a DOSBOX environment and run qedit in it. :)

Interestingly enough, qedit for DOS was dodgy in Windows 2000 but qedit for OS/2 and my mail reader ran just fine. XP dropped support for OS/2 console binaries, though.




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There were a bunch of editors using those commands. I'd forgotten qedit (I'm thinking that is what "q" was). I used it, tpe (from the

There was another editor purely called Q, I don't recall where I originally found it. But qedit was also pretty handy.

switching to joe when I switched to Linux. Not sure I ever used actual WordStar, though :)

I only came across Wordstar on the Apple II. There were CP/M versions and
no, I'm fooling myself, I'm confusing wordstar and wordperfect... which appeared on the IIgs briefly.

Spec

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poindexter wrote (2021-02-06):

XP dropped support for OS/2 console binaries, though.

Which Windows did support OS/2 binaries?

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On 02-05-21 09:59, Mark May wrote to Spectre <=-

I still use joe with Linux...

I also still use joe. I could argue it is a nice, very lightweight editor, bu t it is really because the keystrokes are ingrained after a
few decades of use.

joe definitely has the advantage of familiarity for many DOS refugees. ;)


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poindexter wrote (2021-02-06):

XP dropped support for OS/2 console binaries, though.

Which Windows did support OS/2 binaries?

NT 3.5, 3.51 and 4 had it. Windows 2000 may have had it too.


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Oli wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

XP dropped support for OS/2 console binaries, though.

Which Windows did support OS/2 binaries?

Windows 2000 would run *console* binaries. Not graphical OS/2 apps, though.


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poindexter wrote (2021-02-07):

XP dropped support for OS/2 console binaries, though.

Which Windows did support OS/2 binaries?

Windows 2000 would run *console* binaries. Not graphical OS/2 apps, though.

interesting, never tried it. does it really work with "newer" 32-bit binaries?

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On 01 Feb 2021 at 05:30p, NuSkooler pondered and said...

Easy: Sublime Text for all platforms (Win/Linux/Mac).

Have started using this... I have used it a little before in Windows but it's nice to see it's all the same in Linux :)

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On Thursday, February 11th Avon was heard saying...

Have started using this... I have used it a little before in Windows but it's nice to see it's all the same in Linux :)

I'm in Windows and Linux every day, and for a few years OS X every day as well so having tools that work the same across platforms has always been imporant to me. Now they just need nice FreeBSD version :)


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On 10 Feb 2021 at 08:32p, NuSkooler pondered and said...

I'm in Windows and Linux every day, and for a few years OS X every day
as well so having tools that work the same across platforms has always been imporant to me. Now they just need nice FreeBSD version :)

Good call, yes I like the idea of something that spans platforms if possible..

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I'm in Windows and Linux every day, and for a few years OS X every day
as well so having tools that work the same across platforms has always
been imporant to me. Now they just need nice FreeBSD version :)

You can use it in freebsd with linux emulation, there is a port for it.

The only problem is the inotify stuff doesn't work, so the file listings
down the side don't update.

Andrew


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Gnote is good if you are using Gnome desktop. however i personaly use gvim (desktop) and vim (bash shell). vi / vim /gvim is mostly universal across all different versions of linux / unix / bsds

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On 11 Feb 2021, Avon said the following...

Good call, yes I like the idea of something that spans platforms if possible..

Notepad++ is cross platform in a way. The portable version is designed to
work under wine (and I use it at times under Linux x64 generally as well as Windows).

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On 23 Feb 2021 at 06:02p, bcw142 pondered and said...

On 11 Feb 2021, Avon said the following...

Good call, yes I like the idea of something that spans platforms if possible..

Notepad++ is cross platform in a way. The portable version is designed to work under wine (and I use it at times under Linux x64 generally as well as Windows).

I ended up using Sublime... but did try to install a Linux? version of Notepad++ but it didn't seem to want to work :(

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|11A|09> |10I ended up using Sublime... but did try to install a Linux? version of|07
|11A|09> |10Notepad++ but it didn't seem to want to work :(|07

I've been a Visual Studio Code user for years, and their Linux integration is amazing. Really impressed with the tool overall, and it's free!

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I've been a Visual Studio Code user for years, and their Linux
integration is amazing. Really impressed with the tool overall, and
it's free!

Code has been my go-to for a while. I tried out more 'specialized'
editors like PyCharm and GoLand, but they aren't free and at the end of
the day couldn't match Code's Extension library. Plus, free :)

For my last couple projects, I've been using WSL2 (Ubuntu 20.04) and the Windows 10 integration--file explorer, VS Code, etc.--has been pretty
dang smooth.
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Dmxrob wrote to Avon <=-

I've been a Visual Studio Code user for years, and their Linux
integration is amazing. Really impressed with the tool overall, and
it's free!

I started hearing about its ability to edit code via SSH, wondering if that might be an interesting way to mass update configuration files on my work developer VMs - I've got about 100 Ubuntu VMs that I manage.


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Apparently, Microsoft now has a "Linux Kernel Sub-system" for its windows 10 kernel. they are partnering up with Ubuntu and using the Ubuntu code base for the kernel module, and integration of bash shell commands into the core OS.



On 25 Feb 2021, Dmxrob said the following...

BY: Avon(21:1/101)

I ended up using Sublime... but did try to install a Linux? version

of

Notepad++ but it didn't seem to want to work :(

I've been a Visual Studio Code user for years, and their Linux
integration is amazing. Really impressed with the tool overall, and
it's free!

DMXRob
Off the Wall Since '88

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Thanks
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Ubuntu code base for the kernel module, and integration of bash shell commands into the core OS.

Yeah there's been talk on the wires for many months now rumoring that
Microsoft may end up creating full compatibility layer for windows apps on linux and migrating windows to a microsoft linux distribution.

Probably a lot of smoke but as Windows 10 is not really a big money spinner
it may not be as far fetched as it sounds ... if only MS can swallow the development bill.

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On 25 Feb 2021 at 02:04p, Dmxrob pondered and said...

I've been a Visual Studio Code user for years, and their Linux
integration is amazing. Really impressed with the tool overall, and
it's free!

Thanks Rob :)

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Am 04.03.21 schrieb hal@21:1/177 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo hal,

Yeah there's been talk on the wires for many months now rumoring that Microsoft may end up creating full compatibility layer for windows apps on linux and migrating windows to a microsoft linux distribution.

As Linux is more and more becoming Windows-like with things like systemd, they probably meet somewhere in the middle...
argh.

Regards,
Anna (using Linux since the late 90s)

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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: acn to hal on Fri Mar 05 2021 09:11 am

Am 04.03.21 schrieb hal@21:1/177 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo hal,

Yeah there's been talk on the wires for many months now rumoring that Microsoft may end up creating full compatibility layer for windows apps o linux and migrating windows to a microsoft linux distribution.

As Linux is more and more becoming Windows-like with things like systemd, they probably meet somewhere in the middle...
argh.

Regards,
Anna (using Linux since the late 90s)

I started experimenting with OpenBSD when I realized the direction Linux distributions were heading.

Let's face it, there are just a bunch of Linux distributions you can use for actual work (Red Hat, Debian and two or three else). The rest are either development toys, extremely specialized distributions, or somebody's underfunded personal project.

I like Slackware because it tries very hard to keep a clean unix-like structure (which is the reason why we are running Linux, right?) while everybody else tries al the crazy dangerous things, and only imports the new shiny things when somebody else has suffered through testing it :-) But it is barely work-grade level because the development cycles are very opaque.

I like OpenBSD because it is a lot like Slackware in that regard, plus they have a very active policy of "If this code is crap, we don't want it", which extends to libc functions. Which can be a bit of a pain in the rear if you are trying to port some program that uses libc functions that OpenBSD does not like, but that is your fault for trying to port crappy code :-P

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gcubebuddy wrote to Dmxrob <=-

Apparently, Microsoft now has a "Linux Kernel Sub-system" for its
windows 10 kernel. they are partnering up with Ubuntu and using the
Ubuntu code base for the kernel module, and integration of bash shell commands into the core OS.

It's part of Windows Subsystem for Linux, and it's nice. We do all of our development at work on a farm of Ubuntu Linux VMs we have running in the office. I'm starting to move that environment over to local laptops running WSL. It's nice to be able to have an almost identical environment locally,
on the dev servers and in production.

I do like the idea of using an editor that can locally edit files via SSH, apparently Visual Studio can do that? I'm the admin, and sometimes have to
log into multiple systems (in fact I'll need to make a configuration change
to all of them in the next couple of weeks...)

Being able to configure all of the systems in an editor that would edit locally would be nice.


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hal wrote to gcubebuddy <=-

Yeah there's been talk on the wires for many months now rumoring that Microsoft may end up creating full compatibility layer for windows apps
on linux and migrating windows to a microsoft linux distribution.

Probably a lot of smoke but as Windows 10 is not really a big money spinner it may not be as far fetched as it sounds ... if only MS can swallow the development bill.

It'd be interesting to see Windows running on a Linux Kernel. Would we hear RMS talking about GNU/Windows?

I was looking at editors recently, went to download EMACS for Windows and
ran into this piece of vintage RMS:


<snip>

The reason for GNU Emacs's existence is to provide a powerful editor for the GNU operating system. Versions of GNU, such as GNU/Linux, are the primary platforms for Emacs development.

However, GNU Emacs includes support for some other systems that volunteers choose to support.

The purpose of the GNU system is to give users the freedom that proprietary software takes away from its users. Proprietary operating systems (like
other proprietary programs) are an injustice, and we aim for a world in
which they do not exist.

To improve the use of proprietary systems is a misguided goal. Our aim, rather, is to eliminate them. We include support for some proprietary
systems in GNU Emacs in the hope that running Emacs on them will give users
a taste of freedom and thus lead them to free themselves.

</snip>

Cast off the proverbial chains!



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I really like the idea of *BSD and have tried FreeBSD on and off since it started. The development is much more disciplined in that they understand the proper use of linking tools, the proper place of binaries and the benefits of speed over dozens of features that are *never* used (I'm talking to you GNU).

But I always end up with the same problem of driver support. I don't really care about bluetooth but I always seem to end up with PCs where the other I/O don't work.

Sometimes I put up a BSD for a server but as a daily driver I need to be more disciplined at device purchase time (which as most of the machines I have
had recently were gifts doesn't help me).

I recently tried again with a mini pc I had lying around. Got it up and
running with everything but sound and gave up again. Oddly enough I managed
to get everything except bluetooth working on NomadBSD with that mini PC s there is something I'm missing there. I haven't got the patience to spend
more than a couple of days trying to fix hardware issues .... I think it's a hangover from the early days of Linux and FreeBSD where mostly nothing worked apart from a couple of reference systems and you end up spending weeks fixing things it at all.

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Ahh Emacs! GNU couldn't finish their kernel so they turned their editor into
an OS
lol.

As I said earlier I like Emacs but my memory can't cope with the keystrokes
and learning something that complicated these days ... I'm stuck in a vi rut (and quite a nice place it is with Vim)

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|11h|09> |10Yeah there's been talk on the wires for many months now rumoring that|07
|11h|09> |10Microsoft may end up creating full compatibility layer for windows apps|07
|11h|09> |10on|07
|11h|09> |10linux and migrating windows to a microsoft linux distribution. |07 |11h|09> |07
|11h|09> |10Probably a lot of smoke but as Windows 10 is not really a big money|07
|11h|09> |10spinner|07
|11h|09> |10it may not be as far fetched as it sounds ... if only MS can swallow the|07
|11h|09> |10development bill.|07
Microsoft actually produced XENIX (a form of Unix) far before they did Windows or DOS. I ran XENIX on a Tandy-6000 for years. At the time Microsoft was one of the few companies out there doing Unix.

The Windows Subsystems for Linux provides, as of WSL2, a full environment for doing Linux development in should one wish. The integration between Windows and Linux is pretty advanced. I've been using it for years now, and have been impressed at how far along they have brought it.

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I actually admin'd Xenix back in the early days. Microsoft didn't sell it directly but sold it via vendors like SCO. I used the SCO branded version and had a network spanning several sites all using UUCP ... now that takes me
back.

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I've used NEdit on X for longer than I care to remember; NEdit is old (built using the Motif toolkit - ala Solaris CDE), but still holds its own when it comes to column cutting/pasting, custom syntax highlighting and general configurability.

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On 06 Mar 2021 at 04:46p, TALIADON pondered and said...

I've used NEdit on X for longer than I care to remember; NEdit is old (built using the Motif toolkit - ala Solaris CDE), but still holds its
own when it comes to column cutting/pasting, custom syntax highlighting and general configurability.

Thanks :)

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Am 05.03.21 schrieb Arelor@21:2/138 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Arelor,

I started experimenting with OpenBSD when I realized the direction Linux distributions were heading.

Let's face it, there are just a bunch of Linux distributions you can use
for actual work (Red Hat, Debian and two or three else). The rest are
either development toys, extremely specialized distributions, or somebody's underfunded personal project.

I've used Debian for ~20 years but switched to Devuan last year on my servers, as this project seems to be stable.

On my desktop machines, I'm using KDE Neon, as I like KDE - although it is Ubuntu based and uses systemd, but on the desktop, that isn't hurting me
too much.

I also thought about switching to *BSD or to a more classic distribution
like Slackware or even to Arch, but I would miss one (for me) mission- critical application: aptitude.

I really love aptitude for package management.
Using this program, I really feel "in control" over the packages, as I can see all dependencies (in both directions!) and can choose what to install/ update/remove in a nice text-based user interface.

While many people like things like "pacman" on Arch, and it is quite handy
if you just want to install one package with all its dependencies, it
falls short if you want to "clean up" packages and remove stuff that you don't like.

If you know anything like aptitude for other distributions or for *BSD,
I'm happy to hear about it :)

Regards,
Anna

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I actually admin'd Xenix back in the early days. Microsoft didn't sell
it directly but sold it via vendors like SCO. I used the SCO branded version and had a network spanning several sites all using UUCP ... now that takes me back.

I worked for a company that had all of their retail inventory and sales software running on AS/400s. In order to get enough processing power to do
the reporting, we bought Lawson's reportwriter software, that pulled raw
data off of the 400s and did the heavy analytics.

We used SCO Xenix running on a PS/2 model 80 with 16 MB of RAM and a digiboard. 16 IBM terminals running EBCDIC, not ASCII. Twinax connection to the AS/400s, speaking LU6.2. Lotus 1-2-3 for Xenix.

Weirdest setup I'd ever seen.

The company sent me to Santa Cruz, CA (the SC in SCO) for a week of
training. A friend of mine lived in the dorms at UC Santa Cruz, and I'd go
to class all day, lay in the sun on my lunch hour, and hang out at the University at night.

I came back tan, and the department VP was thoroughly annoyed.


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acn wrote to Arelor <=-

I also thought about switching to *BSD or to a more classic
distribution like Slackware or even to Arch, but I would miss one (for
me) mission- critical application: aptitude.

I'm seeing more and more OpenBSD running in production, online environments like the tilde-verse. Wonder if it's by choice or a by-product of the people who create online communities?


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I also thought about switching to *BSD or to a more classic distribution like Slackware or even to Arch, but I would miss one (for me) mission- critical application: aptitude.

I really love aptitude for package management.
Using this program, I really feel "in control" over the packages, as I
can see all dependencies (in both directions!) and can choose what to install/ update/remove in a nice text-based user interface.
If you know anything like aptitude for other distributions or for *BSD,

The default 'pkg' mostly correlates with 'apt'

Some examples are listed here. The full list of available commands are available in pkg(8) once it is bootstrapped.

Search for a package:
$ pkg search perl

Install a package:
% pkg install perl

List installed packages:
$ pkg info

Upgrade from remote repository:
% pkg upgrade

List non-automatic packages:
$ pkg query -e '%a = 0' %o

List automatic packages:
$ pkg query -e '%a = 1' %o

Delete an installed package:
% pkg delete perl

Remove unneeded dependencies:
% pkg autoremove

Change a package from automatic to non-automatic, which will prevent autoremove from removing it:
% pkg set -A 0 perl

Change a package from non-automatic to automatic, which will make autoremove allow it be removed once nothing depends on it:
% pkg set -A 1 perl

Create package file from an installed package:
% pkg create -o /usr/ports/packages/All perl

Determine which package installed a file:
$ pkg which /usr/local/bin/perl

Audit installed packages for security advisories:
$ pkg audit

Check installed packages for checksum mismatches:
# pkg check -s -a

Check for missing dependencies:
# pkg check -d -a

Its got everything I use in 'apt' on a semi regular basis with a mostly
similar command structure.

See their man page for details
https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/7/pkg/

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Am 07.03.21 schrieb hal@21:1/177 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo hal,

I also thought about switching to *BSD or to a more classic distribution ac>> like Slackware or even to Arch, but I would miss one (for me) mission- ac>> critical application: aptitude.

[...]

The default 'pkg' mostly correlates with 'apt'

[...]

Well, these are commandline commands.
That's not what I've meant!

Aptitude has a very nice and usable text-mode UI where you can browse all your currently installed and not installed packages, look into each
package, see the dependencies and what packages depend on this one -- and (un)install the package or resolve dependency problems WITHOUT the need to memorize all the commands you've listed.
I know that there are often GUI utilities like synaptic, but I never
needed those as I absolutely prefer the TUI (textmode user interface) of aptitude, as it works just fine via SSH.

I hope this makes it clearer what I meant and what I'm searching for.

Regards,
Anna

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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: acn to Arelor on Sun Mar 07 2021 12:42 pm

If you know anything like aptitude for other distributions or for *BSD,
I'm happy to hear about it :)

In my opinion, any port system blows binary package managers out of the water when it comes to control and flexibility.

With a half-backed port system like sbotool (Slackware, unofficial) you can pretty much forget what a broken dependency chain looks like. If you want to upgrade package X, it gets built against your existing libraries, whereas in the binary world you need the binary package in the repository to be tailored to the libraries you have installed. So in binary world you are restricted to what the repository wants to offer you.

If you want to use a custom patch for some library in a port based distribution, you patch your library and rebuild your packages against it. If you upgrade any library and a package which dependend on it breaks, you just rebuild that package.

Now, when you bring the really heavy artillery (say, *BSD style ports, or Gentoo's portage) you can apply special configurations system-wide, set package building clusters, and do anything short of casting magic spells with the computer. Do you hate GUIs? Configure your ports system as to build every package without a GUI. Do you want to exclude certain library from your system? Doable - you can force something like portage to build every package that supports such thing without that library.

Portage let's you mix testing and unofficial port layers with a degree of control not to be found in a binary package manager, including version locking for packages and the like. And heck, I am not even a Gentoo fan.

I got started with Debian derivatives myself, and I agree that Aptitude is quite handy for escaping dependency breakage... but also very good for generating it yourself :-P


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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: poindexter FORTRAN to acn on Sun Mar 07 2021 07:35 am

acn wrote to Arelor <=-

I also thought about switching to *BSD or to a more classic distribution like Slackware or even to Arch, but I would miss one (for me) mission- critical application: aptitude.

I'm seeing more and more OpenBSD running in production, online environments like the tilde-verse. Wonder if it's by choice or a by-product of the people who create online communities?

... Back in the stream that feeds the ocean that feeds the stream.

If somebody runs OpenBSD, you can be sure he has a thick skin.

The OpenBSD community has all the traits people atributes to Linux grognards. "Read the manual, n00b, then come and ask your question again," "Stop asking that question, the functionality you talk about is properly docummented in the source code," and "If you don't like how it works just send a patch to @tech."

Admitedly, if you survive for a couple of months they start respecting you hahahaha.

My point is that if somebody runs OpenBSD nowadays, it is because of a conscious decision that has not been taken lightly.

OpenBSD is created by its developers for its developers... if you just happen to find it useful, then it is a nice side effect... that said, the fact the project is run by software purists means that there is not much pollution in the operating system.

The filesystem hierarchy makes sense and it is clean and tidy, because Theo de Raadt gibbeted the last developer who sent a patch which placed some file in a directory it didn't belong to.

The source code is incredibly readable. When they tell you that if you are not sure how someth works, you should just read the source code, they are not joking.

The obvious backslashes: if nobody cares for your hardware, it won't work unless you make it work; if the developer in charge of some component of the OS thinks that code readability is more important than raw performance, that component is going to be slow (but you'll get to know how it works if you read through the source code quite easily).

The only things I really miss in OpenBSD are Copy-on-Write capable storage (in order to make hot-backups of running production servers) and fine-grained fan management.

So...

I think OpenBSD is getting actively chosen by a very specific segment of the sysadmin and computer-hobbyist population.


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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 07 2021 05:01 pm

I think OpenBSD is getting actively chosen by a very specific segment of the sysadmin and computer-hobbyist population.

I'm guessing that it's the same crowd attracted to Slackware and Arch Linux.

FreeBSD was my jam back in the day, but it was mostly waiting for Linux to be ready for the datacenter. I'm setting up an OpenBSD VM in my home network now, will be curious to see how much *BSD I remember.
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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Mar 07 2021 05:24 pm

FreeBSD was my jam back in the day, but it was mostly waiting for Linux to be ready for the datacenter. I'm setting up an
OpenBSD VM in my home network now, will be curious to see how much *BSD I remember.

If you knew *BSD a decade ago, you know *BSD today. That is the beauty of it.

I once logged to a 2.X BSD and let me tell you, acclimation from a modern BSD to that is instantaneous. The core tools in *BSD
have not changed since the PDP-11 days... I think this comes to show the quality of the core tools when we are still using them
(or close derivatives) in modern operating systems.

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Am 07.03.21 schrieb Arelor@21:2/138 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Arelor,

Portage let's you mix testing and unofficial port layers with a degree of control not to be found in a binary package manager, including version locking for packages and the like. And heck, I am not even a Gentoo fan.

I've used Gentoo Linux for a while and I really liked it. The USE-flag
system was quite handy and also the option to add custom patches was something I've used for certain packages.

But then came some big updates, eg. for KDE, and I got into an absolute portage-dependency-hell with Qt and KDE libraries that took not only quite
a while to compile but also to figure out which package I had to add/ remove/recompile before portage was happy to do the rest.

And that is something that did not happen for quite a while neither on Devuan/Debian or KDE Neon (Ubuntu-based). And I even updated KDE Neon now
two times to new Ubuntu base versions.

Yes, you are absolutely right that source-based distributions have their
pros concerning patching and "control" over special features.
But while this is nice (and can also be done to a certain degree via compiling a source package in a debian-based system), it still needs
mangling with configuration files and a great number of command line tools and/or switches.

And while I still have a place in my heart for Gentoo, I absolutely wasn't
in that much of control over *what* packages/libraries were installed and
are installed -- and for what reason they are installed -- than what I can achieve with aptitude (the TUI, not the commandline).

Regards,
Anna

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If you knew *BSD a decade ago, you know *BSD today. That is the beauty
of it.

I once logged to a 2.X BSD and let me tell you, acclimation from a
modern BSD to that is instantaneous.

I think it was 4.x that I ran an entire company's internet presence on, and recently re-purchased Lehey's "The Complete BSD", which was my bible through that time. It's all of the howtos and all of the man pages bound and printed out, and helped me out along the way.




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Re: Re: Linux option to replace Notepad++
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Mon Mar 08 2021 06:39 am

Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If you knew *BSD a decade ago, you know *BSD today. That is the beauty of it.

I once logged to a 2.X BSD and let me tell you, acclimation from a modern BSD to that is instantaneous.

I think it was 4.x that I ran an entire company's internet presence on, and recently re-purchased Lehey's "The Complete BSD", which was my bible through that time. It's all of the howtos and all of the man pages bound and printed out, and helped me out along the way.

... Think - inside the work -outside the work

I once booted a 4.x in emulation for the fun of it, but never got anything interesting done with it.

Fun fact: 2.x is still supported to this day! Somehow unoficially, this is. Most of the stuff 2.x is getting are fixes ported from later BSD series, but since they are targeting specific vintage systems (such as the DPD-11) they keep feature creep in check.

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On 06 Mar 2021, hal said the following...

Ahh Emacs! GNU couldn't finish their kernel so they turned their editor into an OS
lol.

Ah, the chrome approach ;)

As I said earlier I like Emacs but my memory can't cope with the keystrokes and learning something that complicated these days ... I'm stuck in a vi rut (and quite a nice place it is with Vim)

Doing the same. I used Emacs for a few years on the Amiga, but now using vim
on the Pi I'm writing this on.

As long as we've got the subject heading here's what I just wrote on that:

For general Linux use I most often use Ubuntu 20.03 LTS right now.
That's the current Long Term System version of Ubuntu (generally
good for 5 years). I've mentioned you can use Notepad++ under Linux
using wine to Avon and others. So here's how:

Adding PortableApps under Ubuntu (or most x86 Linux).

# Loading wine
sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; sudo apt update

sudo apt install wine64 wine32 #full 64 & 32 bit versions like Win10

wine --version #can check version if you want to know

https://portableapps.com/ #All portableapps will run under wine

You can download the current PortableApps setup to a USB stick or you
can download just the programs you want and put them on the system in
a directory like /windows. If you dual-boot you can use the real windows directory as I have below. You can install PortableApps on the PC itself
under windows, it's part of the install options. If so it will end up
under the path I used. Under Development you will find:
Notepad++ Portable - A full-featured text editor with syntax highlighting Notepad2 Portable - Simple, lightweight text editor
Notepad2-mod Portable - Lightweight text editor
and many other PortableApps. Just to run the one App it's best to make
a /windows directory to hold windows files and run it from there:

sudo mkdir /windows
sudo chmod 777 /windows #to make it easier to do things in /windows

If you downloaded just the App it generally ends up in ~/Downloads so
change to there and move it where you want (/windows):

cd ~/Downloads
wine Notepad2Portable_4.2.25_Rev_2_English.paf.exe #or name of App you used

You can load the full PortableApps and install stuff to it like a USB stick instead of just the one or two Apps you want. It will come up with a
graphical window for Destination Folder, point it at your /windows or
whatever path your using. If you get a write error, you need to go back
and do that 'sudo chmod 777 /windows', then it will run.
Click Cancel rather then just Finish as wine might just crash otherwise.
If you look at /windows it will now contain the PortableApp under the Directory name of the App, something like:

/windows/Notepad2Portable #for my example.

wine /windows/Notepad2Portable/Notepad2Portable.exe & #will run it.

You can add that as a command under whatever name isn't taken. I use vi,
but you can use whatever editor you normally use with sudo. I'd do
it like this:

sudo vi /usr/local/bin/notepad2
#!/bin/bash
# nodepad2 - run PortableApp Notepad2Portable.exe from /windows
wine /windows/Notepad2Portable/Notepad2Portable.exe &

sudo chmod 775 /usr/local/bin/notepad2

From then on just typing nodepad2 will bring it up from the terminal.
If you loaded the full PortableApps platform to /windows it's:
wine /windows/PortableApps/Notepad2Portable/Notepad2Portable.exe &

If you install the full PortableApps you'll find a Start.exe in /windows. Notepad2Portable will come up and can edit any text file or whatever the
App would normally be able to edit or do. PortableApps are designed with
the full environment and libraries they need to be standalone and run as win32. So they are designed to work in Windows3 on up including Win10.
If you load the whole platform (PortableApps), it's better to make the
little run script with a name like 'pa' to make it easier to type like Unix/Linux/BSD is designed to. I didn't include notes on running Windows
stuff from Linux under dual boot, but the key is to run it under ntfs-3g
(the main /windows drive that is).
If you still have questions ask them here. Questions like "Perhaps we
should start a FSX_LNX area?" Where these questions would live. Or use
the USENET Linux forums?

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