• the end game

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to All on Friday, January 29, 2021 19:56:00
    Hello y'All,

    https://youtu.be/E0cbIzJy-R0

    https://rumble.com/vcstt7-the-reason-why-covid-19-pandemic-was-created-and-our-future.html

    This is a documentary, apparently done in England, that tries to
    summarise where we are and what might happen next, including the
    details of the end game.

    "Reset", Fourth Industrial Revolution, Gates, Rockefeller,
    vaccines, ..is a lot to process! I did not know about the
    resistance in Spain by the police - Los Policias por La
    Libertad. I have to keep wondering why the media keep
    interviewing Gates and asking him medical questions when he's
    not a medical expert at all. I knew about the planned pandemic
    "exercises", and the Rockefeller report. The messages about
    what the future could hold: owning nothing, renting everything,
    a universal income, purposely creating fear.. all thought-
    provoking.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Ogg on Friday, January 29, 2021 18:22:59
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10"Reset", Fourth Industrial Revolution, Gates, Rockefeller,|07 |11O|09> |10vaccines, ..is a lot to process! I did not know about the|07 |11O|09> |10resistance in Spain by the police - Los Policias por La|07
    I know we need to stay away from politics, but many of our nations leaders are using the buzz words like build back better.


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Ogg on Saturday, January 30, 2021 08:44:22
    Ogg wrote (2021-01-29):

    This is a documentary, apparently done in England, that tries to
    summarise where we are and what might happen next, including the
    details of the end game.

    I wonder were the viruses came from before there were humans and conspiracy theories?

    I have to keep wondering why the media keep
    interviewing Gates and asking him medical questions when he's
    not a medical expert at all.

    Because medical professionals are not necessarily the ones who know most about viruses and pandemics. You wouldn't call Bill Gates an expert in the field of vaccinations? Maybe ha also knows nothing about computers and software.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Oli on Saturday, January 30, 2021 05:11:05
    On 30 Jan 2021, Oli said the following...
    This is a documentary, apparently done in England, that tries to summarise where we are and what might happen next, including the details of the end game.
    I wonder were the viruses came from before there were humans and conspiracy theories?

    There was a time before conspiracy theories?

    I have to keep wondering why the media keep
    interviewing Gates and asking him medical questions when he's
    not a medical expert at all.

    Because medical professionals are not necessarily the ones who know most about viruses and pandemics. You wouldn't call Bill Gates an expert in
    the field of vaccinations? Maybe ha also knows nothing about computers
    and software.

    Honestly, Bill Gates isn't a name I's associate with immunology epidemeology
    or the like. I mean he has to time and monney to study all of it for sure,
    or to but a group together to do so, but he isn't someone who comes to mind.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ogg on Saturday, January 30, 2021 09:45:45
    Ogg wrote to All <=-

    Libertad. I have to keep wondering why the media keep
    interviewing Gates and asking him medical questions when he's
    not a medical expert at all. I knew about the planned pandemic

    I wonder about that often also. Just because he is rich does not really
    make him an expert about anything except getting and staying rich. Some
    people probably respect his opinion about anything but I feel like others
    will see that as some sort of conspiracy (which they of course have seen it that way).



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Oli on Saturday, January 30, 2021 09:54:48
    I have to keep wondering why the media keep
    interviewing Gates and asking him medical questions when he's
    not a medical expert at all.

    Because medical professionals are not necessarily the ones who know
    most about viruses and pandemics. You wouldn't call Bill Gates an
    expert in the field of vaccinations? Maybe ha also knows nothing
    about computers and software.

    I would call him an expert in investing in companies that produce
    vaccines and distribute them, or maybe a philanthropist in said
    field. I would not call him an expert when it comes to creating one,
    or for anything else medical. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong)
    he has no degrees in any medical fields.

    Computers and software, and how to sell them, sure. Medicine and
    vaccinations is a far jump from either of those.


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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Barmed on Saturday, January 30, 2021 11:54:37
    Honestly, Bill Gates isn't a name I's associate with immunology epidemeology or the like. I mean he has to time and monney to study all of it for sure, or to but a group together to do so, but he isn't someone who comes to mind.

    "to put a group together..." ? He's already done it....

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation runs from an endowment currently holding 49.8 billion dollars, they employee 1,602 people, many of which are Dr's and Scientists working to eradicate disease such as Polio, Malaria, and TB from the planet. I would say as a highly educated individual, who funds massive amounts of vaccine research, Gates is one of the better sources of immunological information.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Bob Roberts on Saturday, January 30, 2021 14:23:13
    On 30 Jan 2021, Bob Roberts said the following...

    Honestly, Bill Gates isn't a name I's associate with immunology epidemeology or the like. I mean he has to time and monney to study a it for sure, or to but a group together to do so, but he isn't someon comes to mind.

    "to put a group together..." ? He's already done it....

    I may have worded that poorly, I didn't mean that he hadn't.

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation runs from an endowment currently holding 49.8 billion dollars, they employee 1,602 people, many of which are Dr's and Scientists working to eradicate disease such as Polio, Malaria, and TB from the
    planet. I would say as a highly educated individual, who funds massive amounts
    of vaccine research, Gates is one of the better sources of immunological information.

    Funding the organization is one thing. Understanding the research and
    findings of the organization is something else. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but I personally prefer hearing the findings from people actually trained in that field. Like the researchers that are doing
    the work.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Barmed on Saturday, January 30, 2021 22:42:18
    out of the realm of possibility, but I personally prefer hearing the findings from people actually trained in that field. Like the
    researchers that are doing the work.

    I agree, mostly because I value solid science research over the opinion of
    any one person.

    But this makes me think about Edison, who probably invented very little himself, but was still probably an expert on _something_ vaguely technical.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Adept on Saturday, January 30, 2021 18:14:02
    On 30 Jan 2021, Adept said the following...
    But this makes me think about Edison, who probably invented very little himself, but was still probably an expert on _something_ vaguely technical.

    Pretty much the case. He MIGHT have found a better filament fir incandescent light bulbs, but even that would be tweaking others work.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Blue White on Saturday, January 30, 2021 19:15:00
    Hello Blue!

    ** On Saturday 30.01.21 - 09:45, Blue White wrote to Ogg:

    ..I have to keep wondering why the media keep interviewing
    Gates and asking him medical questions when he's not a
    medical expert at all.

    I wonder about that often also. Just because he is rich
    does not really make him an expert about anything except
    getting and staying rich. Some people probably respect his
    opinion about anything but I feel like others will see that
    as some sort of conspiracy (which they of course have seen
    it that way).

    It's a pretty good clip from an interview. You can see that
    Bill is shooting BS, and stumbling over an answer that he is not
    even qualified to answer.. but he tries anyway. He can't resist
    the attention of being asked such important questions so that he
    can appear to be an expert when he tries. He's so vain.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Saturday, January 30, 2021 18:42:52
    Re: Re: the end game
    By: Adept to Barmed on Sat Jan 30 2021 10:42 pm

    out of the realm of possibility, but I personally prefer hearing the findings from people actually trained in that field. Like the researchers that are doing the work.

    I agree, mostly because I value solid science research over the opinion of any one person.

    But this makes me think about Edison, who probably invented very little himself, but was still probably an expert on _something_ vaguely technical.

    Edison was a technical person.

    I'd go as far as to label him an engineer. He ran his tests, went on scientific expeditions personally when needed.

    It is not like he was an angel investor funding an actual engineer to accomplish some project, while knowing the bare essentials of what he was funding only.

    Now, there is a rich guy not far away from here that funds lots of horse related projects, including horse rescues and horse-therapy groups. He knows what these projects do, but I doube he has gotten close to a horse in his life, so I would not consider him an authority in horsemanship.

    I think funding projects does not make you an authority on the subjects those projects cover. You may be more involved than the average person and may know more than the average person but I think it unlikely you are more knowledgeable than the leaders of the projects you are funding.

    If you were, you'd be running the projects yourself, personally. Doing the lab work.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:08:27
    Edison was a technical person.

    I'd go as far as to label him an engineer. He ran his tests, went on scientific expeditions personally when needed.

    That not true with Bill Gates?

    I think funding projects does not make you an authority on the subjects those projects cover. You may be more involved than the average person
    and may know more than the average person but I think it unlikely you
    are more knowledgeable than the leaders of the projects you are funding.

    Oh, agreed, though I think that you might have a better overview of items, since domain knowledge tends to get _deep_, and said deep knowledge may not
    be particularly relevant.

    But Bill Gates, from what I know of him, is a technical person, and tends to ask deep questions on the technical front. Which makes me think he's less
    like your rich horse sponsor.

    But I don't know. I don't know what area of expertise we're talking about
    with him, nor how deep we'd be getting into conspiracy theories or politics (both of which I'd like to avoid, other than something extremely tangential.)

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Bob Roberts on Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:51:11

    On Saturday, January 30th Bob Roberts was heard saying...
    "to put a group together..." ? He's already done it....
    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation runs from an endowment currently holding 49.8 billion dollars, they employee 1,602 people, many of which are Dr's and Scientists working to eradicate disease such as Polio, Malaria, and TB from the planet. I would say as a highly educated individual, who funds massive amounts of vaccine research, Gates is one of the better sources of immunological information.

    This.

    And yeah, I'd say the Gates know quite a bit about the topic. I'm not sure how anyone supposes they would not? The couple has spent a huge amount of time over many years now surrounded by and discussing with professionals. You tend to want to know something about topics you're putting billions of dollars into.




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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ogg on Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:28:48
    Ogg wrote to Blue White <=-

    It's a pretty good clip from an interview. You can see that
    Bill is shooting BS, and stumbling over an answer that he is not
    even qualified to answer.. but he tries anyway. He can't resist
    the attention of being asked such important questions so that he
    can appear to be an expert when he tries. He's so vain.

    He really is. IIRC, he is also an "expert" on nuclear power.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Bob Roberts on Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:42:39
    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation runs from an endowment currently holding 49.8 billion dollars, they employee 1,602 people, many of which are Dr's and Scientists working to eradicate disease such as Polio, Malaria, and TB from the planet. I would say as a highly educated individual, who funds massive amounts of vaccine research, Gates is one
    of the better sources of immunological information.

    He employees experts. That doesn't make him the better source. What he
    should be doing is letting those employees do the talking.


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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Blue White on Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:25:51
    He employees experts. That doesn't make him the better source. What he should be doing is letting those employees do the talking.

    He does let the employees do the talking. But he also makes himself available for interviews to promote his foundation and the work they do.

    In the interviews he's given, the discussion is broad, higher level topics about vaccines, etc. He's not going to medical conferences and talking about the deep science. These are interviews for news magazine shows...



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Blue White on Sunday, January 31, 2021 15:50:00
    Hello Blue!

    ** On Sunday 31.01.21 - 11:42, Blue White wrote to Bob Roberts:

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation runs from an endowment currently
    holding 49.8 billion dollars, they employee 1,602 people,
    many of which are Dr's and Scientists working to eradicate
    disease such as Polio, Malaria, and TB from the planet. I
    would say as a highly educated individual, who funds
    massive amounts of vaccine research, Gates is one of the
    better sources of immunological information.

    He employees experts. That doesn't make him the better source. What he should be doing is letting those employees do the talking.

    That *would* be better. He can't even articulate what he knows
    very well.

    BTW, with holdings of 49B in just one foundation, that's more
    than enough to bring most people on this planet out of poverty.
    No poverty == much less disease. But it makes business sense to
    have an impoverished public to experiment on.

    If BG was truly spouting philanthropy, he wouldn't need to hold
    on to those billions. He's only interested in control and
    dependency. He is funding multitudes of businesses to influence
    them, obtain dependency, and earn more profits.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Sunday, January 31, 2021 15:13:00
    Re: Re: the end game
    By: Adept to Arelor on Sun Jan 31 2021 10:08 am

    Edison was a technical person.

    I'd go as far as to label him an engineer. He ran his tests, went on scientific expeditions personally when needed.

    That not true with Bill Gates?

    Bill Gates would be a computer dude (if anything) which does not translate well to medical expertise.

    The question here is whether Bill Gates is more qualified than a biosecurity doctor (or however it is called in English) that
    you can pick at an hospital. Because that is exactly the point that is being done here - that Bill Gates is an A+ grade
    authority on the matter.

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Blue White on Sunday, January 31, 2021 19:55:32

    On Sunday, January 31st Blue White was heard saying...
    He employees experts. That doesn't make him the better source. What he should be doing is letting those employees do the talking.

    That's pretty much literally the opposite of what you ever want. Gates is well known public figure and though he was honestly horrible at it years ago, he's pretty well spoken now. His wife is even better.

    You need someone that people recognize and that will sum up the important bits, not a bunch of scientist blabbing on about details that cause the general public's eyes to glaze over.


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Ogg on Monday, February 01, 2021 11:35:42
    Ogg wrote (2021-01-31):

    BTW, with holdings of 49B in just one foundation, that's more
    than enough to bring most people on this planet out of poverty.

    If 49 billion is all what it takes to bring most people out of poverty, I wonder why it still has happened. You seem to be an expert on that topic, maybe you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Arelor on Monday, February 01, 2021 11:41:03
    Arelor wrote (2021-01-31):

    The question here is whether Bill Gates is more qualified than a biosecurity doctor (or however it is called in English) that you can pick at an hospital.

    He most likely is. Most doctors don't have the time to do the work he does and they wouldn't get paid for it. They have enough to do to care for their patients, especially in Covid-19 times.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Oli on Monday, February 01, 2021 07:00:44
    Re: the end game
    By: Oli to Arelor on Mon Feb 01 2021 11:41 am

    Arelor wrote (2021-01-31):

    The question here is whether Bill Gates is more qualified than a biosecurity doctor (or however it is called in English) that you can pick at an hospital.

    He most likely is. Most doctors don't have the time to do the work he does and they wouldn't get paid for it. They have enough to do to care for their patients,
    especially in Covid-19 times.

    My experience with high level managers is that they know what their projects do, but they are not authorities on the matter.

    An hospital here was recently purchased by the owner of a minining/canteer company. He has employees managing the hospital and while I am sure he has an idea of which
    things need expending or not, I doubt he knows how an hospital service works.

    I think the higher you go up the ladder the less you are an authority in what the org does and the more you are an authority in managing your stocks in the organization
    :-)

    This is just based on my experience ofc, but higher level directives are more focused on securing contracts with other organizations than on actually running the machine
    or bothering to understand how it runs.


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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ogg on Monday, February 01, 2021 10:59:25
    BTW, with holdings of 49B in just one foundation, that's more
    than enough to bring most people on this planet out of poverty.
    No poverty == much less disease. But it makes business sense to
    have an impoverished public to experiment on.

    We're talking about distributing vaccines to the entire planet. They have extensive operations in Africa and other improvished areas, to erridicate the diseases that contribute to that very poverty. How can you tend to your crops/future if you're sickly or caring or sick family members? How do you buy food/supplies if you have to spend it on Drs and Medicine?

    And experiment on? Really? Do you think he's a Bond villan? I don't know where this is coming from. It's a strange leap in logic.

    If BG was truly spouting philanthropy, he wouldn't need to hold
    on to those billions. He's only interested in control and
    dependency. He is funding multitudes of businesses to influence
    them, obtain dependency, and earn more

    The 49 billion in the Gates Foundation is no longer Gates to spend as he wishes, its under the control of the Foundation. Sure he's a very wealthy guy, but he's one of those who has committed to giving away more then half his wealth before he's dead. He's also argued frequently that taxes on the rich should be raised. He's not one of those Billionaires trying to cancel the estate tax and horde wealth just for himself.

    How many of us live in towns with University and Library buildings named after Carnegie? Billionares are not inherently evil. Foundations are not inherently evil.



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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Oli on Monday, February 01, 2021 12:57:11

    On Monday, February 1st Oli was heard saying...
    If 49 billion is all what it takes to bring most people out of poverty, I wonder why it still has happened. You seem to be an expert on that topic, maybe you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

    There have been a lot of studies on this -- I don't know what that the current estimates are, but they were higher in prior years so presumably higher now. E.g. more in the range of 200+B.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Blue White on Monday, February 01, 2021 19:59:17
    can appear to be an expert when he tries. He's so vain.
    He really is. IIRC, he is also an "expert" on nuclear power.

    I assume there's some combination of being used to being "the smartest person in the room" and having been one of the top 5 wealthiest people for the majority of of his life.

    I don't imagine most people would come out looking non-vain after that.

    At least he's better than Larry Ellison, I imagine. Or whomever the Oracle yacht guy is.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Oli on Wednesday, February 03, 2021 12:38:11
    Ogg wrote (2021-01-31):

    BTW, with holdings of 49B in just one foundation, that's more
    than enough to bring most people on this planet out of poverty.

    If 49 billion is all what it takes to bring most people out of
    poverty, I wonder why it still has happened. You seem to be an expert
    on that topic, maybe you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

    I guess the problem isn't getting people out of poverty, it's keeping them out of poverty. This requires social reforms, infrastructure, a working democracy, healthcare...


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Bob Roberts on Wednesday, February 03, 2021 12:43:27
    BTW, with holdings of 49B in just one foundation, that's more
    than enough to bring most people on this planet out of poverty.
    No poverty == much less disease. But it makes business sense to
    have an impoverished public to experiment on.

    We're talking about distributing vaccines to the entire planet. They
    have extensive operations in Africa and other improvished areas, to erridicate the diseases that contribute to that very poverty. How
    can you tend to your crops/future if you're sickly or caring or sick family members? How do you buy food/supplies if you have to spend it
    on Drs and Medicine?

    And experiment on? Really? Do you think he's a Bond villan? I
    don't know where this is coming from. It's a strange leap in logic.

    If BG was truly spouting philanthropy, he wouldn't need to hold
    on to those billions. He's only interested in control and
    dependency. He is funding multitudes of businesses to influence
    them, obtain dependency, and earn more

    The 49 billion in the Gates Foundation is no longer Gates to spend as
    he wishes, its under the control of the Foundation. Sure he's a very wealthy guy, but he's one of those who has committed to giving away
    more then half his wealth before he's dead. He's also argued
    frequently that taxes on the rich should be raised. He's not one of
    those Billionaires trying to cancel the estate tax and horde wealth
    just for himself.

    How many of us live in towns with University and Library buildings
    named after Carnegie? Billionares are not inherently evil.
    Foundations are not inherently evil.

    Agreed, but I think that getting buildings named after yourself probably has something to do with your own legacy rather than being nice.


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