I watched this on Netflix the other night. It came out in 1996 and it shows. The best bit for me was watching Tom Cruise's character trying to track down the bad guy online using keyword searches across Usenet newsgroups :)

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Hello Avon!

** On Tuesday 22.12.20 - 12:47, Avon wrote to All:

I watched this on Netflix the other night. It came out in
1996 and it shows. The best bit for me was watching Tom
Cruise's character trying to track down the bad guy online
using keyword searches across Usenet newsgroups :)

Is that the one where Cruise in one scene suspends himself
just a few inches above the floor, ..and when everything seems
to go well, a drop of sweat to the floor sets off the alarms?

The usenet scene sounds interesting. I forgot about that
detail.

A couple weeks ago I watched the 1981 Sean Connery film,
Outland. Takes place in a future time on the Jupiter moon Io.

The computer stuff lookes really dated - CRT screens. The
messages on the screen output as if from a 300 baud modem.


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On 21 Dec 2020 at 07:45p, Ogg pondered and said...

Is that the one where Cruise in one scene suspends himself
just a few inches above the floor, ..and when everything seems
to go well, a drop of sweat to the floor sets off the alarms?

Yep that's the one.

The usenet scene sounds interesting. I forgot about that
detail.

You and me both... I just figured I'd watch an early one and smiled when I
saw that scene.

A couple weeks ago I watched the 1981 Sean Connery film,
Outland. Takes place in a future time on the Jupiter moon Io.
The computer stuff lookes really dated - CRT screens. The
messages on the screen output as if from a 300 baud modem.

I may look for that too...

Pity that tech dates so quickly eh? It kinda stereotypes a film pretty
quickly.

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Hello Avon!

** On Tuesday 22.12.20 - 16:29, Avon wrote to Ogg:

Pity that tech dates so quickly eh? It kinda stereotypes a
film pretty quickly.

I've noticed that some "future based" TV series feature people
using what look like heads-up / transparent display screens,
or holographic screens that seemingly show up in mid air and
are touch sensitive. There is nothing like that in our real
world right now. Those films will always look futuristic
until technology can actually match that - but I doubt that
floating heads-up virtual screens will be possible. Some kind
of VR headgear might be required first.

I think the film The Circle utilized transparent desktop
monitors. I would think such a screen would be horrible to
work with if you can see the clutter or the desk or other
people behind the screen all the time.


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Am 22.12.20 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

I've noticed that some "future based" TV series feature people
using what look like heads-up / transparent display screens,
or holographic screens that seemingly show up in mid air and
are touch sensitive.

And I always think "is the content there actually readable?", as I even
have problems with transparent terminal windows (like they were hip in the early 2000s). So I guess, unless these "transparent" displays are able to provide good contrast, they won't be usable (at least for me).

Regards,
Anna

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Re: Mission Impossible 1
By: Avon to All on Tue Dec 22 2020 12:47 pm

I watched this on Netflix the other night. It came out in 1996 and it shows. The best bit for me was watching Tom Cruise's character trying to track down the bad guy online using keyword searches across Usenet newsgroups :)

Yeah, they botched it in Spanish version because Usenet was pretty much unknown and a lot of people could not figure out how Ethan Hunt was doing his searchs or where.

The original Mission Impossible cres (series) complained because of the way some characters got treated in the film.

Still, the first Mission Impossible film beats the crap out of the ones which followed.
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A couple weeks ago I watched the 1981 Sean Connery film,
Outland. Takes place in a future time on the Jupiter moon Io.
The computer stuff lookes really dated - CRT screens. The
messages on the screen output as if from a 300 baud modem.

Pity that tech dates so quickly eh? It kinda stereotypes a film pretty quickly.

This is one of the reasons why I like the Star Wars / Mandalorian set design so much. Especially the Imperial ships. All the dated push button controls from the 70's is still there. They embraced it instead of trying to modernize it. Even the security camera feeds are crappy old CRT type displays. The Imperials can make AI powered 'Droids, but they can't make a high-def display! I love it.

Bob Roberts
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I think the film The Circle utilized transparent desktop
monitors. I would think such a screen would be horrible to
work with if you can see the clutter or the desk or other
people behind the screen all the time.

Awww, you don't have your terminal windows set to partial transparency? It looks so cool! :-)

I think a virtural interface with "touch" UI could work. They could use some sort of Lidar to sense what you are "touching". As for projecting the UI... I'm not sure how that will ever work. Light needs to reflect of something.... I guess it could use some magical Trek force field. Or we all have personal smoke machines, projectors and lidar sensors.

Bob Roberts
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I watched this on Netflix the other night. It came out in 1996 and it shows. The best bit for me was watching Tom Cruise's character trying to track down the bad guy online using keyword searches across Usenet newsgroups :)

At least it wasn't the least bit silly at the time.

Reminds me of the movie where the climactic moment was people typing in IP addresses.

(Did I need the /s, here?)

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At least it wasn't the least bit silly at the time.

Reminds me of the movie where the climactic moment was people typing in IPaddresses.

I love it when I'm watching some movie or TV show and the IP address they're typing in is something like 545.27.433.43 - And I'm all like "Hey! That's not a real IP!"

They may do things like that on purpose so they don't send a bunch of people to someone's real IP (kind of like 555 telephone numbers).

Jay

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I love it when I'm watching some movie or TV show and the IP address they're typing in is something like 545.27.433.43 - And I'm all like
"Hey! That's not a real IP!"

Or impressive, deep code that just so happens to be HTML.

They may do things like that on purpose so they don't send a bunch of people to someone's real IP (kind of like 555 telephone numbers).

That _would_ be intelligent. And probably better than to assume that they
just didn't know what the numbers meant (If they wanted, they could share
some corporate IPs for the heck of it, and possibly have tie-ins.)

Still, most of the time I just view it as being super silly and part of the fiction. If I were a stickler on _that_ sort of thing (well, always), I'd probably be _way_ more upset with all the Sherlock Holmes stuff.

On the other hand, one of my most-disliked movies was Armageddon, entirely because they were _so_ terrible at science. E.g., couldn't they have the
miners drill a reasonable distance into an asteroid the size of Texas? (Or,
you know, have an asteroid size that's plausible and drill halfway into that)
I can forgive sending miners rather than astronauts and pretending that the space shuttle could somehow go far beyond low-earth orbit.

But that movie is _so_ old at this point. I should get newer examples, but maybe I just don't watch enough terrible blockbusters?

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Reminds me of the movie where the climactic moment was people typing in IP addresses.

"It's a UNIX system. I know this!"
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Two people one Keyboard.
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Avon wrote to All <=-

I watched this on Netflix the other night. It came out in 1996 and it shows. The best bit for me was watching Tom Cruise's character trying
to track down the bad guy online using keyword searches across Usenet newsgroups :)

There's a YouTube video parody of the original "24" series pilot, filmed in
1996. There's pagers, cell phones, fax machines and AOL.




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Ogg wrote to Avon <=-

I've noticed that some "future based" TV series feature people
using what look like heads-up / transparent display screens,
or holographic screens that seemingly show up in mid air and
are touch sensitive.

I think we have Tom Cruise and "Minority Report" for the hand swipe
floating UI. I wonder if in the future there'll be bickering about
the superiority over the UI that uses a heel swipe versus fingertips,
the same way we have KDE versus Gnome?



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Re: Re: Mission Impossible 1
By: Bob Roberts to Avon on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:11 am

displays. The Imperials can make AI powered 'Droids, but they can't make a high-def display! I love it.

I think of it like the Firefly 'verse. The core worlds are shiny and touchscreen, the fringe worlds are full of mudder, cows, and lo-tek.

I'd rather be in the latter.
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Re: Re: Mission Impossible 1
By: Adept to Avon on Tue Dec 22 2020 06:17 pm

Reminds me of the movie where the climactic moment was people typing in IP addresses.

Create a GUI USING A VISUAL BASIC INTERFACE. A HACKER IS PENETRATING OUR FIREWALL? LET'S BOTH TYPE TOGETHER ON THE SAME KEYBOARD.

Network TV's portrayal of infosec makes me appreciate Mr. Robot all that much more.
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Re: Re: Mission Impossible 1
By: Warpslide to Adept on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:36 pm

They may do things like that on purpose so they don't send a bunch of people to someone's real IP (kind of like 555 telephone numbers).

The April Fool's issue of Teleconnect Magazine (a telco magazine back in the 90's) had an article about how Bellcore was running out of imaginary 555- numbers. They were debating about opening up a "new" block of imaginary numbers and how to charge for them.
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Hello Bob!

** On Tuesday 22.12.20 - 10:16, Bob Roberts wrote to Ogg:

I think the film The Circle utilized transparent desktop
monitors. I would think such a screen would be horrible to
work with if you can see the clutter or the desk or other
people behind the screen all the time.

Awww, you don't have your terminal windows set to partial transparency?
It looks so cool! :-)

I liked the effect when I experimented with different linux distros. But I preferred it only when moving windows.

I think a virtural interface with "touch" UI could work. They could use some sort of Lidar to sense what you are "touching". As for projecting the UI... I'm not sure how that will ever work. Light needs to reflect
of something.... I guess it could use some magical Trek force field. Or we all have personal smoke machines, projectors and lidar sensors.

But the tactile feel would be missing in a light-based/virtual UI. I doubt that many people would warm up to using a screen like that on a regular basis. I think one of the NCIS spinoffs features something that looks like virtual in-the-middle-of-the-air screen technology.

Does the hologram technology that I've heard that they have used to seemingly bring back dead actors or singers in full 3D glory on stage and interact with live people require smoke for refecting the light?

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Create a GUI USING A VISUAL BASIC INTERFACE. A HACKER IS PENETRATING OUR FIREWALL? LET'S BOTH TYPE TOGETHER ON THE SAME KEYBOARD.

And so many movies have great fun with word salad.

E.g., as a moderately-informed technical person, I'll go, "I understood all
the words, just not what they were doing next to each

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all the words, just not what they were doing next to each

...anyone ever think, "Eh, I think that post wasn't particularly good, so
I'll just abort it.", and then hands just get to typing and save it, because that's what normally happens with messages?

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I think of it like the Firefly 'verse. The core worlds are shiny and touchscreen, the fringe worlds are full of mudder, cows, and lo-tek.

I'd rather be in the latter.

I want to be a mid-level bureaucrat on the shiny touchscreen world, working on the TPS reports of the future! As long as I make my boss look good I can sail under the radar and rake in those sweet government benefits!

Bob Roberts
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But the tactile feel would be missing in a light-based/virtual UI. I doubt that many people would warm up to using a screen like that on a regular basis. I think one of the NCIS spinoffs features something that looks like virtual in-the-middle-of-the-air screen technology.

True. And waving your arm about in front of you, in order to interface with a UI, seems a fairly inefficient way to get things done.

Does the hologram technology that I've heard that they have used to seemingly bring back dead actors or singers in full 3D glory on stage and interact with live people require smoke for refecting the light?

They are all modern versions of the "peppers ghost" illusion. A mylar sheet is hung at a 45 degree angle from the stage, and a projection is cast upon it. The system is called "Musion Eyeliner."

Bob Roberts
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On 23 Dec 2020, Adept said the following...

all the words, just not what they were doing next to each

...anyone ever think, "Eh, I think that post wasn't particularly good, so I'll just abort it.", and then hands just get to typing and save it, becausethat's what normally happens with messages?

LOL, muscle memory is a B!*(@...

Jay

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...anyone ever think, "Eh, I think that post wasn't particularly good I'll just abort it.", and then hands just get to typing and save it, becausethat's what normally happens with messages?

LOL, muscle memory is a B!*(@...

Yeah, though I find it super entertaining when my hands get it right despite
my brain thinking something else.

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Jack did not need no stinking smart phone...


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