• beer and trees

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to JF on Friday, December 18, 2020 19:11:00
    Hello Jf!

    ** On Friday 18.12.20 - 14:20, JF wrote to apam:

    A carton for me means a carton of cigarettes. Never heard
    of it being referred to booze.

    I've never heard of that either - here, in Canada. Usually we
    speak of getting a "6-pak" meaning the mini case of 6 cans.
    Otherwise the standard amount is referred to a "case of".


    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks
    for mine. That is, 40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US
    dollars afterall...

    Real trees are $50 here.



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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Ogg on Saturday, December 19, 2020 09:24:26
    On 18 Dec 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks
    for mine. That is, 40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US
    dollars afterall...

    Real trees are $50 here.

    We cheat. We have a fake tree that we decorated maybe 5 years ago. When the holiday season is done we through a giant plastic yard waste bag over the tree, decorations and all and drag it down into the basement. Next year cart the whole thing up, remove bag & presto!

    Jay

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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Ogg on Saturday, December 19, 2020 09:05:06
    I've never heard of that either - here, in Canada. Usually we
    speak of getting a "6-pak" meaning the mini case of 6 cans.

    Ok so I'm not crazy! English is my second language so some expressions are still unbeknownst (does that make sense?) to me.

    Otherwise the standard amount is referred to a "case of".

    Yes, definitely a 6-pak, a case of, a Tall Boy, etc.

    Real trees are $50 here.

    Do they come with the lights on at that price..? But yea, I believe 50$ is pretty average. I just got mine a little cheaper this time around. I
    purposely got a smaller tree this year to avoid scraping the ceiling like I
    did last year... Oops!

    JF

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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Warpslide on Saturday, December 19, 2020 09:09:35
    bag over the tree, de corations and all and drag it down into the basement. Next year cart the whole thing up, remov

    Wow, that's really next-level :) If I had the space, maybe I'd do the same thing, who knows.

    So far I've been using real trees to avoid using up storage space all year around, since it's a bit limited, but that darn tree stand is still half as
    big as a tree so in the end I'm still using up space. Oh well.

    JF

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Warpslide on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:29:34
    On 20 Dec 2020 at 08:04p, Warpslide pondered and said...


    We always had a real tree growing up. We didn't even need to buy one, there were several acres out back we just had to go and cut one down.
    I hear you about being messy, if you didn't keep them watered they drop needles
    like no tomorrow & they didn't feel very nice if you happened to step on one. Probably the tree's last vengeance...

    When I was young my family owned a batch near the beach and we would go stay
    in it over summer. Out the back was a large pine tree and we too also cut branches down to use as Christmas trees over the years. I was only 6,7,8
    years old but remember it fondly.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Warpslide on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:39:33
    Re: Re: beer and trees
    By: Warpslide to Ogg on Sat Dec 19 2020 09:24 am

    On 18 Dec 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks
    for mine. That is, 40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US
    dollars afterall...

    Real trees are $50 here.

    We cheat. We have a fake tree that we decorated maybe 5 years ago. When th holiday season is done we through a giant plastic yard waste bag over the tr decorations and all and drag it down into the basement. Next year cart the whole thing up, remove bag & presto!

    Jay

    We did something similar. Whe had the Chrismas stuff in a little shack alongside the mechanical lawn mower and other goodies we rarely use. We had a cheap plastic three and we used it once and again and again for decades.

    Until the dogs found a way into the shack and thought the tree was a toy.
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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Warpslide on Monday, December 28, 2020 09:47:16
    On 18 Dec 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks
    for mine. That is, 40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US
    dollars afterall...

    Real trees are $50 here.

    We cheat. We have a fake tree that we decorated maybe 5 years ago.
    When the holiday season is done we through a giant plastic yard waste
    bag over the tree, decorations and all and drag it down into the
    basement. Next year cart the whole thing up, remove bag & presto!

    I have vidid memories from my childhood of a tree like that. We did dismantle it after christmas every year and then put it together again and the thing I remember the most is the smell of it. It didn't smell plastic as such, and it didn't smell bad. It smelled like christmas in a way, at least that's what it meant to me back then.

    Nowadays we always get a proper tree for christmas in the Melin household.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Friday, January 01, 2021 11:47:02
    On 31 Dec 2020 at 11:03a, Ogg pondered and said...

    ..if it is a disservice to those we lost if we are not as
    overcome by grief as in the past?

    I don't think it is a disservice. I think that those we have lost
    would want us to function and carry on with happy, properous and meaningful lives. We can always reflect on the wonderful impact
    that those people had on our lives and not demonstrate sadness as
    if it were the only way to prove some sort of respect.


    I agree. I have been witness to a lot of grief this..whoops I mean last
    year... as my wife lost her mum in June 2020. Last night as we approached
    2021 she burst in to tears while reflecting on how tough the year had been.

    All I can really say is grief seems to come in waves and hits people at times when they least expect it. I think being able to talk about it, show people
    who are going though it compassion etc. is all anyone can really do.

    I do know in time things do feel/get better but that time scale can vary greatly between individuals.

    When I think of friends and family now departed I tend to with sense of fondness and perhaps a little bit of detached hindsight only brought about by the passage of time. Some things/people you loose are easier to handle than others... I suppose that's true for all of us eh?

    I'm a little fearful for the year ahead, my mum is also not 100% of health right now and I worry about how the next 365 days will roll out. I guess the trick is not to get too sucked into the worry machine and play each day/week
    as it comes... live in the now stuff...

    Anywho I'm rambling now too :)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Avon on Thursday, December 31, 2020 18:57:09
    Re: Re: Grief
    By: Avon to Ogg on Fri Jan 01 2021 11:47 am

    I'm a little fearful for the year ahead, my mum is also not 100% of health right no
    and I worry about how the next 365 days will roll out. I guess the trick is not to
    too sucked into the worry machine and play each day/week
    as it comes... live in the now stuff...

    Taking more time than you can manage in your head is one of the main roads to depresion. You don't want to go there.

    Atomize your worries in small chunks you can manage, one at a time. Otherwise you'll
    end up baning your head against a wall.
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Avon on Friday, January 01, 2021 11:55:43
    When I think of friends and family now departed I tend to with sense of fondness and perhaps a little bit of detached hindsight only brought
    about by the passage of time. Some things/people you loose are easier to handle than others... I suppose that's true for all of us eh?

    Occasionally I think about people in the long past. E.g., how about my great-great grandparents? I've never missed them, know nothing about them, barely understand how many of them there are (Yes, yes, exactly 16. Not being literal, here.).

    Yet, to my grandparents, they probably had some impact. And so much more to their parents.

    Do I dishonor them by not remembering, since I have no memory?

    And then on the opposite end, with my father or cat (both of whom died last year). I can't change either of their lives at this point, even if they
    became famous for some reason (Tupac-esque exceptions aside). What matters is all the people still living, because we can still change things.

    But having loved them, it hurts to not have them.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Friday, January 01, 2021 12:02:00
    Taking more time than you can manage in your head is one of the main
    roads to depresion. You don't want to go there.

    This reminds me about happiness research, and about one of the things that
    can help:

    gratitude

    Something about spending time in your head thinking about all the positive things that have happened in your life gets people on a better path.

    Not a cure-all, of course (nothing is), but evidently it's one of the better things, from what research we have.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Friday, January 01, 2021 11:32:31
    Re: Re: Grief
    By: Adept to Arelor on Fri Jan 01 2021 12:02 pm

    Taking more time than you can manage in your head is one of the main roads to depresion. You don't want to go there.

    This reminds me about happiness research, and about one of the things that can help:

    gratitude

    Something about spending time in your head thinking about all the positive things that have happened in your life gets people on a better path.

    Not a cure-all, of course (nothing is), but evidently it's one of the better things, from what research we have.

    I think horses work better.

    But then, the list of positive things in my life is short and most of it has horses or dogs in it anyway.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Friday, January 01, 2021 13:19:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 01.01.21 - 11:32, Arelor wrote to Adept:

    Something about spending time in your head thinking about all
    the positive things that have happened in your life gets
    people on a better path.

    Not a cure-all, of course (nothing is), but evidently it's
    one of the better things, from what research we have.

    I think horses work better.

    But then, the list of positive things in my life is short and most of it has horses or dogs in it anyway.

    That reminds me of a time, when I got upset about something.. so
    I headed for a walk to the back fields (it was at least 1km from
    the house), and climbed high into a random tree to hide and get
    away from family shit.

    Some time later when the family realized I was missing (it was
    well passed supper time and getting dark). my brother and his
    girlfriend headed out as a search party to look for me. They
    brought along my Border Collie. The dog sniffed me out and
    indicated my location. Ratted out by my own best friend - what a
    let down - or so I thought. After a few more unconvincing
    reasons not to bother to come down upon *their* request, they
    started to go back home - but the dog refused to leave. They
    tried to drag the dog along, but she just turned and came back to
    the tree.

    After a nearly a solid hour (then being already 30 minutes after
    sunset), I climbed down - and spent good company with the dog at
    the base of tree for a little while longer.

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Adept on Saturday, January 02, 2021 09:33:56
    On 01 Jan 2021 at 11:55a, Adept pondered and said...

    Occasionally I think about people in the long past. E.g., how about my great-great grandparents? I've never missed them, know nothing about
    them, barely understand how many of them there are (Yes, yes, exactly
    16. Not being literal, here.).

    Do I dishonor them by not remembering, since I have no memory?

    I think you do them no disservice, indeed by reflecting on them (regardless
    of how well you did/didn't know them) you do them a service. As I have gotten older I've started to dig a little more into my family history. Some past
    great uncles etc. that I knew of by name and that they had been killed in a past war but little more than that. I've found that when the mood takes me to investigate and learn a bit more in the end I come away feeling rather
    engaged with history and also a little closer to someone I knew as a distant relative, and whist still never to meet them, feel I know them a little
    better for what they were doing when alive.

    But having loved them, it hurts to not have them.

    On that I'm sure we all agree :(

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply. :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Adept on Saturday, January 02, 2021 09:37:58
    On 01 Jan 2021 at 12:02p, Adept pondered and said...

    gratitude
    Something about spending time in your head thinking about all the
    positive things that have happened in your life gets people on a better path.

    Not a cure-all, of course (nothing is), but evidently it's one of the better things, from what research we have.

    This is something psychologists in NZ were also telling folks during our (and after) our lock down. I think it is a very worthwhile tool in the tool belt
    of mental health. It can feel a little weird being consciously grateful but
    it does have a good outcome on mental wellbeing.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Saturday, January 02, 2021 09:50:13
    On 01 Jan 2021 at 01:19p, Ogg pondered and said...

    After a nearly a solid hour (then being already 30 minutes after sunset), I climbed down - and spent good company with the dog at
    the base of tree for a little while longer.

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.

    Animals are super empathetic creatures and I'm glad your dog helped you
    through a difficult time. I vote we give a point to team canine :)

    Canine 1, Humans .5 (gotta give us something :))

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Ogg on Friday, January 01, 2021 23:12:45
    That reminds me of a time, when I got upset about something.. so
    I headed for a walk to the back fields (it was at least 1km from
    the house), and climbed high into a random tree to hide and get
    away from family shit.
    Some time later when the family realized I was missing (it was
    well passed supper time and getting dark). my brother and his
    girlfriend headed out as a search party to look for me. They
    brought along my Border Collie. The dog sniffed me out and
    indicated my location. Ratted out by my own best friend - what a
    let down - or so I thought. After a few more unconvincing
    reasons not to bother to come down upon *their* request, they
    started to go back home - but the dog refused to leave. They
    tried to drag the dog along, but she just turned and came back to
    the tree.
    After a nearly a solid hour (then being already 30 minutes after sunset), I climbed down - and spent good company with the dog at
    the base of tree for a little while longer.

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.


    Not sure what this conversation is about, but Ogg, that was incredible what you wrote. It pretty much defines the journey I experienced in grief, after losing my mom. Very well written my friend.

    -tG

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Saturday, January 02, 2021 20:56:00
    On 01-02-21 09:37, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    This is something psychologists in NZ were also telling folks during
    our (and after) our lock down. I think it is a very worthwhile tool in
    the tool belt of mental health. It can feel a little weird being consciously grateful but it does have a good outcome on mental
    wellbeing.

    Yes, I've read a few articles about the mental health benefits of gratitude. Interesting.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to The Godfather on Monday, January 04, 2021 17:35:00
    Hello The!

    ** On Friday 01.01.21 - 23:12, The Godfather wrote to Ogg:

    After a nearly a solid hour (then being already 30 minutes
    after sunset), I climbed down - and spent good company with
    the dog at the base of tree for a little while longer.

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.

    Not sure what this conversation is about, but Ogg, that was
    incredible what you wrote. It pretty much defines the
    journey I experienced in grief, after losing my mom. Very
    well written my friend.

    Sorry if I have revived some hard memories for you. My story was
    in response to Arelor's when it came to connecting with animals
    in difficult times.

    I wouldn't say my story was "well written" ..I kind of just
    flowed out in a stream of consciencious way ..spelling and
    grammar mistakes included.



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Avon on Monday, January 04, 2021 17:38:00
    Hello Avon!

    ** On Saturday 02.01.21 - 09:50, Avon wrote to Ogg:

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.

    Animals are super empathetic creatures and I'm glad your dog helped you through a difficult time. I vote we give a point to team canine :)

    Canine 1, Humans .5 (gotta give us something :))

    Sadly, she met an unnecessary and totally preventable fate barely
    2 years into her life. That is another story, perhaps for
    another time.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Monday, January 04, 2021 16:54:17
    Re: Grief
    By: Ogg to Avon on Mon Jan 04 2021 05:38 pm

    Hello Avon!

    ** On Saturday 02.01.21 - 09:50, Avon wrote to Ogg:

    Humans failed. The dog succeeded.

    Animals are super empathetic creatures and I'm glad your dog helped you through a difficult time. I vote we give a point to team canine :)

    Canine 1, Humans .5 (gotta give us something :))

    Sadly, she met an unnecessary and totally preventable fate barely
    2 years into her life. That is another story, perhaps for
    another time.

    I am so sorry.

    Consider yourself brohugged.

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