On 03 Jan 2021, Ogg said the following...
Chat function has long been a part of BBS, although generally between local nodes of a BBS. Adapting it to work between multiple BBSes or an IM program like IRC shouldn't be difficult if someone has the need skills to do so.
The chat-type function/presentation that I was referring to was
one where there are multiple panels on screen. I think Palantir
or Dangerbay implement something like that.
I'm not familiar with either of those, I'd have to look that up.
I recently learned that an Android development kit is available
for download. I grabbed it, but I haven't installed it yet. So,
you'll certainly need at least a laptop to use it.
Acutally, it's possible to develop Android apps in Termux. Those Developement kits certainly make it easier, but not absolutely necessary.
IM-style on a regular basis is not my thing either. But the "tg
BBS" service is a cool experience even if just wishing to lurk or
just to get notifications of arrivals. A simple oneliner reply
is quick and convenient. The desktop version of Telegram is no different than many other dedicated interfaces that people are
already used to on their desktops, such as Spotify's program.
As I've said, It's a good tool for some people, and I liked testing it out.
It just wasn't for me. And honestly, I needed the room on my phone for other endeavors. I'm working with SyncTerm in Termux now to see about the
potential of it, or something similar with a better ANSI graphic caoability works from an Android device. I mentioned some issues in an earlier post.
That doesn't mean nothing should change. Otherwise, I wouldn't be pos this reply.
Tim Pozar (instrumental is building software to map Fidonet to
the Internet) [ref. The Virtual Community, by Howard Rheinhold,
p. 139] built the bridge to allow Fidonet to reach Usenet.
Granted, part of that may have turned into a failure as Usenet
started getting littered with spam, but the concept of a netmail<-->email gateway remained, and later the JAMnntp concept
was inspired.
Yes, and I wouldn't say it was necessarily a failure because of the gateway, but a failure on Usenet allowing the spam through.
And who in BBS-land doesn't appreciate a netmail-to-email
connection or even feeding echomail via JAMnntp?
The "tg BBS" service is simply an extension of what BBSes can be especially since it addresses the modern tablets and smartphones
that new people use today.
I don't think I've ever really had a successful Netmail-email connection. Or
at leastbI never figured it out successfully.
Sometimes I get the feeling you think I'm against things when I'm not. I
just have had a lot of experience in Change Management, so I try to
understand the difficulties people might have with new ways of doing things, and voice what I see their concerns might be so that the people involved in
the new things might bbe able to understand them and address them.
It frustrates me to no end that I rarely see any expression of understanding
.
But if I am making a change to something, or making something new, I' going to do my best to make sure it's compatible with what is already there. I'm also going to take pains in explainging what I am doing, w am doing it, and any other questions people might have.
That is why FUTURE4FIDO, FIDOTEST, and FIDONET.TELEGRAM echos
exist. ;)
To a point, yes.
People are hesitant to accept change. Especially when it comes to thi that they like and have enjoyed for years. These are some of the same people that have kept this hobby of ours going for decades.
Without the BinkD project (and that was a Z2 creation) BBSing as
it was originally designed for POTS and dialup would have failed
sooner. :/
Yes, And while I was around the BBS community back then, I was a lowly user, and didn't see a lot of the compkaints and arguing that changes brought, but I'm sure there was some.
But again, this isn't about change is bad. It's about how do you impkement change somewhere with decades of tadition without civil war.
For example, say you wanted to introduce the Telegram-BBS functionality to fsxNet. First off, since Stas hasn't released his bot/gate/mailer publ8calky yet, you'd have to get his BBS onto fsxNet. Then, since there aren't
moderators really, I suppose you'd need to go to Avon and discuss it with him.
I would assume he'd have questions. And you, as the biggest promoter of it,
or Stas, as the developer, of even I could answer thise questions.
At that point, either Avon could possibly greenlight it, or he could bring it up for discussion in the Network. If it were me, I'd hold a pyblic discussion about it before it went live regardless. Make it understood that it's
basically a non traditional BBS on a secure chat server that only members of those chat groups have access to. It's not something that posts the messages on Twitter, or Instagram or the like.
Actually, if I understand what I was reading about Telegram, the chat groups there are encrypted so that no one outside members of the group can even read them. That's a point you should highlight in you promotion.
So moving forward is a process, and will take time.
I agree. But lets learn to recognize where this is potential
when it surfaces and get excited about it - not whine about it
when it seems that certain things change as a result.
Like I've saud, you're always going to have complaints.
To get the excitement, That's likely never going to happen from inside the Networks. For that, you're going to have to find people from outside the BBS community that might have an interest and involve them that way. You start bringing new blood into the community, that's what will get excitement.
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