• Bored

    From apam@21:1/126 to ALL on Monday, October 05, 2020 14:57:39
    Hello

    Kind of bored sitting in front of the computer, logging into various bbses and exploring.

    The last couple of days I've been setting up a new WWIV BBS. It's called "The Barbed Hook".

    Still keeping this BBS though, it's something to work on when I get the motivation again. Needs private messaging and the ability to set pointers. It wouldn't take long, just have no motivation to do it.

    It's been fairly hot here today, not super hot, but not jumper weather.

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time (hose gets water in it for some reason).

    There you go, now you know some of the CPAP lingo. Well, that's all the lingo I
    know anyway :P Exciting stuff.

    If you want to have a look at my WWIV bbs, it's at barbedhook.ddns.net:2323

    Oh I updated my sudoku door game, it now times the game and has a top 10 leaderboard.

    Well, have fun.

    Andrew


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Monday, October 05, 2020 17:15:00
    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time

    Rain, hail or shine I can't see CPAP being fun any of the time. I s'pose you get used to it though. I got pushed into a sleep clinic that wired you up and did all the is he breathing type setup. In the morning they ask did you sleep?
    Well I s'pose I must have, but I don't remember... that'll do, tick... <chuckle> Maybe you need a regulator for the air line... or a moisture trap... basically just a little jar with a tap on the bottom, and hose fittings at the top... if there's a enough moisture to pool it sits in the collector until you empty it.

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Spectre on Monday, October 05, 2020 09:14:00
    Hello Spectre!

    ** On Monday 05.10.20 - 17:15, Spectre wrote to apam:

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time

    Rain, hail or shine I can't see CPAP being fun any of the time. I s'pose you get used to it though. I got pushed into a sleep clinic that wired
    you up and did all the is he breathing type setup. In the morning they ask did you sleep? Well I s'pose I must have, but I don't remember... that'll do, tick... <chuckle>

    You don't remember if you slept? That's another problem! LOL



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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Apam on Monday, October 05, 2020 14:32:13
    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: apam(21:1/126)


    It's been fairly hot here today, not super hot, but not jumper weather.

    Same here..> Still hot, still fires :(

    rushfan


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  • From Bugz@21:4/110 to apam on Monday, October 05, 2020 11:24:32
    apam wrote to ALL <=-

    Kind of bored sitting in front of the computer, logging into various
    bbses and exploring.

    Hi Apam, hey I need some better and scary ANSI for my haunted system.
    (I'm kidding.)

    It seems like my Haunted BBS needs something else, but I'm just not sure
    what. [Besides callers! hahaha.]

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time (hose gets water in it for some reason).

    This I do know something about. Try covering the hose with a blanket or
    sheet so there's less of a temperature difference to cause condensation.

    Take care,
    bugz
    (Steve)

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  • From Kurisu@21:3/122 to Rushfan on Monday, October 05, 2020 11:29:53
    Here in Memphis it's finally getting to be cold. Used to be normal in October, but the past 15-20 years it's seemed to stay hot longer into the Fall. Wasn't totally prepared for it this year, but hey, I'll take that over 90+ with 90% Humidity all the time.
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to apam on Monday, October 05, 2020 14:23:13

    Hello

    Kind of bored sitting in front of the computer, logging into various bbses and exploring.

    The last couple of days I've been setting up a new WWIV BBS. It's called "The Barbed Hook".

    Still keeping this BBS though, it's something to work on when I get the motivation again. Needs private messaging and the ability to set pointers. It wouldn't take long, just have no motivation to do it.

    It's been fairly hot here today, not super hot, but not jumper weather.

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time (hose gets water in it for some reason).

    There you go, now you know some of the CPAP lingo. Well, that's all the lingo I know anyway :P Exciting stuff.

    If you want to have a look at my WWIV bbs, it's at barbedhook.ddns.net:2323

    Oh I updated my sudoku door game, it now times the game and has a top 10 leaderboard.

    Well, have fun.

    Andrew

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 09:16:00
    did you sleep? Well I s'pose I must have, but I don't
    remember... that'll do, tick... <chuckle>

    You don't remember if you slept? That's another problem! LOL

    You're wired up to the hilt, electrodes over your head, chest, a mask on your face measuring respiration... Its exceedingly uncomfortable, so I found I couldn't just go to sleep in any normal sort of way.... just sit there uncomfortable and wait for the time to pass... did I nod off? probably...

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bugz on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 09:49:00
    This I do know something about. Try covering the hose with a blanket or sheet so there's less of a temperature difference to cause condensation.

    That's interesting... wouldn't have expected enough temp difference to make any difference, still I s'pose its an air flow compared to static so it could well be. On some level, my theory was the same as a compressor, at some point the thing is pushing air so its being squashed if not necessarily compressed, but when you squash air the moisture falls out. Which is why you end up with the receiver full of water, and some in the airlines.. so you normally stick the moisture filter near the compressor.

    Spec


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  • From Hatton@21:4/10 to Ogg on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 03:42:54
    Re: Bored
    By: Ogg to Spectre on Mon Oct 05 2020 09:14 am

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the
    time

    You're putting too much water in the reservoir (at least that's what has happened to me)

    Rain, hail or shine I can't see CPAP being fun any of the time. I
    s'pose you get used to it though.

    I sure as hell did... and it's helped my blood pressure numbers massively.

    Then again, I learned how to sleep on a carrier underneath a catapult while working night shift.

    Hatton

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Hatton on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 15:54:01
    You're putting too much water in the reservoir (at least that's what has
    happened to me)


    Yeah, I don't think that's it. It has a line where to fill it up to, and I only
    put about half that.

    I've tried everything, have the humidity down to 0, it's supposed to have a heated hose, and I've got a cover on it (like a blanket)

    The thing is it's only started happening in the last few months (well it's always happened in cold weather, but now it happens even when it's not particularly cold).

    I sure as hell did... and it's helped my blood pressure numbers massively.

    Yeah, I'm used to mine I don't get a very good sleep without it. Apparently with my sleep study I was stopping breathing about twice a minute... so it was kind of urgent to be on one.

    Andrew


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  • From Bugz@21:4/110 to Spectre on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 09:29:23
    Spectre wrote to Bugz <=-

    This I do know something about. Try covering the hose with a blanket or sheet so there's less of a temperature difference to cause condensation.

    so it could well be. On some level, my theory was the same as a compressor, at some point the thing is pushing air so its being
    squashed if not necessarily compressed, but when you squash air the moisture falls out. Which is why you end up with the receiver full of

    The pressures involved aren't really that high. CPAP is limited to how
    high it can go. The BIPAP is the next level up. It has to monitor the respiration and work with the wearer. I've never seen one of those --
    I hope I never do.

    But once the CPAP gets up to speed, the pressure stays mostly constant.
    There's slight changes when you breath, but it should (I think) be mostly
    the same.

    CPAP = "Constant Positive Airway Pressure"

    My Mom has had a CPAP for many years. It's a really old model, no
    heater, no tank (for water/moisture). In wintertime it is rough for
    her, it blows ice cold air onto her sinuses. She uses the blankets to
    try to pre-warm the air some. I've got a newer one with the heater and
    tank.

    Take care,

    bugz
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  • From Bugz@21:4/110 to apam on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 09:29:23
    apam wrote to Hatton <=-

    I've tried everything, have the humidity down to 0, it's supposed to
    have a heated hose, and I've got a cover on it (like a blanket)

    I wonder if the heater in the hose went out?

    Take care,
    bugz

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to apam on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:03:25
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: apam to Hatton on Tue Oct 06 2020 03:54 pm


    Apparently with my sleep study I was stopping breathing about twice a minute...

    Hmm, my doctor just ordered a sleep study for me. Not really sure what to expect or when it'll be. Sounds like it'll be a fun night.

    Jay

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Apam on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 17:57:53
    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: apam(21:1/126)


    If you want to have a look at my WWIV bbs, it's at
    barbedhook.ddns.net:2323

    I bet you raided the file library :) all good.
    Maybe you can see if there is any code additions that could make it better.


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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Hatton on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 20:17:00
    10-06-20 03:42 Hatton wrote to Ogg about Bored
    Howdy! Hatton and All,

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    Re: Bored
    By: Ogg to Spectre on Mon Oct 05 2020 09:14 am

    -snip-

    Then again, I learned how to sleep on a carrier underneath a catapult while working night shift.

    My bunk was under Number Three Landing Wire. IIRC

    BOOM SCREECH WHIRRRR SWISH-SHISH

    Over and Over and Over.

    I've told people because I could sleep fine under an airport, I can sleep anywhere.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Utopian Galt on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 12:13:52
    I bet you raided the file library :) all good.

    The file library?

    Maybe you can see if there is any code additions that could make it better.

    The file library? or wwiv?

    Andrew


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Apam on Tuesday, October 06, 2020 22:14:30
    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: apam(21:1/126)


    Maybe you can see if there is any code additions that could make it
    better.

    The file library? or wwiv?
    You visited my system a few times, its cool if you grabbed all the wwiv related
    files off my system.

    wwiv i meant on the 2nd question.


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Utopian Galt on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 15:59:23
    You visited my system a few times, its cool if you grabbed all the wwiv
    related files off my system.


    Oh ok. No, I didn't have access to the file system. I will try again though would be interested to see what's there.

    I was playing that wheel of fortune game :)

    Andrew


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 16:25:09
    Re: Bored
    By: apam to ALL on Mon Oct 05 2020 02:57 pm

    Have not been getting much sleep due to CPAP raining out all the time (hose gets water in it for some reason).

    There you go, now you know some of the CPAP lingo. Well, that's all the lingo I know anyway :P Exciting stuff.

    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows",
    not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    digital man

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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 12:15:55
    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: Digital Man(21:1/183)


    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it
    ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it
    reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely
    irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is
    just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows", not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    I use the nose pillows one too. I'm obviously not a doctor, so can't really give advice, but it sounds like the full force flow is too much. Sometimes my CPAP goes crazy and is forcing air up my nose at an alarming rate and I have to
    take it off. Usually though, when I wake up it's fairly slow, I guess it's just
    got to maintain a certain pressure.

    Obviously the CPAP is doing you no good if you can't wear it, perhaps your mouth is open when you sleep? then the pressure would escape and it would ramp up. When I started I used to sleep with my mouth open and they made me wear a chin strap. My father-in-law tapes his mouth shut with tape - I wouldn't recommend that, as it kind of freaks me out (What if i get a blocked nose lol)

    Anyway, probably best to talk with your doctor, or CPAP supplier.

    Andrew


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Apam on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 19:52:28
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: Apam to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 12:15 pm

    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: Digital Man(21:1/183)


    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows", not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    I use the nose pillows one too. I'm obviously not a doctor, so can't really give advice, but it sounds like the full force flow is too much. Sometimes my CPAP goes crazy and is forcing air up my nose at an alarming rate and I have to take it off. Usually though, when I wake up it's fairly slow, I guess it's just got to maintain a certain pressure.

    It's good to know that the "full force" isn't expected.

    Obviously the CPAP is doing you no good if you can't wear it, perhaps your mouth is open when you sleep? then the pressure would escape and it would ramp up.

    It's a possibilty, but I don't *think* so, as opening your mouth with the CPAP is a strange sensation and it actually creates kind of a suction that keeps my mouth closed (I think). I suppose I could video record myself sleeping to find out for sure. I definitely don't want to do another sleep study; those are tortuous for me.

    When I started I used to sleep with my mouth open and they made me
    wear a chin strap. My father-in-law tapes his mouth shut with tape - I wouldn't recommend that, as it kind of freaks me out (What if i get a blocked nose lol)

    Anyway, probably best to talk with your doctor, or CPAP supplier.

    Yes, of course. Just glad to hear from another "consumer". Thanks,

    digital man

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 15:58:18
    There you go, now you know some of the CPAP lingo. Well, that's all the lingo I know anyway :P Exciting stuff.

    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it
    ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it

    I've heard of this gear, never had to use it (thankfully) but am fascinated
    by this thread. I hope you get some resolution to the niggles you're having.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 16:03:52
    On 07 Oct 2020 at 07:52p, Digital Man pondered and said...

    It's good to know that the "full force" isn't expected.

    The force is strong with this one - Vader (A New Hope)

    .. sorry, couldn't resist. :)

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Avon on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 20:15:00
    Re: Re: CPAP
    By: Avon to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 03:58 pm

    There you go, now you know some of the CPAP lingo. Well, that's all the lingo I know anyway :P Exciting stuff.

    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it

    I've heard of this gear, never had to use it (thankfully) but am fascinated by this thread. I hope you get some resolution to the niggles you're having.
    Yeah, I was first diagnosed with sleep apnea in 2001 but didn't get a CPAP until just a few years ago at my wife's insistance and after a second sleep study confirmed the apnea was bad (and supposedly dangerous). I know the companies that sell the machines and parts/supplies make a good profit from the
    insurance companies, so I was a little skeptical if the apnea is as dangerous as they make it out to be. But out of an abundance of caution, I'm trying to give it another go, but I've never successfully kept the device "on" for a full
    night's sleep yet. There's an app on my phone which communicates (via the "cloud") with the CPAP machine, so it knows exactly how long I managed to keep it on each night and different problems with the connetion/flow. It is an impressive peice of gear.

    digital man

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 23:51:00
    Hello Digital!

    ** On Wednesday 07.10.20 - 20:15, Digital Man wrote to Avon:

    ..There's an app on my phone which communicates (via the
    "cloud") with the CPAP machine, so it knows exactly how
    long I managed to keep it on each night and different
    problems with the connetion/flow. It is an impressive
    peice of gear.

    Via the cloud? :/ Is the comm connection secure and encrypted?




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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Ogg on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 21:09:57
    Re: CPAP
    By: Ogg to Digital Man on Wed Oct 07 2020 11:51 pm

    Hello Digital!

    ** On Wednesday 07.10.20 - 20:15, Digital Man wrote to Avon:

    ..There's an app on my phone which communicates (via the
    "cloud") with the CPAP machine, so it knows exactly how
    long I managed to keep it on each night and different
    problems with the connetion/flow. It is an impressive
    peice of gear.

    Via the cloud? :/ Is the comm connection secure and encrypted?

    I assume so. The CPAP uses some low-speed/cheap cellular data connection (which
    I don't pay for) and the phone is most likely using TLS over TCP/IP over whatever Internet connection I have for it at the moment (usually Wifi to my cable modem). So, lots of opportunities for leakage and men in the middle. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 17:26:07
    On 07 Oct 2020 at 08:15p, Digital Man pondered and said...

    Yeah, I was first diagnosed with sleep apnea in 2001 but didn't get a
    CPAP until just a few years ago at my wife's insistance and after a
    second sleep study confirmed the apnea was bad (and supposedly

    It is an impressive peice of gear.

    I guess it's one of those things really, once you know there's a more serious issue it's the kind of thing you want to use as many options that are
    available to sort.

    That said, I've always wondered how easy (if at all) it is to try and sleep with something puffing air up your nose that's on your face. I'm afraid I
    would not do well in that camp. I would revert to thinking I was in some
    scene from an Aliens movie and the creature was out to get me. Sad eh? :)

    Well the day is drawing to a close here, not long home from work. Got some
    food heating up in the oven, working on some node applications and then some inter-bbs configs.

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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 15:00:32
    RE: Re: Bored
    BY: Digital Man(21:1/183)


    It's a possibilty, but I don't *think* so, as opening your mouth with
    the CPAP is a strange sensation and it actually creates kind of a
    suction that keeps my mouth closed (I think). I suppose I could video record myself sleeping to find out for sure. I definitely don't want to
    do another sleep study; those are tortuous for me.

    Oh yes, they are tortuous for everyone ;)

    Personally I'd see if they can dial it down a bit.

    Andrew


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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 15:03:35
    RE: Re: CPAP
    BY: Digital Man(21:1/183)


    parts/supplies make a good profit from the insurance companies, so I was
    a little skeptical if the apnea is as dangerous as they make it out to
    be. But out of an abundance of caution, I'm trying to give it another

    Oh, I am glad I'm not the only one who's skeptical :) They make a fortune on stuff here. One of my pillow nose masks cost around $300. $300 for a bit of tube with nose holes. Riiiggghht.

    Oh well. I've kind of become dependent on it.

    Andrew


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  • From HSM@21:2/162 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 08:34:38
    On 07 Oct 2020, Digital Man said the following...
    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it
    ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it
    reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely
    irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is
    just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows", not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    Skip the ramp up, just go full force. I use the nose pillows too and they
    are far better than a full mask. Maybe try some melatonin to help you get to sleep while you are getting used to it. I can't sleep without the CPAP.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to HSM on Thursday, October 08, 2020 17:28:13
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am


    Maybe try some melatonin to help you get to sleep while you are getting used to it. I can't sleep without the CPAP.

    I love me some melatonin. For awhile there I was taking way too much (10mg) then I came across this healthy sleep formula. Now I take 2mg of melatonin with 500mg of niacinamide and I usually sleep right through the night & don't feel groggy the next morning.

    https://www.grc.com/health/sleep/healthy_sleep_formula.htm

    Jay

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Warpslide on Thursday, October 08, 2020 17:45:16
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: Warpslide to HSM on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:28 pm

    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am


    Maybe try some melatonin to help you get to sleep while you are getting used to it. I can't sleep without the CPAP.

    I love me some melatonin. For awhile there I was taking way too much (10mg) then I came across this healthy sleep formula. Now I take 2mg of melatonin with 500mg of niacinamide and I usually sleep right through the night & don' feel groggy the next morning.

    https://www.grc.com/health/sleep/healthy_sleep_formula.htm

    Jay

    ... Acupuncture is a jab well done

    I have thought about carrying melatonin in my store, and I will probably add it at some point, but so far people here likes Phyto TS from LKN's lab. It has a lot of flowers in its list of ingredients, but I use it ocasinally and it works wonders hahaha.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 23:41:35
    (which I don't pay for) and the phone is most likely using TLS over
    TCP/IP over whatever Internet connection I have for it at the moment (usually Wifi to my cable modem). So, lots of opportunities for leakage and men in the middle. :-)

    The rest of us just give our sleep and exercise data to Fitbit (soon to be owned by Google), or just cut out the need for middlemen entirely by letting Google or Apple keep track of all our movements.

    But with a cellphone, I suppose they'd have to guess a bit more at our sleep quality.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to HSM on Thursday, October 08, 2020 19:04:25
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am

    On 07 Oct 2020, Digital Man said the following...
    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely
    irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows", not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    Skip the ramp up, just go full force.

    So you have it start up full force?

    I use the nose pillows too and they
    are far better than a full mask. Maybe try some melatonin to help you get to sleep while you are getting used to it. I can't sleep without the CPAP.

    I don't have any trouble falling asleep with it (at least when it starts out on
    low pressure), but always get woken up (after about 45 minutes) by the full blast up my nose and it seems to be spraying my face. At that point, I'm tired and irritated that it woke me up, so I always rip it off my head and fall right
    back asleep. I'll try it without the ramp up since that just isn't working for me. Thanks,

    digital man

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 08, 2020 23:54:00
    Hello Digital!

    ** On Wednesday 07.10.20 - 21:09, Digital Man wrote to Ogg:

    ..There's an app on my phone which communicates (via the
    "cloud") with the CPAP machine, so it knows exactly how..

    Via the cloud? :/ Is the comm connection secure and encrypted?

    I assume so. The CPAP uses some low-speed/cheap cellular
    data connection (which I don't pay for) and the phone is
    most likely using TLS over TCP/IP over whatever Internet
    connection I have for it at the moment (usually Wifi to
    my cable modem). So, lots of opportunities for leakage
    and men in the middle. :-)

    Encryption would be the obvious thing to implement for a life-
    dependent machine like CPAP.

    Do key fobs still operate unencrypted? I know that they
    utilize rolling codes, so that "grabbing" the signal from a
    nearby fob nolonger works as a means to break in since the
    signal is different the next time you use it. But if the
    rolling code is sequential - which has been found to be the
    case for some manufacturers - then the rolling code is a
    useless solution.

    A couple of articles I've read describe that some key fobs
    implement random rolling codes so that it would be harder to
    predict the next pattern to activate anything.

    I am surprised that something like a PGP key exchange isn't
    implemented for things like that.

    Have you heard of these stories?:

    Hacking diabetes: People break into insulin pumps as an ...
    medicalxpress.com > Diabetes Jun 5, 2019 - Just before the
    start of Memorial Day weekend, Meg Green meticulously followed
    online instructions for hacking an insulin pump.

    FDA issues new alert on Medtronic insulin pump security ... www.healthcareitnews.com > news > fda-issues-new-ale... Jul 1,
    2019 - The list of connected devices susceptible to attacks
    has now expanded once again, as the U.S. Food and Drug
    Administration issued an alert on June 27 warning that some
    insulin pumps from Medtronic are vulnerable to hackers, who
    could remotely gain access to and control them.

    And.. it is all because the signal is not encrypted.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Ogg on Thursday, October 08, 2020 22:16:28
    Re: CPAP opportunities for MitM attack
    By: Ogg to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 11:54 pm

    ..There's an app on my phone which communicates (via the
    "cloud") with the CPAP machine, so it knows exactly how..

    Via the cloud? :/ Is the comm connection secure and encrypted?

    I assume so. The CPAP uses some low-speed/cheap cellular
    data connection (which I don't pay for) and the phone is
    most likely using TLS over TCP/IP over whatever Internet
    connection I have for it at the moment (usually Wifi to
    my cable modem). So, lots of opportunities for leakage
    and men in the middle. :-)

    Encryption would be the obvious thing to implement for a life-
    dependent machine like CPAP.

    I don't think the CPAP can be *controlled* remotely, just monitored. Also, it seems to be a "push" protocol (from the CPAP to whatever cloud-server), so they
    don't have to go polling thousands of inactive or unused devices with statistics to report. And yeah, I'm sure the data is encrypted, though that doesn't always mean "secure".

    digital man

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Friday, October 09, 2020 04:32:38
    Re: CPAP opportunities for MitM attack
    By: Ogg to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 11:54 pm

    Do key fobs still operate unencrypted? I know that they
    utilize rolling codes, so that "grabbing" the signal from a
    nearby fob nolonger works as a means to break in since the
    signal is different the next time you use it. But if the
    rolling code is sequential - which has been found to be the
    case for some manufacturers - then the rolling code is a
    useless solution.

    It depends on the fob.

    I am not a lock and fob expert, but I talked about this long time ago with some guy who was. There are lots of fobs and protocols to select from if you have the money to spend.

    That said, this guy's favourite was a non IT magnetic key. The key is built with lots of mini magnets inside, and the cylinder of the lock has no moving parts you can manipulate with wire or a bumper. The downside is that making a copy of the key is very difficult because tolerances are extremely high.

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  • From HSM@21:2/162 to Digital Man on Friday, October 09, 2020 09:15:29
    On 08 Oct 2020, Digital Man said the following...

    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am
    Skip the ramp up, just go full force.

    So you have it start up full force?

    I found it was the quickest way to get used to it, ripping the bandaid off quickly so to speak.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to HSM on Friday, October 09, 2020 13:01:39
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 09:15 am

    On 08 Oct 2020, Digital Man said the following...

    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am
    Skip the ramp up, just go full force.

    So you have it start up full force?

    I found it was the quickest way to get used to it, ripping the bandaid off quickly so to speak.

    At what pressure setting? I came across a YouTube video that explained how to put my unit (a Resmed AirSense 10, model 37015) into the Clinician mode where I
    could change the settings. Mine was set to 16.0, but I'm experimenting with different pressure settings now. Unfortunately, my unit, although it came with an SDCard, does not store the detailed sensor data on the SDCard that you need to determine if its working to prevent the apnea events or not (e.g. use the open source software, OSCAR). So I may be getting a different machine.

    digital man

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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Digital Man on Friday, October 09, 2020 15:10:00
    10-08-20 19:04 Digital Man wrote to HSM about Re: Bored
    Howdy! Digital Man,

    @MSGID: <5F7FC555.44151.fsx_gen@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <5F7F1096.44116.fsx_gen@capitolcityonline.net>
    Re: Re: Bored
    By: HSM to Digital Man on Thu Oct 08 2020 08:34 am

    On 07 Oct 2020, Digital Man said the following...
    I've been (trying) to use a CPAP for a couple of years now: I have it ramp up slowly over 45 minutes (the slowest setting), but when it reaches the full force flow (the minimum required to keep you breathing, apparently), it always wakes me up and I remove it, completely
    irritated. The maximum length of time I've managed to tolerate it is just over an hour. I'm using the "nose pillows", not a mask. Got any pointers for me? :-)

    Skip the ramp up, just go full force.

    So you have it start up full force?

    I use the nose pillows too and they
    are far better than a full mask. Maybe try some melatonin to help you get to sleep while you are getting used to it. I can't sleep without the CPAP.

    I don't have any trouble falling asleep with it (at least when it
    starts out on low pressure), but always get woken up (after about 45 minutes) by the full blast up my nose and it seems to be spraying my
    face. At that point, I'm tired and irritated that it woke me up, so I always rip it off my head and fall right back asleep. I'll try it
    without the ramp up since that just isn't working for me. Thanks,

    Many years ago the results of a Sleep Study showed I had Sleep Apnea and
    I started using a CPAP Machine and wearing a Mask.

    I used it for a couple of years and didn't think I needed it so I quit using it.

    I still move my Legs as I sleep, at least that is what My Wife tells me.

    I don't know, I'm asleep then and have no idea what I'm doing.

    In another echo I wrote about when I was in the Navy, one of the Aircraft Carriers I served on had my bunk right under a Landing Wire that the Tail
    Hook on Airplanes would grab and then make a awful noise when the Plane
    landed and the Cable was pulled out, and then later rewound bak on the
    Whiches so the next Plane could grab it. Then agan, then again, then again...

    I hope that You can get adjusted to how your CPAP Machine functions.
    The mask I wore didn't bother me, back then I never knew of nose pillows,
    I probably wouldn't like it if that is what came with the CPAP Machine.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Ed Vance on Friday, October 09, 2020 23:34:41
    Many years ago the results of a Sleep Study showed I had Sleep Apnea and
    I started using a CPAP Machine and wearing a Mask.

    I'm set to get into one of these from my doctor from my last appointment last month. With the next 2 weeks off from work...going to see if I can get in to get it done before going to overnights soon.

    Had no idea that I could choose the Batman model. Just gotta make sure if
    they tell me I need it that I want the same model that John Hurt used in "Alien". ;D

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sunday, October 11, 2020 08:12:00
    Adept wrote to Digital Man <=-

    The rest of us just give our sleep and exercise data to Fitbit (soon to
    be owned by Google), or just cut out the need for middlemen entirely by letting Google or Apple keep track of all our movements.

    Amazfit and Ziaomi devices can talk to an Android app, Gadgetbridge,
    without going out to the cloud or any third-party services. For the
    truly vigilant, it's available on the F-Droid third-party store. For
    my $30 Mi Band 4 to have a battery that lasts a month and doesn't talk
    to outside services, it's pretty neat.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 19:33:26
    Amazfit and Ziaomi devices can talk to an Android app, Gadgetbridge, without going out to the cloud or any third-party services. For the
    truly vigilant, it's available on the F-Droid third-party store. For
    my $30 Mi Band 4 to have a battery that lasts a month and doesn't talk
    to outside services, it's pretty neat.

    That does seem pretty neat, though I _like_ having access to my data in the cloud; I just don't want large companies / companies that will sell the data.

    If uploading to your own web space were more of a thing, that'd be ideal for me.

    That said, knowing that I have 25,808,146 lifetime steps with Fitbit devices
    is kind of neat, if entirely irrelevant.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Thursday, October 15, 2020 08:35:00
    Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That said, knowing that I have 25,808,146 lifetime steps with Fitbit devices is kind of neat, if entirely irrelevant.

    Yeah, I get those "You walked to the MOON" emails from them
    occasionally. :)




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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, October 16, 2020 19:09:25
    That said, knowing that I have 25,808,146 lifetime steps with Fitbit devices is kind of neat, if entirely irrelevant.

    Yeah, I get those "You walked to the MOON" emails from them
    occasionally. :)

    I like those, too, though my highest badge there is pole-to-pole. I think "to the moon" must be about 2.5 billion steps, which seems like a lot.

    I kind of assume that _someone_ has done it, but ...

    I did some of the math. Given the length of time Fitbit has existed, even if you assumed 20 years of walking, it's safely over 150 miles a day.

    My, space is a really big place.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Sunday, October 18, 2020 13:05:00
    My, space is a really big place.

    vastly, hugely, mind bogglingly big...


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Spectre on Monday, October 19, 2020 17:25:28
    My, space is a really big place.

    vastly, hugely, mind bogglingly big...

    I mean, you may _think_ it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Monday, January 31, 2022 15:19:42
    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to do because you're feeling bored?
    I hate those kind of days.

    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to The Millionaire on Monday, January 31, 2022 18:50:45
    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to do
    because you're feeling bored?

    I think I can relate, but not entirely. Certainly, I've had times where I cannot decide which game I want to play, or which project I want to tinker with. Definitely, I (too often) avoid doing my chores...But I have never thought of this...indecision...as being bored?

    Then again, I don't really understand 'boredom'...How can anyone who has
    human intelligence ever be bored, when there is so much to find fascinating? (o_O)

    McDoob
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to McDoob on Monday, January 31, 2022 16:12:06


    I think I can relate, but not entirely. Certainly, I've had times where I cannot decide which game I want to play, or which project I want to tinker with. Definitely, I (too often) avoid doing my chores...But I have never thought of this...indecision...as being bored?

    Then again, I don't really understand 'boredom'...How can anyone who has human intelligence ever be bored, when there is so much to find fascinating? (o_O)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
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    Ever since COVID-19 started in 2019, society has changed vastly to say. Lots of freedom that we did have has become very limited in a lot of ways. TV has gotten so boring that I hardly ever watch it. Movies keep getting delayed which doesn't help either. We live in a crazy mixed up world now. Our weather is screwed up also. Just my two cents.

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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to The Millionaire on Monday, January 31, 2022 19:32:24
    On 31 Jan 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to do
    because you're feeling bored?
    I hate those kind of days.

    yep... hate 'em... don't have too many, but hate 'em when I have 'em


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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to McDoob on Monday, January 31, 2022 19:51:23
    On 31 Jan 2022, McDoob said the following...
    Then again, I don't really understand 'boredom'...How can anyone who has human intelligence ever be bored, when there is so much to find fascinating? (o_O)

    ... because sometimes, just every once in a while, it's just all so boring... it's not to say it really is, though...


    (,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Monday, January 31, 2022 20:33:00
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to
    do because you're feeling bored?

    No.

    I hate those kind of days.

    Then don't let them happen.



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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 01, 2022 19:25:18
    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to do
    because you're feeling bored?
    I hate those kind of days.


    Not really. I can usually find things to do, though most of the time, things to do find me.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to The Millionaire on Tuesday, February 01, 2022 15:32:19
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Have you ever had one of those days when you don't know what to do
    because you're feeling bored?
    I hate those kind of days.

    I usually take a nap, unless I am at work. :O



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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Blue White on Tuesday, February 01, 2022 17:35:28


    I usually take a nap, unless I am at work. :O

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    I agree. A nap is the best activity of all.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to McDoob on Wednesday, February 02, 2022 18:09:00
    On 01-31-22 18:50, McDoob wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Then again, I don't really understand 'boredom'...How can anyone who
    has human intelligence ever be bored, when there is so much to find fascinating? (o_O)

    I'm like you, I pretty much don't know how to be bored. Between training, hobbies and general curiosity, I have no time to be bored. If I feel like doing none of the above, I'm probably just too tired to, and need the downtime. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 02, 2022 18:15:00
    On 01-31-22 16:12, The Millionaire wrote to McDoob <=-

    Ever since COVID-19 started in 2019, society has changed vastly to say. Lots of freedom that we did have has become very limited in a lot of
    ways. TV has gotten so boring that I hardly ever watch it. Movies keep getting delayed which doesn't help either. We live in a crazy mixed up world now. Our weather is screwed up also. Just my two cents.

    I simply adapted. When I couldn't train with a group, I trained alone or with one other (which was permitted all the time). If I couldn't use regular venues, I made do with what I could use. To deal with the lack of social contact, I became active on ham radio - a perfect activity for lockdown. BBSing was also a good lockdown activity for the same reasons.

    And if I wanted to get out of the house, I came up with the "coffee stroll" - a walk to a nearby cafe, pick up a take away coffee and then continue walking. Often done solo, but occasionally with a friend.

    Ways and means. :)


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