Well thanks to Vorlon, it looks like most of my hard work is here by completed over at the church website. I don't have to pfaff about with it sitting out at hor.zapto.org, its now answering to houseofrefuge.net.au and all the recipients at the church have been suitably impressed with the rapid conclusion getting it up. :)

Spec


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Well thanks to Vorlon, it looks like most of my hard work is here

[...]

houseofrefuge.net.au and all the recipients at the church have been suitably impressed with the rapid conclusion getting it up. :)

Now you just have to fix email's! %->




\/orlon
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Hello Spectre!

** On Tuesday 29.09.20 - 22:41, Spectre wrote to Anyone Else:

its now answering to houseofrefuge.net.au and all the
recipients at the church have been suitably impressed with
the rapid conclusion getting it up. :)

It's very quick to load.

Grammar error? --> When & Where somewhere of the rainbow.

Maybe it should be "somewhere over the rainbow".

The "Studio" is impressive! Three cameras! But I worry about
the tower of pisa. LOL


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Now you just have to fix email's! %->

I did pop you off an email for this one.... seems that Optarse.. have got port 25 blocked.... not sure what to do about that, aside from perhaps get the powers that be to annoy them again.

Spec


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It's very quick to load.

Intersting, although said machine isn't doing anything else of notice. Its another NBN install so although I haven't tested the speed it should be reasonably quick.

Grammar error? --> When & Where somewhere of the rainbow.

Ahhh yeah... will have to have another look...

The "Studio" is impressive! Three cameras! But I worry about the
tower of pisa. LOL

The tower is actually gone... I had a theory to use a projector on the background for a "live"/recursive background... never got off the ground though. Screen was a problem, and the big man made the pronouncment he wasn't really intersted.

He's talking about replacing those 3x Handy Cams with 3 studio quality cameras. <boggle> Obviously not short of a quid. I think that'll be my cue to exit stage left. At the moment its all pooty action.. The 3 cams at least give you a chance to find one thats having a good day and all the filters give a decent looking picture.

Spec


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Now you just have to fix email's! %->

I did pop you off an email for this one.... seems that Optarse..
have got port 25 blocked.... not sure what to do about that, aside
from perhaps get the powers that be to annoy them again.

I did send you a email on how to work around it. Check your spam
folder... %-(




\/orlon
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--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv6l)
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Hello Spectre!

** On Friday 02.10.20 - 11:56, Spectre wrote to Ogg:

The "Studio" is impressive! Three cameras! But I worry
about the tower of pisa. LOL

The tower is actually gone... I had a theory to use a
projector on the background for a "live"/recursive
background... never got off the ground though. Screen was
a problem, and the big man made the pronouncment he wasn't
really intersted.

Do you folks have projection of some kind for song lyrics?

He's talking about replacing those 3x Handy Cams with 3 studio quality cameras. <boggle> Obviously not short of a quid. I think that'll be my cue to exit stage left. At the moment its all pooty action.. The 3 cams
at least give you a chance to find one thats having a good day and all the filters give a decent looking picture.

Not familiar with the term pooty action. Do you mean like kludge/patchwork/duct-tape action?

I don't envy the person who will be responsible for operating
the 3 cameras. Usually something like that would be good with
extra pairs of eyes.

I have hoped to volunteer for certain operations of a service
at my church and give it a smoother more professional look,
but it seems that "older" people have a hard time reliquishing
duties to newer (ie. younger) people. There are still too many
situations when the operators can't seem to get a recorded
video to play properly on the projection. I am quite fine to
sit in the sidelines actually - less hassle.


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Do you folks have projection of some kind for song lyrics?

Yeah, its a bit of a fangled setup though, the display screen is mounted quite high, projector is mounted from the roof. Makes it useless at present, I'd have a choice between displaying lyrics or text on said display or the big man doing the talking, to try and display both would be to do both badly.

I've only seen it in use once or twice, and they don't really quite have a handle on it for my money. The computer driving the display has been outfitted with high res widescreen displays and the projector is a 3:4 so the projector is doing its best, but has horribly squashed images.

Not familiar with the term pooty action. Do you mean like kludge/patchwork/duct-tape action?

Well the pooty is the computer... so its mostly just console work, if you want to find a better shot on a camera you can wander over to it and fiddle its settings and then go back and switch to it. Mind you, it is getting better, but it still has they duct-tape and cable tie feel to it at the moment. :)

I don't envy the person who will be responsible for operating the
3 cameras. Usually something like that would be good with extra
pairs of eyes.

the software, "OBS" allows you to see what each camera is looking at and switch any of them into the live feed. Mostly its the front camera that does the most work, with throw ins from the others if stageman/woman either wanders off or there's more happening on stage. Keyboard, 2 x singers for arguments sake. But if you have a problem on one cam for whatever reason you can also switch its feed out, and go and recalibrate it or add filtering to the image and then swap it back in.

The setup they're looking at is esceedingly more convoluted, little keypad of its own, so you select the cam, and remotely fiddle the tilt/pan/zoom. I'm happy enough despite its own limitations driving the current setup.

I have hoped to volunteer for certain operations of a service at my church and give it a smoother more professional look, but it seems
that "older" people have a hard time reliquishing duties to newer
(ie. younger) people. There are still too many situations
when the operators can't seem to get a recorded video to play
properly on the projection. I am quite fine to sit in the
sidelines actually - less hassle.

IME a lot of people in these sorts of positions seem to wear them like a badge. You can't look at this its mine, and feel threatened by offers of help or taking a turn at the wheel. I was "lucky(?)" they had no one else.. I say that, but the had a borrowed operator who while competent, wasn't interested enough to do more than an absolute bare minimum. I got wheeled in when she wasn't available and then they retired her.

I'd give the operator benefit of the doubt? maybe.. it can be hard to figure out just when to swap soemthing in. There's no schedule as such so each one is a wing it and see how it goes. Although it should be easy enough to have something cued to go at the push of the button so to speak.

Its surprising just how much stress it adds to the whole thing. Its always nice to get to the end of the show... so the sidelines are a good spot, if you can cope with the foibles.

Spec


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I did send you a email on how to work around it. Check your spam
folder... %-(

The lost is found, no spam filter, just missed it somehow.

Spec


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Hello Spectre!

** On Monday 05.10.20 - 12:09, Spectre wrote to Ogg:

I've only seen it in use once or twice, and they don't
really quite have a handle on it for my money. The
computer driving the display has been outfitted with high
res widescreen displays and the projector is a 3:4 so the
projector is doing its best, but has horribly squashed
images.

That is pretty sad to witness a squashed display. That was
happening for a while to some of the videos that were being
projected in my church too. But there was a setting in the
projector config that helped. The projector has it's own
remote controller.

the software, "OBS" allows you to see what each camera is
looking at and switch any of them into the live feed.
Mostly its the front camera that does the most work...

OBS looks very impressive. I only learned about it shortly
before the covid lockdown. With OBS one person can have good
control.

The setup they're looking at is esceedingly more
convoluted, little keypad of its own, so you select the
cam, and remotely fiddle the tilt/pan/zoom. I'm happy
enough despite its own limitations driving the current
setup.

The remote control for tilt/pan/zoom is good doesn't sound too
shabby at all.

..but it seems that "older" people have
a hard time reliquishing duties to newer (ie. younger)
people..

IME a lot of people in these sorts of positions seem to wear them like a badge.

That is probably what is happening.

I was in the media room getting my copy of the morning's
recording (my job was to produce just an audio version and
post it on the website) and a mother/son came up to introduce
themselves to the lead guy who was operating the digital
board. The kid had special training to operate a sound board
and showed great enthusiasm. The lead guy didn't even ask his
name or suggest that new people would be wonderful. The lead
guy (deacon) is in his mid 70's and keeps making mistakes and
even forgets to make the recording for me. It's totally sad.

You can't look at this its mine, and feel threatened by
offers of help or taking a turn at the wheel.

I was asked. But it was already a big job to process the
recording for post-production (getting rid of noises, coughs,
etc) and posting it online.

The young kid to operate the board would have been a better
choice.

Its surprising just how much stress it adds to the whole
thing. Its always nice to get to the end of the show... so
the sidelines are a good spot, if you can cope with the
foibles.

With today's equipment there should be no excuse to still
project a video with the wrong aspect ratio, or have feedback,
or not have the pots up for the singers, or have a mix for the
band. So sad when the old guys just don't seem to care.


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projected in my church too. But there was a setting in the
projector config that helped. The projector has it's own remote controller.

I do believe there is a remote for this thing kicking around somewhere too, but half its trouble is its slaved to an incorrect aspect ratio feed... what ever that native resolution is, or highest interpolated thats what they should be trying to use...

OBS looks very impressive. I only learned about it shortly before
the covid lockdown. With OBS one person can have good control.

I only learned of it after covid lockdown, thats when this streaming business started. Once you get the hang of how it works its fairly easy to maintain reasonable control. Even wandering around resetting cameras for a better shot.

The remote control for tilt/pan/zoom is good doesn't sound too
shabby at all.

I'm not sold on having to fiddle with that and poke around in OBS.. maybe it'll be great, maybe it'll be another waste of cash... dunno... I'm a firm believer in not over capitalising stuff though.

that new people would be wonderful. The lead guy (deacon)

Chuckle, if your deacons are anything like the clowns I see here running around with that moniker then I fully understand. Might be worth, if you want to risk having to do it all the time, going over his head. :)

I was asked. But it was already a big job to process the recording
for post-production (getting rid of noises, coughs, etc) and
posting it online.

Well there's your lead... see if you can find the kid for a run, and have
a crack at it. If the audio is all that gets fixed prior to posting, then it shouldn't be to much extra to just post the vid.

Spec


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Hello Spectre!

** On Tuesday 06.10.20 - 18:28, Spectre wrote to Ogg:

I was asked. But it was already a big job to process the
recording for post-production (getting rid of noises,
coughs, etc) and posting it online.

Well there's your lead... see if you can find the kid for
a run, and have a crack at it. If the audio is all that
gets fixed prior to posting, then it shouldn't be to much
extra to just post the vid.

Nah... no one there has any enthusiasm for attending to
details and have a job well done. I haven't set foot in the
church since March. The services have resumed since about a
month or two ago, but no one has reached out with "hey,
where's August to process the audio files?" So, I don't care.

They could have also brought the files to *me*. My shop is
barely a block away from the church. Everyone knows where to
find me. It's a simple matter copy the raw recording onto a
USB stick for transport. The know-it-alls just don't care
enough.


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find me. It's a simple matter copy the raw recording onto a
USB stick for transport. The know-it-alls just don't care

From my experience in helping people at churches do tech stuff, I'm not sure that "copy x onto a USB stick" is a level of technical competence I could assume.

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Nah... no one there has any enthusiasm for attending to details
and have a job well done. I haven't set foot in the church since

Who needs a church anyways eh :) The Big man is theoretically everywhere anyway... Leave sleeping dogs lie then...

Spec


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From my experience in helping people at churches do tech stuff, I'm not sure that "copy x onto a USB stick" is a level of technical
competence I could assume.

Never ceases to amaze me. The one I'm doing now... I'm a different racial background, not a true believer... and I'm still the best they can find. I always thought that the "next" generation of kids would be all over computers, far more than we were... but if anything computers seem to be
merely appliances and the want to do anything much with them has evapourated.

Spec


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can find. I always thought that the "next" generation of kids would be
all over computers, far more than we were... but if anything computers seem to be merely appliances and the want to do anything much with them has evapourated.

I did kind of think that too, what with the whole, "digital natives" aspect
of things.

But I think that has translated into people being good with memes and using
all the social media services, rather than any great technological ability.

But I assume there's at least as many techie kids now - probably more, even. But people's needs are certainly different. E.g., pretty well has a
smartphone at this point, but having a laptop or desktop computer seems like it's becoming significantly less common.

So most of the tech support things probably involve figuring out how to go to settings, or fiddling with a SIM card or something.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
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Thus spake Spectre:

Never ceases to amaze me. The one I'm doing now... I'm a different racial background, not a true believer... and I'm still the best they can find. I always thought that the "next" generation of kids would be all over computers, far more than we were... but if anything computers seem to be merely appliances and the want to do anything much with them has evapourated.

Interesting. I discovered the same thing myself years ago when my first wife was still living. She and I were different ethnic backgrounds, and her family was very involved in church. I tried getting them interested in computerizing some things, no interest at all. 20-30 churches in their circle.
So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Re: Re: House of the Big Man
By: Spectre to Adept on Sun Oct 11 2020 02:14 pm

Never ceases to amaze me. The one I'm doing now... I'm a different racial background, not a true believer... and I'm still the best they can find. I always thought that the "next" generation of kids would be all over computer far more than we were... but if anything computers seem to be
merely appliances and the want to do anything much with them has evapourated

Spec

Oh, actually...

Lots of kids are familiar with computers as end users. In fact, many think they like computing. They think computing is running office suites and games.

They like computing so much that they take Computer Science or a related Engineering at college.

In two weeks they realize "computing" means managing memory and programs and reading RFC's and oh-my-god I didn't put a break in that while loop.

Half the people who takes these studies drops off before the end of the first year. Modern humans want results quickly and effortlessly and are not made for dealing with machines at a low level.

Let's face it, using games and social media is to computers what driving is to cars; adapting a computer system to provide a custom solution for a problem is to computers what mechanics are to cars. They are just different things.


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her family was very involved in church. I tried getting them interested in computerizing some things, no interest at all. 20-30 churches in their circle. So let it be written, So let it be done.

Render unto caesar that which is fat... ;)

Erm, I think these guys have been thinking about it... and COVID really forced their hand. Then when push came to shove they were sharing one AV girl amongst
some number of churches as the same time, which probably leaves you in a situation you just don't care so much about whats going on/burn out. Then the GrapeVine assisted by the handbrake lighted on me.

Spec


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Oh, actually...

Lots of kids are familiar with computers as end users. In fact, many think they like computing. They think computing is running office suites

They seem to have lost something though, which is why the computer has become more like an appliance than a tool. We were trying to figure out how to fit computers to any job you could think of, while they've become users of off the shelf gear, on the beaten path so to speak.

I think thats the divide between being a "tech" and being a administrator/ programmer... the hardware guys vs the software guys. And a lot/most of the eggheads didn't make particularly good techs. The tech's were the guys trying to make stuff do the things the eggheads didn't think about...

Spec


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Thus spake Spectre:

Erm, I think these guys have been thinking about it... and COVID really forced their hand. Then when push came to shove they were sharing one AV girl amongst some number of churches as the same time, which probably leaves you in a situation you just don't care so much about whats going on/burn out. Then the GrapeVine assisted by the handbrake lighted on me.

I am thinking more 20 years ago from my experience, there wasn't a lot of AV type stuff that interested them. I did try to get them to record their Youth Choir and other singing groups. It was primarily relatives of mine by marriage, so obviously there us probably bias, but I truly thought they were as talented as anyone on the National Gospel scene at the time.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Re: Re: House of the Big Man
By: Spectre to Arelor on Mon Oct 12 2020 07:02 am

Oh, actually...

Lots of kids are familiar with computers as end users. In fact, many th they like computing. They think computing is running office suites

They seem to have lost something though, which is why the computer has becom more like an appliance than a tool. We were trying to figure out how to fit computers to any job you could think of, while they've become users of off t shelf gear, on the beaten path so to speak.

I think thats the divide between being a "tech" and being a administrator/ programmer... the hardware guys vs the software guys. And a lot/most of the eggheads didn't make particularly good techs. The tech's were the guys tryi to make stuff do the things the eggheads didn't think about...

Spec

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I don't think it is a hardware vs software problem.

If you check the "Maker" section of Linux magazine you'll find people blending hardware and software to do all sort of things. Like that remote controlled mini-boat you could control with a smartphone :-)

I think the real issue is people getting content with off-the-shelf products and not enjoying the creative part of their hobbies. This applies to lots of other fields too.


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