Hi All,

For those interested, here is a screenshot of webJAM in action on the desktop:

https://ibb.co/6Zschkr

I'm actually quite excited about finding out about webJAM (as you can probably tell because I won't shut up about it).

When I first re-joined the BBS scene back in May I was envisioning something exactly like this: A web front end that is indifferent to how messages are sent/received.

I'm not a programmer at all, but here are some features I would like to see added to webJAM:

- Keyboard shortcuts
- Real name/alias settings per message base
- Taglines
- Integrated authentication with a BBS
- New user registration for stand-alone authentication

Jay

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For those interested, here is a screenshot of webJAM in action on the desktop:

https://ibb.co/6Zschkr

I'm actually quite excited about finding out about webJAM (as you can probably tell because I won't shut up about it).

When I first re-joined the BBS scene back in May I was envisioning
something exactly like this: A web front end that is indifferent to how messages are sent/received.

I'm not a programmer at all, but here are some features I would like to see added to webJAM:

- Keyboard shortcuts
- Real name/alias settings per message base
- Taglines
- Integrated authentication with a BBS
- New user registration for stand-alone authentication

Have you seen this already? You were talking about a mobile friendly way to send/receive, this does that already (though it does need some work) without needing an app. I'm wondering if could be used as a starting point for what you were talking about before with a Web API.

Jay

... To solve claustrophobia you have to think outside the box

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Hello Jay!

** On Sunday 27.09.20 - 16:36, Jay Harris wrote to All:

When I first re-joined the BBS scene back in May I was
envisioning something exactly like this: A web front end
that is indifferent to how messages are sent/received.

WebJAM is not entirely indifferent. I think it only support
systems that have JAM message bases?

I'm not a programmer at all, but here are some features I would like to see added to webJAM:

- Keyboard shortcuts
- Real name/alias settings per message base
- Taglines
- Integrated authentication with a BBS
- New user registration for stand-alone authentication

I'd add:

- offline capability, if possible.

I would imagine that a mobile signal is becoming more and more
ubiquitous, so an offline feature may not be a high priority.
But if there were an offline mode that still allows reading
new messages and replying to them, it would be one up on the
other message systems used on smartphones.

The fellow behind RocksolidBBS has a similar solution. His
web interface offers threading and searches.

His own Rocksolid group of echos allows anonymous posting, so
you could try it anytime:

https://rocksolidbbs.com/rocksolid/

He also carries Dovenet. It is avialable to view using the web
interface.

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I'm not a programmer at all, but here are some features I would like to
see added to webJAM:

- Keyboard shortcuts
- Real name/alias settings per message base
- Taglines
- Integrated authentication with a BBS
- New user registration for stand-alone authentication

It's kind of a personal point system web interface from your device to your webserver, if I understand correctly. That being said, the rest are good ideas. It's real early in development, so you can expect a lot of those niceties to not be there yet.

I'd add:

- offline capability, if possible.

I would imagine that a mobile signal is becoming more and more ubiquitous, so an offline feature may not be a high priority.
But if there were an offline mode that still allows reading
new messages and replying to them, it would be one up on the
other message systems used on smartphones.

I disagree. Aftershock and HotdogEd both work like offline readers, basically.
You just have to get a node or point number for them. For their other shortcomings.



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Hello Charles!

** On Sunday 27.09.20 - 17:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Ogg:

But if there were an offline mode that still allows
reading new messages and replying to them, it would be
one up on the other message systems used on smartphones.

I disagree. Aftershock and HotdogEd both work like
offline readers, basically. You just have to get a node
or point number for them. For their other shortcomings.

Hotdoged and Aftershock have an offline reading mode (that is,
sans mobile signal?) Very nice.

.

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On 27 Sep 2020, Ogg said the following...

WebJAM is not entirely indifferent. I think it only support
systems that have JAM message bases?

Yes, you're right in that it only (currently) supports JAM message bases. That's all I've ever worked with coming from Telegard & now Mystic.

There is a "assets/classes/jam.class.php" file which accomplishes this integration. Not knowing how to program myself I'm not sure how hard it
would be to write a squish.class.php file or a smb.class.php file for Synchronet. Of course then it'd probably have to be renamed. ;)

- offline capability, if possible.
His web interface offers threading and searches.

These would both be welcome additions. I didn't notice that searching wasn't available as of yet.

Jay

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Re: Re: webJAM Screenshot
By: Jay Harris to echicken on Sun Sep 27 2020 16:38:27

For those interested, here is a screenshot of webJAM in action on the
...
something exactly like this: A web front end that is indifferent to how

Have you seen this already? You were talking about a mobile friendly way

to send/receive, this does

that already (though it does need some work) without needing an app. I'm

wondering if could be used

as a starting point for what you were talking about before with a Web API.

That's an interesting project. It's sort-of-related to what I was talking about, but sort-of not. I do like the look of it, though.

I have a pretty good idea of what I would do if/when I ever pursue this project. It's nice to know about other things like this, which might provide other ideas and inspiration.

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Re: Re: webJAM Screenshot
By: Warpslide to Ogg on Sun Sep 27 2020 19:17:21

These would both be welcome additions. I didn't notice that searching

wasn't

available as of yet.

I'm a solid ten or eleven years into writing web interfaces for Synchronet BBS,
and I still haven't written a search feature. It's not that it's necessarily a hard thing to do, just a bit annoying and not a priority.

Google does a pretty good job of finding messages on my web UI for me. :D

It's definitely something you'd want in an app with offline functionality though.

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On 09-27-20 17:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Ogg <=-

I would imagine that a mobile signal is becoming more and more
ubiquitous, so an offline feature may not be a high priority.
But if there were an offline mode that still allows reading
new messages and replying to them, it would be one up on the
other message systems used on smartphones.

Some of us want to be isolated from network and server lag, even when there is signal. There are reasons I hate web forums. ;)

I disagree. Aftershock and HotdogEd both work like offline readers, basically.
You just have to get a node or point number for them. For their other shortcomings.

That these are point systems is their biggest shortcoming for me. It means they're self contained systems and not synchronising last read pointers with anything else. For a "device hopper" like me, that's a deal breaker. If we were to use a traditional model, I'd prefer a QWK style offline reader with integrated means to send/receive mail (terminal and/or FTP).

echicken made some good suggestions for a mobile app last week that achieves similar aims, but uses more modern methods.


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On 09-27-20 17:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Ogg <=-

I would imagine that a mobile signal is becoming more and more
ubiquitous, so an offline feature may not be a high priority.
But if there were an offline mode that still allows reading
new messages and replying to them, it would be one up on the
other message systems used on smartphones.

Some of us want to be isolated from network and server lag, even when

there is

signal. There are reasons I hate web forums. ;)

I've been a member of exactly two web forums. Both were run by people I knew from an email list that originated from a Fido echo way back when the www was shiny and new. I rarely posted on either, because I didn't like the interfaces.

I disagree. Aftershock and HotdogEd both work like offline readers,
basically.
You just have to get a node or point number for them. For their other
shortcomings.

That these are point systems is their biggest shortcoming for me. It

means

they're self contained systems and not synchronising last read

pointers with

anything else. For a "device hopper" like me, that's a deal

breaker. If we

were to use a traditional model, I'd prefer a QWK style

offline reader with

integrated means to send/receive mail (terminal and/or

FTP).

My only "downside" on QWK style messages is likely a result of the past. I had
to call a half dozen BBSes or more in order to keep up with the various echos and networks I participated in. That in and of itself isn't really a bad thing, except for the time it took.
That being said, I'd love a QWK style app for mobile.


echicken made some good suggestions for a mobile app last week that

achieves

similar aims, but uses more modern methods.

I was a little lost reading about that, but what I did understand was cool sounding.



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On 09-28-20 08:09, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I've been a member of exactly two web forums. Both were run by people
I knew from an email list that originated from a Fido echo way back
when the www was shiny and new. I rarely posted on either, because I didn't like the interfaces.

I'vr been a member of more than that, but I'm an active member of exactly zero forums. :) Another issue is they all have separate logins, which doesn't play nice with my ADHD side. At least I can catch all of my echomail on one BBS. ;)

My only "downside" on QWK style messages is likely a result of the
past. I had to call a half dozen BBSes or more in order to keep up
with the various echos and networks I participated in. That in and of itself isn't really a bad thing, except for the time it took.
That being said, I'd love a QWK style app for mobile.

That was another reason I started a messaging BBS. But later, I had a point at home to automatically pick up my mail. And if I borrowed a laptop, I could download a Bluewave packet from the point and read it (I also used Bluewave locally, it performed better on my slowish machine than GoldEd). So using a point and a QWK/Bluewave reader can get you the best of both worlds - the point acts as an "aggregator" for your feeds, and you can siphon mail off the point using an offline door (or inbuilt equivalent these days). My 1990s point was a copy of the BBS spun off and reconfigured as a point, so it had all of the doors that were present at the time (including QWK and Bluewave) already installed and functional. :)

In essence it was all a bit like today, except I used the point's BBS interface locally, instead of over a LAN, as I do today.

echicken made some good suggestions for a mobile app last week that

achieves

similar aims, but uses more modern methods.

I was a little lost reading about that, but what I did understand was
cool sounding.

I'd like to see how his idea works in practice. Definitely interested in trying it out.


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In essence it was all a bit like today, except I used the point's BBS

interface

locally, instead of over a LAN, as I do today.

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that a lot of my mindset regarding BBSes is still tied to 25-30 years ago when a lot of the mail transfer through
the various networks was over a phone line, even after many of my connections
to BBSes was by Telnet. Which is probably where my frustrations about things today come from.

I was a little lost reading about that, but what I did understand was
cool sounding.

I'd like to see how his idea works in practice. Definitely interested in

trying it out.

I am interested as well. Checking out new ideas and applications has always been my thing.



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On 09-29-20 07:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

In essence it was all a bit like today, except I used the point's BBS

interface

locally, instead of over a LAN, as I do today.

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that a lot of my mindset regarding BBSes is still tied to 25-30 years ago when a lot of the
mail transfer through
the various networks was over a phone line, even after many of my connections to BBSes was by Telnet. Which is probably where my frustrations about things today come from.

I'm not quite sure I follow, given that I'm effectively doing the same as I did 25 years ago, when it comes to reading mail, and for more or less the same reasons! :)

I am interested as well. Checking out new ideas and applications has always been my thing.

Hopefully echicken has a crack at it. ;)


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Quoting Vk3jed to Charles Pierson at 09-29-20 20:27 <=-

That was another reason I started a messaging BBS. But later, I had a point at home to automatically pick up my mail. And if I borrowed a laptop, I could download a Bluewave packet from the point and read it
(I also used Bluewave locally, it performed better on my slowish
machine than GoldEd). So using a point and a QWK/Bluewave reader can
get you the best of both worlds - the point acts as an "aggregator" for your feeds, and you can siphon mail off the point using an offline door (or inbuilt equivalent these days). My 1990s point was a copy of the
BBS spun off and reconfigured as a point, so it had all of the doors
that were present at the time (including QWK and Bluewave) already installed and functional. :)
In essence it was all a bit like today, except I used the point's BBS interface locally, instead of over a LAN, as I do today.

There is a Point software that work with Bluewave - the INDIGO 0.01
from Peter Karlson. I use then with IREX mailer on FIDONET and work
very fine with real Bluewave features.

https://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/software/



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Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that a lot of my mindset
regarding BBSes is still tied to 25-30 years ago when a lot of the
mail transfer through
the various networks was over a phone line, even after many of my
connections to BBSes was by Telnet. Which is probably where my
frustrations about things today come from.

I'm not quite sure I follow, given that I'm effectively doing the same as

I did

25 years ago, when it comes to reading mail, and for more or less

the same

reasons! :)

That thought didn't come out very clear. Maybe I'll try again another time. It's one of those things rattling around my mind that I have a hard time explaining.

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Re: Re: webJAM Screenshot
By: Vk3jed to Charles Pierson on Wed Sep 30 2020 19:59:00

Hopefully echicken has a crack at it. ;)

I probably will, but I'm not sure when; hopefully within months. I have a few other things keeping me busy right now.

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On 09-30-20 09:44, Mauro Veiga wrote to VK3JED <=-

There is a Point software that work with Bluewave - the INDIGO
0.01
from Peter Karlson. I use then with IREX mailer on FIDONET and
work
very fine with real Bluewave features.

https://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/software/

Interesting idea. :)

I did manage to use Bluewave as a sore of QWK network like setup once. Was convoluted, but it worked for a single user (me!). :)


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On 09-30-20 08:54, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that a lot of my mindset
regarding BBSes is still tied to 25-30 years ago when a lot of the
mail transfer through
the various networks was over a phone line, even after many of my
connections to BBSes was by Telnet. Which is probably where my
frustrations about things today come from.

I'm not quite sure I follow, given that I'm effectively doing the same
as

I did

25 years ago, when it comes to reading mail, and for more or less

the same

reasons! :)

That thought didn't come out very clear. Maybe I'll try again another time. It's one of those things rattling around my mind that I have a
hard time explaining.

Hehe I would be interested to know, once you're able to get your thoughts together. :)


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On 09-30-20 10:29, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Re: Re: webJAM Screenshot
By: Vk3jed to Charles Pierson on Wed Sep 30 2020 19:59:00

Hopefully echicken has a crack at it. ;)

I probably will, but I'm not sure when; hopefully within months. I have
a few other things keeping me busy right now.

Fair enough, no hurry. Just keep us posted, when you do. :)

These days I can do both Android and iOS. :)


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

That thought didn't come out very clear. Maybe I'll try again another
time. It's one of those things rattling around my mind that I have a
hard time explaining.

Hehe I would be interested to know, once you're able to get your thoughts

together. :)

Oh, the thoughts are together. They just act difficult when I try to express them. Prepare for a ride.

Part of it is 30+ years ago, there were literally 100's of BBSes here in my area, every flavor of computer you could think of at the time. I wanted to see them all. The different programs, graphics... it fascinated me. It wasn't easy with a C=64 and a 300 baud modem you had to hook the phone line to when you heard the handshake. I also thought it was really cool that my best friend
and I could "talk" to each other on those systems even though I had a Commodore
and he had an Apple.

I discovered offline mail readers, and was hooked. I wasn't tying up the phone with my reading and writing messages, and didn't have to worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour".

More later.

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I discovered offline mail readers, and was hooked. I wasn't tying up the phone with my reading and writing messages, and didn't have to worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour"

PART 2

So the mail reader was great. Except I had to call a dozen boards to be able to get all of the echoes I wanted, more including active local areas.

That wasn't really too much of an issue. And it worked for a while, I never had
the extra income to shell out for a dedicated phone line for a BBS, which is what most, if not all the networks I participated in required.

Then comes the WWW. systems and echo participation started dropping. Two echos I was heavily involved in in Fido moved to email groups. I saw something about
a gateway program that would move messages back and forth between Fidonet And email using Juno email, but I couldn't figure it out.

Anyway, I ended up away from BBS for years.

But, the old way when it was all connected by one computer calling another over
a phone line always stuck with me. Log on, transfer mail packet, log off. Occasionally checking out the doors, or downloading some files that caught my attention, was an infrequent activity.

These days, I'm figuring most BBS traffic is over the Internet, binkp type transfers, Telnet, etc. But you see a lot of people acting like it's still the old days. Fsx welcomed my and gave me a node number, as did a couple of other networks, but a lot of them are like "Try again when you have an actual BBS and
we can crash mail you." Is it really that difficult to flag a node "HOLD" instead of "CRASH"? Ask BP, I probably poll him 20 times a day.

This crappy Motorola phone I'm using to write this post is a more powerful computer than most of the desktops I've had in my life. Yes, there are drawbacks, but overall, almost anything I could do on a full PC, can be done from this. I'm convinced that if the software was there, a full BBS could run off of this thing with few problems.


But I'm wandering far off point, which is, even with all of this, my mail view
of BBSing until recently has been Login, Transfer Mail, Log Off. Don't tie up the system.
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These days I can do both Android and iOS. :)

You're swinging both ways? :)

Spec


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On 10-01-20 09:40, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Oh, the thoughts are together. They just act difficult when I try to express them. Prepare for a ride.

I love a good ride. ;)

Part of it is 30+ years ago, there were literally 100's of BBSes here
in my area, every flavor of computer you could think of at the time.
I wanted to see them all. The different programs, graphics... it fascinated me. It wasn't easy with a C=64 and a 300 baud modem you had
to hook the phone line to when you heard the handshake. I also thought
it was really cool that my best friend and I could "talk" to each other
on those systems even though I had a Commodore and he had an Apple.

Yeah that was cool. I could connect to BBSs as easily from my friend's Microbee as I could from my DOS based PC. :)

I discovered offline mail readers, and was hooked. I wasn't tying up
the phone with my reading and writing messages, and didn't have to
worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour".

Yes, same here. Offline mail really started my love affair with the messagebase (which still goes on today). And over time, I also discovered just how user friendly offline mail was in more subtle ways - something that more modern message posting systems could never replicate. Modern systems are either too tightly bound to the network, creating unnecessary lag, and/or they have awful (often too mouse centric) navigation.

Lonmg live the offline reader! :)



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On 10-01-20 18:06, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

So the mail reader was great. Except I had to call a dozen boards to
be able to get all of the echoes I wanted, more including active local areas.

True. :)

That wasn't really too much of an issue. And it worked for a while, I never had the extra income to shell out for a dedicated phone line for
a BBS, which is what most, if not all the networks I participated in required.

I did setup a BBS, and used that as a network aggregator, which dramatically rediced the number of BBSs I needed to call down to about 2. :)

Then comes the WWW. systems and echo participation started dropping.
Two echos I was heavily involved in in Fido moved to email groups. I
saw something about a gateway program that would move messages back and forth between Fidonet And email using Juno email, but I couldn't figure
it out.

I was running GIGO as an Internet gateway for email and Usenet. In fact, my personal point outlived the BBS, because I could still use the Internet facing features, after the BBS closed down. A Y2K issue forced me to switch from Bluewave to GoldED for reading messages. The final nail in the coffin was the advent of broadband, which eventually led to the demise of the older Internet infrastructure. This was before the age of virtual machines and containers, which would have allowed the old feed to continue.

Anyway, I ended up away from BBS for years.

Me too. :)

But, the old way when it was all connected by one computer calling
another over a phone line always stuck with me. Log on, transfer mail packet, log off. Occasionally checking out the doors, or downloading
some files that caught my attention, was an infrequent activity.

Much the same for me.

These days, I'm figuring most BBS traffic is over the Internet, binkp
type transfers, Telnet, etc. But you see a lot of people acting like
it's still the old days. Fsx welcomed my and gave me a node number, as did a couple of other networks, but a lot of them are like "Try again
when you have an actual BBS and we can crash mail you." Is it really
that difficult to flag a node "HOLD" instead of "CRASH"? Ask BP, I probably poll him 20 times a day.

I don't care what your status is

This crappy Motorola phone I'm using to write this post is a more
powerful computer than most of the desktops I've had in my life. Yes, there are drawbacks, but overall, almost anything I could do on a full
PC, can be done from this. I'm convinced that if the software was
there, a full BBS could run off of this thing with few problems.

Theoretically doable, but the question is "why?", when thre's already a comparable system that you can run a BBS on that doesn't have the limitations of an internal battery or wireless only operation - the Raspberry Pi.

But I'm wandering far off point, which is, even with all of this, my
mail view of BBSing until recently has been Login, Transfer Mail, Log
Off. Don't tie up the system.

My operation is a little different, I actually do "camp" on my BBS, because I can now. :) But my interaction is always download, read mail, upload. I just don't log off and on all the time. :)


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On 10-02-20 12:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

These days I can do both Android and iOS. :)

You're swinging both ways? :)

Yep, more fun that way. :D


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-01-20 09:40, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

it was really cool that my best friend and I could "talk" to each other
on those systems even though I had a Commodore and he had an Apple.

Yeah that was cool. I could connect to BBSs as easily from my friend's

Microbee as I could from my DOS based PC. :)

Yeah there was that too.

worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour".

Modern
systems are

either too tightly bound to the network, creating unnecessary

lag, and/or they

have awful (often too mouse centric) navigation.

Yeah, there are ups and downs to technological advances.

So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Thus spake Vk3jed:

So the mail reader was great. Except I had to call a dozen boards to
be able to get all of the echoes I wanted, more including active local
areas.

True. :)

It was a strange time. Even knowing that it would take several days to see a reply from anyone outside of the board I called, there was a kind of compulsion to call them all daily to see.


I did setup a BBS, and used that as a network aggregator, which

dramatically

rediced the number of BBSs I needed to call down to about 2.

:)

I always wanted to. I could just never justify the extra expense that meant.


I was running GIGO as an Internet gateway for email and Usenet. In fact,

my

personal point outlived the BBS, because I could still use the Internet

facing

features, after the BBS closed down. A Y2K issue forced me to

switch from

Bluewave to GoldED for reading messages. The final nail in

the coffin was the

advent of broadband, which eventually led to the demise

of the older Internet

infrastructure. This was before the age of virtual

machines and containers,

which would have allowed the old feed to

continue.

I think Y2K was during my away time. I never really felt any trouble from it.


Broadband was when I started really getting back into the BBS scene.

did a couple of other networks, but a lot of them are like "Try again
when you have an actual BBS and we can crash mail you." Is it really
that difficult to flag a node "HOLD" instead of "CRASH"? Ask BP, I
probably poll him 20 times a day.

I don't care what your status is

I've never understood that mindset. I mean, if I'm admin of a Network, and someone is interested in joining and has a setup that will work, why should it matter these days what, exactly, their setup is?

PC, can be done from this. I'm convinced that if the software was
there, a full BBS could run off of this thing with few problems.

Theoretically doable, but the question is "why?", when thre's already a

comparable system that you can run a BBS on that doesn't have the

limitations

of an internal battery or wireless only operation - the

Raspberry Pi.

I've heard about Raspberry Pi, but never seen it.

As far as the why, First, there's the factor of doing it just because it can be done. A proof of concept type of thing that winds up being behind a lot of things I do. Not necessarily a good reason, but there you have it.

Next is equipment availability. I've got access to unused smartphones and tablets, not so much other equipment. And I've always been one to try and reuse things before trashing them.

I've actually been thinking about another option recently. I've mentioned elsewhere I have 2 old Nook Color readers. These were before Barnes and Noble went to Android tablets for their readers. I mentioned reading about reading an article about converting them to Android devices, but this whole thing has got me thinking that I remember other articles about installing Linux on a Nook
as well. That's something I could probably look into as well. It would definitely go a ways in proof of concept.

And while I know a lot of people are probably seeing this idea of "bbs in your
pocket" as literally that, it's an idea, but it's not my primary thought. Too much of that would depend on your internet plan's public wifi availability, or having a damn good data plan. If you have a mobile device that's just collecting dust, why not find a use for it?


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-02-20 12:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

These days I can do both Android and iOS. :)

You're swinging both ways? :)

Yep, more fun that way. :D

No judgement here! I mean, Apple isn't a choice I'd make, but to each their own.


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On 10-02-20 07:54, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hmm, your quoting is borked, it's not correctly attributing and indenting quoted text, which is making the messages confusing. Only my quirky recognition (in my head!) can sort this mess out. :)

Microbee as I could from my DOS based PC. :) <-- that was me.

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour".

Modern
systems are

either too tightly bound to the network, creating unnecessary

lag, and/or they

have awful (often too mouse centric) navigation.

Yeah, there are ups and downs to technological advances.

And too often developers throw the baby out with the bathwater when moving on from older technology.

So let it be written, So let it be done.

If only I was a programmer. :/


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On 10-02-20 08:48, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It was a strange time. Even knowing that it would take several days to see a reply from anyone outside of the board I called, there was a
kind of compulsion to call them all daily to see.

Yes, every morning was like Christmas, seeing what's in the new mail packets.
)

I always wanted to. I could just never justify the extra expense that meant.

I just did it. :)

I think Y2K was during my away time. I never really felt any trouble
from it.

It ended my use of Bluewave, because both the door and reader had y2K issues - The Bluewave reader was patched for Y2K, but I don't know if the door ever was.

I've never understood that mindset. I mean, if I'm admin of a Network,
and someone is interested in joining and has a setup that will work,
why should it matter these days what, exactly, their setup is?

That's my attitude. If you can speak BinkP/FTN or QWK, you can join. I even have an untested FTP service available. I haven't yet got any other protocols working - would have to get my head around things like qico to do those.

I've heard about Raspberry Pi, but never seen it.

I've got a bunch of them, always finding more uses. They're a credit card system that runs an ARM processor. There are a number of Linux distributions that will run on the Pi.

As far as the why, First, there's the factor of doing it just because
it can be done. A proof of concept type of thing that winds up being behind a lot of things I do. Not necessarily a good reason, but there
you have it.

Fair enough.

Next is equipment availability. I've got access to unused smartphones
and tablets, not so much other equipment. And I've always been one to
try and reuse things before trashing them.

That's a laudable goal as well. I see a bigger potential for outdated phones and tablets being remote controls for various things. All that needs is either a VNC like client or a web browser.

I've actually been thinking about another option recently. I've
mentioned elsewhere I have 2 old Nook Color readers. These were before Barnes and Noble went to Android tablets for their readers. I
mentioned reading about reading an article about converting them to Android devices, but this whole thing has got me thinking that I
remember other articles about installing Linux on a Nook as well.
That's something I could probably look into as well. It would
definitely go a ways in proof of concept.

Linux would open up your options a bit more.

And while I know a lot of people are probably seeing this idea of "bbs
in your pocket" as literally that, it's an idea, but it's not my
primary thought. Too much of that would depend on your internet plan's public wifi availability, or having a damn good data plan. If you have
a mobile device that's just collecting dust, why not find a use for it?

Well, the data use of BBSs is very light. Wouldn't take much of an Internet plan to cope with the data. BUT I see a bigger issue. Getting a public IP on a mobile maccount is a rare thing, so it might be a bit hard for users to connect to your BBS, unless you use a VPN to tunnel in an IP. Or run it on IPv6, where you're more likely to get a public IP. :)


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On 10-02-20 08:50, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

You're swinging both ways? :)

Yep, more fun that way. :D

No judgement here! I mean, Apple isn't a choice I'd make, but to each their own.

Two things I found with Apple:

1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more with the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even taking some of the daily load off the Android has made a difference to its performance. (as in use patterns, not even having to uninstall).

2. Oddly enough, there's a number of sports analysis apps that are available only on Apple. Android could certainly do similar, but those apps aren't available on Android, for some reason.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:



Hmm, your quoting is borked, it's not correctly attributing and indenting

quoted text, which is making the messages confusing. Only my quirky

recognition (in my head!) can sort this mess out. :)

Microbee as I could from my DOS based PC. :) <-- that was me.

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

I'm not sure what was going on.

worry about being bumped from the system for "mail hour".

Yeah, there are ups and downs to technological advances.

And too often developers throw the baby out with the bathwater when moving

on

from older technology.

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad thing.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Thus spake Vk3jed:


Yes, every morning was like Christmas, seeing what's in the new mail

packets.

And such a wide range of how discussions could go, with the travel times of messages globally.

I've never understood that mindset. I mean, if I'm admin of a Network,
and someone is interested in joining and has a setup that will work,
why should it matter these days what, exactly, their setup is?

That's my attitude. If you can speak BinkP/FTN or QWK, you can join. I

even

have an untested FTP service available. I haven't yet got any other

protocols

working - would have to get my head around things like qico to

do those.

FTP for packets? Or files?

I've heard about Raspberry Pi, but never seen it.

I've got a bunch of them, always finding more uses. They're a credit card

system that runs an ARM processor. There are a number of Linux

distributions

that will run on the Pi.

I haven't stumbled across any of them is my adventures in junk collecting yet.
Sounds like a fun thing to work with though.

Next is equipment availability. I've got access to unused smartphones
and tablets, not so much other equipment. And I've always been one to
try and reuse things before trashing them.

That's a laudable goal as well. I see a bigger potential for outdated

phones

and tablets being remote controls for various things. All that

needs is either

a VNC like client or a web browser.

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Android devices, but this whole thing has got me thinking that I
remember other articles about installing Linux on a Nook as well.
That's something I could probably look into as well. It would
definitely go a ways in proof of concept.

Linux would open up your options a bit more.

Indeed it would. I need to find that article again, and research distros to see which would be the best option.I know at least a few experimented with mobile OS's, although I believe many of them gave up.

public wifi availability, or having a damn good data plan. If you have
a mobile device that's just collecting dust, why not find a use for it?

Well, the data use of BBSs is very light. Wouldn't take much of an

Internet

plan to cope with the data. BUT I see a bigger issue. Getting a

public IP on

a mobile maccount is a rare thing, so it might be a bit hard

for users to

connect to your BBS, unless you use a VPN to tunnel in an IP.

Or run it on

IPv6, where you're more likely to get a public IP. :)

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for certain. At
this point I don't even know what all I don't know.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Thus spake Vk3jed:



Two things I found with Apple:


1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more

with

the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even taking

some of

the daily load off the Android has made a difference to its

performance. (as in

use patterns, not even having to uninstall).

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished long ago. I just never really got into them.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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On 10-03-20 06:39, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

I'm not sure what was going on.

I thinking it's still doing it. :)

And too often developers throw the baby out with the bathwater when
moving

on

from older technology.

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring good ideas from the past.


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On 10-03-20 06:39, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

I'm not sure what was going on.

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Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a setting to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test system, to sus it out. :)


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On 10-03-20 07:03, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

FTP for packets? Or files?

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised it yet.

I haven't stumbled across any of them is my adventures in junk
collecting yet. Sounds like a fun thing to work with though.

Wouldn't be too many Pis in junkboxes yet, they're too useful. ;)

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

Linux would open up your options a bit more. <-- that's me (again)

Indeed it would. I need to find that article again, and research
distros to see which would be the best option.I know at least a few experimented with mobile OS's, although I believe many of them gave up.

See what's available for the Nook. :)

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)


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On 10-03-20 07:09, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

With a different philosophy. Apple is a more controlled ecosystem. While that does put some limits on what you can do with Apple devices, it does also increase the stability of the platform. I liken it to the difference between a luxury road car (Apple) that is good at getting you from A to be reliably, comfortably and economically, as opposed to a SUV - maybe not quite as nice on the road, but still perfectly fine. But can go places the road car can't.

End result for me: I have both Apple and Android in service now, and as per my analogy above, the Apple is my primary phone, while the Android still had a number of jobs only it can do. :)


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad
thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring good

ideas

from the past.

That is a better description.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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Thus spake Vk3jed:


Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a

setting

to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test

system, to sus

it out. :)

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.


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On 10-03-20 07:03, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

FTP for packets? Or files?

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised it

yet.

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

I haven't stumbled across any of them is my adventures in junk
collecting yet. Sounds like a fun thing to work with though.

Wouldn't be too many Pis in junkboxes yet, they're too useful. ;)

Figure of speech. Although i do collect junk of sorts that i can find new uses for, I also occasionally collect items from family and a friend of my wife. Usually electronic or computer related items they don't know what they are. Since I am the resident computer nerd.

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and
decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

It's a good use, but it seems a waste.

experimented with mobile OS's, although I believe many of them gave up.

See what's available for the Nook. :)


The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly, the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

I do, when I figure out what I'm trying to understand. In a fairly short time, I've gone from looking for a better way to connect to BBSes on Android, as the two point systems I can find have issues, and either slow or no support.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

I've seen DOSBox options, however generally that seems to be people on Desktops, and I'm hitting walls trying to find a way for it to recognize my WIFI signal.
I was considering either a DOSBox based connection or a Hybrid of a native Android Telnet and DOSbox based mail reader, although DOSBox does make reading
a bit more challenging for these aging eyes.

I've considered the fact that many Android apps are JAVA based, so if you have
the source code for a Point program written in Java, JEDPoint for example, it should be possible to adapt it to the Android. I never made it past BASIC and C, so that's somewhat beyond me.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS running on an Android device.

I think that I think too much sometimes.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:


End result for me: I have both Apple and Android in service now, and as

per my

analogy above, the Apple is my primary phone, while the Android

still had a

number of jobs only it can do. :)

I honestly couldn't tell you why I don't use Apple products. I suppose it's just one of those things.



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Hello Vk3jed!

** On Sunday 04.10.20 - 20:48, Vk3jed wrote to Charles Pierson:

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and
decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

Very smart dog! "Hmmmm.. a new crunchy chewy toy for me! And
this one doesn't make those annoying squeeky noises."


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Thus spake Ogg:

Very smart dog! "Hmmmm.. a new crunchy chewy toy for me! And
this one doesn't make those annoying squeeky noises."

Actually, the body of the remote was relatively unscathed. The buttons, however......



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Re: I had a bad puppy discover ..an excellent chew toy
By: Ogg to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 04 2020 09:00 am

Hello Vk3jed!

** On Sunday 04.10.20 - 20:48, Vk3jed wrote to Charles Pierson:

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night an
decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

Very smart dog! "Hmmmm.. a new crunchy chewy toy for me! And
this one doesn't make those annoying squeeky noises."

Ogg, you just made my day.

My horses love grabbing my things, but they usually don't munch them into oblivion. They leave them covered in horse drivel though.

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On 04/10/2020 9:59 a.m., Arelor wrote:

My horses love grabbing my things, but they usually don't
munch them into oblivion. They leave them covered in horse
drivel though.

They are telling you, "Thank you Arelor, for leaving us these
wonderful toothbrushes!"



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1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more with the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even

Ponder... IME, I'd have said that was right back in the days of MacOS and 68k processors. But Apple seems to have joined the plebs pushing marginal hardware and software now and trying to fix it later. But everyone has different exposure and experiences with them :)

Spec


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Its very hard to try and re-quote it to show what I see, but it appears your editor is saving lines >80chrs when adding the quote prefix to the line. All of the quotes I see from you break two lines....

Spec


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On 10-04-20 06:49, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad
thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring
good

ideas

from the past.

That is a better description.

Yeah better fits what I'm trying to say. :)


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On 10-04-20 06:53, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a

setting

to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test

system, to sus

it out. :)

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/


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On 10-04-20 07:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised
it

yet.

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

Mystic supports it out of the box. Basically, downlinks poll by logging into a FTP server with the right credentials and pick up their mail. In my case, because I use a separate FTP server, my hub will put the outbound packets into the same account. Only difference is I reverse the upload and download directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Figure of speech. Although i do collect junk of sorts that i can find
new uses for, I also occasionally collect items from family and a
friend of my wife. Usually electronic or computer related items they
don't know what they are. Since I am the resident computer nerd.

Occasionally, there's some useful tech junk. :)

See what's available for the Nook. :)

The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly,
the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would
work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

I do, when I figure out what I'm trying to understand. In a fairly
short time, I've gone from looking for a better way to connect to BBSes
on Android, as the two point systems I can find have issues, and either slow or no support.

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for him, so nothing soon.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

I've seen DOSBox options, however generally that seems to be people on Desktops, and I'm hitting walls trying to find a way for it to
recognize my WIFI signal.
I was considering either a DOSBox based connection or a Hybrid of a
native Android Telnet and DOSbox based mail reader, although DOSBox
does make reading a bit more challenging for these aging eyes.

Only DOSBox I've found that's of any use is Magic DOSBox. The others don't support the modem emulation that DOS apps typically need to use.

I've considered the fact that many Android apps are JAVA based, so if
you have the source code for a Point program written in Java, JEDPoint
for example, it should be possible to adapt it to the Android. I never made it past BASIC and C, so that's somewhat beyond me.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to talk to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done. :)

I think that I think too much sometimes.

;)


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On 10-04-20 07:54, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I honestly couldn't tell you why I don't use Apple products. I suppose it's just one of those things.

When I first went Apple, Android wasn't quite ready (but it did catch up soon after). 7 years later, I switched to Android. Partly for economic reasons, partly because I wanted some of the openness of Android.

Now I'm back with Apple as my primary device. Partly stability for my main phone, and partly because a number of sports performance apps that I'm interested in using are only available on Apple. But this time, I've kept Android as my secondary phone. Neither OS 100% meets my needs, but having both available goes a lot closer. :)


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On 10-04-20 09:00, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hello Vk3jed!

** On Sunday 04.10.20 - 20:48, Vk3jed wrote to Charles Pierson:

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and
decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

Very smart dog! "Hmmmm.. a new crunchy chewy toy for me! And
this one doesn't make those annoying squeeky noises."

LOL :D


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On 10-05-20 12:20, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more with the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even

Ponder... IME, I'd have said that was right back in the days of MacOS
and 68k processors. But Apple seems to have joined the plebs pushing marginal hardware and software now and trying to fix it later. But everyone has different exposure and experiences with them :)

Yeah my experience doesn't suggest that.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

Mystic supports it out of the box. Basically, downlinks poll by logging into a FTP server with the right credentials and pick up their mail. In my

case,

because I use a separate FTP server, my hub will put the outbound packets into the same account. Only difference is I reverse the upload and

download

directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Definitely an outside the box idea for mail transfer.

The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly,
the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would
work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for

him,

so nothing soon.

I saw when he was talking about it. Definitely an ambitious sounding idea.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download
capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers
or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave
are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to

talk

to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes to follow
all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another option for reading and writing messages.

As well as a choice of preference, like Apple vs Android.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS
running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android Device to run a C=64 BBS.



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Thus spake Vk3jed:

Two things I found with Apple:

1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do
more

with

the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even taking

some of

the daily load off the Android has made a difference to its

performance. (as in

use patterns, not even having to uninstall).

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

Apple is the company. iPhone is the product. "Tiny" difference.


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Thus spake Joacim:

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

Apple is the company. iPhone is the product. "Tiny" difference.

I'm considering the whole shebang. Macs, iPads, iPhones, Apple Watch..... whatever else they have. So in this case, I'm using Apple as a marker for all of their products. Just as Android is an "OS" comprising many brands and products.

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Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping

Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag let alone some wrapping? :P

Spec


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On 10-05-20 05:07, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.

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That one looks good here. :)


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On 10-05-20 05:43, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Definitely an outside the box idea for mail transfer.

But mail is files, and FTP is good at transferring those, so why not? ;)

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for
the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Annoying. :(

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for

him,

so nothing soon.

I saw when he was talking about it. Definitely an ambitious sounding idea.

Would be really good if he pulls it off. :)

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download
capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Hmm, the only "ftelnet" I lnow is the one that runs in a web browser.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers
or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave
are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to

talk

to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes
to follow all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another option for reading and writing messages.

I see it as quite different, because there's likely 100% overlap in wat you read in this case. When I called multiple BBSs, I setup my mail packets so that there was little or no overlap between message areas, so no duplication or tring to remember if I actually replied to a message befoe or not. :)

As well as a choice of preference, like Apple vs Android.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS
running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D


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On 10-06-20 09:40, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping

Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag let alone some wrapping? :P

Haha. :D


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-05-20 05:07, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping
is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.

That one looks good here. :)

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone. To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag for you.




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Thus spake Vk3jed:

But mail is files, and FTP is good at transferring those, so why not? ;)

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I have seen over the years treat files and messages as different entities.

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for
the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Hmm, the only "ftelnet" I lnow is the one that runs in a web browser.


fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app, which says it's on Google Play and the App Store, and an embedded one.

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes
to follow all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was
some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another
option for reading and writing messages.

I see it as quite different, because there's likely 100% overlap in wat
you read in this case. When I called multiple BBSs, I setup my mail

packets

so that there was little or no overlap between message areas, so no duplication or tring to remember if I actually replied to a message befoe

or not. :)

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of overlap.
Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a bit. I get interested in weird stuff sometimes. I wanted to see how ling messages actually took to reach various places around the world. Although in my case, that usually resulted in US, Canada, and the UK. I never really found that many Telnet addresses to other countries back then.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D

What can I say? I have strange ideas.


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On 10-06-20 06:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot
of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone.
To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag
for you.

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/


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On 10-06-20 06:46, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I have seen over the years treat files and messages as different
entities.

Depends at what level you're looking.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call
it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app,
which says it's on Google Play and the App Store, and an embedded one.

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of overlap. Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a

Yeah it's the overlap that's the killer. No overlap = no problem, becaause there's nothing to try and keep in sync. :)

bit. I get interested in weird stuff sometimes. I wanted to see how
ling messages actually took to reach various places around the world. Although in my case, that usually resulted in US, Canada, and the UK.
I never really found that many Telnet addresses to other countries back then.

Hmm, OK. :)

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D

What can I say? I have strange ideas.

Indeed. ;)


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-06-20 06:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the
quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot
of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone.
To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag
for you.

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the fine folks here.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-06-20 06:46, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I
have seen over the years treat files and messages as different
entities.

Depends at what level you're looking.

That's true. You'd think after all the time I used to spend playing middle man between the developers and users working out the kinks in the software at an old job that I'd remember that.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call
it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector
either, but
at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

When Nook was doing it's own thing reader wise it almost seemed like it was going the Apple route. It used it's own OS, not Android, It's own App store, it's own cable. I did like it better than the Kindle at the time, but that was
aggravating.

fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app,

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of
overlap. Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a

Yeah it's the overlap that's the killer. No overlap = no problem,
becaause
there's nothing to try and keep in sync. :)

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous as often as I crashed my system experimenting.


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What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

I read an interesting 2600 article about USB-C, which explained some of the weirdness of the standard -- where you can have a variety of different sub standards, given your need for data throughput, power, or cable length(e.g.,
4k TV versus a keyboard).

And it's not especially easy to tell the cables apart.

And there's supposed to be a chip in there to tell people that, hey, this
cable won't work for that purpose. But oftentimes cable makers cut corners
and save the buck the chip costs in order to keep the price slightly lower
when selling it.

And so on. Probably still a pretty solid standard, but there's a fair amount of, "Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's the right cable" items that can get confusing.

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Hello Charles!

** On Wednesday 07.10.20 - 04:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed:

fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2
versions, the app,

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

I wasn't either, until now! I would have loved to try it on
the BlackBerry. But, GooglePlay is not cooperating. It looks
like I have to have another app for the main store, and only
*then* have the GooglePlay app cooperate.


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On 10-07-20 04:28, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the
fine folks here.

As long as you beat it into submission. ;)


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On 10-07-20 04:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Depends at what level you're looking.

That's true. You'd think after all the time I used to spend playing
middle man between the developers and users working out the kinks in
the software at an old job that I'd remember that.

LOL yep. I tend to reduce things to their lowest level or most common concepts, where possible. :)

When Nook was doing it's own thing reader wise it almost seemed like it was going the Apple route. It used it's own OS, not Android, It's own
App store, it's own cable. I did like it better than the Kindle at the time, but that was aggravating.

At least Apple had the momentum, and its "Lightning" cables seem to be a better design than micro USB.

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

Certainly you're the only one I recall mentioning them.

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I
was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous
as often as I crashed my system experimenting.

Hahaha. :D


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On 10-07-20 20:19, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

I read an interesting 2600 article about USB-C, which explained some of the weirdness of the standard -- where you can have a variety of
different sub standards, given your need for data throughput, power, or cable length(e.g., 4k TV versus a keyboard).

Yeah, I knew there were a few variations.

And it's not especially easy to tell the cables apart.

And there's supposed to be a chip in there to tell people that, hey,
this cable won't work for that purpose. But oftentimes cable makers cut corners and save the buck the chip costs in order to keep the price slightly lower when selling it.

And so on. Probably still a pretty solid standard, but there's a fair amount of, "Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's the right cable"
items that can get confusing.

People always seem to find a way to screw things up. :D


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-07-20 04:28, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the
fine folks here.

As long as you beat it into submission. ;)

This is true, although I remember some mail readers I had the same issue with back in the day.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

Certainly you're the only one I recall mentioning them.

I look for those sort of things. I'm weird like that.

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I
was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous
as often as I crashed my system experimenting.

Hahaha. :D

I can laugh now, but it definitely caused pain at the time.

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