• Friday

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Friday, December 20, 2019 15:28:33
    Hey all.

    Just got home early from work, quite a few of my team finishing up today for the end of the year so we were all allowed to leave early today... so that's cool... gotta work 23 and 24th but that next week, so now rolling into the weekend..

    Just going to check on how the packet tossing etc. is going and then look at some stats stuff

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to All on Friday, November 20, 2020 15:38:50
    Hi

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    We're having dominos pizza tonight (wife won a voucher). Which will be
    good..

    Been doing bits on and off on my bbs software, added icons in windows :D
    also a new powered by windows ansi that gets installed with the windows installer (so the windows version doesn't say powered by debian)..

    Other than BBS stuff, haven't been up to much. My wife doesn't have a job
    to go back to when her leave runs out, which she's a bit upset about, she really liked her job.

    I'm installing NetBSD 9.1 on a spare computer, just for something to do.

    Not much else is new. Found a bug in magiterm, well a couple actually.
    One is the ESC[J doesn't work correctly, and the other looks like I broke scroll back functionality.

    I've fixed the ESC[J bug, but haven't looked at scroll back yet. hoping
    it's something simple.

    Andrew

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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 00:36:30
    Catching up on work, in theory. Work at a college and have course quality checks, a full course review, and content loading that's built up and is technically all overdue.

    Between those tasks, fiddling on my BBS while I keep finding less excuses to not actually launch it to the public and playing with my new Raspberry Pi 400.


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  • From Andy@21:3/128 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 07:34:15
    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Hi Andrew.

    Yep -> Relaxing at its best.

    Installing a Debian server and Mystic BBS from the scratch (without any knowledge about that mystic system), and adding this fsxNet was a hard peace
    of work to me.

    Last time I installed a BBS system is more than 30 years ago and if I remember right, it was still a DOS system :-D

    But pizza is a pretty good idea. Theres a dominos close to me also.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 01:02:19
    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a work related trip this week and was exposed to COVID.

    This weekend, my fiancee and I booked a bunch of tours of spots to go pick a wedding venue for spring of 2022, which are getting booked up fast.

    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the same three sets of clothes indefinitely until either I have multiple consecutive negative COVID tests /or/ I get and a) recover from or b) die from the illness.

    Meanwhile my fiancee will have to go spend a long weekend in wine country picking a wedding venue wondering if she'll ever get to see me again.

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go about
    our business, fuck you.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 02:19:44
    On 20 Nov 2020, 01:02a, ryan said the following...

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go aboutour business, fuck you.

    Wow. At least we can still have intelligent conversations. Great start!


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 01:27:09
    Wow. At least we can still have intelligent conversations. Great start!

    Thanks for the sympathy, buddy!

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 02:33:08
    On 20 Nov 2020, 01:27a, ryan said the following...

    Wow. At least we can still have intelligent conversations. Great star

    Thanks for the sympathy, buddy!

    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy? WOW!


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 01:34:58
    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy?
    WOW!

    No, let me be more specific: fuck YOU. You yourself, just you. Fuck you.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Friday, November 20, 2020 02:40:56
    On 20 Nov 2020, 01:34a, ryan said the following...

    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy? WOW!

    No, let me be more specific: f$$$ YOU. You yourself, just you. $$$ you.

    Paul,

    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:13:02
    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the same three
    sets of
    clothes indefinitely until either I have multiple consecutive negative
    COVID
    tests /or/ I get and a) recover from or b) die from the illness.

    I am sorry to hear that, I hope you get the negative results.

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go
    about
    our business, fuck you.

    While I tend to agree, and also understand your strong feelings on the
    matter, and I want to say perhaps best not to say such things, but part
    of me is a little tired of armchair scientests who've managed to avoid
    personal contact with the virus. Because keeping your business afloat is
    more important that peoples lives. Sure it's a small percentage that die,
    but it is deaths we can do something to avoid. The fact that people
    refuse to do anything for monetary gain makes me sick to the stomach.

    I guess that's why politics aren't allowed here.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:14:58
    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.

    Dan, I think that's a little extreme. Sure, he shouldn't have said what
    he said, but the emotions are running high. Others have said and done far worse.

    Andrew


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 03:18:08
    On 20 Nov 2020, 08:14p, apam said the following...

    Dan, I think that's a little extreme. Sure, he shouldn't have said what
    he said, but the emotions are running high. Others have said and done far worse.

    I think a personal attack is extreme.


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:39:02
    I think a personal attack is extreme.

    Perhaps, but you're bigger than that.

    Put it into context. Ryan's already lost a family member to covid, and
    now may potentially lose his life from it. He's upset and angry, and I
    suspect he wouldn't have flown off the handle if he wasn't.

    While the attack was aimed at you, I don't think it was directed at you personally, but the ideas you seem to support.

    I get that you're upset about being attacked, and I would be too, maybe
    wait until the emotions subside before banning him.

    Andrew


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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 10:32:34
    Black Panther wrote to Avon <=-

    Paul,
    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.

    Welcome to Fidonet. I quake at your amazing power great elflord.
    I also formally request to be blocked from hub 4 which I will now
    refer to as "Censorhub".

    Shawn

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 03:49:25
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Black Panther to Avon on Fri Nov 20 2020 02:40 am

    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.

    Please don't do that. You and anyone is free to twit filter people you don't want to read but blocking people is not an answer.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 08:18:26
    While I tend to agree, and also understand your strong feelings on the matter, and I want to say perhaps best not to say such things, but part
    of me is a little tired of armchair scientests who've managed to avoid personal contact with the virus. Because keeping your business afloat is more important that peoples lives. Sure it's a small percentage that die, but it is deaths we can do something to avoid. The fact that people
    refuse to do anything for monetary gain makes me sick to the stomach.

    As some who has had his wife and 14 year both infected with the virus at different times I can't say I disagree with ryan. One of my loved ones was even hospitalized because of it.

    Would I have said the same as ryan if in his situation, probably. I might have used different language but my point would have been the same.

    For those "half of the population" that want to ignore this and carry on to just make a buck, maybe your view of the situation would be different if you had to go through what so many have gone through unnecessarily.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 06:36:49
    Hi

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Gonna hit up the MRC Friday 'night' Meetup, hosted by MeaTLoTioN. His PiMP BBS on a One Plus phone seemed down yesterday, but we were going to give it a node test with 10 people... have to see if thats still an option. Also, apam, you should checkout the gravy train.. its @ 1pm pacfic time... 20:00UTC. Join MRC and chat with us! :P

    Man, its crazy.. I guess I have a girlfriend again; so we;ll be meeting up tonight to enjoy an evening together. And probably again during the day Sunday. Fun, passion, new; enjoy it while it lasts.

    My Great Dane, Big John and I have a date on Saturday, we're going on a small but decent hike up Leeander Trail - A cool spot in Scappoose, Oregon.

    I've got a Sunday meeting with another sysOp to discuss and work on a new BBS project/idea.

    And yea... I don't know what else I'll get into... but thanks for asking.

    Andrew

    Also, thanks for sharing whats happening in your life @ the current. Hope the wife doesn't feel TOO bad - everyone has a story right now, and I think we're all hurting in one way or another. Thats not unique and shouldn't be looked down on. Hope she does OK thru all.



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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 10:17:01
    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want symp WOW!
    No, let me be more specific: f$$$ YOU. You yourself, just you. $$$ yo

    Wow, what did I miss? Was this random spam? I must have the user twit'ed.

    -tG

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 06:47:00
    apam wrote to All <=-

    Hi

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    We're having dominos pizza tonight (wife won a voucher). Which will be good..

    Getting ready for a quiet Thanksgiving - my son will be with his mom
    this year, so it's my wife, my mother and my daughter. I'm looking
    for some wintry, classic side dishes; Jamie Oliver is usually good
    for a couple of those.

    I just renewed my VPS, I'm going to blow it away and install a fresh
    copy of Synchronet on it.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Black Panther on Friday, November 20, 2020 07:04:00
    apam wrote to Black Panther <=-

    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.

    Dan, I think that's a little extreme. Sure, he shouldn't have said what
    he said, but the emotions are running high. Others have said and done
    far worse.

    Agreed. We all can be a little more compassionate and understanding of
    each other, seeing as we're watching a political crisis in the US,
    many of us are losing our jobs, we've been home-schooling kids going
    crazy with cabin fever for going on 8 months now, and people are being hospitalized and dying around us.

    And Ryan's been exposed to Covid.

    You do what you want on your node, as long as it doesn't affect the
    rest of the net, but I'd cut the guy a little slack.


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  • From opicron@21:3/126 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 15:48:58
    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy? WOW!
    No, let me be more specific: fuck YOU. You yourself, just you. Fuck you.

    I expect this behaviour on Facebook.. Surely you are better than this?

    oP!

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 11:08:27
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to ryan on Fri Nov 20 2020 08:13 pm

    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the same three
    sets of
    clothes indefinitely until either I have multiple consecutive negative COVID
    tests /or/ I get and a) recover from or b) die from the illness.

    I am sorry to hear that, I hope you get the negative results.

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go about
    our business, fuck you.

    While I tend to agree, and also understand your strong feelings on the matter, and I want to say perhaps best not to say such things, but part
    of me is a little tired of armchair scientests who've managed to avoid personal contact with the virus. Because keeping your business afloat is more important that peoples lives. Sure it's a small percentage that die, but it is deaths we can do something to avoid. The fact that people
    refuse to do anything for monetary gain makes me sick to the stomach.

    I guess that's why politics aren't allowed here.

    Andrew

    Honestly, I find it disturbing when I find declarations such as "People's lives are more important than the economy," because they usually imply that economy exists in a separate world. It does not.

    Economy is not a bunch of rich dudes playing a global game of Monopoly. Economy is Jack making shoes so Mary doesn't have to walk on her naked feet and Jack can feed his familñy.

    My brick and mortar store is in a neighbourhood that has been KILLED by the crisis. By this I mean my business is the only one that remains operational appart from a flower shop on the other end of the street. And mine only survives because I have an e-commerce and logistics to sustain it, and because I have the sysadmining salary as a backup so I don't really have to make a living out of the store ONLY.

    Now, a lot of people seem to imply thast that the decission should be between letting everybody die from the virus or force Jack to close his store, and that if you don't close Jack's store, you are a bastard who prefer to save the economy rather than the people. The people making this assertion does not realize that closing Jack's store means Jacks and his family starve - and then there are no more shoes for Mary. Heck, if I were Jack I'd rather gamble with the virus.

    Frankly, I don't have a magic solution up my sleeve but accusing Jack of being a greedy bastard is not helpful at all.

    Sorry if I sound a bit sour but I had some tough phone calls to make this morning because supply chains are in a bit of a sorry state for some essentials and nearly had to break deals with suppliers that are living on 200 eur per month personally.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Friday, November 20, 2020 11:18:54
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: paulie420 to apam on Fri Nov 20 2020 06:36 am

    My Great Dane, Big John and I have a date on Saturday, we're going on a smal but decent hike up Leeander Trail - A cool spot in Scappoose, Oregon.

    I shall encommend to you the task of having a lot of fun on that trip.

    Also pet Big John for me :-)

    You know, I had a bit of a shaky morning and I think the onñly light I got what an old lady's dog who come up to me and asked me for some pats, wagging his tail like crazy :-P
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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to opicron on Friday, November 20, 2020 12:14:09

    On 11/20/2020 3:48 pm opicron said...
    No, let me be more specific: fuck YOU. You yourself, just you. Fuck
    you.

    I expect this behaviour on Facebook.. Surely you are better than this?

    Did I accidentally reactivate FidoNet?

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 12:51:25
    apam wrote:
    Hi

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Try to live through the weekend!

    We're having dominos pizza tonight (wife won a voucher). Which will be
    good..

    Sorry, but Domonos is the worst pizza on the planet. I tried it back in
    England in the 90's when I lived there and almost gagged. For a laugh I tried it here in Dallas a year or so ago...it was still nasty. Support your local pizzeria.

    Been doing bits on and off on my bbs software, added icons in windows :D
    also a new powered by windows ansi that gets installed with the windows installer (so the windows version doesn't say powered by debian)..

    I have a retro computer to fix but a bout of pinkeye has stopped any close up soldering work. I almost feel good enough to attempt it.

    Other than BBS stuff, haven't been up to much. My wife doesn't have a job
    to go back to when her leave runs out, which she's a bit upset about, she really liked her job.

    indeed.com :)


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    I had a friend get me into NetBSD. I liked it but I always had some sort of issue doing an update. That's when I found Mandrake CDs at a local Half Price Books. I really liked their urpmi system, and it was fast but ended up progressing to CentOS.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 05:46:00
    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Ahh as it stand no... I have #1 Son in for the weekend... meanwhile, I kicked all the other family members out for a wake up call. Bit tired of the unit being turned into a hovel, no one wanting to tidy. Wandering in and out at all hours yada yada... So go away, go away and think about it, if you want to come and live here thats fine... BUT when you do its home rules...not your own convenience rules.

    Hmmm church video again... its starting to wear thin.. they're starting to get fresh victims in the front door. Changes the whole outlook on how things work.. far noisier than it was.. had to get the hearing protection out. Its just really not my go.

    And while I have an empty nest so to speak, try and whip it into shape again.

    Spec


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Arelor on Saturday, November 21, 2020 06:44:44

    Frankly, I don't have a magic solution up my sleeve but accusing Jack
    of being
    a greedy bastard is not helpful at all.

    Perhaps Jack isn't the greedy bastard in this picture, perhaps it is
    those hording the wealth that allow Jack's family to starve because he
    has to close his shop for a few months/weeks.

    There is a whole lot of middle ground that people seem to forget about
    these days, it's all leftie vs rightie, one extreme vs the other.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/101 to Nigel Reed on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:37:08
    Sorry, but Domonos is the worst pizza on the planet. I tried it back in England in the 90's when I lived there and almost gagged. For a laugh I tried it here in Dallas a year or so ago...it was still nasty. Support your local pizzeria.

    Yeah, dominos is pretty bad. The best pizza here is from an italian place called La Taste. We only got dominos as the wife one a voucher for 2 free pizzas, garlic bread and drink.

    La Taste pizza is fairly expensive though, so often when we have pizza it's pizza hut. I quiet like the "Butcher's Block" pizza they make, but yeah can't beat La Taste, their "The Lot" pizza with anchovies is my favorite. So loaded with toppings mmmm.

    I have a retro computer to fix but a bout of pinkeye has stopped any
    close up soldering work. I almost feel good enough to attempt it.

    Sounds like fun! What computer is it? I got into building Z80 based homebrew computers (inc RC2014) which was a lot of fun. Haven't done any of that
    lately though. Retro computers are so expensive these days, but the homebrew ones are pretty cheap (since they use new parts I guess).

    I had a friend get me into NetBSD. I liked it but I always had some sort of issue doing an update. That's when I found Mandrake CDs at a local
    Half Price Books. I really liked their urpmi system, and it was fast but ended up progressing to CentOS.

    Yep, NetBSD always seems to have some quirks, I'm just looking at rust failed to compile (checksum mismatch) last night. I guess that's part of the fun.

    Have you tried openSUSE? their zypper system is really good, and YaST as well is very good.

    Andrew

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 15:50:41
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to Arelor on Sat Nov 21 2020 06:44 am


    Frankly, I don't have a magic solution up my sleeve but accusing Jack
    of being
    a greedy bastard is not helpful at all.

    Perhaps Jack isn't the greedy bastard in this picture, perhaps it is
    those hording the wealth that allow Jack's family to starve because he
    has to close his shop for a few months/weeks.

    Well you are moving the goal posts then.

    Honestly, economical system or wealth distribution does not matter much in this case since a shutdown is a shutdown both in an anarchocapitalistic system or in a communist hellhole.

    If you shutdown the shoe factories in order to prevent the spread of the virus, the country eventually runs out of shoes. You can point a gun against somebody's head and force him to buy shoes for everybody (pressumably manufactured in a country where shoe factories have not been shutdown) but that will only last until that person runs out of money. Then you run out of shoes again.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Arelor on Saturday, November 21, 2020 08:40:34
    Well you are moving the goal posts then.

    I didn't set any goal posts. You're reading things into my posts that
    aren't there.

    Honestly, economical system or wealth distribution does not matter
    much in this
    case since a shutdown is a shutdown both in an anarchocapitalistic
    system or in
    a communist hellhole.

    Shut down worked here.

    If you shutdown the shoe factories in order to prevent the spread of
    the virus,
    the country eventually runs out of shoes. You can point a gun against somebody's head and force him to buy shoes for everybody (pressumably manufactured in a country where shoe factories have not been shutdown)

    You don't shutdown forever (sorry I thought that was obvious).

    I don't have any interest in continuing this discussion with you (or with anyone infact).

    Andrew


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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 16:43:14
    apam wrote:
    Sorry, but Domonos is the worst pizza on the planet. I tried it back in England in the 90's when I lived there and almost gagged. For a laugh I tried it here in Dallas a year or so ago...it was still nasty. Support your local pizzeria.

    Yeah, dominos is pretty bad. The best pizza here is from an italian place called La Taste. We only got dominos as the wife one a voucher for 2 free pizzas, garlic bread and drink.

    La Taste pizza is fairly expensive though, so often when we have pizza it's pizza hut. I quiet like the "Butcher's Block" pizza they make, but yeah can't beat La Taste, their "The Lot" pizza with anchovies is my favorite. So loaded with toppings mmmm.

    We have a few independent places close by so quite a choice but you can't beat Pizza Hut for their stuffed crust. Nobody else can seem to do it right. Even when I make pizza myself it's just not the same.

    I have a retro computer to fix but a bout of pinkeye has stopped any close up soldering work. I almost feel good enough to attempt it.

    Sounds like fun! What computer is it? I got into building Z80 based homebrew computers (inc RC2014) which was a lot of fun. Haven't done any of that lately though. Retro computers are so expensive these days, but the homebrew ones are pretty cheap (since they use new parts I guess).

    It's a BBC Micro. A British computer of the 80's. 2mhz 32K but hugely popular back then, mostly in schools. It has a PSU that had a tendency to pop caps
    from time to time so I replaced them and I have a connector that came away
    from the motherboard that I have to resolder along with a strip that seems to have peeled away.

    Have you tried openSUSE? their zypper system is really good, and YaST as well is very good.

    I looked at it but never got into it. If I recall it's similar to what SCO
    Unix used to be. Maybe I'm thinking of openserver. I don't know. I ended up going to Ubuntu on my home server, mainly because I wanted to run more up to date MariaDB and php without jumping through SCL hoops, plus it runs a later kernel which, I hoped, would fix some issues I has having. It didn't, but a
    new CPU did :)
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 23:52:12
    I don't have any interest in continuing this discussion with you (or with anyone infact).

    I hope everyone is on board with that.

    This topic is valid, and can be kinda-sorta not political (e.g., talking
    about one's own life), but I'm not finding any value in the current discussions. And I wonder if anyone is.

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Adept on Friday, November 20, 2020 17:00:53
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Adept to apam on Fri Nov 20 2020 11:52 pm

    I hope everyone is on board with that.

    I am.

    This topic is valid, and can be kinda-sorta not political (e.g., talking about one's own life), but I'm not finding any value in the current discussions. And I wonder if anyone is.

    The topic of covid is completely non political and I think fair game for people to discuss or not as they please.

    People who deny (whatever) are a dangerous sort who make me want to load up my twit filter.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Al on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:17:42
    The topic of covid is completely non political and I think fair game
    for people
    to discuss or not as they please.

    Maybe if we were bioligists living in a bubble, but in the real world
    bringing up covid is most definitley bringing up politics.

    People who deny (whatever) are a dangerous sort who make me want to
    load up my t
    wit filter.

    Not sure exactly what you mean by that.

    Andrew


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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 17:33:55
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to Al on Sat Nov 21 2020 11:17 am

    Maybe if we were bioligists living in a bubble, but in the real world bringing up covid is most definitley bringing up politics.

    Yes, that is certainly true here in North America. Someone may simply want to talk about covid.. their own or others experience with it and not wish a political discussion but it may very well elicit an unwanted political response.

    People who deny (whatever) are a dangerous sort who make me want to
    load up my twit filter.

    Not sure exactly what you mean by that.

    People who reply to a covid question or discussion and say covid is not any kind of danger and only 6000 people have died from it.

    I hate the lies and misinformation that some spread about covid. I hate lies and misinformation generally.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From apam@21:1/126.1 to Al on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:47:04
    I hate the lies and misinformation that some spread about covid. I
    hate lies and
    misinformation generally.

    Yes, I do to. Unfortunatly it seems many people have a hard time differentiating between information and lies.

    Many would say you and I are believing lies and misinformation.

    Andrew


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:35:00
    apam wrote to Al <=-

    The topic of covid is completely non political and I think fair game
    for people to discuss or not as they please.

    Maybe if we were bioligists living in a bubble, but in the real
    world bringing up covid is most definitley bringing up politics.

    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up
    Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:37:00
    ryan wrote to apam <=-

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a work
    related trip this week and was exposed to COVID.

    This weekend, my fiancee and I booked a bunch of tours of spots
    to go pick a wedding venue for spring of 2022, which are getting
    booked up fast.

    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the same
    three sets of clothes indefinitely until either I have multiple consecutive negative COVID tests /or/ I get and a) recover from
    or b) die from the illness.

    Meanwhile my fiancee will have to go spend a long weekend in wine
    country picking a wedding venue wondering if she'll ever get to
    see me again.

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just
    go about our business, fuck you.

    Wow, that sucks.

    Did you take the proper precautions, or what? How did you allow
    yourself to be exposed to Covid?



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 21:50:00
    Hello ryan!

    ** On Friday 20.11.20 - 01:02, ryan wrote to apam:

    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a
    work related trip this week and was exposed to COVID.

    [snip]

    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the
    same three sets of clothes indefinitely

    I have been doing the latter part for years.


    ..until either I have multiple consecutive negative COVID
    tests /or/ I get and a) recover from or b) die from the
    illness.

    Elon Musk was tested 4 times, same session, same test, same
    nurse, and the results were 2 postive, 2 negative. Should he
    stay in an AirBNB and wash 3 sets of clothes indefinitely too?
    :(

    Can you demand additional tests before the results of the 1st
    one arrive?

    You may have grounds to join your fiance.
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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 18:59:38
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to Al on Sat Nov 21 2020 11:47 am

    Many would say you and I are believing lies and misinformation.

    Yes, this is true. I know that I have had my own "facts" checked and was proven wrong. We need to check our own beliefs and facts.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Gamgee on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:31:30
    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.

    How is that important?

    He brought it up because he was upset and angry, so he's guilty of not
    keeping his emotions in check.

    You'd have to be blind to not see he was clearly upset and angry.

    Yet someone had to bite. In this case it was Dan.

    I'm sorry, but we're supposed to be adults. Pointing and saying but he
    started it.... that's something a child would do.

    Andrew


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Saturday, November 21, 2020 16:44:46
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:02a, ryan pondered and said...

    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a work related trip this week and was exposed to COVID.

    This weekend, my fiancee and I booked a bunch of tours of spots to go
    pick a wedding venue for spring of 2022, which are getting booked up
    fast.

    So this weekend I'm staying in an AirBNB and washing the same three sets of clothes indefinitely until either I have multiple consecutive
    negative COVID tests /or/ I get and a) recover from or b) die from the illness.

    Meanwhile my fiancee will have to go spend a long weekend in wine country picking a wedding venue wondering if she'll ever get to see me again.

    I'm really sorry to read that you've tested positive for the virus. I can
    only imagine how stressed out and scary this must be for you and your
    fiancee at this time Ryan.

    I really hope your health remains stable and the effects of this virus are minimal on your health. I think the wide reported variety of medical reactions people are having to this virus is certainly a driver for stress as it all feels like it's a lottery as to who is going to be badly impacted by it and
    who is not. I truly wish you the best for ending up in the least impacted
    camp.

    Not that there's much that I can do to help you from way over here but if I
    can be of some moral support lemme know. I can post Kiwi candy over :)

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go
    about our business, fuck you.

    While I appreciate you're stressed out to the max I'd ask you please refrain from posting expletives at others, it's only going to wind others up and make a stressful time even more so for both you and folks also dealing with the impacts of Covid in their own ways.

    Take care good sir.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 21:49:00
    apam wrote to Gamgee <=-

    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.

    How is that important?

    Because... (you snipped it out for some reason...), you said that
    "bringing up Covid was most definitely bringing up politics".

    So to then seemingly defend him goes against the "no politics" policy
    of this echo. Yes, you are/were defending him (see below) by pointing
    out that he posted that because he was upset and angry. He probably
    was, but that doesn't make it OK.

    He brought it up because he was upset and angry, so he's guilty
    of not keeping his emotions in check.

    You'd have to be blind to not see he was clearly upset and angry.

    Yet someone had to bite. In this case it was Dan.

    I'm sorry, but we're supposed to be adults. Pointing and saying
    but he started it.... that's something a child would do.

    That wasn't the point of what I said, and that should be obvious to an
    adult.



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Saturday, November 21, 2020 17:06:59
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:34a, ryan pondered and said...

    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy? WOW!

    No, let me be more specific: fuck YOU. You yourself, just you. Fuck you.

    Hi Ryan. Please cease the personal attack. Regardless of the stress etc.
    you're under right now this kind of thing needs to stop.

    We have all shown in the past that we can choose to rise above this kind of
    one on one acrimony. I'd ask you reflect on things and seek to do so as well.

    With thanks, Paul

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Gamgee on Saturday, November 21, 2020 14:08:10
    Because... (you snipped it out for some reason...), you said that
    "bringing up Covid was most definitely bringing up politics".

    I'm a little confused. Weren't you replying to a message I sent Al? I
    think you may have gotten all these messages at once, when they were
    actually some last night and some today.

    And yes, I did say bringing up covid brings up politics, that was in
    reply to Al saying Covid was a compleltey politics free topic.

    So to then seemingly defend him goes against the "no politics" policy
    of this echo. Yes, you are/were defending him (see below) by pointing
    out that he posted that because he was upset and angry. He probably
    was, but that doesn't make it OK.

    You're right, it doesn't make it ok, but it should at least trigger some empathy in us.

    And yes, I suppose me defending ryan is going against the no politics
    rule. I was trying to defuse a situation between Dan and Ryan, both who
    were pretty upset and angry.

    Andrew


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Saturday, November 21, 2020 17:30:18
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:34a, ryan pondered and said...

    You just told half the population to f$$$ you, and you want sympathy? WOW!

    No, let me be more specific: fuck YOU. You yourself, just you. Fuck you.

    Hi Dan.

    You will have read that I have asked Ryan for this kind of conduct to stop. I don't condone that kind of rebuke regardless of situation. I do see that the guy is super stressed at testing positive for Covid-19 so am considerate of the backdrop to all of this.

    I'm also mindful it's a full on time for you right now with a lot going on and that you guys don't see eye to eye on some stuff - so a bit of a perfect
    storm in some ways for pots to boil over a bit I guess?

    I'd ask that you please drop the thread. It's not leading anywhere that seems to be ending in anything constructive between you both.

    With thanks, Paul.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Saturday, November 21, 2020 17:44:00
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 10:32a, Tiny pondered and said...

    Black Panther wrote to Avon <=-

    Paul,
    I'm not sure about hub 1, but he is now blocked on hub 4.

    Hi folks.

    I've caught up with Dan and to be clear, Ryan is not being Twitt filtered etc. at the NET 4 fsxNet HUB. Any traffic he posts through the network will carry onwards to all nodes across all HUBs.

    Dan has opted to block Ryan's IP address so his systems are unable to connect with Dan's. That's Dan's call to do. It's his gear etc. I'm not going to take sides on the rights or wrongs of that.

    But I wanted to clarify things (as per above) so we're all clear on what has been done and equally importantly what has not.

    Welcome to Fidonet. I quake at your amazing power great elflord.
    I also formally request to be blocked from hub 4 which I will now
    refer to as "Censorhub".

    fsxNet is *not* Fidonet. Just as apples are not oranges. They are both fruit but look and taste quite different. How we feel about each and choose to
    react to both is up to each of us individually.

    You all know of the goals of this network. As far as I know they don't appear in any Fidonet docs.

    - Have fun!
    - Keep it simple
    - Be kind, respectful and helpful
    - Reject disruptive conduct that willfully incites discord

    I'd ask everyone to keep them in mind and aim to act in accordance with them.
    I seem to need to do this at times like this when many of us are stressed out with stuff going on around the world right now.

    If we choose not to run with above goals and opt to bring across conduct or ideas from other places and spaces that are (shall we say) less than
    congenial, then yes, you will get the very things you don't want in a FTN that so many folks say they are glad are largely absent from this FTN.

    It's on *all* of us to work to uphold things we can agree are worth
    upholding. I can't do it on my own, nor will I.

    Thanks for reading :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to ryan on Friday, November 20, 2020 19:43:40
    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?
    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a work related trip thisweek and was exposed to COVID.

    ugh, sorry you got exposed - but look on the bright side, you probably didn't catch it.

    To whoever thinks this pandemic is a hoax and that we should just go aboutour business, fuck you.

    i'm with you - i just wish people would socially distance, wear masks and mitigate. kinda like what you didn't do; but...



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Arelor on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:11:29
    My Great Dane, Big John and I have a date on Saturday, we're going on a but decent hike up Leeander Trail - A cool spot in Scappoose, Oregon.
    I shall encommend to you the task of having a lot of fun on that trip. Also pet Big John for me :-)
    You know, I had a bit of a shaky morning and I think the onñly light I gotwhat an old lady's dog who come up to me and asked me for some pats, wagginghis tail like crazy :-P
    --

    I read about your morning; sorry. Ugh. I, also, run a small biz and it has been hell this year.

    Big John and I do try to distance literally as much as possible... also, I don't really... well, I've always dated but - this gal has been a real great thing, during covid. We're the only person the other 'breaks' for... and having another human to doso with has been awesome.

    Oh, and the fact that we're in young love is awesome too! :P Lol. Nothing wrong with enjoying each other!



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:24:02
    I don't have any interest in continuing this discussion with you (or with anyone infact).
    Andrew

    I'm sorry, brother. This year has been hell on everyone... and we're seeing that in each other. I wish it would stay out of our safe place where our online friends reside.

    I heard you, I heard others, I have my own ideals - we're all friends. You don't gotta have this convo. I'm here for both of ya'll, and the other folks I enjoy 'talking to' daily.

    Cheers brother.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Friday, November 20, 2020 20:34:41
    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.
    How is that important?
    He brought it up because he was upset and angry, so he's guilty of not keeping his emotions in check.

    Agreed.

    You'd have to be blind to not see he was clearly upset and angry.

    Agreed. I feel bad for him.

    Yet someone had to bite. In this case it was Dan.

    Disagree; or at least.. I understand that - EVERYONE is all f**ked off in this current world. I think EVERYONE deserves a pass or three.

    You, me, him, Dan, even The Millionairre. :P



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  • From apam@21:1/126.1 to paulie420 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 16:50:54
    Yet someone had to bite. In this case it was Dan.

    Disagree; or at least.. I understand that - EVERYONE is all f**ked off
    in this c
    urrent world. I think EVERYONE deserves a pass or three.

    You, me, him, Dan, even The Millionairre. :P

    Yeah I agree. Just to be clear, I don't have anything against Dan, I like
    him, and consider him a friend.

    It is tough times, and you're right everyone deserves a little slack.

    Andrew


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 02:50:20
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to Arelor on Sat Nov 21 2020 08:40 am

    Shut down worked here.

    More power to you I guess. Count yourself lucky.

    We had our 100 days shutdown and once it was over we started piling up cases like crazy once again. They keep talking about enforcing another one but the question higher ups keep asking themselves is whether we can actually survive another one.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nigel Reed on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:40:00
    On 11-20-20 12:51, Nigel Reed wrote to apam <=-

    Sorry, but Domonos is the worst pizza on the planet. I tried it back in England in the 90's when I lived there and almost gagged. For a laugh I tried it here in Dallas a year or so ago...it was still nasty. Support your local pizzeria.

    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local family run pizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:42:00
    On 11-21-20 05:46, Spectre wrote to apam <=-

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    Well, today was sports day - did my mobility/prehab routine in the morning and track in the arvo. Ran a decent 400m today in good conditions - 62.8 seconds. :)

    Tomorrow, hoping to go out for coffee and might hit the pool. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:46:00
    On 11-21-20 06:44, apam wrote to Arelor <=-

    There is a whole lot of middle ground that people seem to forget about these days, it's all leftie vs rightie, one extreme vs the other.

    Especially in the US. At least here in Australia, the level of control that's been put on the virus is allowing the economy to carefully start up again, and the authorities are getting better at stepping on each new outbreak. I agree with you that this Left vs Right crap is doing no one any good.

    But things are still going to be a little iffy, until a working vaccine is in widespread use. At least there's promising signs on that front from multiple teams.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:57:00
    On 11-21-20 08:40, apam wrote to Arelor <=-

    Shut down worked here.

    Provided that there's decent health monitoring (i.e. extensive testing) and contact tracing to contain any unexpected outbreaks, which has also been successful in Australia. We did have some issues here in Victoria due to some ineffective systems, but these have been beefed up since, and the bigger lockdown did get the case load back to zero. We get to hear tomorrow what the next stage of opening up looks like.

    The use of waste water (sewage) testing is a useful tool to get a heads up on where to focus testing. Seems to get a lot of false positives from virus shedding and people passing through, but at least testing can be done to identify any actual cases in the area. The last couple of Victorian outbreaks at the end of the second wave, the one in Adelaide and recent NSW/QLD outbreaks showed that with the right resources it is possible to get on top of this thing quickly.

    I think the whole country is at the point where a "COVID normal", where most activities can proceed (maybe with some adjustments) in a fairly normal way. Get the health response right, and the economy can tick along nicely too. It's definitely not an either/or.

    I'm of the opinion that COVID is NOT "just a flu" and needs to be treated with respect. And we still don't know the extent of long term effects, simply because it hasn't been around long enough for us to find out.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Saturday, November 21, 2020 19:52:00
    Perhaps Jack isn't the greedy bastard in this picture, perhaps it is

    Honestly, economical system or wealth distribution does not matter much in this case since a shutdown is a shutdown both in an

    Its not the "Jack"s that keep that factory open though, its the Imelda Marcoss' of this word. ;) Jack's shoes are just subsistance, there's a lot of sh*t that we don't really need, and won't run out of in the quite possibly the next 6-12months if you had to close the entire globe down :) But there are portions of it that can't do that either... notably subsistence food supply avenues, mostly more 3rd world style countries.

    The other thing you have to take into account is everyones political reality is very different.. In Aus we have had excellent Govt' support during complete closures. The US doesn't like to do that for its citizens apparently. Its just a completely different model.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:01:00
    I hate the lies and misinformation that some spread about covid. I hate lies and misinformation generally.

    So you'd really be agin sadistics, oh hang on... satistics then... :)

    Spec


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Vk3jed on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:18:04
    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local
    family run
    pizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)

    My main problem with dominos is the ever shrinking "large" size. They
    claim they didn't but even the boxes got smaller.

    They taste ok, but yeah, as you say much better from the pizza shop.

    Andrew


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Saturday, November 21, 2020 06:18:22
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Sat Nov 21 2020 07:52 pm

    Perhaps Jack isn't the greedy bastard in this picture, perhaps it is

    Honestly, economical system or wealth distribution does not matter much this case since a shutdown is a shutdown both in an

    Its not the "Jack"s that keep that factory open though, its the Imelda Marco of this word. ;) Jack's shoes are just subsistance, there's a lot of sh*t t we don't really need, and won't run out of in the quite possibly the next 6-12months if you had to close the entire globe down :) But there are porti of it that can't do that either... notably subsistence food supply avenues, mostly more 3rd world style countries.

    The other thing you have to take into account is everyones political reality very different.. In Aus we have had excellent Govt' support during complete closures. The US doesn't like to do that for its citizens apparently. Its just a completely different model.

    Spec


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    My complaint was more tailored to people who is using the "lives over economy" eslogan to shun other people who only wants to work. It gets tiresome soon enough, and rather depressing.

    Here we had our lockdown against non-essentials, which also pulled an indirect lockdown against essentials. And by this I mean, we had agriculture and healthcare and fuel lock down on its own because demand fell like a brick - you don't open your clinic if you get no patients right?

    Then after all the damage was done and people cannot afford groceries anymore, lockdown is lifted and the virus returns with a vengenance.

    I think the big problem is there has been virtually zero tracking of cases around here and zero responsibility from the general population. If we had proper tracking during the lockdown time we could have identified the hot spots and isolated them when it was easy to do so. What we got instead is people organizing underground parties in cellars and nobody taking notice of who had the virus and who that person might have passed it to.

    I mean wtf, what worth is a lockdown if you don't use it properly.
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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Vk3jed on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:49:20
    On 21 Nov 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local family runpizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)

    There's a local shop here in town called "Chicago Style Pizza" which as you might guess, makes Chicago Style pizzas. It's a deep dish pizza where you have maybe one or two inches of cheese:

    http://www.chicagostylepizza.ca/gallery/csp12.jpg

    When we're in the mood for something a little more expensive and locally owned & operated that's what we opt for.

    They even appeared on a TV show on the Food Networked called "You Gotta Eat Here" and became SUPER busy after that.


    Jay

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to paulie420 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:25:57
    paulie420 wrote to apam <=-

    Man, its crazy.. I guess I have a girlfriend again; so we;ll be meeting
    up tonight to enjoy an evening together. And probably again during the
    day Sunday. Fun, passion, new; enjoy it while it lasts.

    A returning one or a new one? Hope you all have fun with whatever you get
    up to.

    My Great Dane, Big John and I have a date on Saturday, we're going on a small but decent hike up Leeander Trail - A cool spot in Scappoose, Oregon.

    Hope the weather is good for your hike. Sounds like fun!


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:33:48
    apam wrote to All <=-

    Other than BBS stuff, haven't been up to much. My wife doesn't have a
    job to go back to when her leave runs out, which she's a bit upset
    about, she really liked her job.

    That is no good. I have a friend who has semi-recovered from the COVID but
    now has no job to return to. If I understand it, she was already aware of
    the lay-off coming before she was diagnosed. Still sucks, though. :(

    Not much planned this weekend. Weather is dreary so will probably try to
    get the usual chores done and then pick a few other indoor activities.
    Going to play with my new action camera some. Once I can start traveling
    again I hope to start getting some good footage of what I have left of the Great Lakes Circle Tours plus some footage of old US 66 and some other US highways.

    Have a long weekend to myself coming up at the end of next week... I am
    worried I will run out of things to do then! :o



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Gamgee on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:38:21
    Gamgee wrote to apam <=-

    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.

    Who happens to be in quarantine because he may have it and "it" is pretty
    much his weekend plans, which was the original question.

    He may not always say things I like but I cannot fault him for being very
    upset here.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to ryan on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:57:19
    ryan wrote to apam <=-

    Against my better judgement I was convinced to go on a work related
    trip this week and was exposed to COVID.

    I have been convinced to go into work a few times recently, just to have us turn around and go on semi-lockdown. We all took as many precautions as we could so I am hoping we are all OK.

    For some odd reason, I thought you maybe already had COVID, or maybe you thought you did? Hopefully your tests remain negative and you can get back to getting ready to get married (and not going on any more office outings!)!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:19:00
    paulie420 wrote to Arelor <=-

    I read about your morning; sorry. Ugh. I, also, run a small biz and it
    has been hell this year.

    I get the sinking feeling that it's started getting worse. I drive
    along interstate 101 in San Jose to get to my office once a week, and
    this week noticed a couple of storefronts with painted over signs
    that a couple of weeks ago were businesses.

    It's one of those things that you see every day and don't pay
    attention, but I knew they had business names recently. One of them
    was an auto repair shop, while people still need to drive, people
    aren't driving anywhere near what they used to, and so need less
    service.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:21:00
    paulie420 wrote to apam <=-

    Disagree; or at least.. I understand that - EVERYONE is all f**ked off
    in this current world. I think EVERYONE deserves a pass or three.

    A little compassion goes a long way. I've been trying to impress on my
    daughter when someone does something that makes you mad or offends you
    that everyone is going through stressful times, and reminds her that
    stress brings out the worst in people some times. But it passes.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:23:00
    Vk3jed wrote to apam <=-

    The use of waste water (sewage) testing is a useful tool to get a heads
    up on where to focus testing. Seems to get a lot of false positives
    from virus shedding and people passing through, but at least testing
    can be done to identify any actual cases in the area.

    I read about a campus in the US that tested out sewage testing and
    was able to isolate a COVID outbreak to a dorm building and stop the
    spread early. Sounds promising.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:26:00
    Spectre wrote to Arelor <=-

    The other thing you have to take into account is everyones political reality is very different.. In Aus we have had excellent Govt'
    support during complete closures. The US doesn't like to do that for
    its citizens apparently. Its just a completely different model.

    We got $1200 (or less, much less) in funding 9 months ago. According
    to our treasury secretary, who hasn't paid rent in many years, he was
    told that should last people "about 10 weeks".

    The first industries called out by name for relief - hotels and
    cruise liners.

    A government not bought and paid for by big business would have
    provided ongoing relief to people, because, guess what? People with
    money spend it and *that* props up businesses.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:28:00
    apam wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My main problem with dominos is the ever shrinking "large" size. They claim they didn't but even the boxes got smaller.

    If you do a search online, you'll find lots of blogs where people take
    before and after photos of "New, Improved" grocery items where they
    try to fool the customer into thinking they're getting the same amount
    of product in a 13 oz. "pint" of ice cream, or a 12 oz. "pound" of
    coffee.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Saturday, November 21, 2020 07:30:00
    Arelor wrote to Spectre <=-

    I mean wtf, what worth is a lockdown if you don't use it properly.

    My county just announced a lockdown from 10pm to 5am. I didn't know
    viruses could tell time.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Blue White on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:45:00
    Blue White wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to apam <=-

    And who was it that started this whole shitstorm thread by bringing up Covid?

    That's right. Ryan.

    Who happens to be in quarantine because he may have it and "it"
    is pretty much his weekend plans, which was the original
    question.

    Yep, understood.

    He may not always say things I like but I cannot fault him for
    being very upset here.

    Sure, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean it's OK for him to be
    telling people to f**k off. Especially when he's doing it because he
    thinks (some) people may not be taking Covid seriously enough. Yet,
    he leaves out the details of how he was (supposedly) exposed to Covid.
    Was he following the accepted protocols (distance, mask, washing), or
    was he NOT doing that? If NOT, then..... who's fault is it that he
    may have been exposed? Also if NOT, how can he tell others that
    they're not taking it seriously enough? Lots of unanswered questions.



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  • From djatropine@21:4/154 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:53:54
    My county just announced a lockdown from 10pm to 5am. I didn't know
    viruses could tell time.



    If your Sheriff won't enforce it, I'd ignore it.


    Whoever decided to enact these retarded laws deserves to have backlash on their hands. If your sheriff won't enforce it thank him.
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:59:54
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Spectre on Sat Nov 21 2020 07:26 am

    We got $1200 (or less, much less) in funding 9 months ago. According
    to our treasury secretary, who hasn't paid rent in many years, he was
    told that should last people "about 10 weeks".

    The first industries called out by name for relief - hotels and
    cruise liners.

    A government not bought and paid for by big business would have
    provided ongoing relief to people, because, guess what? People with
    money spend it and *that* props up businesses.

    Dunno, money injections only work in the extreme short term. I will refer to my analogy about shoe factories, which I made earlier.

    For things to work you need for people to trust each other and want to work for each other. I can give a unemployed man two thousand dollar, but if shoe factories are closed chances are he won't be able to buy shoes. Money is not worth a damn without industry to support it.
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:01:09
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Nov 21 2020 07:30 am

    Arelor wrote to Spectre <=-

    I mean wtf, what worth is a lockdown if you don't use it properly.

    My county just announced a lockdown from 10pm to 5am. I didn't know
    viruses could tell time.



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    I am sorry, I know I should not be laugthing with this sort of issue, but you nearly got me rolling on the floor in laugther with that one.
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  • From djatropine@21:4/154 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:16:58
    I mean wtf, what worth is a lockdown if you don't use it properly.

    My county just announced a lockdown from 10pm to 5am. I didn't know
    viruses could tell time.

    Lockdowns don't work.

    Speakeasies have mage a HUGE comeback. :D


    Prohibition didn't work.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to djatropine on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:03:39
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: djatropine to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 21 2020 01:16 pm

    Speakeasies have mage a HUGE comeback. :D


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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Spectre on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:46:57
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Spectre to Al on Sat Nov 21 2020 08:01 pm

    I hate the lies and misinformation that some spread about covid. I
    hate lies and misinformation generally.

    So you'd really be agin sadistics, oh hang on... satistics then... :)

    Well, if I'm working with statistics or sadistics I just hope I have good information to get to the real truth!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Avon on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:04:47
    It's on *all* of us to work to uphold things we can agree are worth upholding. I can't do it on my own, nor will I.
    Thanks for reading :)
    Best, Paul

    I'll drop the 'Friday' thread, and just wanna say that I literally love fsxNet. It has been a community for me, thru this hard 2020.

    I have several people I call FRIENDS thru this community.

    I sometimes talk too much; I sometimes have ruffled feathers, but ultimately I enjoy fsxNet and what it stands for.

    Fun.
    Simple.
    eXperimental.

    I'll help in any ways I can; mostly, just by sticking to those 3 fundamentals.

    Cheers, Avon...



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:14:01
    Yeah I agree. Just to be clear, I don't have anything against Dan, I like him, and consider him a friend.
    It is tough times, and you're right everyone deserves a little slack. Andrew

    I wish Mystic had a little +1, or thumbs up... even if there was no -1, that so many people hate.

    This didn't NEED a reply but... agree. We're all more of a community than some see. Sprinkles of friends in between all the users.

    fsxNet IS community. I just want everyone to get along, respect others and I think that means to keep the extreme views closer to their chest.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:00:09
    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local
    family run
    pizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)

    My main problem with dominos is the ever shrinking "large" size. They claim they didn't but even the boxes got smaller.

    They taste ok, but yeah, as you say much better from the pizza shop.

    Andrew

    LOL - I just had domino's last night and now I wish I hadn went elsewhere.. Damnit, I think lunch is pizza too. :/ Ugh.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Blue White on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:23:07
    Man, its crazy.. I guess I have a girlfriend again; so we;ll be meeti up tonight to enjoy an evening together. And probably again during th day Sunday. Fun, passion, new; enjoy it while it lasts.
    A returning one or a new one? Hope you all have fun with whatever you getup to.

    This gal I met a few months ago. We met during an open part of this summer and decided that one new person that you'd see multiple times while things aren't completely normal was well worth the risk involved.

    Thanks, we had a good fun newly dating couple Friday eve. :P Hooray for human contact.

    My Great Dane, Big John and I have a date on Saturday, we're going on small but decent hike up Leeander Trail - A cool spot in Scappoose, Oregon.
    Hope the weather is good for your hike. Sounds like fun!

    Yep, John and I are fixin to get outta here and into the woods. He's pretty pumped, but I just know that we're gonna get rained on pretty good.

    I also decided to eat some dispensary breakfast so... yea. I'll either be weirded out or enjoy nature a little more than normal - I'm into it. :P Lets roll, Big John!



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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to paulie420 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 18:29:20

    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local family run
    pizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)

    My main problem with dominos is the ever shrinking "large" size. They claim they didn't but even the boxes got smaller.

    They taste ok, but yeah, as you say much better from the pizza shop.
    LOL - I just had domino's last night and now I wish I hadn went elsewhere.. Damnit, I think lunch is pizza too. :/ Ugh.


    My childhood favorite Pizza was Godfathers (oddly .. not what I named my alias after ..) I just found out we have two here! I might have to try it again just to see if its really any good. I'm surprised they are still around, I recall most closing in Colorado, but loved their pizza. When I lived in Oklahoma, I liked Mazzios Pizza, and worked there during my last two years of high school (long story how I ended up in Oklahoma for 2 years from Colorado, then back but ..) Also, to anyone who's ever been in Colorado, Beau Jo's Pizza (Mountain Pi,) especially the location in Idaho Springs after a nice day of skiing.

    HOWEVER, after having Chicago Pizza (In Chicago) and New York Pizza (almost every year, in New York) as many times as I have, there just isn't much to compare. They are the best. I sure hope I don't start an East coast pizza war .. thats all I have to go by...

    -tG

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:45:38
    My childhood favorite Pizza was Godfathers (oddly .. not what I named

    We had a restraunt here called "Woggies" that was sort of themed after
    "The Godfather". Although I'm not particularly keen on the name, they did
    make good pizza. We went once, they had all you can eat pizza and pasta,
    and it was delicious, so we ordered pizza takeaway another time, not as
    good. It seemed they loaded up the small pizzas, but the takeaway ones
    not so much.

    Anyway, they closed down saying they were moving, but never reopened.

    This was some years ago, before the current drama.

    Andrew


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 14:05:54
    I get the sinking feeling that it's started getting worse. I drive
    along interstate 101 in San Jose to get to my office once a week, and
    this week noticed a couple of storefronts with painted over signs
    that a couple of weeks ago were businesses.

    It's one of those things that you see every day and don't pay
    attention, but I knew they had business names recently. One of them
    was an auto repair shop, while people still need to drive, people
    aren't driving anywhere near what they used to, and so need less
    service.

    I think that, even with a vaccine on the way, this is going to get worse before it gets better. In my state, Oregon, they've just done another 4 week freeze and it doesn't look like things are slowing down at all... we have a really wet winter, not snow but...

    I guess I'm *lucky* to be running at about 50%... which to me sucks, but... yea. I hope this changes for us business owners soon; but you seem like a level headed smart gent, I bet these hardships are gonna be here for another year; that usually turns out to 1.5 in American-government years.

    :shrug: What the hell else can we do?



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, November 21, 2020 14:06:49
    We got $1200 (or less, much less) in funding 9 months ago. According
    to our treasury secretary, who hasn't paid rent in many years, he was
    told that should last people "about 10 weeks".

    Don't want to go into details, but some of us didn't even get that.



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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to apam on Saturday, November 21, 2020 22:39:40
    We had a restraunt here called "Woggies" that was sort of themed after "The Godfather". Although I'm not particularly keen on the name, they did make good pizza. We went once, they had all you can eat pizza and pasta, and it was delicious, so we ordered pizza takeaway another time, not as good. It seemed they loaded up the small pizzas, but the takeaway ones
    not so much.
    Anyway, they closed down saying they were moving, but never reopened.

    This was some years ago, before the current drama.
    Andrew

    yeah Woggies is a weird name for a Pizza place :) But good pizza is good pizza, and too many around here pop up that are just aweful. They all taste pretty much the same as papa johns which I'm not a fan of. Godfathers is a chain, and from what I remember their cheese and doe was very unique, their toppings top notch .. I always enjoyed their deep dish pizza. All we have around here, it seems weekly, is a new burger and pizza joint, and they all taste the same and suck. But we are close enough to Chicago that I know have 2-3 Chicago Pizza places that have expanded from Illinois to here and their pizza is amazing -- but rather expensive of course. I guess my "go-to" here when we have a bunch of kids to feed is either Jets Pizza or Pizza Hut. I can tolerate those two .. but everything else is cardboard, too much sauce, and cheap cheese in a box.

    -tG

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to The Godfather on Saturday, November 21, 2020 20:06:00
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: The Godfather to paulie420 on Sat Nov 21 2020 06:29 pm

    HOWEVER, after having Chicago Pizza (In Chicago) and New York Pizza (almost every year, in New York) as many times as I have, there just isn't much to compare.

    Yeah, having a proper east coast pizza on the Jersey Shore opened my west coast eyes.
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  • From apam@21:1/126.1 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 15:18:44
    yeah Woggies is a weird name for a Pizza place :) But good pizza is
    good pizza,

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory
    term for italian (I assume that's the same there?) so yeah, I guess they
    got away with it as the area I live in (country queensland) is a little
    more supportive of those who dislike political correctness. I don't
    really see it flying in Melbourne or somewhere like that.

    .. I always enjoyed their deep dish pizza. All we have around here,
    it seems w
    eekly, is a new burger and pizza joint, and they all taste the same
    and suck. B

    We seem to have had a ton of new eateries (over the last few years, not so
    much this year obviously), it's a wonder they could all survive. A lot of
    them are the fancy pants burgers that cost a fortune, but you'd get
    better from your local fish and chip shop for half the price.

    I guess people had money to spend and eating at such places made them
    look good on facebook.

    ut we are close enough to Chicago that I know have 2-3 Chicago Pizza
    places that
    have expanded from Illinois to here and their pizza is amazing -- but

    I don't know about chicago pizza, it sounds quiet good. Here the trend
    has been "New york style pizza"

    Andrew


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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 08:46:24
    Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There's a local shop here in town called "Chicago Style Pizza" which as When we're in the mood for something a little more expensive and
    locally owned & operated that's what we opt for.

    That place is on the list of places I will try with my kid. He's dating a
    women in Hamilton and next time I pick him up or drop him off we're going to
    try it. (Has to be without my wife though as she's gotta eat gluten free)

    Shawn

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:25:00
    On 11-21-20 21:18, apam wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My main problem with dominos is the ever shrinking "large" size. They claim they didn't but even the boxes got smaller.

    I haven't tried for a while, I just find Dominoes a bit lacking in taste and texture. Pizza Hut isn't bad, especially for a chain store, but yeah my preference is a local pizza shop.

    They taste ok, but yeah, as you say much better from the pizza shop.

    Yep.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:27:00
    On 11-21-20 09:49, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There's a local shop here in town called "Chicago Style Pizza" which as you might guess, makes Chicago Style pizzas. It's a deep dish pizza
    where you have maybe one or two inches of cheese:

    Urk, cheese overload. I like cheese, but all good things in moderation! :)

    http://www.chicagostylepizza.ca/gallery/csp12.jpg

    When we're in the mood for something a little more expensive and
    locally owned & operated that's what we opt for.

    Hmm, the local shops here are often quite reasonably priced.

    They even appeared on a TV show on the Food Networked called "You Gotta Eat Here" and became SUPER busy after that.

    Great advertising!


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:29:00
    On 11-21-20 07:23, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I read about a campus in the US that tested out sewage testing and
    was able to isolate a COVID outbreak to a dorm building and stop the
    spread early. Sounds promising.

    It's very sensitive and can pick up viral shedding from someone who's recovered from COVID, so there's a lot of potential for false positives, but that's better than false negatives, because you can direct the testing towards areas with suspect samples.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:57:00
    On 11-22-20 15:18, apam wrote to The Godfather <=-

    yeah Woggies is a weird name for a Pizza place :) But good pizza is
    good pizza,

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a
    derogatory term for italian (I assume that's the same there?) so yeah,
    I guess they got away with it as the area I live in (country
    queensland) is a little more supportive of those who dislike political correctness. I don't really see it flying in Melbourne or somewhere
    like that.

    Actually in Melbourne, the community took ownership of the term "wog", and those of Italian or Greek backgrounds were proudly calling themselves "Wogs" when I was at uni. And in the 90s, there was even a stage play called "Wogs out of Work". :)


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  • From djatropine@21:1/157 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 00:20:23

    Speakeasies have mage a HUGE comeback. :D


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    Speakyeasie culture has had HUGE come-back. There are always tons of
    events going on :D


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 11:30:03
    HOWEVER, after having Chicago Pizza (In Chicago) and New York Pizza (almost every year, in New York) as many times as I have, there just
    isn't much to compare. They are the best. I sure hope I don't start an East coast pizza war .. thats all I have to go by...

    I assume that about the only thing more likely to be argued about in the
    pizza world is whether or not it's reasonable to put pineapple on a
    non-dessert pizza.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 11:37:18
    pizza, and too many around here pop up that are just aweful. They all taste pretty much the same as papa johns which I'm not a fan of.

    Huh. I thought Papa Johns was decent. Though it's been a while since I ate there (obviously not really possible at the moment), and I felt kinda... not great about eating there due to non-food reasons (which I am very much _not_ discussing here).

    kids to feed is either Jets Pizza or Pizza Hut. I can tolerate those

    I liked Jet's Pizza when I lived in Minnesota, and thought it was a regional chain unique to that area (but, eh, it's been a while since I lived in Minnesota or ate Jet's Pizza).

    Though I think I might have trashy taste in pizza, since I grew up eating Little Caesar's.

    I'd also still eat frozen pizzas, though generally I'd end up grating half a block of cheese onto the top of them.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:38:00
    Here, Dominos is OK, but I'm with Nigel, I much prefer the local family run pizza shop. Generally get a much better pizza that way. :)

    We used to have a good local pizza, but the A team that ran it split up and the B team that was left then started employing a bunch of dare I say underage kids and it went to hell in a handbasket...

    Dominos and Jabba the Hut both seem to do a reasonable job.. but you know wherever and wherever you order one its going to be pretty much the same.

    Dprv whoops got the keys the other way around... Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:39:00
    and track in the arvo. Ran a decent 400m today in good conditions
    - 62.8 seconds. :)

    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:43:00
    can be done to identify any actual cases in the area. The last
    couple of Victorian outbreaks at the end of the second wave, the one

    Hey did you notice the SA outbreak may be a mutant with a faster incubation period? Some fringe concern at this stage that some of the vaccines may make it a tougher beast to deal with down the track depending on actual effectiveness of the vaccine and actual uptake I guess.. No point having the worlds best vaccine if only 10% of the population use it.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:54:00
    My complaint was more tailored to people who is using the "lives over economy" eslogan to shun other people who only wants to work. It gets

    The trouble I think is this is where political/economic and medical worlds collide.. and they don't seem to mix very well. If there is good gov't support then the economic shortfalls can be largely mitigated. You don't want a divided Govt sitting there pointing fingers at each other and ignoring medical advice either. And then they need to have good support out of the population.

    Each country has its own problems in those key areas which makes it more fraught with issue when you try to discuss on a global scale. If there is no or little or inadeqaute govt support then of course the economic issues will start to mount up right along side the medical ones...As already put forward neither of those camps is 100% right, but needs to find the middle ground. For some that seems to be a difficult thing to arrive at.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to djatropine on Sunday, November 22, 2020 21:39:00
    Lockdowns don't work.

    Well they only work if you can convince the low grade morons to tow the line rather than blindly going around doing their regular thing. Like everything though they're not a silver bullet.. so mileage will vary

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 21:56:00
    yeah Woggies is a weird name for a Pizza place :) But good pizza is good

    It makes more sense if you know, that back in the enlightened 70's we used to call Greeks, Wogs.. bubble, or bubble n squeek didn't really run here.. We had wogs, skips and dagos..

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 21:57:00
    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory

    Regional thing perhaps, but I only know wog in relation to Greek... not the Eye-talians.. :)

    Spec


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 06:51:24
    I assume that about the only thing more likely to be argued about in the pizza world is whether or not it's reasonable to put pineapple on a non-dessert pizza.

    Lol! Or Sardines .. bluck (or however you spell that non-word). I'm not a fan of the pineapple on the pizza but it's not horrible with ham. I just think that things that aren't meant to taste sweet, shoudn't, and vice versa :) Let the politics of pizza begin!

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 06:57:44
    Huh. I thought Papa Johns was decent. Though it's been a while since I atethere (obviously not really possible at the moment), and I felt kinda... notgreat about eating there due to non-food reasons (which I am very much _not_discussing here).

    Papa Johns is kind of like Chick Fil-a .. every corporate meeting, school sponsored event, etc.. had one of the two. It's hard to look at either restaurant and really care to eat at one. But I'm sure I could have chosen a better crappy pizza place as an example then Papa Johns such as ....

    Though I think I might have trashy taste in pizza, since I grew up eating Little Caesar's.

    lol! Kidding. I think many kids grew up on that stuff. Chuckie Cheese is another intolerable for parents, but the price is right. That goodness for the personal pan pizza being introduced when I was a child .. it allowed my mom to take me to better places and just order a mini to go.

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:00:50
    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory term for italian (I assume that's the same there?) so yeah, I guess they got away with it as the area I live in (country queensland) is a little more supportive of those who dislike political correctness. I don't
    really see it flying in Melbourne or somewhere like that.


    Not that I'm aware of. One similar, that I wouldn't repeat, but no I had not heard the word 'Wog' used in any circle I've been within, in the US. Thats wild that they chose that name, but if you live in a place that slightly proud of political incorrectness, I guess it makes more sense (?) lol! Thats crazy they called it that knowing the meaning behind the word now (wiki'ed it ...)

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:03:58
    Yeah, having a proper east coast pizza on the Jersey Shore opened my
    west coast
    eyes.

    Right? Great pizza. They say it's the water and I believe them. There are even bagel places out here that try to replicate a New York bagel .. they just can't get the dough right, ever. I do miss the west and the west coast for Mexican food though, the best I've ever had. Here in Indiana they throw pizza sauce on burrito and call it spicy. Uhg. We did have a Chewy's open here, which is a non so good chain that serves Southwestern style Mexican food .. so I can at least eat there if not in the mood to make the food from scratch.

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Spectre on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:07:59
    It makes more sense if you know, that back in the enlightened 70's we
    used tocall Greeks, Wogs.. bubble, or bubble n squeek didn't really run here.. Wehad wogs, skips and dagos..

    Spec

    Spec, I'm 49, and did experience the crappy 70's lol! I never heard those words in the states. How wierd. I suppose having lived in a different part of the states may have been the reason? Now .. I did used to hear some rather racist terms used to define races (growing up) but was too young to really understand their meanings. Wog, skips and dagos was never any of those .. wierd. I'll be sure to never have those words within my vocabulary for sure, unless referring to dragons or skipping while talking to my kids.

    -tG

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:51:52
    On 22 Nov 2020, apam said the following...

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory term for italian (I assume that's the same there?) so yeah, I guess they got away with it as the area I live in (country queensland) is a little more supportive of those who dislike political correctness. I don't
    really see it flying in Melbourne or somewhere like that.

    Hmm, I'm not familiar with the term "Wog". At least I've never heard that around here. Replace the g with a p and I've heard that used to refer to Italians, but usually in more of a "slang" sense rather than a derogatory term. Kind if like "Canuck" for a Canadian.


    Jay

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:58:52
    On 22 Nov 2020, Adept said the following...

    I assume that about the only thing more likely to be argued about in the pizza world is whether or not it's reasonable to put pineapple on a non-dessert pizza.

    Pineapple absolutely belongs on pizza, dessert or otherwise.

    Speaking of dessert pizzas, one thing I really miss is Pizza Hut's dessert pizzas. Especially when they had the all-you-can-eat pizza buffet during their heyday when it was a full sit-in family restaurant. I remember going with my aunt & uncle when I was young and would eat way too much pizza but still always manage to have room for one or two slices of the apple or cherry dessert pizza.

    They also had a make your own sundae bar, but I'd usually just put some of the ice cream directly on the hot slice if apple pizza.

    It's 7:58am and now I want pizza... ;)


    Jay

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 13:16:38
    Lol! Or Sardines .. bluck (or however you spell that non-word). I'm

    I believe it was, "Blech!" in Peanuts, so because I also believe in the Great Pumpkin (in a Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus sort of sense), I'll take that as the spelling. I might be not getting enough 'e's, though.

    I just think that things that aren't meant to taste sweet, shoudn't, and vice versa :) Let the politics of pizza begin!

    Yeah, I'm similar. Pineapple on pizza is something that I find to just be inherently wrong (unless it's a dessert pizza). I will still _eat_ pizza with pineapple on it (though not ham, because vegetarian and all), but I will comment on the wrongness of it while doing so.

    And I'd still prefer it without.

    Kind of like harder cookies with nuts -- it's definitely worse, but not so
    bad as to avoid eating it, unlike whenever people put coconut fibers on
    things and pretend they didn't just do the equivalent of dusting with sawdust.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 13:19:20
    Little Caesar's.
    lol! Kidding. I think many kids grew up on that stuff. Chuckie Cheese is another intolerable for parents, but the price is right. That

    Hmm. Chuck E Cheese pizza really would be in the "terrible" category for me. Still pizza, so I'd still eat it, but there are a variety of cheap frozen pizzas that I'd probably find equivalent.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 13:25:09
    Pineapple absolutely belongs on pizza, dessert or otherwise.

    Pineapple belongs on a grill or wrapped in aluminium foil and tossed in a
    fire, after having been fully seasoned with cinnamon and sugar.

    dessert pizzas. Especially when they had the all-you-can-eat pizza
    buffet during their heyday when it was a full sit-in family restaurant.

    What's weird is that I ate at that sort of Pizza Hut back in January, so it's not like it's that far gone (and, for all I know, is still a possible thing
    to do given the near-complete lack of state-wide pandemic rules there).

    But it's kinda sad at this point, as various things have happened that make a "very similar" experience impossible, even assuming people go back to pre-pandemic behavior.

    But I think those topics are for a more Avon-style update post.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 08:52:53
    On 22 Nov 2020, Adept said the following...

    Pineapple belongs on a grill or wrapped in aluminium foil and tossed in a fire, after having been fully seasoned with cinnamon and sugar.

    That does sound really good actually.

    What's weird is that I ate at that sort of Pizza Hut back in January, so it'snot like it's that far gone

    All of the Pizza Huts here are going the way of Little Caesars. They're all in strip plazas and have no eat in area. It's still good for what it is, but I really do miss their dessert pizzas.


    Jay

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Godfather on Monday, November 23, 2020 01:32:00
    here.. Wehad wogs, skips and dagos..

    Spec, I'm 49, and did experience the crappy 70's lol! I never heard
    those words in the states. How wierd. I suppose having lived in a

    Chuckle, you're just a kiddie :) That'd be because they're Australian, Wogs were Greek, Skips the Aussies (white fellas anyway), and the Italians the Dagoes.. I won't enter into what we were calling Native Australians... :)

    Those were the days, Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Monday, November 23, 2020 01:49:00
    Actually in Melbourne, the community took ownership of the term "wog", and those of Italian or Greek backgrounds were proudly calling themselves "Wogs" when I was at uni. And in the 90s, there was even a stage

    By the time I hit high school, there was a team in a open volleyball competition that called itself WOG Kings... claiming that WOG stood for Warriors of Greece. ;)

    Spec


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to paulie420 on Sunday, November 22, 2020 08:23:21
    paulie420 wrote to Blue White <=-

    This gal I met a few months ago. We met during an open part of this
    summer and decided that one new person that you'd see multiple times
    while things aren't completely normal was well worth the risk involved.

    Thanks, we had a good fun newly dating couple Friday eve. :P Hooray for human contact.

    That is pretty awesome. The most human contact I have had recently would
    be when the pretty lady up the street came by while I was mowing grass to
    warn me there'd been prowlers in the area. :)

    Hope the weather is good for your hike. Sounds like fun!

    Yep, John and I are fixin to get outta here and into the woods. He's pretty pumped, but I just know that we're gonna get rained on pretty
    good.

    I also decided to eat some dispensary breakfast so... yea. I'll either
    be weirded out or enjoy nature a little more than normal - I'm into it.
    :P Lets roll, Big John!

    LOL, well, at least maybe you won't notice the rain. :)




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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 08:46:46
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to paulie420 <=-

    A little compassion goes a long way. I've been trying to impress on my daughter when someone does something that makes you mad or offends you that everyone is going through stressful times, and reminds her that stress brings out the worst in people some times. But it passes.

    That is a good lesson. I feel like, with social media, somehow people have forgotten that they don't always have to feel something about everything
    they see or read. Like, it is OK not to react.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:18:46
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    My county just announced a lockdown from 10pm to 5am. I didn't know
    viruses could tell time.

    Here in Kentucky the virus is afraid of protesters, too, so apparently they
    can also experience some emotions. It is also afraid to hand out at horse betting parlors... apparently too many people touching the machines scares
    it away... but loves hanging out at mom-and-pop stores and restaurants. It
    is also super religious and loves going to church.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:19:14
    apam wrote to The Godfather <=-

    yeah Woggies is a weird name for a Pizza place :) But good pizza is
    good pizza,

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a
    derogatory term for italian (I assume that's the same there?) so yeah,
    I guess they got away with it as the area I live in (country
    queensland) is a little more supportive of those who dislike political correctness. I don't really see it flying in Melbourne or somewhere
    like that.

    Was it run by Italians? I have never heard that term used here before.

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  • From djatropine@21:1/157 to Spectre on Sunday, November 22, 2020 11:52:21

    Well they only work if you can convince the low grade morons to tow the line rather than blindly going around doing their regular thing. Like everything though they're not a silver bullet.. so mileage will vary


    It's great for individuals to make their own decisions.

    They don't work on my turf.

    The more restrictions = More pissed off people.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 08:29:00
    The Godfather wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Right? Great pizza. They say it's the water and I believe them. There are even bagel places out here that try to replicate a New York bagel
    .. they just can't get the dough right, ever.

    I do miss the west and
    the west coast for Mexican food though, the best I've ever had.

    I took a trip through the southwest about 10 years ago, and great
    mexican food seemed to alternate adjacent states. California was
    good. Nevada bad. New Mexico great, Arizona bad.

    That was fun - flew into Las Vegas, spent 3 days on the strip, rented
    a Crown Vic, drove through Nevada, over the Hoover dam, up to the
    Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then through New Mexico to
    Albaquerque and Taos, then a high speed burn back to Las Vegas.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:13:00
    Vk3jed wrote to apam <=-

    Actually in Melbourne, the community took ownership of the term "wog",
    and those of Italian or Greek backgrounds were proudly calling
    themselves "Wogs" when I was at uni. And in the 90s, there was even a stage play called "Wogs out of Work". :)

    I watched "Lawrence of Arabia" a few weeks back, and I think "wog" was
    the derogatory term the army used for Arabians.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:16:00
    Adept wrote to The Godfather <=-

    Though I think I might have trashy taste in pizza, since I grew up
    eating Little Caesar's.

    Yeah, Domino's was cheap and greasy, but it came to you hot with
    their "under 30 minutes" rule. I was in the dorms at college when
    they first started showing up, and being able to get a large pizza
    delivered hot for significantly less than what a "real" pizza cost
    (and delivered faster!) was eye-opening.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:18:00
    Warpslide wrote to Adept <=-

    It's 7:58am and now I want pizza... ;)

    I always make sure to keep one slice in reserve, to have for
    breakfast the next day. Cold pizza with a piping-hot cup of coffee.
    Breakast of Champions.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:24:00
    Adept wrote to The Godfather <=-

    Hmm. Chuck E Cheese pizza really would be in the "terrible" category
    for me.

    Yeah, but being able to take a kid there, let them run around and
    have fun, win some tickets on cheap games, and trade them in for
    some little prize makes up for the bad pizza.

    I used to take my son there when he was young, and tried their salad
    bar - that was pretty bad. :(

    They've filed for bankrupcy protection, don't think anyone's going to
    let their kid into a ball pit any time soon. Not that they should
    have.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 09:26:00
    Warpslide wrote to Adept <=-

    All of the Pizza Huts here are going the way of Little Caesars.
    They're all in strip plazas and have no eat in area. It's still good
    for what it is, but I really do miss their dessert pizzas.

    All of the fast food places are showing concepts of smaller locations with outdoor seating and multi-lane drive throughs as the look of the
    future. We'll be using our cars as eat-in areas from now on, I
    presume.

    I should buy stock in the company that makes ScotchGard.



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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 12:39:25
    All of the fast food places are showing concepts of smaller locations with outdoor seating and multi-lane drive throughs as the look of the
    future. We'll be using our cars as eat-in areas from now on, I
    presume.

    I second this. I think we'll see an evolution of resturants which focus more on Delivery and Takeout. Similar to the "ghost kitchens" in SF which operate out of warehouses and only accept orders via Doordash and UberEats. Its not a bad concept, or a bad thing if you ask me. There will also be fine dining as an option for a fancy meal out.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to The Godfather on Sunday, November 22, 2020 07:53:39
    It makes more sense if you know, that back in the enlightened 70's we used tocall Greeks, Wogs.. bubble, or bubble n squeek didn't really here.. Wehad wogs, skips and dagos..

    Spec

    Spec, I'm 49, and did experience the crappy 70's lol! I never heard thosewords in the states. How wierd. I suppose having lived in a different part ofthe states may have been the reason? Now .. I did used to hear some ratherracist terms used to define races (growing up) but
    was too young to reallyunderstand their meanings. Wog, skips and dagos
    was never any of those ..wierd. I'll be sure to never have those words within my vocabulary for sure,unless referring to dragons or skipping while talking to my kids.

    Dayum, tG - I thought I was old. :P Kidding papa!!! I haven't heard most of the words listed by Spec - OR YOU. :P Lol... and I've lived all around the United States; New York, Ohio, California, Texas, Arizona and Oregon. :shrug:

    :P



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Sunday, November 22, 2020 12:59:20
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN(21:4/122)


    That was fun - flew into Las Vegas, spent 3 days on the strip, rented
    a Crown Vic, drove through Nevada, over the Hoover dam, up to the
    Im thinking about flying into Vegas to see Morrissey play live.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 15:26:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to The Godfather <=-

    I took a trip through the southwest about 10 years ago, and
    great mexican food seemed to alternate adjacent states. California
    was good. Nevada bad. New Mexico great, Arizona bad.

    That was fun - flew into Las Vegas, spent 3 days on the strip,
    rented a Crown Vic, drove through Nevada, over the Hoover dam, up
    to the Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then through New Mexico
    to Albaquerque and Taos, then a high speed burn back to Las Vegas.

    Sounds like a good time.

    Was there any Fear and Loathing involved? ;-)



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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:12:06
    I took a trip through the southwest about 10 years ago, and great
    mexican food seemed to alternate adjacent states. California was
    good. Nevada bad. New Mexico great, Arizona bad.

    I couldn't agree with you more!!! New Mexico and Colorado are my favorites. Arizona was horrible -- very dry.
    Nevada I never had thought of as to having good mexican food. I associate them with great buffets :)

    That was fun - flew into Las Vegas, spent 3 days on the strip, rented
    a Crown Vic, drove through Nevada, over the Hoover dam, up to the
    Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then through New Mexico to
    Albaquerque and Taos, then a high speed burn back to Las Vegas.

    That sounds like a fun road trip. Mine were not nearly as adventurous -- your's could be a movie if all stories told :0

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to paulie420 on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:16:04
    Dayum, tG - I thought I was old. :P Kidding papa!!! I haven't heard most of the words listed by Spec - OR YOU. :P Lol... and I've lived all
    around the United States; New York, Ohio, California, Texas, Arizona and Oregon. :shrug:

    Oh you've heard them, I just wont say them. They are in reference to Hispanic, Black, and Polish people. I just never got it as a child, but back in the day they had joke books you could rent at libraries that were "jokes for adults" that had rather racial jokes within them. For instance the typical "How to you get a .. XYZ out of a tree .. wave." The XYZ was always associate with a "stupid" or handicap person, but at a young age perceived as just a person to stupid to realize they only had one hand holding them onto the tree -- so of course we laughed -- without knowing with the racial or disability XYZ term even meant.

    Those days are long gone and we've moved much futher into civility and respect within our nation. Proud to be here.

    -tG

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 18:06:38
    On 22 Nov 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    We'll be using our cars as eat-in areas from now on, I presume.

    A&W should bring back car service! https://bit.ly/335YYty

    I should buy stock in the company that makes ScotchGard.

    That's why I have happy I have leather seats in my car. I'm due for a good vacuuming though, one should not eat everything bagels while driving...


    Jay

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  • From HusTler@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:49:04
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Warpslide on Sun Nov 22 2020 09:26 am

    future. We'll be using our cars as eat-in areas from now on, I
    presume.

    I should buy stock in the company that makes ScotchGard.

    I believe that would be the 3M company.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Spectre on Monday, November 23, 2020 12:44:00
    Spectre wrote to apam <=-

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory

    Regional thing perhaps, but I only know wog in relation to Greek... not the Eye-talians.. :)

    I'm probably mistaken, wouldn't be the first time for that :)

    Though it is odd calling an italian restraunt "Woggies" unless the owners were greek I guess?

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:23:31
    I always make sure to keep one slice in reserve, to have for
    breakfast the next day. Cold pizza with a piping-hot cup of coffee.
    Breakast of Champions.

    Disgusting. Lol. :P Yuck... omg. Coffee... with the cheese? And the bread - in the micro - no.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:51:00
    Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Like, it is OK not to react.

    It doesn't matter what you think it is. It still is, regardless.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:55:00
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Was there any Fear and Loathing involved? ;-)

    Step on the gas, this is BAT COUNTRY!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:59:00
    Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That's why I have happy I have leather seats in my car. I'm due for a good vacuuming though, one should not eat everything bagels while driving...

    I have cloth seats as I needed to get a car that day, there wasn't a
    leather model available, and leather included a bunch of extras I
    didn't want. I ScotchGarded them as soon as I got the car. I told
    myself as soon as I stained them, I'd buy leather seat covers.

    After 6 years and 140,000 miles, stains still come out. I bought a
    portable carpet cleaner and went over the carpets and the seats, and
    they look like new.

    I do miss a leather-wrapped steering wheel, though.



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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Vk3jed on Monday, November 23, 2020 10:52:04
    Vk3jed wrote to apam <=-

    I haven't tried for a while, I just find Dominoes a bit lacking in
    taste and texture. Pizza Hut isn't bad, especially for a chain store,
    but yeah my preference is a local pizza shop.

    We order from Papa John's since my favorite local shop doesn't offer
    gluten free for Andrea. We've tried all the chains that offer GF and
    PJ's is the best for her and with the deals / coupon codes the price
    is okay too.

    Shawn

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, November 23, 2020 09:23:38
    On 22 Nov 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    I have cloth seats as I needed to get a car that day, there wasn't a
    leather model available, and leather included a bunch of extras I
    didn't want.

    I hear you. I wasn't seeking out leather seats, but when I needed a new vehicle this one happened to be available. An off lease with low kilometres and the price was right, so why not. This is my first vehicle with heated seats as well, quite nice in the winter.

    I ScotchGarded them as soon as I got the car.

    After 6 years and 140,000 miles, stains still come out. I bought a
    portable carpet cleaner and went over the carpets and the seats, and
    they look like new.

    Hmm, we paid an arm and a leg to scotch guard our couch when we got it. It seems to work for the most part, but you can still see where SOMEBODY dropped some cranberry sauce on it... *guilty look*

    I should maybe try the carpet cleaner on it.


    Jay

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, November 23, 2020 08:33:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Was there any Fear and Loathing involved? ;-)

    Step on the gas, this is BAT COUNTRY!

    Haha, love it! I'm overdue for a re-watching. Looks like it's
    available on Amazon Prime. :-)




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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, November 23, 2020 18:54:48
    Yeah, but being able to take a kid there, let them run around and
    have fun, win some tickets on cheap games, and trade them in for
    some little prize makes up for the bad pizza.

    I went there as an adult with my family, for my own birthday, so, yeah, I can see the value.

    To be fair, I think we mostly wound up giving the tickets away to the nearest kid.

    But it's fun to play the variety of games that make no sense as home video games.

    (Though on that note, I miss playing Killer Queen, too.)

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to paulie420 on Monday, November 23, 2020 19:56:01
    around the United States; New York, Ohio, California, Texas, Arizona and Oregon. :shrug:

    That's 158 electoral votes! (If I counted correctly; I'm not about to double check)

    I'm only at 75, but I've only lived in three US states.

    ...come to think of it, I only need one more German state to have lived in an equal number of German states as US states.

    ...this is not a goal.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Monday, November 23, 2020 07:35:00
    Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    SOMEBODY dropped some cranberry sauce on it... *guilty look*

    I should maybe try the carpet cleaner on it.

    They work great, but depends on the fabric. We have a microfiber
    chair that had a velvet-like pile that the stain came out, but the
    pile stayed smoother than it was. I'm tempted to brush it lightly
    like you do with suede to bring the nap back after cleaning.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Monday, November 23, 2020 14:20:25
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Adept to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 23 2020 06:54 pm

    I went there as an adult with my family, for my own birthday, so, yeah, I can see the value.

    Pictures of you on the throne with the inflatable crown or IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. :)
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to The Godfather on Monday, November 23, 2020 15:36:58
    The Godfather wrote to apam <=-

    Not that I'm aware of. One similar, that I wouldn't repeat, but no I
    had not heard the word 'Wog' used in any circle I've been within, in
    the US. Thats wild that they chose that name, but if you live in a
    place that slightly proud of political incorrectness, I guess it makes more sense (?) lol! Thats crazy they called it that knowing the
    meaning behind the word now (wiki'ed it ...)

    I think here the word used to be 'wop' ('p' instead of 'g') but the only
    place I have ever heard that word is in historical fiction and old movies.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Monday, November 23, 2020 15:52:23
    Adept wrote to Warpslide <=-

    Pineapple belongs on a grill or wrapped in aluminium foil and tossed in
    a fire, after having been fully seasoned with cinnamon and sugar.

    I agree with the "tossing in a fire" bit, as that is all I could ever think them good for. :)

    I will eat ham that has been cooked with pineapple (or juice) and cinnamon,
    but I do not eat pineapple. It is not as bad as grapefruit or brocolli, but
    it is not too far behind.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to djatropine on Monday, November 23, 2020 15:58:07
    djatropine wrote to Spectre <=-

    The more restrictions = More pissed off people.

    Everyone seemed on board with the restrictions in my state right up until
    the protests started. The governor's "well, it's ok for them to do this-or-that but the rest of you need to keep doing what I say" stance pretty much brought that to an end. People who had been OK with not going to church or family gatherings or funerals started getting pissed off about it.

    It is really hard to convince people that things are really serious when
    you are letting one group break all the rules.



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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Blue White on Monday, November 23, 2020 20:52:56

    I think here the word used to be 'wop' ('p' instead of 'g') but the only place I have ever heard that word is in historical fiction and old
    movies.

    Yup, agreed, even in more modern movies, particularly mobster flicks. Just won't be the one to use the words .... but yes, there have been some rather interesting words used to define races that to date I haven't really understood the meaning behind, nor care to use. Peeps are peeps in general. Like "Honky," I have no clue why us white people are called that, but I'm sure there's some explanation Uncle Google would define. I just don't really care .. lol!

    -tG

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:27:00
    I watched "Lawrence of Arabia" a few weeks back, and I think "wog" was
    the derogatory term the army used for Arabians.

    It's been multipurpose. At some point in my grandparents generation it was also used for cold/flu... if you got sick you'd caught the wog.... my father used to use it in that context, but I've never come across it anywhere else. So I am only guessing it came from an earlier generation as he was an only child that tended to hang out with adults.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:11:00
    On 11-22-20 17:38, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We used to have a good local pizza, but the A team that ran it split up and the B team that was left then started employing a bunch of dare I
    say underage kids and it went to hell in a handbasket...

    That sucks. :( Well, the pizza shop near where I used to live in Laverton still makes a good pizza. I'm sometimes in the area for social functions, and grab a pizza before the long drive home. The shop's in a perfect location, near where I'm coming from (around the corner, literally!), and it's still early enough to enjoy.

    Dominos and Jabba the Hut both seem to do a reasonable job.. but you
    know wherever and wherever you order one its going to be pretty much
    the same.

    Dominos is OK, Pizza Hut is generally quite good, in my experience. In a sense, they are the "failsafe" alternatives - you know you're going to get something at least half decent. :)

    LOL @ "Jabba the Hut" :D

    Dprv whoops got the keys the other way around... Spec

    LOL


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:11:00
    On 11-22-20 17:39, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    and track in the arvo. Ran a decent 400m today in good conditions
    - 62.8 seconds. :)

    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:17:00
    On 11-22-20 17:43, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    can be done to identify any actual cases in the area. The last
    couple of Victorian outbreaks at the end of the second wave, the one

    Hey did you notice the SA outbreak may be a mutant with a faster incubation period? Some fringe concern at this stage that some of the

    I think they found out that it's not so different to the other strains going around. The dodgy info given to the contact tracers made it look a lot worse, and some of the recent cases from the cluster were actually close contacts who later became symptomatic after being put into isolation.

    vaccines may make it a tougher beast to deal with down the track
    depending on actual effectiveness of the vaccine and actual uptake I guess.. No point having the worlds best vaccine if only 10% of the population use it.

    Looks like I'll have to get it fairly early in the piece, because I'm planning on travelling interstate in May, and it's looking like the airlines are going to have a jab before you fly policy, certainly for international, possible for domestic too.

    If that doesn't get me, my involvement in emergency services might. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:18:00
    On 11-23-20 01:49, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    By the time I hit high school, there was a team in a open volleyball competition that called itself WOG Kings... claiming that WOG stood for Warriors of Greece. ;)

    Cool. There were a lot of "Proud Wogs" in the 80s. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:23:00
    On 11-22-20 09:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I watched "Lawrence of Arabia" a few weeks back, and I think "wog" was
    the derogatory term the army used for Arabians.

    Interesting, must have been from that era.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Tiny on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 19:24:00
    On 11-23-20 10:52, Tiny wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We order from Papa John's since my favorite local shop doesn't offer
    gluten free for Andrea. We've tried all the chains that offer GF and
    PJ's is the best for her and with the deals / coupon codes the price
    is okay too.

    OK, don't know that one.

    Shawn

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 20:10:00
    On 11-22-20 21:57, Spectre wrote to apam <=-

    Well, it was an italian restraunt that made pizza, a Wog is a derogatory

    Regional thing perhaps, but I only know wog in relation to Greek... not the Eye-talians.. :)

    Depends who you talk to. Both the Greek and Italian students at uni in the 80s reclaimed the term "wog". :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 20:20:00
    On 11-23-20 15:58, Blue White wrote to djatropine <=-

    Everyone seemed on board with the restrictions in my state right up
    until the protests started. The governor's "well, it's ok for them to
    do this-or-that but the rest of you need to keep doing what I say"
    stance pretty much brought that to an end. People who had been OK with not going to church or family gatherings or funerals started getting pissed off about it.

    At least here, they did fine protesters (for whatever cause), if they violated any social distancing or mask rules that were in place at the time.

    It is really hard to convince people that things are really serious
    when you are letting one group break all the rules.

    Agree, consistent enforcement does help compliance.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 20:22:00
    On 11-24-20 10:27, Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    It's been multipurpose. At some point in my grandparents generation it was also used for cold/flu... if you got sick you'd caught the wog....
    my father used to use it in that context, but I've never come across it anywhere else. So I am only guessing it came from an earlier generation
    as he was an only child that tended to hang out with adults.

    And that led to some funny wordplay when you say "Mum was in bed with a wog".
    D


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 07:36:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-


    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P

    I broke the 4 minute mark and was quite proud of it. That last hurdle
    was a bugger!



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 04:35:00
    and track in the arvo. Ran a decent 400m today in good conditions -

    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P

    Working up to it? :P


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 04:38:00
    And that led to some funny wordplay when you say "Mum was in bed with a wog". D

    Might be splitting hairs, but that would've been Mum is in bed with the wog. Otherwise yeah dad might be getting the fowling piece out for a reckoning...

    Spec


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 13:26:33
    At least here, they did fine protesters (for whatever cause), if they violated any social distancing or mask rules that were in place at the time.

    They may have in parts of the US but not in my state. Our governor
    actually threatened to fine stay-in-your-car churchgoers and masked-and-socially-distanced protesters who were making some 2A statement
    at the capitol. Later, when protests broke out that involved property destruction, no social distancing, and a lot of no mask/improper mask
    wearing, his reaction was that they were free to voice their freedom of
    speech.

    From that point on, any enforcement or threats thereof were very
    inconsistent, and our state starting having issues with our COVID numbers.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 20:30:47
    I went there as an adult with my family, for my own birthday, so, yeah can see the value.
    Pictures of you on the throne with the inflatable crown or IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. :)

    I'm glad it didn't happen. :)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, November 26, 2020 21:03:00
    On 11-24-20 07:36, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-


    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P

    I broke the 4 minute mark and was quite proud of it. That last hurdle
    was a bugger!

    Hmm, I don't follow. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, November 26, 2020 21:04:00
    On 11-25-20 04:35, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    and track in the arvo. Ran a decent 400m today in good conditions -

    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P

    Working up to it? :P

    Nope. I'm build for speed. You don't enter a dragster in Bathurst for a reason. :P


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, November 26, 2020 21:05:00
    On 11-25-20 04:38, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And that led to some funny wordplay when you say "Mum was in bed with a wog". D

    Might be splitting hairs, but that would've been Mum is in bed with the wog. Otherwise yeah dad might be getting the fowling piece out for a reckoning...

    Same result if your Dad isn't Greek. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Thursday, November 26, 2020 21:06:00
    On 11-24-20 13:26, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    At least here, they did fine protesters (for whatever cause), if they violated any social distancing or mask rules that were in place at the time.

    They may have in parts of the US but not in my state. Our governor actually threatened to fine stay-in-your-car churchgoers and masked-and-socially-distanced protesters who were making some 2A
    statement at the capitol. Later, when protests broke out that involved property destruction, no social distancing, and a lot of no
    mask/improper mask wearing, his reaction was that they were free to
    voice their freedom of speech.

    From that point on, any enforcement or threats thereof were very inconsistent, and our state starting having issues with our COVID
    numbers.

    Now that's just ludicrous. :/


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Vk3jed on Thursday, November 26, 2020 08:31:40
    On 26 Nov 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

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    LOL


    Jay

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Thursday, November 26, 2020 09:03:02
    Vk3jed wrote to Blue White <=-

    From that point on, any enforcement or threats thereof were very inconsistent, and our state starting having issues with our COVID
    numbers.

    Now that's just ludicrous. :/

    Agreed.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Thursday, November 26, 2020 07:24:00
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I broke the 4 minute mark and was quite proud of it. That last hurdle
    was a bugger!

    Hmm, I don't follow. :)

    Hurdles are usually like 100m races. To run a 4 minute hurdle, imagine
    having to climb over each one individually. :)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Thursday, November 26, 2020 07:31:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    You good for a 4 minute mile yet?

    LOL no, not my distance. :P

    "Start Slow and Taper Down"

    ...A local running club slogan.

    I would love to get back into running again. I used to run a good
    30-40 miles a week, many pounds ago. I'm losing now, told myself when
    I got to a point when I thought my knees could take it I'd try again.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, November 26, 2020 19:44:16
    I would love to get back into running again. I used to run a good
    30-40 miles a week, many pounds ago. I'm losing now, told myself when
    I got to a point when I thought my knees could take it I'd try again.

    So that's about 10k steps every day, I think. (2k steps per mile, 5 miles a day, 7 days in a week, 35 miles in a week)

    Which definitely seems doable. I do something close to that, but at the brisk-walk pace, and in a dress while wearing a backpack, since I'm walking
    to and from work, or to a grocery store or something.

    It does tend to make me wonder, though -- do people enjoy the running? It's
    not something I've ever really done, as the closest I get is something akin
    to interval training.

    So, despite my high levels of walking briskly, I doubt I could jog for all
    that long. I don't even particularly understand how to keep an appropriate pace.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Thursday, November 26, 2020 12:57:38
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Adept to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 26 2020 07:44 pm

    It does tend to make me wonder, though -- do people enjoy the running? It's not something I've ever really done, as the closest I get is something akin to interval training.

    When I ran consistently, it was almost meditative. My body knew how to run without being told, which freed my mind up to do the thinking. I'd usually end up sorting out things that had been bothering me, which combined with a shot of endorphins made the experience enjoyable.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Warpslide on Friday, November 27, 2020 16:59:00
    On 11-26-20 08:31, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 26 Nov 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

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    LOL


    Jay

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    Haha. :D



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, November 27, 2020 17:02:00
    On 11-26-20 07:24, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I broke the 4 minute mark and was quite proud of it. That last hurdle
    was a bugger!

    Hmm, I don't follow. :)

    Hurdles are usually like 100m races. To run a 4 minute hurdle, imagine having to climb over each one individually. :)

    Haha, that will earn you a DQ. :D Has to be in a continuous motion, climbing doesn't cut it. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, November 27, 2020 17:06:00
    On 11-26-20 07:31, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    "Start Slow and Taper Down"

    ...A local running club slogan.

    Haha mine at the track are:

    1. Go around once, see all the sights, don't need to go around again. :P

    2. If I hear a bell, I've gone too far. :D

    I would love to get back into running again. I used to run a good
    30-40 miles a week, many pounds ago. I'm losing now, told myself when
    I got to a point when I thought my knees could take it I'd try again.

    Yeah I will never do that mileage (again), simply because it's counterproductive to my goals.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Friday, November 27, 2020 17:33:00
    On 11-26-20 19:44, Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    So that's about 10k steps every day, I think. (2k steps per mile, 5
    miles a day, 7 days in a week, 35 miles in a week)

    Which definitely seems doable. I do something close to that, but at the brisk-walk pace, and in a dress while wearing a backpack, since I'm walking to and from work, or to a grocery store or something.

    Many run far more than that. :) My weekly didtance when 100% fit is around 15km of training related running/walking and probably another 10-15km of incidental walking.

    It does tend to make me wonder, though -- do people enjoy the running? It's not something I've ever really done, as the closest I get is something akin to interval training.

    Some do. I'm not a fan of steady state cardio, primarily because while I am fit, I've never been efficient over longer distances. But I do really love sprints - for me nothing like unleasing that kind of power and for several seconds, going faster than anyone else in the stadium. :)

    So, despite my high levels of walking briskly, I doubt I could jog for
    all that long. I don't even particularly understand how to keep an appropriate pace.

    Because to cover any appreciable distance in a "useful" time requires me to run at my aerobic limits, which means a degree of lactic fatigue, I am very good at pacing over everything from 200m to 5km+ Anything shorter than 200m doesn't require any form of pacing at all, it's all out. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, November 27, 2020 17:51:00
    On 11-26-20 12:57, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Adept <=-

    When I ran consistently, it was almost meditative. My body knew how to
    run without being told, which freed my mind up to do the thinking. I'd usually end up sorting out things that had been bothering me, which combined with a shot of endorphins made the experience enjoyable.

    Distance for me is an exercise in balancing speed against my aerobic limits. I did once enter a meditative state about 10km into a half marathon, which actually was a nice state to be in, but that's quite rare for me. I'm more an adrenaline loving speed junkie - give me sprints anyday. :D


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to apam on Friday, November 27, 2020 11:16:27
    Hi

    Nearly the weekend, has anyone got any exciting plans?

    We're having dominos pizza tonight (wife won a voucher). Which will be good..

    Been doing bits on and off on my bbs software, added icons in windows
    :D
    also a new powered by windows ansi that gets installed with the
    windows
    installer (so the windows version doesn't say powered by debian)..

    Other than BBS stuff, haven't been up to much. My wife doesn't have a
    job
    to go back to when her leave runs out, which she's a bit upset about,
    she
    really liked her job.

    I'm installing NetBSD 9.1 on a spare computer, just for something to
    do.

    Not much else is new. Found a bug in magiterm, well a couple actually.
    One is the ESC[J doesn't work correctly, and the other looks like I
    broke
    scroll back functionality.

    I've fixed the ESC[J bug, but haven't looked at scroll back yet.
    hoping
    it's something simple.

    Andrew

    I'm working on a very silly project: connect a modem to my VMware server, connect the serial port to which the modem is connected to a VM that's running Linux and then connect the serial port in the VM to a virtualized Amiga which runs this BBS. I got the modem part working in Linux but getting FS-UAE to work with the Linux serial port and connecting that to the serial port driver (serial.device) is another matter.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, November 27, 2020 18:02:49
    When I ran consistently, it was almost meditative. My body knew how to
    run without being told, which freed my mind up to do the thinking. I'd usually end up sorting out things that had been bothering me, which combined with a shot of endorphins made the experience enjoyable.

    Ah, that does make sense. When doing my brisk walking, I tend to alternate between that sort of thinking and actively tracking how I'm feeling and changing pace depending on that information.

    But I think the more times I do a particular route, the more I tend to space out.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Vk3jed on Friday, November 27, 2020 18:23:21
    Many run far more than that. :) My weekly didtance when 100% fit is around 15km of training related running/walking and probably another 10-15km of incidental walking.

    This reminds me that this is one time when miles are more meaningful than kilometers.

    Since a mile was designed as being 1000 paces (so 2000 steps), thus the math
    is easy to convert from steps to miles.

    But 30km per week means 18 miles, which means 36k steps per week, which
    is probably a good amount for staying in good shape, but not something super time consuming.

    Which is probably how exercise should be for most people.

    But, yeah, some people do way more than that, and train for amazing things,
    or just get into incredible shape. I don't think I'll get there, but it's
    nice to have enough cardio (And low enough weight) to be able to join in a pickup game of some athletic thing and do okay.

    Because to cover any appreciable distance in a "useful" time requires me to run at my aerobic limits, which means a degree of lactic fatigue, I
    am very good at pacing over everything from 200m to 5km+ Anything

    Nice! Yeah, for me doing a 5k winds up being, "okay, I can definitely go faster, so I'll run for a while" followed by, "I need to breathe more before continuing to run".

    But, as you say:

    really love sprints - for me nothing like unleasing that kind of power
    and for several seconds, going faster than anyone else in the stadium. :)

    it's fun to go all out. Even if I was moderately fast at some point, I wasn't _that_ fast, but it's still fun and kind of freeing to just go at a fast
    speed for a while.

    But I think it's also interesting for me, because normally I'm carrying something, so there's something extra to just running.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Friday, November 27, 2020 09:43:00
    Working up to it? :P

    Nope. I'm build for speed. You don't enter a dragster in Bathurst for a reason. :P

    You'll have to work on your versatility then :) Besides a 4 minute mile is pretty much a flat sprint as I recall... rightly or wrongly.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, November 27, 2020 09:58:00
    Hurdles are usually like 100m races. To run a 4 minute hurdle, imagine having to climb over each one individually. :)

    How about a steeplechase in stead? :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:07:00
    It does tend to make me wonder, though -- do people enjoy the running?

    Only the masochists...

    So, despite my high levels of walking briskly, I doubt I could jog for all that long. I don't even particularly understand how to keep an appropriate pace.

    You might be suprised. Any activity done for long enough becomes a aerobic excercise, so your capacity may be better than you expect, you're using all the same muscle groups also. It would just be a matter of starting slow and seeing how far you can lift the pace without causing undue stress.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Spectre on Sunday, November 29, 2020 07:42:17
    You might be suprised. Any activity done for long enough becomes a aerobic excercise, so your capacity may be better than you expect,
    you're using all the same muscle groups also. It would just be a
    matter of starting slow and seeing how far you can lift the pace
    without causing undue stress.

    I suppose. It might also be that I go, "I can literally walk this quickly"
    then switch to walking or go at at faster pace than I can maintain for
    2000+ steps.

    So it's possible it just requires having patience to use the different method for a while until I get used enough to it to go at a faster pace.

    Which then it becomes more an issue with being willing/able to put in the different sort of training work, and that's frequently an issue for everyone,
    I assume.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:07:00
    On 11-27-20 09:43, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Working up to it? :P

    Nope. I'm build for speed. You don't enter a dragster in Bathurst for a reason. :P

    You'll have to work on your versatility then :) Besides a 4 minute
    mile is pretty much a flat sprint as I recall... rightly or wrongly.

    Not really, but it is very fast. And no, I'm not bult for the mile. Even a 6 minute mile would be a big gain (I have consistently run 6:22 in recent years).


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:19:00
    On 11-27-20 18:23, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Since a mile was designed as being 1000 paces (so 2000 steps), thus the math is easy to convert from steps to miles.

    Interesting, and that seems to pretty close for me off the top of my head. At what I call "measuring speed" (from its use in orienteering), I do 60 paces/120 steps per 100m, which is 965 paces/1930 steps / mile.

    But 30km per week means 18 miles, which means 36k steps per week, which
    is probably a good amount for staying in good shape, but not something super time consuming.

    Which is probably how exercise should be for most people.For many,
    incidental exercise can add up, if we let it. :)

    But, yeah, some people do way more than that, and train for amazing things, or just get into incredible shape. I don't think I'll get

    Guilty as charged. ;)

    there, but it's nice to have enough cardio (And low enough weight) to
    be able to join in a pickup game of some athletic thing and do okay.

    And enough strength to pull it off, etc. :)
    Nice! Yeah, for me doing a 5k winds up being, "okay, I can definitely
    go faster, so I'll run for a while" followed by, "I need to breathe
    more before continuing to run".

    I know my limits so well that I can run a continuous 5k, which takes around 25 minutes when fit for that distance.

    it's fun to go all out. Even if I was moderately fast at some point, I wasn't _that_ fast, but it's still fun and kind of freeing to just go
    at a fast speed for a while.

    Well, I was hopeless at primary school age, but promising as a teenager in high school. But today, I'm quite fast. I'm looking at potentially sub 13 seconds for 100m, once I get my Achilles sorted. Keep in mind I'm now 52, and that sort of time puts me into a class occupied by relatively few people in the state.

    But I think it's also interesting for me, because normally I'm carrying something, so there's something extra to just running.

    Try it as part of a team pushing and hauling a 300 pound cart. Now that is fun! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:31:00
    On 11-27-20 09:58, Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hurdles are usually like 100m races. To run a 4 minute hurdle, imagine having to climb over each one individually. :)

    How about a steeplechase in stead? :)

    Stepplechase looks like fun, except for too many 0s on the end of the distance.
    Good race distances in metres only have 3 digits with the first one less than 5, prefeably less than 3. :D Or even 2 digits are acceptable. ;)

    I do like the 400m hurdles though. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:37:00
    On 11-27-20 10:07, Spectre wrote to Adept <=-

    You might be suprised. Any activity done for long enough becomes a aerobic excercise, so your capacity may be better than you expect,
    you're using all the same muscle groups also. It would just be a
    matter of starting slow and seeing how far you can lift the pace
    without causing undue stress.

    Can always try the Couch to 5k program. There's several variants readily available on the Internet. The basic idea is using interval training (i.e. walk/run, making the run intervals longer and walk shorter as you progress). Good way to get started and based on sound principles.

    But yes, any exercise that requires more breathing and elevates heart rate for at least several minutes is aerobic. I spend most of my training and racing in the anaerobic regions - ATP/CP )alactic, awesome speed and power, but only for 10 or so seconds) and glycolosis (generatics lactic acid - pain city if kept up for too long - up to several minutes, still quite fast).


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:41:00
    On 11-29-20 07:42, Adept wrote to Spectre <=-

    I suppose. It might also be that I go, "I can literally walk this
    quickly" then switch to walking or go at at faster pace than I can maintain for 2000+ steps.

    And that's not a bad thing if you keep doing that cycle. That's the basis of interval training and it will get you faster. :)

    So it's possible it just requires having patience to use the different method for a while until I get used enough to it to go at a faster
    pace.

    For something with structure to follow, look at Couch 2 5k. There's several variants, but they all achieve more or less the same thing. :)

    Which then it becomes more an issue with being willing/able to put in
    the different sort of training work, and that's frequently an issue for everyone, I assume.

    That's a call each of us has to make. I put in the time needed for my chosen activity. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Monday, November 30, 2020 07:11:00
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hurdles are usually like 100m races. To run a 4 minute hurdle, imagine having to climb over each one individually. :)

    How about a steeplechase in stead? :)

    With a basset hound on leash.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Monday, November 30, 2020 07:12:00
    Spectre wrote to Adept <=-

    You might be suprised. Any activity done for long enough becomes a aerobic excercise, so your capacity may be better than you expect,
    you're using all the same muscle groups also. It would just be a
    matter of starting slow and seeing how far you can lift the pace
    without causing undue stress.

    True. I remember ny first run when I got serious about it; 5/8ths of a
    mile. That same year I ran 15 miles, round trip.

    Start small and add on, I always say. Well, I don't always say it, but
    it sounds good.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Vk3jed on Monday, November 30, 2020 11:22:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Adept <=-

    Since a mile was designed as being 1000 paces (so 2000 steps), thus the math is easy to convert from steps to miles.

    Interesting, and that seems to pretty close for me off the top of
    my head. At what I call "measuring speed" (from its use in
    orienteering), I do 60 paces/120 steps per 100m, which is 965
    paces/1930 steps / mile.

    I have always considered a pace to be the same as a step. One step
    (or one pace) is about 3 feet. Not sure how you guys are equating one
    pace to two steps...



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Vk3jed on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:16:44
    I know my limits so well that I can run a continuous 5k, which takes around 25 minutes when fit for that distance.

    I think that 25 minutes was about the time I did 6 or 7 years ago when trying
    a 5k. I imagine I was a bit lighter than I am now, and slightly better shape.

    Not that I especially timed it - I just did a 5k fun run where all my friends deserted me, and I decided it was reason enough to just get it done as
    quickly as possible.

    But I walked a lot of it -- just whenever I recovered enough I'd go back to something fairly fast with a full stride.

    So it's not like I was _slow_, I guess, just unable to keep a consistent
    speed above high walking pace. Or too impatient to do so.

    So your continuous pace for 25 minutes seems pretty impressive.

    in high school. But today, I'm quite fast. I'm looking at potentially sub 13 seconds for 100m, once I get my Achilles sorted. Keep in mind
    I'm now 52, and that sort of time puts me into a class occupied by relatively few people in the state.

    Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I don't really know times for things, but to get up to speed and have a high-enough top speed to get under 13 seconds
    seems pretty impressive, even if you were 25.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Vk3jed on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:20:43
    For something with structure to follow, look at Couch 2 5k. There's several variants, but they all achieve more or less the same thing. :)

    I suppose that would seem reasonable, especially as something to get into a different mindset, rather than the actual training (since I basically do two every day with my commute, so it'd just be trying to do them _faster_.)

    That's a call each of us has to make. I put in the time needed for my chosen activity. :)

    Yeah. To be fair, judging from the effort I put into things, my spare time productive hobby is making a daily ANSI graphic, so eh. :)

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Gamgee on Monday, November 30, 2020 19:46:18
    I have always considered a pace to be the same as a step. One step
    (or one pace) is about 3 feet. Not sure how you guys are equating one pace to two steps...

    "A pace is a unit of length consisting either of one normal walking step, or of a double step, returning to the same foot."

    "One thousand paces were described simply as mille passus or passuum, now
    known as a Roman mile; this is the origin of the English term "mile"."

    -from Pace (unit) on Wikipedia.

    To be fair, I don't really use "a pace" at _all_. I'm just aware of that connection to a mile, and it seems useful.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Gamgee on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 20:13:00
    On 11-30-20 11:22, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I have always considered a pace to be the same as a step. One step
    (or one pace) is about 3 feet. Not sure how you guys are equating one pace to two steps...

    Depends if you want to go half cycle or full cycle. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 20:29:00
    On 11-30-20 19:16, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I know my limits so well that I can run a continuous 5k, which takes around 25 minutes when fit for that distance.

    I think that 25 minutes was about the time I did 6 or 7 years ago when trying a 5k. I imagine I was a bit lighter than I am now, and slightly better shape.

    Only one way to find out. ;)

    Not that I especially timed it - I just did a 5k fun run where all my friends deserted me, and I decided it was reason enough to just get it done as quickly as possible.

    I see - deserted as in pulled out? or simply took off ahead? :)

    So it's not like I was _slow_, I guess, just unable to keep a
    consistent speed above high walking pace. Or too impatient to do so.

    Pacing is actually a skill that takes a bit of practice. Id you are more of a sprinter (like me), pacing gets even trickier, because 5k race pace feels like a slow jog at the start, but a tough slog by 4km into the race. :)

    So your continuous pace for 25 minutes seems pretty impressive.

    I'm in that space between those of "average" (un)fitness and the distance specialists. In the company I keep, there's quite a number I know my age, even older, who can easily run a sub 20 minute 5k. Actually met one in the local camera store (went there to buy a tripod mount for a phone) today. He's 50 and can run an 18 minute 5k. And one of the guys in my athletics club is in his early 60s and can run it in 19 minutes or better. So I'm nothing special over 5k. :) That said, I once did come third in my age group for a local 5k fun run. Everyone else must have had a more important race that day, because there's literally dozens of talented 5k runners around my age here that will leave me for dead - They generally won't line up against me in a sprint though (one or two exceptions). ;)

    in high school. But today, I'm quite fast. I'm looking at potentially sub 13 seconds for 100m, once I get my Achilles sorted. Keep in mind
    I'm now 52, and that sort of time puts me into a class occupied by relatively few people in the state.

    Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I don't really know times for things,
    but to get up to speed and have a high-enough top speed to get under 13 seconds seems pretty impressive, even if you were 25.

    Ran 13.26 last year in the 100m and 26.71 in the 200m. :) I have won bronze in Masters championships at state level and made finals at national level with those sort of times. :) Got a dodgy Achilles now, so I'm unable to fully test out the results of this past winter's training and strength work.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 20:35:00
    On 11-30-20 19:20, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For something with structure to follow, look at Couch 2 5k. There's several variants, but they all achieve more or less the same thing. :)

    I suppose that would seem reasonable, especially as something to get
    into a different mindset, rather than the actual training (since I basically do two every day with my commute, so it'd just be trying to
    do them _faster_.)

    Yeah the program adds the structure. :)

    That's a call each of us has to make. I put in the time needed for my chosen activity. :)

    Yeah. To be fair, judging from the effort I put into things, my spare
    time productive hobby is making a daily ANSI graphic, so eh. :)

    Some things I can't help with. They have to come from you. I represent probably a more extreme case, but when fully fit, I have:

    Monday gym (~40 mins)
    Tuesday Preham (~40 mins) track (60-90 mins) - and in summer I then spend up to 2 hours training for another sport!
    Wednesday gym (~40 mins)
    Thursday - basically same as Tuesday. :)
    Friday - Rest day
    Saturday - normally competition, and if time permits, my prehab workout.
    Sumday is a wildcard day, can be one or more of yoga, more track competition (for a multi day meet), training, or another sport (pro running or fire brigade comps).

    But as I said, I'm an extreme example with a lot of drive and focus. :) Besides, I'm addicted to speed (of the mph or m/S variety), and it's good for my head. :)


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Vk3jed on Thursday, December 03, 2020 19:49:19
    Not that I especially timed it - I just did a 5k fun run where all my friends deserted me, and I decided it was reason enough to just get i done as quickly as possible.

    I see - deserted as in pulled out? or simply took off ahead? :)

    Pulled out. I think it was supposed to be four people in total? Something
    like that, anyway, and everyone canceled. I think I go extra t-shirts or something and held them up, pretending that I was there with all the people
    who skipped out.

    I think all the other people were more likely to participate in a 5k where
    you had to drink a beer every kilometer, so I imagine the pace would've been significantly slower.

    To be fair, one of the people had completed an Ironman competition within a year or two of then, but they did it in 17 hours (the cutoff time), so not fast. (But also significantly more endurance than I have any interest in training for, even if my swimming abilities were somewhere above, "well, I _might_ not drown if thrown in a lake not particularly far from shore")

    more of a sprinter (like me), pacing gets even trickier, because 5k race pace feels like a slow jog at the start, but a tough slog by 4km into
    the race. :)

    That seems about right. Mind you, I fairly frequently wind up walking 10k on
    a trip while fully laden, so it's not like I have problems with exercising
    for a while. Just not running that distance.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Vk3jed on Thursday, December 03, 2020 19:55:54
    Some things I can't help with. They have to come from you. I represent

    Indeed. And, while I have some interest in running, I mostly just have
    interest in keeping up a decent level of physical activity.

    I'll probably wind up adding more yoga back in. In part because I now have a yoga mat again. I tried yoga on my (super hard) bed, and it didn't go particularly well.

    probably a more extreme case, but when fully fit, I have:

    Yeah, that's quite the regimen.

    And it does seem like you have more willpower on it than me, since I've never really been tempted by even the idea of a gym, aside from having access to sports facilities. It's hard to go swimming without something that holds a
    lot of water. It's hard to play volleyball without space and a net. And so on.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Friday, December 04, 2020 18:14:00
    On 12-03-20 19:49, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-
    I see - deserted as in pulled out? or simply took off ahead? :)

    Pulled out. I think it was supposed to be four people in total?
    Something like that, anyway, and everyone canceled. I think I go extra t-shirts or something and held them up, pretending that I was there
    with all the people who skipped out.

    Bummer that they pulled out. Sounds like you did score some merch. ;)

    I think all the other people were more likely to participate in a 5k
    where you had to drink a beer every kilometer, so I imagine the pace would've been significantly slower.


    Haha yeah there's a lot of people like that. :)

    To be fair, one of the people had completed an Ironman competition
    within a year or two of then, but they did it in 17 hours (the cutoff time), so not fast. (But also significantly more endurance than I have
    any interest in training for, even if my swimming abilities were
    somewhere above, "well, I _might_ not drown if thrown in a lake not particularly far from shore")

    At least they had a go. :) Yeah triathlons aren't my thing either. The swim leg will definitely get me.

    more of a sprinter (like me), pacing gets even trickier, because 5k race pace feels like a slow jog at the start, but a tough slog by 4km into
    the race. :)

    That seems about right. Mind you, I fairly frequently wind up walking
    10k on a trip while fully laden, so it's not like I have problems with exercising for a while. Just not running that distance.

    Yeah I just did a 10k easy hike today, as a matter of fact, so I'm the same there. My ability to run distance. And as I said, pacing is a real art that comes with practice. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Adept on Friday, December 04, 2020 18:41:00
    On 12-03-20 19:55, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Some things I can't help with. They have to come from you. I represent

    Indeed. And, while I have some interest in running, I mostly just have interest in keeping up a decent level of physical activity.

    Yeah it's a case of sorting what works for you, but the first rule of physical activity is "Do something you enjoy". :) That way, you'll want to do it more often.

    I'll probably wind up adding more yoga back in. In part because I now
    have a yoga mat again. I tried yoga on my (super hard) bed, and it
    didn't go particularly well.

    Yogs is awesome. I'm finally getting back into yoga this Sunday after COVID interrupted it. :)

    probably a more extreme case, but when fully fit, I have:

    Yeah, that's quite the regimen.

    Yeah not for everyone, but I love it. :)

    And it does seem like you have more willpower on it than me, since I've never really been tempted by even the idea of a gym, aside from having

    In my case, it's what it takes to achieve my goals. I want to be able to consistently break the 13 second/100m barrier in competition. You could say I'm addicted to speed. :D I want to be more competitive at national level, and to achieve that takes hard work and investment of time and money. It's a choice I've made and I don't regret in the slightest.

    I'm also deliberately pushing my limites to see what someone like me is capable of. I'm autistic and have the motor coordination issues that are quite common.
    There is literally no scientific or sports coaching literature for me to go by. While I do make use of mainstream services, I also do a lot of (mental) note taking on what works best. I also challenge myself with things that I know I'm not good at, such as throws, because these activities actually provide a lot of information about my sensory, perceptual and motor systems - information that I hope to be able to write about one day, in the hope that it may benefit others, in both every day, as well as to help encourage others to take up sport and get the benefits that I've enjoyed.

    access to sports facilities. It's hard to go swimming without something that holds a lot of water. It's hard to play volleyball without space
    and a net. And so on.

    True. There's a full spec track in town here, which is all I need, along with the gym, which is now purely to suport my sporting activities.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to All on Friday, December 04, 2020 06:49:00
    Today's move day for our office. We moved into a temporary space in
    June when our lease was up, and it took a long time for the tenant
    improvements in the new space.

    People's belongings are still in the boxes they moved into the temp
    space, and I don't know when we're going to be occupying the space -
    but this space has a real server room AC instead of a portable unit
    that needs the condensate tank dumped out once a week.

    At home, I've gotten Entware running on my DD-WRT router, attached my
    new 8TB drive, and gotten NFS working. It's mostly OK, but DD-WRT
    seems to fall over when copying too much data over the wire - it's
    seems to be in the neighborhood of 50 GB downloaded. The router needs
    a restart; not optimal, but I could work with it.

    Proxmox got a minor upgrade, and it can see the drive as CIFS or NFS.
    I'll figure out how to move the ISOs over to the network drive this
    weekend, and start playing with my first LXC container set up last
    night.

    I may end up putting the 8TB drive in my desktop and swapping the 2TB
    drive in my desktop out. All in the name of obsessive, compulsive bit-twiddling.

    Next week is going to be AWS online training and housekeeping -
    logging on to 100+ Linux VMs and changing them to static IPs. Blergh.





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  • From apam@21:1/182 to All on Friday, December 18, 2020 17:22:10
    Hey

    So it's friday. I bought a carton today, but no I'm not going to drink
    them all today - I'm on my fourth for today, as it's quiet hot, and the
    beer is cold.

    We went shopping today, braved the masses at Grand Central, Toowoomba's
    premier shopping center. Got a couple of XBox games, and my wife got some pandora charms. That's our christmas presents done :)

    We ended up getting a tree. it was $9 at the reject shop, bargain! I got
    some colourd lights from coles for $20 and the cool thing is they can be controlled by alexa or google home. That, and they look cool.

    This should have been our first christmas with our girls, but, it is not.
    So will be a quiet one as it's a bit of a sad time for my wife
    especially. Though, I am thankful we both have our health, and recognise
    that this year will be especially tough for those who have lost loved
    ones.

    It's strange how grief affects different people in differnt ways. And how
    one can some how harden oneself to it, I'm not sure if that's a good
    thing or not, if it is a disservice to those we lost if we are not as
    overcome by grief as in the past?

    Anyway, thats all a bit deep. I would wish everyone a merry christmas,
    but I am not religious, and it seems the christians have usurped this celebration, so I'll just wish you all a happy holidays instead.

    Take care, and I hope you can find things to celebrate despite the
    terrible year we have had.

    Andrew


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to apam on Friday, December 18, 2020 14:20:07
    So it's friday. I bought a carton today, but no I'm not going to drink

    A carton for me means a carton of cigarettes. Never heard of it being
    referred to booze.

    As for beer, I try to stick to the weekly recommended limit but sometimes its hard. Nothing like a cold crip beer after a stressful day of work (at home).
    I stopped smoking 6 years ago... One vice at a time.

    We went shopping today, braved the masses at Grand Central, Toowoomba's

    Pardon my ignorance. Is that in the States?

    We ended up getting a tree. it was $9 at the reject shop, bargain! I got

    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks for mine. That is, 40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US dollars afterall...

    especially. Though, I am thankful we both have our health, and recognise

    Yes, and you're blessed to have your girls even if you can't see them this Christmas. Still must be hard not to see them. Can't pretend to know what
    it's like. Mine is just 6 but feel really lucky to have her in my life.

    It's strange how grief affects different people in differnt ways. And how one can some how harden oneself to it, I'm not sure if that's a good
    thing or not, if it is a disservice to those we lost if we are not as overcome by grief as in the past?

    True, we all react in different ways. I guess there are no right or wrong ways.. But, I don't think one should feel bad for not feeling said grief... I think anyone who truly loves you would only wish for you to be happy.

    but I am not religious, and it seems the christians have usurped this celebration, so I'll just wish you all a happy holidays instead.

    Christians... But also big box stores... Seems like it's more commercial than religious.

    That said, and not being religious myself, I do feel like it's a special
    time. I have good memories of it, with family gatherings, Christmas lights, laughter, etc. But I realize it's not necessarily the same for everyone... Christmas can also be a stressful time...

    Happy holidays to you too. I enjoyed reading your message.

    JF

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to JF on Saturday, December 19, 2020 13:48:07
    A carton for me means a carton of cigarettes. Never heard of it being referred to booze.

    Yeah, a carton, slab, case (although I don't hear case often)

    Pardon my ignorance. Is that in the States?

    No, it's in Queensland, Australia.

    Now I feel like I got ripped off, paying close to 40 bucks for mine.
    That is,
    40 Canadian dollars, so yea, may 9 US dollars afterall...

    It wasn't a real tree, just a fake one.

    Yes, and you're blessed to have your girls even if you can't see them
    this
    Christmas. Still must be hard not to see them. Can't pretend to know
    what
    it's like. Mine is just 6 but feel really lucky to have her in my
    life.

    Our girls were still-born earlier this year, they were twins and we lost
    them at 22 weeks. It's been really hard especially for my wife, and this
    time is really about the kids.

    Andrew


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to apam on Saturday, December 19, 2020 08:55:58
    Our girls were still-born earlier this year, they were twins and we lost them at 22 weeks. It's been really hard especially for my wife, and this

    Really sorry to hear that. It must be really hard. I apologize for my last message, I misconstrued your previous message.

    I hope you find a bit of peace and comfort in these difficult times.

    JF

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to JF on Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:18:11
    Really sorry to hear that. It must be really hard. I apologize for my
    last
    message, I misconstrued your previous message.

    It's ok, you didn't know :)

    Andrew


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Monday, December 21, 2020 13:02:47
    On 18 Dec 2020 at 05:22p, apam pondered and said...

    So it's friday. I bought a carton today, but no I'm not going to drink them all today - I'm on my fourth for today, as it's quiet hot, and the beer is cold.

    This is my 'delayed' Friday reply on a Monday :)

    We went shopping today, braved the masses at Grand Central, Toowoomba's premier shopping center. Got a couple of XBox games, and my wife got some pandora charms. That's our christmas presents done :)

    Nice.. I have a book to get for my wife and then I'm done too.

    We ended up getting a tree. it was $9 at the reject shop, bargain! I got some colourd lights from coles for $20 and the cool thing is they can be controlled by alexa or google home. That, and they look cool.

    We used to get a real pine branch as a tree but more lately have used a
    plastic tree. It's a bit of a pain to set up but nowhere as messy as the real thing. I'm slowly coming around to liking it.

    This should have been our first christmas with our girls, but, it is not. So will be a quiet one as it's a bit of a sad time for my wife
    especially. Though, I am thankful we both have our health, and recognise that this year will be especially tough for those who have lost loved ones.

    Thinking of you both at this time. My wife is also feeling it this month as it's the first Christmas her mum won't be around for. It hits here at random times and I provide the hugs and the tissues... it feels like I'm not doing very much but it's all I can really do.

    It's strange how grief affects different people in differnt ways. And how one can some how harden oneself to it, I'm not sure if that's a good
    thing or not, if it is a disservice to those we lost if we are not as overcome by grief as in the past?

    I think stuff triggers us all in different ways. I can be fine for many
    months on some things then wham it hits you. Music often triggers me... guess it's an associated memory or some such?

    Anyway, thats all a bit deep. I would wish everyone a merry christmas,
    but I am not religious, and it seems the christians have usurped this celebration, so I'll just wish you all a happy holidays instead.
    Take care, and I hope you can find things to celebrate despite the terrible year we have had.

    Best wishes to you and your families as well Andrew.

    Can you send some heat over here as right now it feels like Winter. Thanks!

    Best, Paul

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Avon on Sunday, December 20, 2020 20:04:51
    On 21 Dec 2020, Avon said the following...

    We used to get a real pine branch as a tree but more lately have used a plastic tree. It's a bit of a pain to set up but nowhere as messy as the realthing. I'm slowly coming around to liking it.

    We always had a real tree growing up. We didn't even need to buy one, there were several acres out back we just had to go and cut one down.

    I hear you about being messy, if you didn't keep them watered they drop needles like no tomorrow & they didn't feel very nice if you happened to step on one. Probably the tree's last vengeance...

    Jay

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Monday, December 21, 2020 20:09:00
    On 12-18-20 17:22, apam wrote to All <=-

    Anyway, thats all a bit deep. I would wish everyone a merry christmas,
    but I am not religious, and it seems the christians have usurped this celebration, so I'll just wish you all a happy holidays instead.

    Hope the festive season treats you well, and don't be too hard on yourselves as you go through the grieving process. It's different for everyone and every time.

    Take care, and I hope you can find things to celebrate despite the terrible year we have had.

    It's been a tough year for many, but we still have each other and our communities (including on the boards!). Maybe it's a good time to take stock of what we do have at a time it can be easy to lose sight of that.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:31:13
    On 21 Dec 2020 at 08:09p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    It's been a tough year for many, but we still have each other and our communities (including on the boards!). Maybe it's a good time to take stock of what we do have at a time it can be easy to lose sight of that.

    Amen to that... always nice to read your posts here. I hope this upcoming Christmas/New Year period is a relaxing one for you and yours..

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 20:33:00
    On 12-22-20 10:31, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Amen to that... always nice to read your posts here. I hope this
    upcoming Christmas/New Year period is a relaxing one for you and
    yours..

    Well, it looks like it's going to be quiet, but 2020 is not finished yet. :)


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 07:40:58
    On 23 Dec 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

    Well, it looks like it's going to be quiet, but 2020 is not finished
    yet. :)

    There's 8 days left, just please 2020, don't take Betty White...

    Jay

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Warpslide on Thursday, December 24, 2020 22:10:00
    On 12-23-20 07:40, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There's 8 days left, just please 2020, don't take Betty White...

    Hmm, that one is lost on me...


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to apam on Thursday, December 31, 2020 11:03:00
    Hello apam!

    ** On Friday 18.12.20 - 17:22, apam wrote to All:

    We ended up getting a tree. it was $9 at the reject shop,
    bargain! I got some colourd lights from coles for $20 and the
    cool thing is they can be controlled by alexa or google home.
    That, and they look cool.

    How did the Alexa/google link-up go?


    It's strange how grief affects different people in differnt
    ways..

    [snip]

    ..if it is a disservice to those we lost if we are not as
    overcome by grief as in the past?

    I don't think it is a disservice. I think that those we have lost
    would want us to function and carry on with happy, properous and
    meaningful lives. We can always reflect on the wonderful impact
    that those people had on our lives and not demonstrate sadness as
    if it were the only way to prove some sort of respect.


    Anyway, thats all a bit deep. I would wish everyone a merry
    christmas, but I am not religious, and it seems the
    christians have usurped this celebration, so I'll just wish
    you all a happy holidays instead.

    Shocker. Christ was anti-religious. so, you're on the right
    track. But I digress. ;)

    I think the business class has done the usurping if you want to
    call it that. Otherwise, I think we don't even need the
    pressure, guilt, and social stigma of giving presents on Dec 25th
    every year. I say, give throughout the year - at any time that
    moves you. Make every day special in some small or large way that
    you can. In the end, what matters are the memories - not the
    material stuff.


    Take care, and I hope you can find things to celebrate
    despite the terrible year we have had.

    This was the first Christmas that my phone was completely silent.
    Lo and behold, I learned that both of my landlines were dead -
    but I am not sure how long prior that it started. I could call
    out (whilst the lines had a lot of static and noise), but anyone
    trying to call in would hear one ring, a clunk, and then dead-
    air. One of the lines cleared up on its own the day after. Two
    days after that, the other line came back to normal.

    I did however receive a tonne of cookies, a booze-soaked
    Christmas cake, a bottle of wine and a few other edibles from
    people who came by my shop.

    Another special day is upon us this Friday. New Year's
    celebrations are a far cry from what we would all be used to, for
    sure.

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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Al on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 23:22:39
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 05:33p, Al pondered and said...

    111
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: apam to Al on Sat Nov 21 2020 11:17 am

    Maybe if we were bioligists living in a bubble, but in the real world bringing up covid is most definitley bringing up politics.

    Yes, that is certainly true here in North America. Someone may simply
    want to talk about covid.. their own or others experience with it and
    not wish a political discussion but it may very well elicit an unwanted political response.

    People who deny (whatever) are a dangerous sort who make me want to
    load up my twit filter.

    Not sure exactly what you mean by that.

    People who reply to a covid question or discussion and say covid is not any kind of danger and only 6000 people have died from it.

    I hate the lies and misinformation that some spread about covid. I hate lies and misinformation generally.

    I just don't like it that no one is allowed to even ask any questions about anything. Open civil rational discussions are not welcomed. The world has basically gone completely insane, which is a much greater threat than covid could ever be, and a threat that existed and was building before 2020, and
    that this whole thing has set a brush fire to.

    Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Think its real, think its fake. Fine by me.
    The people I'm tempted to add to my twit filter, are the ones who say we
    should not question, should not discuss, and who gas light people for having safety concerns, as well as other type of concerns. People these days are
    just addicted to fear and outrage, regardless of what side of any issue they might take.

    That is what is imploding society, that is the biggest danger, and there are main stream parasites making a lot of money from it. As parasites have always made money from chaos and conflict.

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm sticking my toe in the water and doing a sanity check on it. Whether I remain or go back into hibernation from it, will largely be determined by my observations of people's attitudes. If most people in the scene these days know how to be civil, agree to disagree, have calm discussions and act like real humans,
    then cool. I might just stick around. But if I find the same levels of
    outrage and attitude that I find on the main stream web, then remaining would be a redundancy.

    We'll see what happens.

    .:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Paradigms Shifting on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 07:04:10
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Paradigms Shifting to Al on Wed Mar 31 2021 11:22 pm

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm sticking my toe in the water and doin
    sanity check on it. Whether I remain or go back into hibernation from it, will largely be determined b
    my observations of people's attitudes. If most people in the scene these days know how to be civil, ag
    to disagree, have calm discussions and act like real humans,
    then cool. I might just stick around. But if I find the same levels of outrage and attitude that I find on the main stream web, then remaining would be a redundancy.


    In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant on whihc networks you visit.

    Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd this line as trolling, though :-P

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Paradigms Shifting on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 08:28:00
    *** Quoting Paradigms Shifting from a message to Al ***

    I just don't like it that no one is allowed to even ask any questions about anything. Open civil rational discussions are not welcomed.

    Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Think its real, think its fake. Fine
    by me.

    Exactly this. People are way too concerned with what others are doing, especially when it's not really doing any harm. Who cares if a person is wearing a mask by themself in their car? Maybe they're quickly driving from point a to point b, or maybe they have anxiety and feel safer wearing one
    when they're outside the house. Let them be.

    The people we should be concerned about are those who flagrantly disregard
    our new normal because it conflicts with their freedom or they have a
    "medical condition".

    I witnessed a woman screaming at the top of her lungs because she wasn't allowed in a grocery store without a mask. She was being quite loud and obnoxious about it, making quite a scene, all the while holding up the (quite long) line behind her. At one point while carrying on she got almost nose -to-nose with the manager while screaming at him. So much for 6ft apart.

    The people I'm tempted to add to my twit filter, are the ones who say
    we should not question, should not discuss, and who gas light people
    for having safety concerns, as well as other type of concerns.

    Yup, and then you'll have people "comment" about your use of twit filters. I've been "shamed" on here before about mentioning my use of them. Again, people can't just "live & let live" anymore. If you don't do exactly the
    same as them then you're wrong.

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm
    sticking my toe in the water and doing a sanity check on it.

    I've been back for almost a year now. I'd stick around, the people here seem to come & go.

    This time last year fsxNet was quite busy, active & pleasant for the most part. I do take breaks from time-to-time if things do seem to get heated.


    Jay

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Paradigms Shifting on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 05:36:06
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Paradigms Shifting to Al on Wed Mar 31 2021 11:22 pm

    I just don't like it that no one is allowed to even ask any questions about anything.

    I have not felt that I couldn't question what I wanted to question or ask questions.

    Open civil rational discussions are not welcomed.

    I am open to discussing almost anything that folks bring up.

    The world has basically gone completely insane, which is a much greater threat than covid could ever be, and a threat that existed and was building before 2020, and that this whole thing has set a brush fire to.

    I dunno, covid is a pretty clear and present danger. It's not something anyone wished for but it happens from time to time. Hopefully these new vaccines will prove to be effective and we can get back to normal.

    Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Think its real, think its fake. Fine by me. The people I'm tempted to add to my twit filter, are the ones who say we should not question, should not discuss, and who gas light people for having safety concerns, as well as other type of concerns. People these days are just addicted to fear and outrage, regardless of what side of any issue they might take.

    Discussion is what we do in these echo areas. In normal times we just discuss what's on our minds and maybe those in the discussion can help us come to some real honest truths. Maybe not but it doesn't hurt us or those around us to discuss what's on our minds.

    Most times the discussions are not all that heavy but in some areas it can get heavy. Have the discussions you want/need/enjoy and leave those that are not helpful where you found them is the way I look at it.

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm sticking my toe in the water and doing a sanity check on it. Whether I remain or go back into hibernation from it, will largely be determined by my observations of people's attitudes. If most people in the scene these days know how to be civil, agree to disagree, have calm discussions and act like real humans, then cool. I might just stick around. But if I find the same levels of outrage and attitude that I find on the main stream web, then remaining would be a redundancy.

    If I have the time I am usually not far from the BBS and the message areas, I've always enjoyed BBSing and the folks I find and have conversations with. I find there is lots to enjoy and lots to stay away from.

    There are lots of people in the BBS world and not all of them will see things the way you do. It's not any different than the real world, people are all going in different ways for different reasons.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Arelor on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 05:42:10
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Arelor to Paradigms Shifting on Wed Mar 31 2021 07:04 am

    In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant on whihc networks you visit.

    Choose your areas and conversations.. :)

    Fidonet has a very wide assortment of areas so you don't need go into areas that are uniteresting or ...

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Al on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 09:30:25
    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Al to Arelor on Wed Mar 31 2021 05:42 am

    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Arelor to Paradigms Shifting on Wed Mar 31 2021 07:04 am

    In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant on wh
    networks you visit.

    Choose your areas and conversations.. :)

    Fidonet has a very wide assortment of areas so you don't need go into areas that ar
    uniteresting or ...

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

    Don't get me wrong, I also like to visit the cesspits from time to time, for the fun
    of it alone.

    THe really good flames are nearly as good as Usenet's.

    However, if the concern is finding healthy areas you want to stick around, I have the
    moral duty to inform people of the dangers :-P

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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Arelor on Thursday, April 01, 2021 14:21:58
    On 31 Mar 2021 at 07:04a, Arelor pondered and said...

    Re: Re: Friday
    By: Paradigms Shifting to Al on Wed Mar 31 2021 11:22 pm

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm sticki toe in the water and doin
    sanity check on it. Whether I remain or go back into hibernation from i will largely be determined b
    my observations of people's attitudes. If most people in the scene thes days know how to be civil, ag
    to disagree, have calm discussions and act like real humans,
    then cool. I might just stick around. But if I find the same levels of outrage and attitude that I find on the main stream web, then remaining would be a redundancy.


    In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant on whihc networks you visit.

    Thats fair enough. So far people on this network appear to be civil.


    Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd this line as trolling, though :-P

    When I was a regular in the BBS Scene, there were valid reasons that we
    called it "Fight-O-Net" :D

    .:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Warpslide on Thursday, April 01, 2021 14:34:18
    On 31 Mar 2021 at 08:28a, Warpslide pondered and said...

    *** Quoting Paradigms Shifting from a message to Al ***

    I just don't like it that no one is allowed to even ask any questions about anything. Open civil rational discussions are not welcomed.

    Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Think its real, think its fake. Fine by me.

    Exactly this. People are way too concerned with what others are doing, especially when it's not really doing any harm. Who cares if a person
    is wearing a mask by themself in their car? Maybe they're quickly
    driving from point a to point b, or maybe they have anxiety and feel
    safer wearing one when they're outside the house. Let them be.

    The people we should be concerned about are those who flagrantly
    disregard our new normal because it conflicts with their freedom or they have a "medical condition".

    I witnessed a woman screaming at the top of her lungs because she wasn't allowed in a grocery store without a mask. She was being quite loud and obnoxious about it, making quite a scene, all the while holding up the (quite long) line behind her. At one point while carrying on she got almost nose -to-nose with the manager while screaming at him. So much
    for 6ft apart.

    The people I'm tempted to add to my twit filter, are the ones who say we should not question, should not discuss, and who gas light people for having safety concerns, as well as other type of concerns.

    Yup, and then you'll have people "comment" about your use of twit
    filters. I've been "shamed" on here before about mentioning my use of them. Again, people can't just "live & let live" anymore. If you don't do exactly the same as them then you're wrong.

    I am one of those people who is on the polar opposite end of the issue that
    you are, so you and I are going to disagree a lot if we were to discuss it.
    But at least we do agree that all sides should be allowed to have that civil discussion, and that allowance simply is not happening within the main stream.

    On one side of things, the main stream itself is committing dangerous levels
    of censorship and surface level history shows us exactly just how dangerous that can be. On the level of the average person, you have outrage culture.
    Most people just want to yell and scream at each other.

    I am more than happy to discuss the details of the situation both on the medical science front as well as on the historical (people ignoring the
    lessons of history, and thusly repeating the mistakes of history) front. But most people don't want discussions. They want to attack each other, yell, scream, wave the penises of their inflated egos around, and all sorts of
    crazy making.

    I've been back for almost a year now. I'd stick around, the people here seem to come & go.

    This time last year fsxNet was quite busy, active & pleasant for the
    most part. I do take breaks from time-to-time if things do seem to get heated.

    Thats good to know. I can handle heat if / when it comes up. I just prefer those times to be the exception, not the modus operandi.

    .:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

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  • From Morgul@21:1/207 to Paradigms Shifting on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 21:48:49
    BY: Paradigms Shifting(21:1/101)


    |11PS|09> |10Ar> Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to|07
    |11PS|09> |10Ar> distregrd|07
    |11PS|09> |10Ar> this line as trolling, though :-P|07
    |11PS|09> |07
    |11PS|09> |10When I was a regular in the BBS Scene, there were valid reasons that we|07
    |11PS|09> |10called it "Fight-O-Net" :D|07
    |11PS|09> |07
    I ran a BBS from 1992-2002, and was on Fidonet for part of that.

    I brought my BBS back in January of this year, and I can tell you, in 25 years...not much has changed on that network.

    I was amazed that the defining document still dates back to 1987, I believe.

    |09ÄÄÄÄÄÍÍÍÍÍ|11¯ |14Morgul! |11®|09ÍÍÍÍÍÄÄÄÄÄ


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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Al on Thursday, April 01, 2021 15:18:23
    I just don't like it that no one is allowed to even ask any questions about anything.

    I have not felt that I couldn't question what I wanted to question or ask questions.

    Within the BBS Scene, I'm sure thats the case. However when it comes to main stream social media and people in general, it is a different story. For example, on both FascistBook and ScrewYouTube, it is literally considered as being against their "hate speech policy" to even QUESTION anything about
    covid. I know this because not only have I read their policy, I've had things removed that I've posted, for simply questioning.

    When it comes to regular people on main stream social media, they too do not seem all too interested in these sorts of discussions. Some are polite about it, others not so polite. In either case, there is a lot of dismissal /
    refusal to look at any evidence outside of what they already believe.

    I've asked people who claim to be studied up on these things some very simple questions, and have even been told that not only did they not read my questions, but they have no interest in reading them, much less answering
    them.

    For most people, the mind does not so much seek truth, but rather -- consistency.

    Open civil rational discussions are not welcomed.

    I am open to discussing almost anything that folks bring up.

    I'm sure you are. I am just speaking about attitudes within society at large.

    The world has basically gone completely insane, which is a much great threat than covid could ever be, and a threat that existed and was building before 2020, and that this whole thing has set a brush fire

    I dunno, covid is a pretty clear and present danger. It's not something anyone wished for but it happens from time to time. Hopefully these new vaccines will prove to be effective and we can get back to normal.

    The PCR is what is not only used to "test" for covid, but is also what was
    used to "discover" covid in the first place. I put those two words in quotes because, even according to the nobel peace prize winning inventor of the PCR himself, Karry Mullis -- the PCR is not a test. It does not test for
    anything. It is incapable of testing for anything. The PCR is not able to identify anything, nor can it tell you whether or not what you're looking at
    is or is not harmful. Therefore, the virus has not been isolated. Many people have tried to request the info about the isolation of the virus, and they
    were not told that they're not allowed to have it -- they were told that such data does not exist and therefore they can not provide data that does not exist.

    So if covid is real, then how can you discover it using a method that is not capable of discovering anything? If you have not isolated a virus, then there is no way to know what you are looking for, even if you had a test that can look for it. Add to that, how can you test using a test that is not a test
    and therefore can not test for anything?

    To me, it is just mind blowing how most people just do not seem at all interested. They'd rather dismiss these things, or name call those who would ask the questions.

    VIDEO: "What Is PCR?"
    LINK: https://www.bitchute.com/video/RKL0beqzLFjn/

    This video, using only main stream sources, explains what PCR is, what it is not, and the official data from the manufacturers of the different PCR tests being used. It also provides some footage of Karry Mullis himself explaining these things.

    Also keeping in mind, the almost comical and science-defying measures we're told we should be taking, and how ridiculous they are. As well as how they explain how this thing allegedly functions, they make it seem as if this
    virus is sentient, self aware, and intelligently uses strategy.

    You're safe at a riot.
    You're at risk at a protest.

    You have to wear a mask standing up in a restaurant, but you may take it off when you sit down, because apparently the virus will only attack you at a height exceeding 4 FT.

    This is allegedly the most dangerous virus we've ever faced, and yet you're allowed to liter masks everywhere. Why aren't there strict measures for mask usage and disposal? Why isn't littering a mask a $10,000 fine?

    The holes in any of these masks are much larger than any virus particle and these particles pass right through the mask with ease, as proven here --
    VIDEO: https://www.bitchute.com/video/wmQBgX80z3JE/

    Viruses can also enter through your eyes, as well as the pores in your skin, which even if masks did work, in and of itself, completely defeats the idea
    of using them.

    Why is every death a covid death? Look that one up, its been happening at ridiculous levels.

    How and why has covid-19 literally cured the flu? That is what they are claiming in the main stream. Look at official yearly flu data. It is practically non-existent. Is it more likely that covid-19 has cured the
    flu? Or is it more likely that the flu is being relabeled as covid-19?

    Why are we destroying the economy, destroying people's mental health, etc
    at alarming rates well in excess of what the highest predicted death rates
    for covid-19 allegedly are?

    Why are we in a panic and locking down the world over a virus that official sources say you have a less than 1% chance of even catching if there was
    no lockdowns, and a 99.969% chance of surviving if you do catch it?

    Which of course reminds me of a joke I tell often: "I'd tell you a covid joke, but there is a 99.969% chance that you won't get it" :D

    Why do vaccine manufacturers have liability exemption? And furthermore,
    why does this seem to be okay with a lot of people when it is mentioned? Clearly they don't understand the implications of that.

    Why are there talks about force mandating a high experimental dangerous injection, with an in excess of 3% adverse reaction rate (so far!), that according to official data does not do anything a vaccine is allegedly
    supposed to do (no immunity, does not prevent spread, etc) and that they
    do not even call a vaccine, they call it "an operating system".

    The billionaires, people who run the big corporations, main stream news
    people, politicians and others -- are openly stating that vaccine or no
    vaccine -- this is the new normal, forever. Masks, forever. Lockdowns,
    forever. Forced uninformed uncosented medical treatments, forever. Increased authoritarian measures, forever. A complete loss of civil rights, forever. They call it the great reset. They even say that the billionaire class will
    be the ones who will own everything, and that you will "own nothing, and
    be happy". The UN has even gone so far as to call it "the new world order". These are their words. Not mine. Not some conspiracy nut in their
    mothers basement.

    The list goes on but the point is -- government and politicians over decades have proven themselves to be parasitic criminal opportunists just with basic surface level history. It is just so amazing to me how many people trust
    so blindly and do not see the scam. I used to wonder as a kid, how exactly
    sis Hitler brain wash so many otherwise good people to be complicit with
    so many horrible things. Now I know, I see it in real time every day.

    After Germany lost the war, one of the high ranking nazis was asked how this brain washing was accomplished. You can look up the exact quote if you'd like to, but the basic gist was this: "there is nothing special about fascism. As long as you can keep a population in fear, they will do whatever you ask of them. This works as effectively in a democracy, in a republic, in communism,
    or anything. You can do this within any system".

    Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Think its real, think its fake. Fine me. The people I'm tempted to add to my twit filter, are the ones who we should not question, should not discuss, and who gas light people having safety concerns, as well as other type of concerns. People the days are just addicted to fear and outrage, regardless of what side o issue they might take.

    Discussion is what we do in these echo areas. In normal times we just discuss what's on our minds and maybe those in the discussion can help
    us come to some real honest truths. Maybe not but it doesn't hurt us or those around us to discuss what's on our minds.

    Most times the discussions are not all that heavy but in some areas it
    can get heavy. Have the discussions you want/need/enjoy and leave those that are not helpful where you found them is the way I look at it.


    Seems sensible enough.

    I've not been in the BBS Scene for a long time, so right now I'm stic my toe in the water and doing a sanity check on it. Whether I remain back into hibernation from it, will largely be determined by my observations of people's attitudes. If most people in the scene these know how to be civil, agree to disagree, have calm discussions and ac like real humans, then cool. I might just stick around. But if I find same levels of outrage and attitude that I find on the main stream we then remaining would be a redundancy.

    If I have the time I am usually not far from the BBS and the message areas, I've always enjoyed BBSing and the folks I find and have conversations with. I find there is lots to enjoy and lots to stay away from.

    Sounds fair to me.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Paradigms Shifting on Thursday, April 01, 2021 02:01:29
    around. But if I find the same levels of outrage and attitude that I
    find on the main stream web, then remaining would be a redundancy.

    People are people.

    Most everyone here will be grumpy from time to time.

    I _think_ it's generally better, but it's generally better because of the no politics rule, and because of various deficiencies of the format that wind up being positives (e.g., messages are in date order, no one is viewing this as
    a super-profitable business, posting memes that are words on pictures is next to impossible (or at least would take converting to ANSI, which would
    hopefully at least be a bit of skill), and so on).

    But if you head over to some of the Fidonet forums, it's, well, unpleasant.
    If you're hoping to avoid the outrage and attitude, I'd suggest avoiding
    those.

    And maybe here, too, but generally the outrage is about something that's
    super BBS related, thus it's _different_ outrage.

    Anyway, tell us how you get on with things. I hope you find it pleasant, and can help us keep the political discussion to a minimum.

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158.1 to Adept on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 19:35:11
    I _think_ it's generally better, but it's generally better because of
    the no
    politics rule, and because of various deficiencies of the format that
    wind up
    being positives (e.g., messages are in date order, no one is viewing
    this as
    a super-profitable business, posting memes that are words on pictures
    is next
    to impossible (or at least would take converting to ANSI, which would hopefully at least be a bit of skill), and so on).

    Vigourous head-nodding. 100% love the no-politics rule on fsxNet. Sure,
    as you said, certain phrases can still have political connotations, but I usually just mentally note not to take the bait. When I was newly
    returned to BBSing, i did take the bait once, and woo-boy did I have
    instant regret.

    I still carry all the "debate" echos from other 'nets. but just skip them.

    ANSI memes = LOL


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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Morgul on Thursday, April 01, 2021 16:08:43
    On 31 Mar 2021 at 09:48p, Morgul pondered and said...

    BY: Paradigms Shifting(21:1/101)


    Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd
    this line as trolling, though :-P

    When I was a regular in the BBS Scene, there were valid reasons that w called it "Fight-O-Net" :D

    I ran a BBS from 1992-2002, and was on Fidonet for part of that.

    I brought my BBS back in January of this year, and I can tell you, in 25 years...not much has changed on that network.

    I was amazed that the defining document still dates back to 1987, I believe.

    Buwhahahahahahaha!!! This does NOT surprise me!

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Alpha on Thursday, April 01, 2021 03:09:15
    ANSI memes = LOL

    I did throw together an ANSI Bernie meme in about 15 minutes, once (no words
    on it, or anything).

    I think that sort of thing would be entertaining. Mostly because I doubt we'd ever be overrun by one-off ANSI creations.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Thursday, April 01, 2021 18:01:46
    *** Quoting Adept from a message to Alpha ***

    I did throw together an ANSI Bernie meme in about 15 minutes, once
    (no words on it, or anything).

    Was it a mittens one? lol

    I'd love to see that.

    Jay

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Warpslide on Friday, April 02, 2021 01:06:48
    I did throw together an ANSI Bernie meme in about 15 minutes, once (no words on it, or anything).
    Was it a mittens one? lol

    I'll post it. My apologies in advance to anyone whose message base gets
    screwed up from it.

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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Alpha on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:22:05
    On 31 Mar 2021 at 07:35p, Alpha pondered and said...

    I _think_ it's generally better, but it's generally better because of the no
    politics rule, and because of various deficiencies of the format that wind up
    being positives (e.g., messages are in date order, no one is viewing this as
    a super-profitable business, posting memes that are words on pictures is next
    to impossible (or at least would take converting to ANSI, which would hopefully at least be a bit of skill), and so on).

    Vigourous head-nodding. 100% love the no-politics rule on fsxNet. Sure,
    as you said, certain phrases can still have political connotations, but I usually just mentally note not to take the bait. When I was newly
    returned to BBSing, i did take the bait once, and woo-boy did I have instant regret.

    I still carry all the "debate" echos from other 'nets. but just skip
    them.

    ANSI memes = LOL

    Sorry if I replied to this already. The last time I was doing a message scan,
    I had to quit to log off, because my "time was almost out". That felt
    strange, seeing as in the age of much faster computers, and broadband, I wouldn't expect user time limits to still be a thing.

    Anyways -- the main "land mine" that I tend to end up stepping in, is that these days how a person defines "political" tends to be completely
    subjective. I've had conversations in chat rooms about topics that are
    mundane and completely non-political, only to have someone ask me why I am "getting so political". I was like .... what? lol

    So maybe someone already answered me on this and I just haven't read that message yet because my scan hasn't gotten there just yet, but I'm going to
    need to know how the rules of this network defines "political".

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to All on Saturday, July 24, 2021 07:52:00
    I took a half-day off of work, had some home network ideas. I was going to load up my old Dell T3400 with all of the 2tb drives I have laying around
    here and load up TrueNAS. Picked up a used UPS and realized that the USB connector is an RJ-45, so had to order a cable on Amazon.

    Needed to find a DVI to analog VGA adapter, as I want to run it with a small monitor I have laying around.

    Realized that the 90 degree SATA cables I have are the locking kind and
    won't clear the case.

    Got everything together and it wouldn't boot. Off to e-waste it goes.

    Instead, I ended up putting one of the 2tb drives onto my router, sharing it with Samba, and using it as a media server. Slow transfers, but it works.

    Spent the day setting up one of my domain names for my internal network, sorted out a couple of resolution issues, cranked up the firewall on my router, reset the DNS to Cisco Umbrella, and played with containers on
    Proxmox (lxc natively on Proxmox, Docker/Kubernetes running on an Ubuntu VM inside of Proxmox)

    I still want to get a *real* NAS, I'm thinking about a 2-bay Synology NAS - but will need to get new drives to go with it.

    In the meantime, was watching NetworkChuck on Youtube and am inspired to get
    a 3cx pbx running on my cluster at home, because I can. I didn't realize
    that AWS offered SIP trunking, want to give it a go.




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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, July 26, 2021 19:42:40
    Spent the day setting up one of my domain names for my internal network, sorted out a couple of resolution issues, cranked up the firewall on my router, reset the DNS to Cisco Umbrella, and played with containers on Proxmox (lxc natively on Proxmox, Docker/Kubernetes running on an Ubuntu VM inside of Proxmox)
    I still want to get a *real* NAS, I'm thinking about a 2-bay Synology
    NAS - but will need to get new drives to go with it.

    Hi, ya you might want to look at getting an old Dell R710 and stacking it out with drives. for mine though i ran into the issue of the PERC cards on them
    not being able to read 8TB drives. the Perc cards on those max out at 4tb per drive. for the big drive slots they hold about 6 drives. if you set to raid5 config that should be about 20TB of storage.

    if you check on ebay there is a seller that is really reputable called SaveMyServer and he sells R710s for about $150 you will want to keep your attention on how man drive sleds are included, and also the cpu cores and memory. they do sell 12 core systems and they usually come with 20 gigs or
    ram or more. its a great deal. that being said they also do suck up a lot of electricity.
    but ProxMox is rock solid on them.

    Thanks
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, July 29, 2021 16:22:42
    On 24 Jul 2021 at 07:52a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    In the meantime, was watching NetworkChuck on Youtube and am inspired to

    He's good. I enjoy his videos too but man he drinks a lot of coffee.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to gcubebuddy on Thursday, July 29, 2021 19:08:00
    ram or more. its a great deal. that being said they also do suck up a lot of electricity. but ProxMox is rock solid on them.

    What kind of juice are you talking? Not that long past, I retired an ASUS Sabretooth not because of any failing, but it was sucking some 240W doing pretty much nothing at idle. Let alone what it might manage under load.

    No idea what your power pricing is like there, ours has been going through the roof for last 10 years or more... % increase on % increase.. its gotten prohibitive to run lots of equipment 24/7

    Spec


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Spectre on Friday, July 30, 2021 15:01:28
    Re: re: Friday
    By: Spectre to gcubebuddy on Thu Jul 29 2021 07:08 pm

    Howdy,

    No idea what your power pricing is like there, ours has been going through the roof for last 10 years or more... % increase on % increase.. its gotten prohibitive to run lots of equipment 24/7

    Actually, you might be surprised - I've been doing some research on this of late, and there are options.

    5 Years ago, I was paying 35c/kwH - I'm now on Amber paying wholesale rates - which vary betweeen 5-30c (my average is 23). Depending on how Amber goes (I've only been with them a month), I have a plan B. Dont recall their name, but they charge $80/month for 250Kw, and then 12c thereafter...

    Comparing my bill its neck and neck with Amber - but what I like about the second option is its fixed pricing at 12c (after 250Kw), and my house pulls 450 or so a month.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Friday, July 30, 2021 06:14:00
    Avon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    In the meantime, was watching NetworkChuck on Youtube and am inspired to

    He's good. I enjoy his videos too but man he drinks a lot of coffee.

    I had to buy a pound of decaf coffee just to keep up!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Friday, July 30, 2021 06:54:00
    Spectre wrote to gcubebuddy <=-

    No idea what your power pricing is like there, ours has been going
    through the roof for last 10 years or more... % increase on %
    increase.. its gotten prohibitive to run lots of equipment 24/7

    I'm quite fond of my homelab; it's an old Thinkpad with a 65w power supply running Proxmox, DD-WRT router software running on a Linksys 1900AC router with a USB3 external drive shared via SMB, and a pi 3 running Pi-Hole (among other things)

    The router is running NGINX and is going to be a reverse proxy for my
    network.

    As power draws go, this is pretty low.

    The thinkpad makes a decent proxmox server, I'm running a couple of
    containers natively with LXC, have a Debian VM running Docker/k3s, a couple
    of "nostalgia" VMs (Minix, Windows95) Windows 2019 server and various
    flavors of Linux/BSD for testing.

    I only have a couple of VMs running full-time, but it's nice to be able to spin up a VM quickly and dedicate hardware to it.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to All on Friday, December 03, 2021 07:07:00
    The dust is beginning to settle (literally) on our kitchen remodel, the contractors laid tile flooring yesterday, will finish up the grout today. At this point, it's little leftover crap that's to be done, like baseboards, putting handles on drawers, etc.

    My company is going through a re-org, semi non-coincidentally I started studying for the Amazon Certified Cloud Practitioner exam; I learned most of the test matter on-the-job, just need to fill in some blanks.

    The weather looks to be relatively mild, we're going to go to a Christmas lights show at a local park that should be fun. Other than that, should be
    one last quiet weekend before the holidays kick in.


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