• "other recycleables" versus "trash"

    From August Abolins@21:2/101 to Adept on Monday, September 21, 2020 11:09:16
    On 21/09/2020 7:17 a.m., Adept wrote: tG

    Oh, it's different because of the German system being
    different. There are four bins, if memory serves -- paper,
    compost, other recyclables, and trash.

    [snip

    But I suppose I still question what goes in "other
    recycleables" versus "trash".

    In Canada, black or coloured plastic are not allowed to be combined
    in clear-container or white plastics. They may all be recyclable,
    but the coloured stuff probably needs to go through a separate
    chemical process to break down?
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  • From August Abolins@21:2/101 to The Godfather on Monday, September 21, 2020 11:26:42
    On 21/09/2020 9:34 a.m., The Godfather wrote:

    Heck, I even tried encouraging them to get rid of VHS
    tapes because they said they didn't have a working VCR,
    but the solution wound up being doing some tech support
    that got their VCR setup again.

    Thats a hilarious story! We haven't had a VCR in years but
    my wife won't get rid of the Disney tapes she had bought
    for our first child, used, at a garage sale. Of course,
    I'm like, umm.. we have Disney+?

    Why not just keep the sleeves/covers in a binder or something, and
    throw out the tapes?


    things: stamps, beanie babies, etc... She did eventually
    let me sell it all on ebay, which freed up half a garage.
    That was a milestone.

    That must have been an incredible project to list everything with
    descriptions and details.


    realize not everyone is weird like me -- I like
    countertops free of clutter, everything organized, like
    walking into a freshly turned hotel room. Most I suppose
    aren't quite that particular.

    The backroom of my book shop would drive you crazy. I am fortunate
    that I have the flexibility and the flat stomach to navigate the
    narrow channel openings between stacks and stacks of books.

    I would very much like no clutter at home too. But now I
    practically don't care. I had a surplus of used books arrive for
    the shop. I kept a few boxes in my truck for a while, but I had to
    remove them to make room for transporting my summer tires. So, the
    boxes are now in the house in the foyer and up the entryway stairs a
    bit. I could put the boxes back in the truck now, but I'm going to
    need to have room to transport my winter tires soon.


    We are at a stand still with him on getting rid of
    anything. I had to finally get a stuffed animal bean bag
    to free up space in his room. It's been a battle; and he
    doesn't go for the entire donate idea at the moment,
    unless it's a happy meal toy.

    Definitely NOT a chip off the ol'block. :)
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  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to August Abolins on Monday, September 21, 2020 10:31:18

    But I suppose I still question what goes in "other
    recycleables" versus "trash".


    In Canada, black or coloured plastic are not allowed to be combined

    in clear-container or white plastics. They may all be recyclable,

    but the coloured stuff probably needs to go through a separate

    chemical process to break down?

    Actually, plastics all recycle basically the same way. But the colored vs clear/white is more for use. it all gets ground up, but the color additives are there to stay.

    If, for example, you are going to make plastic water bottles, you don't necessarily want black plastic in the mix.

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to August Abolins on Monday, September 21, 2020 13:40:30
    Why not just keep the sleeves/covers in a binder or something, and
    throw out the tapes?

    Ummm .. I don't go there for the sake of a peaceful house.

    That must have been an incredible project to list everything with descriptions and details.

    It was, if my memory recalls (mind you this was 15 years ago ..) 3
    months of listing and selling? It's how I learned that eBay was more
    work then profit and never started an eBay biz.

    The backroom of my book shop would drive you crazy. I am fortunate
    that I have the flexibility and the flat stomach to navigate the

    Based on your explanation, and my past in retail .. Yeah .. a full
    warehouse is lost profit. I'd be finding a way to get the merch on the
    floor and moving, or writing off what was not sell-able and getting it
    put in bulk boxes to goodwill or eBay.

    I would very much like no clutter at home too. But now I
    practically don't care. I had a surplus of used books arrive for
    the shop. I kept a few boxes in my truck for a while, but I had to
    remove them to make room for transporting my summer tires. So, the
    boxes are now in the house in the foyer and up the entryway stairs a
    bit. I could put the boxes back in the truck now, but I'm going to
    need to have room to transport my winter tires soon.

    Yeah, after 15 years of picking up after another, one does tend to
    finally just quit trying .. I'm exaggerating how bad it is compared to
    an actual hoarder, but I don't like stacks of crap on countertops,
    dressers, tables, etc.... I intentionally do not buy any new furniture
    or cabinets (albeit needed in our kitchen) with countertops as my
    silent protest :)

    Definitely NOT a chip off the ol'block. :)

    Ummm .. oddly, he's a mini-me, or the most of the three .. except for
    the cleanliness in his room. Outside, he's as much into gardening and landscaping as I am, is starting Karate next month, and watched
    football with me yesterday. So I can't complain too much; I just close
    his door and when his stuff creeps into the hallway .. I jump in and we
    start cleaning his room.

    -tG

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to August Abolins on Monday, September 21, 2020 15:17:28
    On 21 Sep 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    In Canada, black or coloured plastic are not allowed to be combined
    in clear-container or white plastics. They may all be recyclable,
    but the coloured stuff probably needs to go through a separate
    chemical process to break down?

    I was confused when I first moved to Hamilton from Muskoka. In Muskoka styrofoam is (or was when I lived up there) recyclable.

    Here in Hamilton is wasn't when I moved here, then it was for awhile, and now it isn't again. I just recently learned that coloured plastics aren't recyclable here as well. All these Mandarin containers I've tossed in the blue-bin all these years probably just ended up in the trash.

    P.S: You're using your real name today?

    Jay

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to The Godfather on Monday, September 21, 2020 19:18:00
    Hello The!

    ** On Monday 21.09.20 - 13:40, The Godfather wrote to August Abolins:

    Why not just keep the sleeves/covers in a binder or
    something, and throw out the tapes?

    Ummm .. I don't go there for the sake of a peaceful house.

    I read somewhere that a good solution for getting rid of the
    things that are hard to part with is to photograph them and
    keep the photos in an album. I have a strong connection to
    some original VHS tapes myself, but I am also 99% sure I would
    never play them as is - I would look them up as .mp4 or DVD.
    I'd be fine to just keep the sleeves.


    [Regarding listing on eBay..]

    It was, if my memory recalls (mind you this was 15 years
    ago ..) 3 months of listing and selling? It's how I
    learned that eBay was more work then profit and never
    started an eBay biz.

    I thought that about that time ago eBay offered a standalone
    database tool to help list items. Then all one had to do was
    upload the completed list.


    Based on your explanation, and my past in retail .. Yeah
    .. a full warehouse is lost profit. I'd be finding a way
    to get the merch on the floor and moving, or writing off
    what was not sell-able and getting it put in bulk boxes
    to goodwill or eBay.

    My "warehouse" backroom is primarily used books that either
    have not yet been priced, or they are culled books that need
    to go to landfill. It's just a lot of work. I trying to
    avoid adding to the piles. I take a few minutes when I go
    through the room to get rid of the obvious titles. The room
    *is* clearing up gradually, but at a snail's pace.


    Definitely NOT a chip off the ol'block. :)

    Ummm .. oddly, he's a mini-me, or the most of the three
    .. except for the cleanliness in his room.

    I was just kidding. As kids we were probably all messy in our
    pre-teen years.


    Outside, he's as much into gardening and landscaping as I
    am, is starting Karate next month, and watched football
    with me yesterday.

    Creating memories. You are a lucky man.


    So I can't complain too much; I just close his door and
    when his stuff creeps into the hallway .. I jump in and
    we start cleaning his room.

    Lucky kids! My parents never helped with our cleaning. Dad
    was hands off. It was Mom who usually just applied the
    pressure.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Charles Pierson on Monday, September 21, 2020 19:23:00
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Monday 21.09.20 - 10:31, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    Actually, plastics all recycle basically the same way.
    But the colored vs clear/white is more for use. it all
    gets ground up, but the color additives are there to
    stay.

    In my community, we are instructed to put coloured "container"
    plastics into the trash.


    If, for example, you are going to make plastic water
    bottles, you don't necessarily want black plastic in the
    mix.

    That makes perfect sense. But my community only takes the
    clear or white plastics as recyclable.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Warpslide on Monday, September 21, 2020 19:26:00
    Hello Warpslide!

    ** On Monday 21.09.20 - 15:17, Warpslide wrote to August Abolins:

    I was confused when I first moved to Hamilton from
    Muskoka. In Muskoka styrofoam is (or was when I lived up
    there) recyclable.

    Here in Hamilton is wasn't when I moved here, then it was
    for awhile, and now it isn't again. I just recently
    learned that coloured plastics aren't recyclable here as
    well. All these Mandarin containers I've tossed in the
    blue-bin all these years probably just ended up in the
    trash.

    The white styrofoam was and then wasn't. It just goes to
    landfill now. I think today's styrofoam packaging is using a
    biodegradable material.


    P.S: You're using your real name today?

    Weird. I don't recall changing anything on my side.

    But maybe I have my Win7pc/nntp setup configured with full
    name.


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Ogg on Monday, September 21, 2020 20:05:36
    On 21 Sep 2020, Ogg said the following...

    I think today's styrofoam packaging is using a biodegradable material.

    That does make me feel a bit better about styrofoam.

    P.S: You're using your real name today?

    Weird. I don't recall changing anything on my side.

    You're back to good 'ol Ogg again! :)

    Jay

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to August Abolins on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:18:00
    In Canada, black or coloured plastic are not allowed to be combined
    in clear-container or white plastics. They may all be recyclable,


    One of the things about recycling is its expensive. So you need to heap as much work onto the recycle donor as possible. Soooo you get to sort the colours... if for no other reason than black will remain black, clear/white can probably be used for anything, while everything thats coloured in the end comes our grey.

    Despite the "push" for plastics recycling, very little of it actually happens. New container costs are just so far lower than recycled plastic being formed into new containers. Not only that but there is a point of no return for remelt
    plastics too, you can only do it 2-3 times before the stuff starts to become unusable.

    Makes you wonder if a new plastic tax should be a thing.... or a rebate of some sort on recycled stuff? Ideally demonetising the whole thing probably makes the most sense but is least achievable in the world we live in.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:39:00
    In my community, we are instructed to put coloured "container"
    plastics into the trash.

    Depends on the local recycle market. If no one will buy or take anything other than white/clear there's no point collecting it for the sake of collecting it, other than a placebo effect for feeling good.

    We only have a "combined" recycle bin here... with the green and waste bins.. there's rumours of some councils upping that to 5 bins... glass, plastics, metals, paper not sure what else off hand. But as per the point I made in an earlier post, its cheaper to do if the donor sorts it all out for you.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to August Abolins on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:01:25
    In Canada, black or coloured plastic are not allowed to be combined
    in clear-container or white plastics. They may all be recyclable,
    but the coloured stuff probably needs to go through a separate
    chemical process to break down?

    That seems reasonable. I've heard that it's really hard to properly detect black plastic, or perhaps just to detect what type of plastic it is. So, when the trash bin allows, I've tended to throw away black plastic, because it'll almost certainly wind up in the landfill anyway.

    What I really don't know much about, though are incinerators - what goes in them, how nasty the exhaust is after scrubbing, etc. I hear they use them
    more in Germany.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 08:42:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Tuesday 22.09.20 - 11:58, Adept wrote to The Godfather:

    But somehow I still traveled to Germany with a couple of
    possibly-useless sensors for use with my Arduino, and some
    hockey-puck location beacons that I swear I'll get around
    to using eventually, but haven't really in the four years
    of owning them.

    But at least they're small.

    How did you manage to convince the folks at that border that
    you weren't smuggling in some spy-devices? LOL

    I travelled with a computer from Canada to USA with a special
    computer in the backseat. I was help up at the border and
    grilled with all kinds of questions about that thing.

    Everyone was on the phone talking to authories and the company
    that sent me with that thing.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Spectre on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:53:10
    plastics, metals, paper not sure what else off hand. But as per the
    point I made in an earlier post, its cheaper to do if the donor sorts
    it all out for you.

    I do wonder what the compliance level is -- I had a very hard time with recycling bins in the US that I shared with other people, because I wanted to pull everything out, rinse jars, throw away half of it, and break down boxes.

    Having more separation decreases the amount of recyclable items that are recycled, but increases the amount that's unusable.

    It's a hard problem, and we haven't even begun talking about things like electronics or larger items.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 13:12:09
    How did you manage to convince the folks at that border that
    you weren't smuggling in some spy-devices? LOL

    I've wondered that occasionally, too. :)

    Though, who knows? Maybe they hear, "she's entering the country to be a developer", and figure that I'll be able to give a technobabble
    explanation even if I'm smuggling in some spy devices.

    Though, that said, I'm not sure if spy devices are illegal to bring in,
    anyway. I mean, if you can already order it from Amazon...

    I travelled with a computer from Canada to USA with a special
    computer in the backseat. I was help up at the border and
    grilled with all kinds of questions about that thing.

    Huh. Weird. I think I've barely been questioned in the three times I've gone
    to Europe.

    Going to the US... Ugh, the first time I came back to the US gave me a solid base to dislike the country, or at least the TSA/Customs/border control bits
    of it.

    The second time, it was straight up, "Oh, studying abroad for a year is
    pretty cool. Welcome back to the US.".

    Though now I have Global Entry, which is what people pay for so that they can be treated the way everyone should be treated. Though I've only used it for
    TSA PreCheck, which is great -- you get to just put your stuff on the
    conveyor belt, walk through a metal detector, and be done.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Adept on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 07:17:06
    Though now I have Global Entry, which is what people pay for so that
    they can be treated the way everyone should be treated. Though I've only used it for TSA PreCheck, which is great -- you get to just put your
    stuff on the conveyor belt, walk through a metal detector, and be done.

    I hear you on that one - are you old enough to have experienced the 90s.. or
    at least before 9/11? I swear I could get dropped off 10 minutes before the flight.. mosey on up to the ticket counter to make sure I checked a bag, that had to be loaded, and walk to the gate - the plane would wait the extra 2 minutes if needed and you could get on the plane with only talking to one airline person. Maybe 2, depending on the checked bag bit.

    You could certainly make flights a half our early or [gasp] 45 minutes.

    :P Times certainly have changed...
    Although, I bet customs has always been a thing. I haven't had to expereince that a lot - just vacations here and there.. were once we all razzed the
    muscle head guy on our sales team as they wanted to extra-screen him in a private room. :P Telling the officers to check the secret pockets; the meat-head was pissy about that whole ordeal.

    Lol.



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  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Adept on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 09:49:47

    Having more separation decreases the amount of recyclable items that are recycled, but increases the amount that's unusable.

    It all depends I've worked in recycle plants on a sorting line separating it all out.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Charles Pierson on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 22:48:51
    Having more separation decreases the amount of recyclable items that a recycled, but increases the amount that's unusable.

    It all depends I've worked in recycle plants on a sorting line
    separating it all out.

    I imagine your experience is invaluable on facts in this conversation, but
    I'm not really following here -- I was thinking about total quantity of items put in recycle bins before/after switching to/from a single-stream system,
    and I thought the data was pretty conclusive that it increased the amount of recycling.

    And the "increases the amount that's unusable" bit was about things like
    glass breaking, non-empty jars getting their contents over the paper
    products, etc.

    Though I guess "unusable" has changed over time, so maybe that's the "it depends" part?

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  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Adept on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 18:32:34

    Having more separation decreases the amount of recyclable items that
    a A> recycled, but increases the amount that's unusable.

    It all depends I've worked in recycle plants on a sorting line
    separating it all out.

    I imagine your experience is invaluable on facts in this conversation, but I'm not really following here -- I was thinking about total quantity of items put in recycle bins before/after switching to/from a single-stream system, and I thought the data was pretty conclusive that it increased the amount of recycling.

    That I have no idea about. Everywhere around me that has recycle programs that I've seen for the general consumer household uses a single tote or bin. There are some large collection bins in some areas people cam bring things to, but that's kind of haphazard in use.

    And the "increases the amount that's unusable" bit was about things like glass breaking, non-empty jars getting their contents over the paper products, etc.

    Why would that affect anything? Glass gets broken and ground up for reuse, paper is washed and repulped. Metals are melted down.

    Though I guess "unusable" has changed over time, so maybe that's the "it depends" part?

    I don't know all of the details, and I'm sure that there are some things out there which could potentially make something unusable. For example, i wouldn't
    want to necessarily put the paper I put down for the pups to use the restroom on in the recycle. Although I might put it in the compost.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Charles Pierson on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 09:42:12
    Why would that affect anything? Glass gets broken and ground up for reuse, paper is washed and repulped. Metals are melted down.

    I was thinking along the lines of how I've often read about how you should
    only recycle the unsoiled bits of a pizza box. If there's grease on it, it
    goes in the compost.

    Glass is interesting, mostly because the US has really low rates in
    comparison to the EU, due to a variety of issues, including sorting, transportation, difficulty finding a local market, and equipment that can't
    do various things (like separate broken glass from whatever it's embedded in.

    At least that's what I'm reading, as I attempt to do research. It does seem that much of the guidelines change significantly, based on jurisdiction.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 07:14:00
    Adept wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    I imagine your experience is invaluable on facts in this conversation,
    but I'm not really following here -- I was thinking about total
    quantity of items put in recycle bins before/after switching to/from a single-stream system, and I thought the data was pretty conclusive that
    it increased the amount of recycling.

    Recology in the SF Bay Area could pull potentially recyclable items
    out of the trash during sorting, and they claimed some high
    percentage of "reclaimed recyclables" on top of the recyclables in
    separate cans.

    My local recycler pales in comparison. Instead of upgrading their
    facilities, they're spending money on a marketing campaign urging
    people to wash and dry their recyclables.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 07:26:00
    paulie420 wrote to Adept <=-

    I hear you on that one - are you old enough to have experienced the
    90s.. or at least before 9/11? I swear I could get dropped off 10
    minutes before the flight.. mosey on up to the ticket counter to make
    sure I checked a bag, that had to be loaded, and walk to the gate - the plane would wait the extra 2 minutes if needed and you could get on the plane with only talking to one airline person. Maybe 2, depending on
    the checked bag bit.

    You could certainly make flights a half our early or [gasp] 45 minutes.

    I consulted from 1999 to 2004, and had a client in San Diego. I lived
    in Oakland at the time, about 20 minutes from the airport. Oakland
    airport is small enough that you could walk from long-term parking to
    the terminal. During the week, the lines for security were short, and
    you could go from ticket counter to gate in about 30 minutes.

    If you missed your flight, Southwest had another one every hour and a
    half.

    I haven't traveled like that since 2000, and I don't think I'd want
    to travel for business these days.



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