Do you think your life is similar to the book of JOB?
4. Not Religious
Do you think your life is similar to the book of JOB?
2. No
4. Not Religious
that faith really serve? Everything he owned and cared about was taken from him essentially over a bet between God and Satan, and none of it
was restored after the wager was concluded. Why have faith in
My understanding is that it _was_ restored (and obviously there's little to no value to women and children, because it's not like they brought
them back to life), but only in some versions.
But, that said, I think that the point of Job is that faith is
difficult, and oftentimes there isn't any Earthly reward.
Which I'm _way_ more fond of than the stupid prosperity gospel claptrap.
...and I realize we're possibly full-on grasping 3rd rail items here, so here's to hoping that we can discuss religion with more dignity than
we've discussed politics at times.
My understanding is that it _was_ restored (and obviously there's little
to no value to women and children, because it's not like they brought them back to life), but only in some versions.
Then what is the point of having faith if there's nothing in it for the faithful? It seems like kind of a one-sided deal, don't you think? Job wasn't promised an afterlife, nor were any of his family or slaves that were killed, because that wasn't a thing back then. And if Job had renounced his faith at the very beginning, he would almost certainly have been better off for it, because the more he clung to his faith the more he lost. His faith gained him nothing.
more he lost. His faith gained him nothing.
Well, yes, same here, but I'm also not fond of the glorification of suffering because somehow it's always the suffering of others that gets glorified. Weird, that.
My understanding is that it _was_ restored (and obviously there's litt to no value to women and children, because it's not like they brought back to life), but only in some versions.Back to life? Where do you read that?
On 08-29-20 07:03, The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Do you think your life is similar to the book of JOB?
Hello Jeff!
** On Saturday 29.08.20 - 15:14, Jeff wrote to Adept:
Then what is the point of having faith if there's nothing in it for the
faithful? It seems like kind of a one-sided deal, don't you think? Job
wasn't promised an afterlife, nor were any of his family or slaves that
were killed, because that wasn't a thing back then. And if Job had
renounced his faith at the very beginning, he would almost certainly have
been better off for it, because the more he clung to his faith the more he
lost. His faith gained him nothing.
There is no word for faith in the OT. People of the OT lived by the promises of God.
In the story of Job, Satan caused the infliction of suffering.
I'm more spiritual than religious.
As for reflection, I think Job is a terrible story with a terrible
moral. People talk about having "the faith of Job," but what purpose did that faith really serve? Everything he owned and cared about was taken from him essentially over a bet between God and Satan, and none of it
was restored after the wager was concluded. Why have faith in
(if you're gonna allow religious posts here you may as well allow political too...)
(if you're gonna allow religious posts here you may as well allow
political too...)
Yeah, while I posted a couple of responses, I'm a bit wary on the
topic. If
it even starts to get heated, I'll be out.
I can talk about the terrible air quality due to half the state
burning,
instead.
And, hey, numbers on COVID are looking better in some areas of the US. E.g.,
the per-person infection rate in northern California seems to be approaching
0.9. Now, if only I had any confidence that the number would _stay_
that low.
.. but I have zero patience and empathy for those who despite having beinggiven all the neccessary knowledge still exposes themselves and others with the
Can we please lighten the the subjects and stick to the reason we are
all here
Can we please lighten the the subjects and stick to the reason we are
all here
to avoid politics and collectively enjoy a hobby most have
us have for over 20 years?
I personally am a Christian, and while maybe not the best of one, this
entire subject make me bypass FSXnet messages all together.
Is there a specific reason why we are all here? This is the general sub and we all talk about things that are on our mind.
I think politics and religion are best suited to their own areas and I stick to a politics area when I talk politics because there is a risk of the chat becoming heated for some folks and I don't want that to happen in a general sub.
There is a political and spiritual aspect to life that we all express sometimes. You don't need to pick up every topic if you'd rather not, but I think it's OK for folks to talk about what's on their minds.
Given the time I read almost everything but only reply to topics when I have something to say about it.
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Why are you ignoring my emails for, Al?
Can we please lighten the the subjects and stick to the reason we are
all here -- to avoid politics and collectively enjoy a hobby most have
us have for over 20 years? I personally am a Christian, and while
maybe not the best of one, this entire subject make me bypass FSXnet messages all together.
-tG
Numbers have started to climb again here in Europe. Serves the idiots right who hanged out at crowded beaches and clubs all summer long.
I'm sorry for being so blunt but I have zero patience and empathy for those who despite having being given all neccessary knowledge still exposes themselves and others with the notion that "nah, it'll be
your request, and posters should not be posting and discussing heavy religion politics.
It's unfortunate, though I guess I've also heard that it's mostly younger people who are getting it, these days, so hopefully that means that we can keep the numbers down if people behave moderately responsibly.
I do look forward to some day going to events, indoor activities, and so on. And maybe meeting people, but, eh, who knows if I'll manage to be sociable? :)
But, man, Spain's numbers... It really does look like a second wave, as opposed to the US numbers, which never went down enough to stop looking like a first wave.
On 08-30-20 05:14, Fang-Castro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm more spiritual than religious.
Do you have any magic rocks/crystals?
Numbers have started to climb again here in Europe. Serves the idiots
right who hanged out at crowded beaches and clubs all summer long.
I think Germany is doing okay, still? I'm certainly hoping that, since
I'll
be there in about 10 days.
But, man, Spain's numbers... It really does look like a second wave,
as
opposed to the US numbers, which never went down enough to stop
looking like
a first wave.
I'm sorry for being so blunt but I have zero patience and empathy for
those who despite having being given all neccessary knowledge still
exposes themselves and others with the notion that "nah, it'll be
It's unfortunate, though I guess I've also heard that it's mostly
younger
people who are getting it, these days, so hopefully that means that we
can
keep the numbers down if people behave moderately responsibly.
I do look forward to some day going to events, indoor activities, and
so on.
And maybe meeting people, but, eh, who knows if I'll manage to be
sociable? :)
your request, and posters should not be posting and discussing heavy religion politics.
My apologies to anyone I bothered - I had internalized the rule..
My apologies to anyone I bothered - I had internalized the rule as "no politics", and was set to leave the religion bits if it was at all heated
My apologies to anyone I bothered - I had internalized the rule as "no
But, man, Spain's numbers... It really does look like a second wave, asGlad you noticed us.
If you saw the expert health comittee they have for making decisions
you'd know why we are having a second wave.
I think this lot was actually started by Mr mullionaire... enquiring
about everyones persuasion..
couple of times, mostly because I've been working down the local
Take 2.... given your surname.... I'm sure somehow it doesn't rhyme with rhinocerous.... I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate your
religious background is some kind of "orthodox"..
I sent you a reply in netmail. ;)
My apologies to anyone I bothered - I had internalized the rule as "no politics", and was set to leave the religion bits if it was at all
There is no word for faith in the OT. People of the OT lived by the promises of God.
In the story of Job, Satan caused the infliction of suffering.With the full knowledge and permission of God, of course.
That said, old-testament God was a piece of work (a "vengeful god").Definitely true. There seems to have been very little value placed on individual lives, whereas the survival (and faith/morality) of the "tribe" was paramount.
Don't like how people are acting? Kill them all. Find out people are
doing various hedonist things (or maybe just being gay or having sex without intent of pregnancy)? Kill everyone in the city and murder
anyone who looks back.
So I certainly follow your reasoning with Job -- but I do think itI can see that. I always kind of thought that it was somehow intended to
largely boils doing to believing in the correct things, and behaving morally even when there's tremendous reason to do otherwise.
Actually, at the end of the book of Job, he got back more than what he
had before.
Job 42:10
And the Lord restored Jobs losses when he prayed for his friends.
Indeed the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.
Yeah, while I posted a couple of responses, I'm a bit wary on the topic. If it even starts to get heated, I'll be out.
There is a political and spiritual aspect to life that we all express sometimes. You don't need to pick up every topic if you'd rather not,
but I think it's OK for folks to talk about what's on their minds.
My apologies to anyone I bothered - I had internalized the rule as "no Since it's not a sore point for me, I don't tend to get heated over it,
Same here, I don't think we got anywhere near a boiling point, nor do I think either of us intended to, but apparently there was some damage done somewhere. I appreciated our conversation, but I apologize as well.
On 30 Aug 2020, Al said the following...
There is a political and spiritual aspect to life that we all express sometimes. You don't need to pick up every topic if you'd rather not, but I think it's OK for folks to talk about what's on their minds.
In addition to this, way too many things of great concern to us all have become "political," almost as a way to squelch conversation on the topic. I don't subscribe to that. Climate change is what it is. Our response to it is what is political. COVID-19 is what it is; the death rates are what they are Our response to it is what is political. Some people tend to confuse these things.
Jeff.
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Hah! My last name was a chosen one -- I have a family of sorts, where there's now 8 of us with that last name, and none of us are bio
related.
My religious upbringing was Protestant/United Methodist.
I think the net really wants to discourage disruptive topics that incite a heated debate that can leave some feeling stepped on.
I didn't see anything like that.. so.. :)
The issue is that "is what it is" may come across as a political declaration.
I personally am a Christian, and while
maybe not the best of one, this entire subject make me bypass FSXnet messages all together.
Ponder that puts a whole new spin on things... So after further looking about it appears it probably is rhyming with rhinocerous and you're a family of unicorns from the stars? I originally expected it to break at mono-ceros like most greek names I've come across.
I'm not arguing for discussing religion and politics on fsxNet, or at least the general echo, but that's a particularly odd thing to say in context of the Great Commission.
On 30 Aug 2020, The Godfather said the following...
I personally am a Christian, and while
maybe not the best of one, this entire subject make me bypass FSXnet
messages all together.
I'm not arguing for discussing religion and politics on fsxNet, or at
least the general echo, but that's a particularly odd thing to say in context of the Great Commission.
But the original post, asking if our lives compared to Job's,
was quite benign and not "religious" or a debate, IMHO. It
would be no different if someone asked if our lives compare to
Bugs Bunny in any way. <g>
Nevertheless, there are plenty of other options to continue the
original conversation on another net if that is more
desireable.
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